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== Reference for Parkinson as birth name == |
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== picture == |
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It seems that Jerry has tweeted that this is true. Is it OK to add a reference to this tweet? Does it meet ]? ] (]) 06:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC) |
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this picture looks quite old. can anyone get one from PAX or something? --] 02:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Removing unsourced names and birthday == |
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None of the citations in this article give Jerry Holkins actual first name as "Keith". They also do not say that his middle name is "Gerald" or that Jerry is short for Gerald. Also, none of them gave his birthday. I also couldn't find any of that stated elsewhere, except in websites that scrape Misplaced Pages and a few other wikis that look like they've copied this article. |
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As this is a biography of a living person, all information must be sourced. Therefore I've removed all the above statements from the article. If anyone knows of a source of any sort, please add it in, but otherwise, don't add it back. |
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== Parentage == |
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"Additionally, his grandmother is a horse. His grandfather is two horses." |
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Do I even have to ask about this? --] 18:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:I still prefer Kendrick7's first revision: "He has indicated that his grandmother was a horse, citing Misplaced Pages." ] 18:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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I've kept the statement that his original last name was Parkinson. This is supported by two sources, though both are primary sources and so I've made the language clear of this. ] (]) 01:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::Humorous, sort of, but not a good edit to keep. --] 19:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Certain references to their children == |
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== Equine relatives == |
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Recently, one of their children was revealed to no longer identify as their birth gender. As pointed out by @], according to and ] the only citation that can be provided is of one that is from the person themselves, not a parent of the person. But, as @] has pointed out, it seems wrong to leave a person's deadname in the article. @] further pointed out that ] would suggest removing the names of their children entirely. Discussion as to what the appropriate thing to do is necessary. ] (]) 20:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Is the bit about his grandmother being a horse going to be left in? It's noted by the man himself in today's post (Sept. 11th, 2006 http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/09/11). |
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(EDIT: Never mind, I'm slow at tea time.) |
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:No. Whether or not content helps someone else's jokes is not a criterion for content here. Though frankly it would allow many strange possibilities if it were so. ;-) --] 19:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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He doesn't seem to mind. Check the news post for September 11, 2006. |
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I think it would be best to just put in somewhere that he states that his grandmother was a horse, but evidence is yet to be brought forward. That way, we can leave in the whole horse bit and bring some of his humor into the article, with out worring about the accuracy to the Wiki. |
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The only evidence presented to date is that his grandmother -is- infact a horse. He himself is the only source available on the matter, unless you manage to seek out any other woman claiming to have sired his parentage. And chances are that would be considered ''Stalkery''. |
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:Actually, I think that would be Original Research, and well, ]. ] 15:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Listen, sometimes this shit happens. If he says his grandmother is a horse, whose to contradict him? The chain of events that led to his heritage is beyond our control. ] 16:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Pretentious? == |
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Is there a source for calling Holkins' writing pretentious? Since this was added on the same day PA linked the article, and pretentious is a pejorative in most cases, I'm suggesting it be removed, but thought I should ask for consensus first. |
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-Being a long-time reader of penny-arcade, I think "pretentious" is a completely accurate word to describe his entries. ~random person |
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--I don't think his writing is pretentious, but "pretentious" is a big and fancy word and Tycho frequently uses big and fancy words. Therefore, the word describes his writing style by example instead of by definition and it should be left in. ] 20:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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---The preceding comment makes no logical sense. Yes, Tycho uses “big and fancy” words, but that does not mean that any “big and fancy” words automatically describe his writing style, by example or any other way. If you were to describe his writing style as “obfuscatory,” you would be incorrect, even though that word is suitably big and reasonably fancy. His writing style should be described by the appropriate words; their length is irrelevant. ] 21:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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---This isn't the time or place for logical sense. ] 23:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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I think the definition of "pretentious" being used there is "Uses words that are longer than I (the editor) am comfortable with". "Jerry writes in a verbose style, and frequently inserts wordplay into his posts." is a fact. The next sentence is just some guys opinion about verbosity, and contributes nothing to the article. |
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--Pretentious means "unwarranted claim to importance or distinction" or "ostentatious; intended to impress others" (at least according to or own Wiktionary). Thus, I would say that his writing style is indeed pretentious by both of those definitions. This doesn't mean that the author himself is pretentious- but Tycho, his alter-ego, definitly is, and he writes from Tycho's perspective. ] 14:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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I think "baroque" would be a better adjective. ] 14:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== For Tycho, Not Jerry == |
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It seems odd that people keep adding references to Jerry Holkins having a horse for a grandmother (which is obviously impossible and the reason for its continued removal). The post frequently referenced (at http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/09/11) is posted by Jerry under the comic character "Tycho": "As is reflected in my Misplaced Pages entry, my Grandmother is a horse - so these revelations hit close to home, or barn." One would assume that it would be more accurrate to edit the entry to include this reference under the section heading "Comic Character". |
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:Ah, but he links to this artcle, which is about him, not his character. -- ] 20:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Impossible? ...or merely un-<i>thinkable</i>! ] 20:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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No,if he had wanted to say that his characters grandmother was a horse he would have linked to the penny arcade article.As it is right now the link directs you to his bio page,indicaing it is <b>IN FACT</b> him who is the horseboy |
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== ] == |
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'''Updated''' Is there enough evidence to say he was the orginal vandal? The original edit occured shortly before the blog/comic was published, and was reverted within 6 minutes, so the chances that someone else did this, about what just happened to be the topic of today's comic, and Tyco just happened to see it, is very slim. It's an interesting real-life version of how Skeletor was vandalizing He-Man's entry as portrayed in their comic last year. I've updated the trivia section to portray such reasonable suspicion, and to better categorize the links. -- ] 22:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:Actually, I should mention only the part about the horse was immediately reverted. The part about his birthname being ], the famous RPG illustrator, hung-around for nearly 3 hours (actually, since the 5th, but I mean since some eyeballs started showing up). It's interesting that by making the more outrageous claim about his being part horse, the merely ludicrous claim stuck around for a quite while -- ] 23:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::Jerry's birthname really was Keith Parkinson. He adopted the surname Holkins upon his marriage. -- ] 7:47, 12 September 2006 (PDT) |
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== Praise of Misplaced Pages == |
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Has anyone actually read the source for the quote "At the same time, Jerry Holkins has often praised the accuracy of the Misplaced Pages."? It is a scathing critique of Misplaced Pages, with not a shred of praise for wikipedia's accuracy (outside, perhaps the He-Man and Pokemon entries). {{unsigned|142.165.117.96}} |
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:You'll actually notice that that was a recent edit; earlier today the quote said that Jerry has often <i>criticized</i> the accuracy of Misplaced Pages. Could we get someone who has a senior account to revert this please? -- ] 21:50, 11 September 2006 (PDT) |
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::Nevermind, it seems to have been fixed. -- ] 21:52, 11 September 2006 (PDT) |
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== Removed Misplaced Pages references == |
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I removed the "Trivia" section, which would have been more honestly termed the "Misplaced Pages" section. If you're considering restoring it, '''please read ] first'''. When I think of Tycho, Misplaced Pages is not the first thing to come to mind. |
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Consider this: would an article about ] include his criticism of Misplaced Pages in any other encyclopedia? If not, then it has no place here, either. Jerry's criticism of Misplaced Pages is simply not an important aspect of his online persona. If he makes criticism of Misplaced Pages a major crusade, like PAX or Child's Play, we can include it. Until then, it's pointless. --] 11:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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-----> The more information, the better. He has in fact criticized Misplaced Pages, so it should be included. Suffice it to say, other details about his life or online persona may be more relevant, but to exclude factual information with the pretense that other encyclopedias would not include such content is irrelevant at best and probably more along the lines of pathetic. Who are you or anyone else to censor and ultimately decide was is most relevant and what needs to be in place before such information was included. I.E. if Jerry’s biography was more complete, say spanning several pages, then his views on Misplaced Pages may become more accepted for the article. Given that scenario, they should be included now. |
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None of the citations in this article give Jerry Holkins actual first name as "Keith". They also do not say that his middle name is "Gerald" or that Jerry is short for Gerald. Also, none of them gave his birthday. I also couldn't find any of that stated elsewhere, except in websites that scrape Misplaced Pages and a few other wikis that look like they've copied this article.
As this is a biography of a living person, all information must be sourced. Therefore I've removed all the above statements from the article. If anyone knows of a source of any sort, please add it in, but otherwise, don't add it back.
I've kept the statement that his original last name was Parkinson. This is supported by two sources, though both are primary sources and so I've made the language clear of this. HenryCrun15 (talk) 01:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Recently, one of their children was revealed to no longer identify as their birth gender. As pointed out by @CodeTalker, according to and WP:TWITTER the only citation that can be provided is of one that is from the person themselves, not a parent of the person. But, as @Scorpions13256 has pointed out, it seems wrong to leave a person's deadname in the article. @CodeTalker further pointed out that WP:BLPNAME would suggest removing the names of their children entirely. Discussion as to what the appropriate thing to do is necessary. aaronneallucas (talk) 20:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
