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'''Speedy renaming''' or '''speedy merging''' of categories may be requested <em>only</em> if they meet a ''']''', for example ] (consistency with main article's name) or ] (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below. | |||
# '''Determine''' which '''speedy criterion''' applies | |||
Categories may be listed for '''speedy renaming''' or '''speedy merging''' if they meet one or more of the criteria specified below. They '''must be tagged''' with {{tlsx|cfr-speedy|''New name''}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. A request may be processed '''48 hours''' after it was listed if there are no objections. This delay allows other editors to review the request to ensure that it meets the criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change. | |||
# '''Tag category page''' with {{tlsx|cfr-speedy|''New name''}} or {{tlsx|cfm-speedy|''Merge target''}} | |||
# '''List request''' along with ] reason under "]" below on this page | |||
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at ]. | |||
Categories that qualify for speedy ''deletion'' (per ], e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation", categories that have been empty for seven days) can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{tlx|db|reason}}, and no delay is required to process these. Renaming under ] can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on ]. | |||
Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change. | |||
Contested requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed, after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{tlx|moved discussion from|<nowiki>]|2=~~~~</nowiki>}}. If the nominator wants to continue the process, they need to submit the request as a regular CfD in accordance with <noinclude>]</noinclude><includeonly>the instructions here</includeonly>. | |||
Categories that qualify for '''speedy deletion''' (per ], e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{tlx|db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{tl|db-empty}}. Renaming under ] may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on ]. | |||
=== Speedy criteria === | |||
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination: | |||
*'''Oppose''', (the reasons for your objection). <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> | |||
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section ] or the page ] (]). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search ] to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy. | |||
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{tlx|moved discussion from|<nowiki>]|2=~~~~</nowiki>}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at ] (CfD) in accordance with ]. | |||
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who . If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion. | |||
===Speedy criteria=== | |||
{{shortcut|WP:C2}} | |||
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are <strong style="font-style:italic;">strictly</strong> limited to: | |||
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are '''''strictly''''' limited to: | |||
{{Anchor|C2A|c2a}} | {{Anchor|C2A|c2a}} | ||
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====C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes==== | ||
{{Shortcut|WP:C2A}} | {{Shortcut|WP:C2A}} | ||
* Correction of spelling errors and ]. Differences between ] (e.g. ''Harbours → Harbors'') are |
* Correction of spelling errors and ]. Differences between ] (e.g. ''Harbours → Harbors'') are <strong>not</strong> considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under ]. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged. | ||
* Appropriate conversion of hyphens into ] or ] (e.g. ''Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations''). | * Appropriate conversion of hyphens into ] or ] (e.g. ''Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations''). | ||
*Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing ] (e.g. ''Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads''). This includes ]izing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a ]. | |||
{{Anchor|C2B|c2b}} | {{Anchor|C2B|c2b}} | ||
==== C2B. Enforcing established Misplaced Pages naming conventions and practices.==== | |||
====C2B: Consistency with established Misplaced Pages naming conventions and practices==== | |||
{{Shortcut|WP:C2B}} | {{Shortcut|WP:C2B}} | ||
* ] (e.g. ''U.S. → United States''). | * ] (e.g. ''U.S. → United States''). | ||
* ] fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. ''Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state)'' or ''Category:Washington, D.C.''). | * ] fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. ''Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state)'' or ''Category:Washington, D.C.''). | ||
{{Anchor|C2C|c2c}} | {{Anchor|C2C|c2c}} | ||
==== C2C. Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "''x by y''", "''x of y''", or "''x in y''" categorization conventions specified at ]. ==== | |||
====C2C: Consistency with established category tree names==== | |||
{{Shortcut|WP:C2C}} | {{Shortcut|WP:C2C}} | ||
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "''x by y''", "''x of y''", or "''x in y''" categorization conventions specified at ] | |||
* This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory. | * This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory. | ||
* This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination. | * This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination. | ||
* This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. '']'' and '']''). | * This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. '']'' and '']''). | ||
{{Anchor|C2D|c2d}} | {{Anchor|C2D|c2d}} | ||
====C2D. Facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related page's name.==== | |||
====C2D: Consistency with main article's name==== | |||
{{Shortcut|WP:C2D}} | {{Shortcut|WP:C2D}} | ||
* Renaming a ] to match its eponymous page (e.g. ] and ]). | * Renaming a ] to match its eponymous page (e.g. ] and ]). | ||
* This applies |
* This applies <strong style="font-style:italic;">only</strong> if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is: | ||
**<em style="font-style:normal;text-decoration:underline;">unambiguous</em> (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the ] of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and | |||
* This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a '''no consensus''' result. | |||
**<em style="font-style:normal;text-decoration:underline;">uncontroversial</em>, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at ], or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a '''no consensus''' result, or it is controversial in some other way. | |||
*This criterion may also be used to rename a ] in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district. | |||
* Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category. | |||
{{Anchor|C2E|c2e}} | {{Anchor|C2E|c2e}} | ||
====C2E |
====C2E: Author request==== | ||
{{Shortcut|WP:C2E}} | {{Shortcut|WP:C2E}} | ||
*This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category. | *This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category. | ||
*The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming. | *The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming. | ||
====C2F: One eponymous page==== | |||
{{Shortcut|WP:C2F}} | |||
* This criterion applies if the category contains ''only'' an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{tlsx|cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at ], you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them. | |||
===Admin instructions=== | |||
When handling the listings: | |||
# Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria. | |||
# With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously. | |||
# Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition. | |||
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at ], in the section "If the decision is to '''Rename''', '''Merge''', or '''Delete'''"; to list it for the bots, use the ]. | |||
====Applying speedy criteria in full discussions==== | |||
* A nomination to '''merge''' or '''rename''', brought forward as a full ], may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that: | * A nomination to '''merge''' or '''rename''', brought forward as a full ], may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that: | ||
** The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, | ** The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and | ||
** |
** No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination. | ||
* If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus. | |||
* If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus. | |||
{{Anchor|Add requests for speedy renaming here}} | {{Anchor|Add requests for speedy renaming here}} | ||
==Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here== | |||
''If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, {{em|do not list it here}}. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.'' | |||
'''If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, |
'''If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, {{em|do not list it here}}.''' | ||
Use the following format on a new line at the |
Use the following format on a new line at the {{strong|beginning}} of the list: <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">* ] to ] – Reason ~~~~</syntaxhighlight> | ||
If the current name ] rather than deleted, use: <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">* REDIRECT ] to ] – Reason ~~~~</syntaxhighlight> | |||
'''Remember to tag the category with:''' <code>{{tlsp|Cfr-speedy|''New name''}}</code> | |||
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use: | |||
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">* NO BOTS ] to ] – Reason ~~~~</syntaxhighlight> | |||
{{strong|Remember to tag the category page with:}} {{tlsx|cfr-speedy|''New name''}} | |||
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than {{#time:H:i, j F Y "(UTC)"| -48 hours}}. Currently, there are '''{{PAGESINCATEGORY:Categories for speedy renaming}}''' open requests {{smaller|({{Purge|refresh}})}}. | A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than {{#time:H:i, j F Y "(UTC)"| -48 hours}}. Currently, there are '''{{PAGESINCATEGORY:Categories for speedy renaming}}''' open requests {{smaller|({{Purge|refresh}})}}. | ||
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===Current requests=== | |||
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D). | |||
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* ] to ] – C2D per move of main article ] ] (]) 20:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
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* ] to ] – C2C. The tree is rooted at ] ] (]) 20:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
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* ] to ] – C2D: He is ] <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">] ] </span> 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
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* REDIRECT ] to ] – My mistake, sorry. I have created a duplicate. ] (]) 17:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
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– C2D: both Universities have been renamed. | |||
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Rename for consistency with ] & ].–]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> ] 13:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes (two subcategories and two templates). Rename for consistency with ]. —] (]) 11:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2C: all the other categories are Foreign nationals imprisoned in FOO ] 20:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2D: per ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 06:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
===Opposed requests=== | |||
* ] '''merge''' to ] per C2C (see ]) ] (]) 11:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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* ] '''merge''' to ], since article ] is listed as the main article of ]. ] (]) 09:39, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] – C2A: More specific phrasing to communicate the premise of the category. ] (]) 1:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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*: I do not think this satisfies any speedy criteria.--] (]) 06:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] – C2C within ]. – ] '''<font color="#FF0000">]</font>'''] 08:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
*:Definitely not a criteria under "C2A", or any speedy for that matter. ] 11:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
* ] upmerge to ] per C2C ] (]) 01:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC) (A small category with church buildings from several countries, and (more importantly) not part of a category tree for Evangelical or reformed (Reformed?) church buildings. | |||
**'''Oppose''': I have added it into ]. This category is the result of an undiscussed out-of-process move by {{user|ServB1}} last September, from ]. I see that he also moved the parent ] to ] and emptied it; and made some edits to ] which I am not sure are helpful. Anyway, this one may as well be retained but '''renamed''' to ] (see usage in e.g. the article ]). – ] '''<font color="#FF0000">]</font>'''] 09:09, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Comment: the two Königsberg churches seem to be Lutheran (not Reformed) churches. The others, the Berlin Cathedral, Bad Homburg”, the “English Evangelical church in New York” and St Pauls in Kentucky are all described as “Evangelical” ] (]) 11:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
**'''For''':Hello, I agree with ]. Protestant churches would be a best category for Lutheran and Reformed churches. Thank you very much. --] (]) 23:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2C: per {{cat|People from Uttar Pradesh}} and it's other subcategories. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:26, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2A: ]; it's not about film actors (or comedians) that are silent, it's the films they appear in that are ]s. Tagging only the top two levels to begin with. ] (]) 12:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
====Opposed nominations==== | |||
*:'''Speedy oppose'''. I'm not sure this works under the wikipedia hypenation rules. Especially since we have ] as the parent category. ] 11:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Following my successful CFD nomination for "Populated waterside places" (the first entry at ]), which covered all child categories with "populated places" in the name, I was instructed to bring all affected categories here. Here's the list: | |||
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This is basically C2C, because CFD has established a new naming convention for the tree. However, it's not exactly a normal CFDS, since I just came here as a technically simple place to get the CFD result enforced; I don't think we ought to accept any objections. ] (]) 01:54, 8 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:*'''Oppose'''. The nominator ] is right: this is not C2C, because the de facto convention remains in place. These categories should have included in the full CFD discussion in December, so that all affected categories were tagged for the attention of readers. CFD/S is for upholding ''existing'' naming conventions, not to function as a backdoor for avoiding a CFD listing of 200 categories. These need a full discussion, and tagging all 200 categories for that full discussion will hopefully gather more participation than the single !vote at the previous discussion. --] <small>] • (])</small> 02:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:** {{ping|BrownHairedGirl}} Really? I thought that as RM on a topic page is sufficient authority for a C2D category move, so a CfD consensus at the top of a hierarchy is sufficient for C2C moves further down. I've processed many such cases listed here in the past, e.g. "visitor attractions" to "tourist attractions" (renaming of that hierarchy is ongoing). – ] '''<font color="#FF0000">]</font>'''] 22:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:***{{re|Fayenatic london}} I haven't seen that done before, and I certainly don't approve of it. It's not what CFD/S criteria say.<br />I was going to say that it doesn't even save any work, because it's just as easy to use AWB to tag the categs for full CFD as for speedy ... but then I checked {{u|Nyttend}}'s category recent contribs, and these categories don't appear. I checked a sample of the individual category pages, and found no speedy tags.<br />I dispute the right of a CFD closer to pronounce actions in respect of categories which were neither listed nor tagged in the nomination, but regardless of the merits of your close, {{u|Nyttend}} has gone way out-of-line here, and far exceeded your closing instructions, by ignoring CFD/S rules: untagged categories listed at CFD/S, objection ignored without comment, 48 hour CFD/S waiting period ignored by implementing the moves only 46 minutes after listing them, and by doing all this as a ] admin. See ] <small>()</small> for a defiantly hostile response to my request for a revert. <sad> --] <small>] • (])</small> 01:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:*"Populated coastal places" sounds much more idiomatic to me than "coastal populated places". I don't have a good explanation at hand for why, but it does. A more standard example of the same phenomenon would be that you would always talk about a "big red ball", never a "red big ball". According to , "coastal" should be very late in the adjective ordering, in the "nationality/origin" position. You might think that "populated" would be even later, in the "purpose" position, but my feeling is that it fits better into the catch-all "opinion" slot, which goes before all the other adjectives. —] (]) 02:30, 9 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::*{{re|David Eppstein}} I don't have a view on the substantive merits of the renaming, and this is not the place to discuss them. My objection here is procedural.<br />Firstly, that a CFD closer does not have the right to dictate the use of CFD/S to bypass a full CFD, and these categories do not meet CFD/S criterion C2C.<br />And secondly that no editor or admin seeking to use CFD/S even in that way has a right to ignore CFD/S rules by a) not tagging the categs; b) ignoring objections without acknowledgement; c) ignoring the 48-hour wait period by implementing the moves only 46 minutes after listing them; d) to do all that as a ] admin acting in respect of a CFD which they had themselves initiated. --] <small>] • (])</small> 03:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::*{{re|BrownHairedGirl|Nyttend}} I agree with most of what BrownHairedGirl has written here. Apologies for my part in setting this off. I would have given Nyttend more guidance on using CFDS if I had realised that he was unfamiliar with the process (being more active on Commons, I gather). Certainly the nominated category pages need to be tagged, and certainly they must wait 48 hours before processing. Moreover, if there is opposition on any grounds, then they should not be processed speedily, unless that opposition is withdrawn. | |||
::::It has become accepted practice to speedily rename subcats following a CFD, where the changes appear uncontroversial, citing C2C, even though that is not exactly within the criteria as currently written. Recent examples are , accepted by {{u|Timrollpickering}}, and , accepted by {{u|Od Mishehu}} (and by Timrollpickering). Now that this practice has been questioned, I suggest we need a discussion on changes to the criteria. | |||
::::As for the categories nominated here, now that speedy renaming has been opposed (both on procedure by BrownHairedGirl and on merits by {{u|David Eppstein}}), they need to go to a full CFD. I suggest that this should present "Option A" and "Option B", either to approve the nomination, or to reverse the Dec 8 CFD. – ] '''<font color="#FF0000">]</font>'''] 21:53, 9 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::*{{re|Fayenatic london}} thanks for that. I agree that a fresh CFD is the way forward, and your proposed option A/B format seems like the best way to do it, because it guarantees a consistent outcome for all the categs involved.<br />I know that you acted in the utmost good faith in suggesting a CFD/S followup (tho I think that doing so after a CFD with only 1 !vote was less wise), but since there is a disagreement on whether that is an appropriate way to proceed, may I suggest an RFC to resolve it? Then whatever the outcome of the RFC, this page's header can be updated to note the consensus on what is currently a grey area. (FWIW, my own view is that using CFD/S as a phase 2 of a full CFD impedes consensus-formation by depriving editors of notifications of the full discussion, and is also pointless because it saves no work -- all the tagging and listing still has to be done anyway. But let's see what an RFC concludes.)<br />As To ], I really don't think that you need take any responsibility for lack of hand-holding. Nyttend is an editor of ten years standing and an admin for nine years, so the community has every right to expect that when using an unfamiliar process they read the instructions and follow them, rather than pre-emptively dismissing both the instructions and the objections. The responsibility for that lies with Nyttend, not you. --] <small>] • (])</small> 11:56, 10 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::* '''Oppose''' – to my UK ear 'Populated coastal place' sounds better. I'm not quite sure why 'Populated place' should be thought to be a compound noun, as opposed to 'coastal place'. Nyttend's actions have been egregious. ] (]) 14:27, 12 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] – C2C: a few birds such as the Choiseul pigeon or the broad-billed parrot are contemporarily extinct ; the others are prehistoric ans should be moved to a relevant category (by renaming this one?) --] (]) 12:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] – C2B: per ]/{{cat|Constitutional conventions (political meeting)}}. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:* {{ping|Couiros22}} not sure that this fits speedy because ] is a valid category tree too. ] (]) 17:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*: Why the caps? ]] 00:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
*:: {{fixed}}. ] <sup>]</sup> 09:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Oppose'''. Sorry ], but while this does clearly fits C2B, it's also horribly ugly. I also doubt that it is really necessary. Nobody can be a member of a ], so the current title is unambiguous. I don't think we need let the guideline force us into such superfluous verbosity. --] <small>] • (])</small> 19:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
* East Timor to Timor-Leste – C2D: Per RM at ]. Same as below, but covering all categories that are not borders or bilateral relations. –] (]]) 03:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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**: '''Oppose speedy''' for the project-related category, as it's still called ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**:I need help tagging all of these; I accidentally interrupted the ] during tagging. –] (]]) 04:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:* '''Oppose''' renaming ] only, since this is pre-independence. ] (]) 14:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**:Added borders. –] (]]) 03:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**:'''Oppose the year categories'''. Any year category that dates before the country was known as "Timor-Leste" shouldn't be renamed. ] (]) 11:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**::Also '''oppose the WikiProject related categories''' as the project hasn't been renamed. ] (]) 11:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**:::Okay, so that means everything except "WikiProject East Timor" and pre-2002 year categories. –] (]]) 19:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Comment''' The problem with this and similar moves when countries change their names is twofold: as noted above, it is inappropriate for topics that date before the change, and it can become inconsistent with external sources. Thus, for example, the ] is used by many plant taxonomic databases to define the unit areas of plant distributions. It uses "East Timor", so we do at ]. This ensures the distribution categorization is consistent with sources used in the article. This isn't a knockdown argument against moving, but nominating so many categories of different kinds at once makes it difficult to consider them carefully. ] (]) 16:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:: In these cases, we need redirects.--] (]) 08:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*'''Note to closing admin''' If processing the project categories, please make sure all templates are changed before letting the bot loose on these. ] (]) 09:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:] was the name of a military unit. ] is for notable persons who belonged to that force. Neither of these articles was approved for speedy renaming. I have reverted the changes. ] ] 10:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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*: '''Oppose''' Main article is at ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*::] prefers countries to generic words as disambiguators, so if anything the article should be renamed in line with the category hierarchy.] (]) 13:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*::: ] is also in India. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*::::A Lok Sabha constituency could only be in India. There seems to be a general ability to cope with the city taking a geographical identifier and then derivatives not needing to be dabbed if there's an obvious primary topic - see eg ] and ] for a UK example, and it seems common with Indian districts. In this case if you look at ] dab page, we've got a major city in an English-speaking country with a population of 300k versus some villages in Iran and a military acronym. It's pretty obvious what geographical derivatives are attached to.] (]) 14:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*:::::Another way of looking at it is that the city is clearly the primary meaning of ], so there's no reason that it should not be name of the article for the city, even if it is not 100% unambiguous. This would be in line with the normal way that article names work. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*:::::: {{ping|Good Olfactory}}Feel free to make a ] for the city's article; otherwise, I se non reason to do this move. ] ] 03:51, 22 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*::::::: I was speaking neither in opposition nor in support of the nomination for the categories. I was commenting on the discussion related to the article name. It sounds to me like there might be some support for changing the article name back. Some reasons to perhaps not proceed in renaming the category immediately above, however, are (1) it has been formally opposed by another user, and (2) there are nominations on this same page, relating to the same city, which are proposing something different than what is being proposed for this one. It sounds to me like it all needs to go to a full category discussion, absent an RM on the article. ] <sup>]</sup> 04:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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*:'''oppose''' as per MOS:JOBTITLES ''They are capitalized only in the following cases: When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself'' the category is addressing the position in and of itself. This applies to all the other listed categories as well ]] 11:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*::The job titles are in plural, and we do not capitalize in such cases (see: "When a formal title for a specific entity... is not plural..."). Similar categories have also been moved to use lowercase based on this (e.g., ], categories under ], categories under ], and categories under ]; see also articles like ], ], etc.) ] (]) 17:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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**'''Oppose'''. Looking at ] there still is some uncertainty about the long-term name of the article. Also would not match the rest of the tree; we do not have ]. - ] <sub>]</sub> 03:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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**: '''Oppose''' – C2C supports 'based in' per ] (a format decided by cfd in 2006). ] (]) 00:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
**:: It was probably meant as C2C per the convention in {{cat|Educational organizations by country}}. ] <sup>]</sup> 08:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
**:: There are a much larger number of categories of the form "Educational institutions in Foo", "Educational institutions established ..." etc. I have no strong view either way, but I think there should be consistency.] (]) 16:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:* {{ping|Smasongarrison}} arguably the parent might be renamed to "in". ] (]) 18:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:*:Both parents? ] also uses of ] 18:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:*:* Right. There is ]. I guess "in" is technically more correct. ] (]) 19:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:*:*:Hmmm. That's a good point. I don't have strong opinions about which is used. Should we take this to full to see if someone does? ] 19:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] - To better summarise the contents as the family is wider than just direct relatives of ]. ] (]) 09:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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*:I do not think this is the speedy material. {{ping|OGBC1992}}, would you mind taking it to full CFD with literally the same justification? ] (]) 10:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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*::Hi @] I am not sure how to take something to CFD if you wouldn't mind assisting? Many thanks. ] (]) 11:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] - C2D ] ; also PRECISION, since there are many ''Delta Force'' series, including a famous Chuck Norris film series. -- ] (]) 05:28, 1 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
*: '''Oppose speedy''' ] doesn't exists, and thus C2D doesn't apply. Also ] isn't the main article of the category. ] <sup>]</sup> 07:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
*:: "Delta Force (video game series)" is consistent with ]. And the current name is not precise enough due to multiple series of "Delta Force"s, making this a confused category name. -- ] (]) 05:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
*:::Moved to ]. – ] '''<font color="#FF0000">]</font>'''] 20:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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:* '''Oppose all''' needs discussion. ] (]) 18:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::* What exactly is your problem, sir? The vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt). Also, "Museums of Ancient Near East" categories are missing the definite article regardless of your preferences ("Museums of the Ancient Near East" or "Museums of the ancient Near East").--] (]) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::*I'm fine with adding "the" - it's "ancient" that needs discussion. If it it is true that "the vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt)" this is only because of recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus. ] (]) 04:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::*So why don't you discuss it on ] instead? To begin with, there is not enough people in CFDs to discuss this matter. Also, what "capitalization fanatics" are you talking about? Are you aware that "Ancient Near East" was changed to "ancient Near East" in 2011 (])? Here's an excerpt: ''"According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"."'' Since 2011, nobody has talked about capitalization on Talk:Ancient Near East. | |||
:::::Except Category:Novels set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Films set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Sculpture of the Ancient Near East, other categories with no definite article should be renamed in any case. I suggest to stick to "ancient Near East" at first because it's more widespread inspite of your claim about "a handful of capitalization fanatics" (you provided no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and is under discussion). Personally, I don't care whether it is "ancient Near East" or "Ancient Near East", but the current consensus is apparently the former and let's stick to it.--] (]) 20:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Most category and article page names do use lowercase "ancient" in phrases like "ancient Rome" and "ancient Greece" (excluding language designations). See usage throughout the ] page, ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ] for examples. I believe we should aim for consistency in article and category names. Many of these pages and categories have had these names for quite some time and were not moved recently. If you would like to use uppercase in phrases like "Ancient Greece", why not propose this at the talk pages of the main pages? ] (]) 06:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:* {{ping|Russian Rocky}} are you planning to move this to full discussion? ] (]) 06:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::* Yes, please. Unfortunately, I can't figure out myself what Johnbod's problem is. He claimed that the vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" because of "recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus", but there is no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and/or is under discussion. I agree with ] on ] who said the following: ''"According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"."'' | |||
::* See ''The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies'' (Appendix A: Capitalization and Spelling Examples) at the Internet Archive: .--] (]) 08:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2C: parent is People whose existence is disputed ] 06:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*: '''Oppose speedy''' There are fare more subcategories of {{cat|People whose existence is disputed}} that use "Possibly fictional" than "whose existence is disputed", and therefore it's not a clear convention to apply C2C. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*::Those are all being renamed to match this parent. ] ] 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*::: In that case we should wait until that is concluded and if it does then we can process this. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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*:'''Oppose''' ambiguous with ], see ]. ''']''' (]) 18:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Postpone''' until we know the result of the proposed move of ]. ]...''<small>]</small>'' 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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* ] to ] – C2A. I have already modified the category in the articles ] and ] to the new name. --] (]) 07:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::] is an empty category so it could have just been tagged for CSD C1 or moved without going through CFD. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 08:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::It became empty after the nominator moved the two entries to the proposed target. I will now move them back and will move the category in 48h provided no objections have been raised against speedy move. ] (]) 08:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::* Moved to ]. ] (]) 17:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
* ] to ] – C2C: parent is Russian military personnel killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War ] 14:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**] I would suggest a full discussion for both categories as the war in Donbas involved Pro-Russian military units rather than only Russian military units and the members of the category are almost all Pro-Russian Ukrainians. ] is a parent of ] and a grandparent of ]. ] (]) 17:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**:Why is ] a parent of ]? Pro-russian is a cause not a nationality. ] 19:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**::Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas contains Russians and Ukrainians so it is not really a nationality category. ] (]) 19:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**:::If that's the case, then the category should either be renamed to Pro-Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas or purged to only include russian nationals. I personally don't care which way it goes, but the naming isn't consistent. Can you take it to full? ] 19:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
**::::Done at ]. ] (]) 20:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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*: '''Oppose speedy''' The main article is ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 06:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:* Brought up for ].--] (]) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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** '''Oppose for speedy''', we should discuss whether ] is perhaps a better target. ] (]) 18:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*** Agreed and brought up for ].--] (]) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
ShortcutThe category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
Shortcut- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Misplaced Pages naming conventions and practices
Shortcut- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
ShortcutBringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Misplaced Pages:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
Shortcut- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
Shortcut- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
Shortcut- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at WP:CFDS, you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them.
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* ] to ] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT ] to ] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS ] to ] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 161 open requests (refresh).
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Twenty20 Blaze to Category:Women's Twenty20 Blaze – C2D per move of main article Women's Twenty20 Blaze Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Professional wrestling shows in Chicago, Illinois to Category:Professional wrestling shows in Chicago – C2C. The tree is rooted at Category:Chicago Pichpich (talk) 20:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Ezhil to Category:Films directed by S. Ezhil – C2D: He is S. Ezhil Kailash29792 (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Macedonian people of Aromanian origin to Category:Macedonian people of Aromanian descent – My mistake, sorry. I have created a duplicate. Jingiby (talk) 17:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Al-Baath University to Category:Homs University
- Category:Tishreen University to Category:Latakia University
– C2D: both Universities have been renamed. Rename for consistency with Homs University & Latakia University.–yeagvr · ✉ 13:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Icelandic people and person templates to Category:Icelandic people and person navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes (two subcategories and two templates). Rename for consistency with Category:Iceland navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign nationals detained in Iran to Category:Foreign nationals imprisoned in Iran – C2C: all the other categories are Foreign nationals imprisoned in FOO MasonGarrison 20:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transgender by continent to Category:Transgender topics by continent – C2C: See Category:Transgender topics by country. LIrala (talk) 07:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian occupation of Timor-Leste to Category:Indonesian occupation of East Timor – C2D: per Indonesian occupation of East Timor. Armbrust 06:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Groups of entertainers to Category:Loosely defined groups of entertainers – C2A: More specific phrasing to communicate the premise of the category. TheActualDamnPeterGriffin (talk) 1:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this satisfies any speedy criteria.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely not a criteria under "C2A", or any speedy for that matter. MasonGarrison 11:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Silent film actors to Category:Silent-film actors – C2A: Compound modifier; it's not about film actors (or comedians) that are silent, it's the films they appear in that are silent films. Tagging only the top two levels to begin with. HandsomeFella (talk) 12:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy oppose. I'm not sure this works under the wikipedia hypenation rules. Especially since we have Silent film people as the parent category. MasonGarrison 11:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Extinct monotypic bird genera to Category:Prehistoric monotypic bird genera – C2C: a few birds such as the Choiseul pigeon or the broad-billed parrot are contemporarily extinct ; the others are prehistoric ans should be moved to a relevant category (by renaming this one?) --Couiros22 (talk) 12:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Couiros22: not sure that this fits speedy because Category:Extinct animals is a valid category tree too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- East Timor to Timor-Leste – C2D: Per RM at Talk:Timor-Leste#Requested_move_16_December_2024. Same as below, but covering all categories that are not borders or bilateral relations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1940s in East Timor to Category:1940s in Timor-Leste
- Category:1970s disestablishments in East Timor to Category:1970s disestablishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1970s establishments in East Timor to Category:1970s establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1970s in East Timor to Category:1970s in Timor-Leste
- Category:1974 establishments in East Timor to Category:1974 establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1974 in East Timor to Category:1974 in Timor-Leste
- Category:1975 establishments in East Timor to Category:1975 establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1975 in East Timor to Category:1975 in Timor-Leste
- Category:1980s in East Timor to Category:1980s in Timor-Leste
- Category:1989 in East Timor to Category:1989 in Timor-Leste
- Category:1990s disestablishments in East Timor to Category:1990s disestablishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1990s establishments in East Timor to Category:1990s establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1990s in East Timor to Category:1990s in Timor-Leste
- Category:1991 establishments in East Timor to Category:1991 establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1991 in East Timor to Category:1991 in Timor-Leste
- Category:1999 establishments in East Timor to Category:1999 establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:1999 in East Timor to Category:1999 in Timor-Leste
- Category:2000 in East Timor to Category:2000 in Timor-Leste
- Category:2001 disestablishments in East Timor to Category:2001 disestablishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:2001 establishments in East Timor to Category:2001 establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:2001 in East Timor to Category:2001 in Timor-Leste
- Category:20th-century disestablishments in East Timor to Category:20th-century disestablishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:2nd-millennium establishments in East Timor to Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Timor-Leste
- Category:2nd millennium in East Timor to Category:2nd millennium in Timor-Leste
- Category:Journalists killed while covering the Indonesian occupation of East Timor to Category:Journalists killed while covering the Indonesian occupation of Timor-Leste
- Category:Years of the 20th century in East Timor to Category:Years of the 20th century in Timor-Leste
- Category:A-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:A-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:B-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:B-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Category-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Category-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Category-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:Category-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:C-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:C-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Disambig-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Disambig-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Disambig-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:Disambig-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:Draft-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Draft-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Draft-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:Draft-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:FA-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:FA-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:File-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:File-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:FL-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:FL-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:FM-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:FM-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:FM-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:FM-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:GA-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:GA-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:High-importance WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:High-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:List-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:List-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Low-importance WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Low-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Mid-importance WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Mid-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:NA-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:NA-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:NA-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:NA-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:NA-importance WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:NA-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:NA-importance WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:NA-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:Pages using WikiProject East Timor with unknown parameters to Category:Pages using WikiProject Timor-Leste with unknown parameters
- Category:Project-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Project-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Project-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:Project-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:Redirect-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Redirect-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Redirect-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:Redirect-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:Start-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Start-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Stub-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Stub-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Template-Class WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Template-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Template-Class WikiProject East Timor pages to Category:Template-Class WikiProject Timor-Leste pages
- Category:Top-importance WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Top-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Unassessed WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Unassessed WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:Unknown-importance WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:Unknown-importance WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:WikiProject East Timor articles by importance to Category:WikiProject Timor-Leste articles by importance
- Category:WikiProject East Timor articles by quality to Category:WikiProject Timor-Leste articles by quality
- Category:WikiProject East Timor articles to Category:WikiProject Timor-Leste articles
- Category:WikiProject East Timor participants to Category:WikiProject Timor-Leste participants
- Category:WikiProject East Timor to Category:WikiProject Timor-Leste
- Oppose speedy for the project-related category, as it's still called Misplaced Pages:WikiProject East Timor. Armbrust 18:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I need help tagging all of these; I accidentally interrupted the Mass CfDS tool during tagging. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming Category:1940s in East Timor only, since this is pre-independence. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Added borders. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the year categories. Any year category that dates before the country was known as "Timor-Leste" shouldn't be renamed. Gonnym (talk) 11:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also oppose the WikiProject related categories as the project hasn't been renamed. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, so that means everything except "WikiProject East Timor" and pre-2002 year categories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also oppose the WikiProject related categories as the project hasn't been renamed. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The problem with this and similar moves when countries change their names is twofold: as noted above, it is inappropriate for topics that date before the change, and it can become inconsistent with external sources. Thus, for example, the WGSRPD is used by many plant taxonomic databases to define the unit areas of plant distributions. It uses "East Timor", so we do at Category:Flora of East Timor. This ensures the distribution categorization is consistent with sources used in the article. This isn't a knockdown argument against moving, but nominating so many categories of different kinds at once makes it difficult to consider them carefully. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- In these cases, we need redirects.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin If processing the project categories, please make sure all templates are changed before letting the bot loose on these. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- International Force East Timor was the name of a military unit. Category:Australian military personnel of the International Force for East Timor is for notable persons who belonged to that force. Neither of these articles was approved for speedy renaming. I have reverted the changes. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Ceylon to Category:Chief secretaries of Ceylon – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Sierra Leone to Category:Colonial secretaries of Sierra Leone
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Cyprus to Category:Colonial secretaries of Cyprus
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Fiji to Category:Colonial secretaries of Fiji
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Gibraltar to Category:Colonial secretaries of Gibraltar
- Category:Chief Secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony) to Category:Chief secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony)
- Category:Chief Secretaries for Ireland to Category:Chief secretaries for Ireland
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Kenya to Category:Chief secretaries of Kenya
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Mauritius to Category:Colonial secretaries of Mauritius
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of New South Wales to Category:Colonial secretaries of New South Wales
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of New Zealand to Category:Colonial secretaries of New Zealand
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Nigeria to Category:Chief secretaries of Nigeria
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Northern Rhodesia to Category:Chief secretaries of Northern Rhodesia
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Palestine to Category:Chief secretaries of Palestine
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Singapore to Category:Chief secretaries of Singapore
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Tasmania to Category:Colonial secretaries of Tasmania
- Category:Chief Secretaries of Transjordan to Category:Chief secretaries of Transjordan – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Western Australia to Category:Colonial secretaries of Western Australia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- oppose as per MOS:JOBTITLES They are capitalized only in the following cases: When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself the category is addressing the position in and of itself. This applies to all the other listed categories as well Gnangarra 11:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- The job titles are in plural, and we do not capitalize in such cases (see: "When a formal title for a specific entity... is not plural..."). Similar categories have also been moved to use lowercase based on this (e.g., Category:Vice presidents of the United States, categories under Category:Defense ministers by country, categories under Category:Governors-general, and categories under Category:Deputy prime ministers; see also articles like List of secretaries of state of the United States, List of secretaries general of the Western European Union, etc.) WikiEditor50 (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- oppose as per MOS:JOBTITLES They are capitalized only in the following cases: When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself the category is addressing the position in and of itself. This applies to all the other listed categories as well Gnangarra 11:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Prince Edward Island to Category:Colonial secretaries of Prince Edward Island – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Newfoundland to Category:Colonial secretaries of Newfoundland – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Bermuda to Category:Colonial secretaries of Bermuda – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of Barbados to Category:Colonial secretaries of Barbados – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colonial Secretaries of the Bahamas to Category:Colonial secretaries of the Bahamas – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chief Secretaries of British Guiana to Category:Chief secretaries of British Guiana – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Syrian intelligence agencies to Category:Ba'athist Syria intelligence agencies – C2C: Rename to match renamed parent article Ba'athist Syria. These are organizations associated with the previous government that ran the country. Longhornsg (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Looking at Talk:Ba'athist Syria there still is some uncertainty about the long-term name of the article. Also would not match the rest of the tree; we do not have Category:Ba'athist Syria. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indigenous leaders in South America to Category:Indigenous leaders of South America – C2C: parent is "Indigenous leaders of the Americas", which uses "of" MasonGarrison 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: arguably the parent might be renamed to "in". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Both parents? Indigenous people of South America also uses of MasonGarrison 18:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Right. There is Category:Indigenous leaders in Canada. I guess "in" is technically more correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm. That's a good point. I don't have strong opinions about which is used. Should we take this to full to see if someone does? MasonGarrison 19:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Right. There is Category:Indigenous leaders in Canada. I guess "in" is technically more correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Both parents? Indigenous people of South America also uses of MasonGarrison 18:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: arguably the parent might be renamed to "in". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Peggy Jay family to Category:Jay-Garnett family - To better summarise the contents as the family is wider than just direct relatives of Peggy Jay. OGBC1992 (talk) 09:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is the speedy material. @OGBC1992:, would you mind taking it to full CFD with literally the same justification? Ymblanter (talk) 10:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ymblanter I am not sure how to take something to CFD if you wouldn't mind assisting? Many thanks. OGBC1992 (talk) 11:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is the speedy material. @OGBC1992:, would you mind taking it to full CFD with literally the same justification? Ymblanter (talk) 10:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Suicides in Ancient Macedonia to Category:Suicides in ancient Macedonia – C2A: "Ancient" not typically capitalized in this way. See Theatre of ancient Greece for example. WikiEditor50 (talk) 09:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Suicides in Ancient Greece to Category:Suicides in ancient Greece – C2A: "Ancient" not typically capitalized in this way. See Theatre of ancient Greece for example. WikiEditor50 (talk) 09:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East – C2A Russian Rocky (talk) 09:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Asia to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Asia
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Israel to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Israel
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Jordan to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Jordan
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Lebanon to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Lebanon
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Syria to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Syria
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Turkey to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Turkey
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Europe to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Europe
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Austria to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Austria
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in France to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in France
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Russia to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Russia
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in the United Kingdom to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in the United Kingdom
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Scotland to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Scotland
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in North America to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in North America
- Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in the United States to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in the United States
- Category:Novels set in the Ancient Near East to Category:Novels set in the ancient Near East
- Category:Films set in the Ancient Near East to Category:Films set in the ancient Near East
- Category:Sculpture of the Ancient Near East to Category:Sculpture of the ancient Near East
- Category:Ancient near eastern cosmology to Category:Ancient Near Eastern cosmology
- Oppose all needs discussion. Johnbod (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- What exactly is your problem, sir? The vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt). Also, "Museums of Ancient Near East" categories are missing the definite article regardless of your preferences ("Museums of the Ancient Near East" or "Museums of the ancient Near East").--Russian Rocky (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with adding "the" - it's "ancient" that needs discussion. If it it is true that "the vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt)" this is only because of recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus. Johnbod (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- So why don't you discuss it on Talk:Ancient Near East instead? To begin with, there is not enough people in CFDs to discuss this matter. Also, what "capitalization fanatics" are you talking about? Are you aware that "Ancient Near East" was changed to "ancient Near East" in 2011 (Talk:Ancient Near East#Capitalization)? Here's an excerpt: "According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"." Since 2011, nobody has talked about capitalization on Talk:Ancient Near East.
- Except Category:Novels set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Films set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Sculpture of the Ancient Near East, other categories with no definite article should be renamed in any case. I suggest to stick to "ancient Near East" at first because it's more widespread inspite of your claim about "a handful of capitalization fanatics" (you provided no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and is under discussion). Personally, I don't care whether it is "ancient Near East" or "Ancient Near East", but the current consensus is apparently the former and let's stick to it.--Russian Rocky (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Most category and article page names do use lowercase "ancient" in phrases like "ancient Rome" and "ancient Greece" (excluding language designations). See usage throughout the Ancient Rome page, Social class in ancient Rome, Patrician (ancient Rome), Timeline of ancient Greece, Category:Wikipedians interested in ancient Rome, Category:Novels set in ancient Rome, Category:Prosopography of ancient Rome, Category:Wars involving ancient Greece, Category:Battles involving ancient Greece, Category:Culture of ancient Greece, and Category:History books about ancient Greece for examples. I believe we should aim for consistency in article and category names. Many of these pages and categories have had these names for quite some time and were not moved recently. If you would like to use uppercase in phrases like "Ancient Greece", why not propose this at the talk pages of the main pages? WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Russian Rocky: are you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, please. Unfortunately, I can't figure out myself what Johnbod's problem is. He claimed that the vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" because of "recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus", but there is no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and/or is under discussion. I agree with InverseHypercube on Talk:Ancient Near East who said the following: "According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"."
- See The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (Appendix A: Capitalization and Spelling Examples) at the Internet Archive: p. 153: "ancient Near East (noun)" "ancient Near Eastern (adj.)".--Russian Rocky (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:Possibly fictional pirates to Category:Pirates whose existence is disputed – C2C: parent is People whose existence is disputed MasonGarrison 06:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There are fare more subcategories of Category:People whose existence is disputed that use "Possibly fictional" than "whose existence is disputed", and therefore it's not a clear convention to apply C2C. Armbrust 10:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all being renamed to match this parent. Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Category:Possibly fictional people from Europe MasonGarrison 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- In that case we should wait until that is concluded and if it does then we can process this. Armbrust 23:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all being renamed to match this parent. Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Category:Possibly fictional people from Europe MasonGarrison 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There are fare more subcategories of Category:People whose existence is disputed that use "Possibly fictional" than "whose existence is disputed", and therefore it's not a clear convention to apply C2C. Armbrust 10:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stainton, south Cumbria to Category:Stainton, Westmorland and Furness – C2D: Match Stainton, Westmorland and Furness. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose ambiguous with Stainton, Dacre, see User talk:Hey man im josh#Stainton. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Postpone until we know the result of the proposed move of Stainton, Westmorland and Furness. Grutness...wha? 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:1975 establishments in Chattisgarh to Category:1975 establishments in Chhattisgarh – C2A. I have already modified the category in the articles Gomardha Wildlife Sanctuary and Badalkhol Wildlife Sanctuary to the new name. --Cyfal (talk) 07:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1975 establishments in Chattisgarh is an empty category so it could have just been tagged for CSD C1 or moved without going through CFD. Liz 08:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- It became empty after the nominator moved the two entries to the proposed target. I will now move them back and will move the category in 48h provided no objections have been raised against speedy move. Ymblanter (talk) 08:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- It became empty after the nominator moved the two entries to the proposed target. I will now move them back and will move the category in 48h provided no objections have been raised against speedy move. Ymblanter (talk) 08:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1975 establishments in Chattisgarh is an empty category so it could have just been tagged for CSD C1 or moved without going through CFD. Liz 08:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas to Category:Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas – C2C: parent is Russian military personnel killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War MasonGarrison 14:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison I would suggest a full discussion for both categories as the war in Donbas involved Pro-Russian military units rather than only Russian military units and the members of the category are almost all Pro-Russian Ukrainians. Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas is a parent of Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas and a grandparent of Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas. TSventon (talk) 17:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas a parent of Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas? Pro-russian is a cause not a nationality. MasonGarrison 19:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas contains Russians and Ukrainians so it is not really a nationality category. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case, then the category should either be renamed to Pro-Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas or purged to only include russian nationals. I personally don't care which way it goes, but the naming isn't consistent. Can you take it to full? MasonGarrison 19:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas contains Russians and Ukrainians so it is not really a nationality category. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas a parent of Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas? Pro-russian is a cause not a nationality. MasonGarrison 19:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison I would suggest a full discussion for both categories as the war in Donbas involved Pro-Russian military units rather than only Russian military units and the members of the category are almost all Pro-Russian Ukrainians. Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas is a parent of Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas and a grandparent of Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas. TSventon (talk) 17:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alvarado wrestling family to Category:Alvarado professional wrestling family – C2C: Per all other subcategories of Category:Professional wrestling families. Mike Selinker (talk) 00:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy The main article is Alvarado wrestling family. Armbrust 06:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neapolitan families to Category:Families of Naples – C2C: Per other categories in Category:Italian families. Mike Selinker (talk) 07:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for speedy, we should discuss whether Category:Families from the Kingdom of Naples is perhaps a better target. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed and brought up for full discussion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for speedy, we should discuss whether Category:Families from the Kingdom of Naples is perhaps a better target. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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