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{{Short description|Page for discussing mergers and deletions of templates}}
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'''About TFD:'''
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* TFD is a page where requests for deletion of inappropriate ] can be posted for comment and voting.
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* In addition to voting "Keep" or "Delete," a valid vote on this page is "Convert to category." In this case, all pages with the template should be added to an appropriately named category, and the template should be deleted.
{{floating link|Closing instructions}}
* Templates that have been listed for over 7 days are eligible for deletion if ''either'' a consensus to do so (other than the proposer) has been reached ''or'' no objects to its deletion have been raised. Such templates should be dealt with as soon as possible. Archived discussions are located at ].
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On this page, the deletion or merging of ''']''' and ''']''', except as noted ], is discussed.
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==How to use this page==
'''When may deletion be appropriate:'''
===<span id="NOT"></span> What ''not'' to propose for discussion here===
* Article category, list and series boxes which are either not noteworthy, are redundant with categories, or which have simply been orphaned may be requested to be deleted. Misplaced Pages has ]. If you vote to keep a series box, be prepared to explain how it meets the criteria on this page.
{{shortcut|WP:TFD#NOT}}
* Be aware that "Not in use" is not necessarily a reason to delete, likewise "Seems limited" is POV. Meeting Wiki guidelines for templates, for neutrality (as with all contributions) and a sense that it could be useful, is the important thing.
The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the ] and ] should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:


; Stub templates
: Stub templates and categories should be listed at ], as these templates are merely containers for their categories, ''unless'' the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
; Userboxes
: Userboxes should be listed at ], regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
; Speedy deletion candidates
: If the template clearly satisfies a ], tag it with a ]. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{t|Db-author}}. See also ].
; Policy or guideline templates
: Templates that are associated with particular ], such as the ], cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
; Template redirects
: List at ].
; Moving and renaming
: Use ].


===<span class="anchor" id="REASONS"></span> Reasons to delete a template===
'''How to request deletion of a template:'''
{{shortcut|WP:TFD#REASONS}}
* Templates listed on this page do not need to be orphans prior to listing, and in fact should not be removed from pages prior to listing. However, templates should be removed from all pages prior to deletion. Currently, this can only be done manually.
# The template violates some part of the ], and can't be altered to be in compliance.
* To list a template on this page, add it to the list below under the appropriate date. Link to it as <nowiki>]</nowiki> instead of as <nowiki>{{Insert template here}}</nowiki>. When listing a template on this page, add <nowiki>{{tfd}}</nowiki> to the '''top of the template itself''' as well. This will add a note to the template indicating it has ben requested to be deleted.
# The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
*When adding this message to templates that are in the form of series boxes, the message should be placed inside the box, to make it clear what is being proposed for deletion. When being added to templates which have already been blanked, and are just sitting around as blanks, the message should be added to the template talk page. Again, do not blank templates to list them here - this is just if the template is already blank when you are listing it.
# The template is not used, either directly or by ] (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), {{Strong|and has no likelihood of {{em|being}} used}}.
# The template violates a policy such as ] or ] and it can't be fixed through normal editing.


Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, ] may be able to help.


Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by ] here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.
'''Resources:'''
* Votes for deletion (VfD) subpages: ] -- ] -- ] -- ] -- ] -- ]
* ]
* ]


===Listing a template===
{{shortcut|WP:TFDHOWTO|WP:TFDHOW}}
{{Strong|To list a template for deletion or merging, adhere to the following three-step process.}} Utilizing ] is strongly recommended as it automates and simplifies these steps. To use Twinkle, click TW ] in the toolbar (top right of the page), then select XFD. Do {{em|not}} include the "Template:" prefix in any of the steps, unless specifically instructed otherwise.
{| class="wikitable" style="clear: both;"
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! scope="col" | Step
! scope="col" | Instructions
|- id="Step I"
! scope="row" style="background-color: #ffff99;" | I: Tag the template.
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:


* For deletion: {{Tlxs|Tfd}}
==Listings==
* For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=type=sidebar}}
* For deletion of an inline template: {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=type=inline}}
* For deletion of a ]: {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=type=module|3=page={{var|{{Gray|name of module}}}}}} at the top of the module's <code>/doc</code> subpage.
* For merging: {{Tlxs|Tfm|{{var|{{Gray|name of other template}}}}}}
* For merging an inline template: {{Tlxs|Tfm|2=type=inline|3={{var|{{Gray|name of other template to be merged}}}}}}
**Other values for {{para|type}} are available, see ]


'''Note:'''
Please put new listings at the bottom of the page.
* If it is an inline template, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
* If the template to be nominated for deletion is ], make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{Tlx|editprotected}} template to catch the attention of ] or ].
* For templates designed to be ], add {{tag|noinclude}} around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
* Do not mark the edit as minor.
* Use an edit summary like<br /><code>Nominated for deletion; see <nowiki>]</nowiki></code><br /> or <br /><code>Nominated for merging; see <nowiki>]</nowiki></code>.
* Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.


'''Multiple templates:''' If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "]"). Tag every template with {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=heading={{var|{{Gray|discussion title}}}}}} or {{Tlxs|Tfm|{{var|{{Gray|name of other template}}}}|3=heading={{var|{{Gray|discussion title}}}}}} instead of the versions given above, replacing <code>{{var|discussion title}}</code> with the title you chose (but still not changing the <code>PAGENAME</code> code).


'''Related categories:''' If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Tlx|Catfd|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing <code>{{var|template name}}</code> with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Tlx|Catfd|2=header={{var|{{Gray|title of nomination}}}}}} instead.)
=== October 26 ===
*] (and redir ] - obscure, unused, and redundant with ]. -- ] ] 20:05, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC)
**Keep. ] 23:52, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
***That's odd, thought this one was a no-brainer. Any reason? -- ] ] 05:19, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
****Mostly because my sense is that we move a lot of recipes and it's probably useful to indicate where in Wikibooks the thing should go, as Wikibooks is rather large. ] 06:45, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
**if it's not used then delete--]] 06:02, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Quite useful. - ] 15:47, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


'''TemplateStyles pages:''' The above templates will not work on ] pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:
=== November 5 ===
:<code>/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Misplaced Pages's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: <nowiki>https://</nowiki>en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}}_{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}_{{CURRENTDAY}}#Template:{{var|{{Gray|template_name}}}}.css */</code>
*] - A ''huge'' box for the bottom of Nintendo character articles like ]. Unwieldy and unnecessary with ] and its subcats. --] ] 23:00, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**This box is a crime. Delete it with haste. ] 23:54, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
**Perhaps if we shrink the font down another few percent... No, just delete it. -- ] ] 00:22, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
**delete, too huge --]] 05:52, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**I was a big editor of this, but it's gotten too big. Delete. ] (])] 23:14, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
**Perhaps it should be split into Nintendo universes? Like Mario, Zelda, etc. However, as it is, '''delete'''. - ] 12:57, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
***Even if you go by universe they're pretty big - check out ] for instance. --] ] 23:57, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**Instead of deleting, merge the characters into one link and put on the template (for example, ]), or shrink the template down with another <nowiki><small></nowiki>, or both. ––67.81.178.64 4:42, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*** <nowiki><small><small></nowiki> is illegible. ] 16:31, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete''': The category is enough. --] ] 18:36, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
*] - orphaned, POV, and useless --]] 06:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''D''' I don't think its POV, but certainly a better case for categories. Delete redir at ] too. -- ] ] 06:16, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
** '''Delete''': It ''is'' POV, just like all those various other earlier religion templates. ]&mdash;] (])] 04:18, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
*] - misuse of templates; articles related as such should be categorized --]] 06:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''D''' Not a "misuse" just an early template created before categories. Delete redir at ] too. -- ] ] 06:16, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
*] - what is "premier" is POV and poorly defined and we dont need a box for poorly related institutions. --]] 06:19, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''D''' replaceable w/ categories. Was previously ] (]). If deleted now, take care of Talk page and redirects at ] and ]. -- ] ] 06:29, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
* ] much like above. Delete redirects at ] and ]. -- ] ] 06:30, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)


|- id="Step II"
=== November 5 ===
! scope="row" style="background-color: #ffcc00;" | II: List the template at TfD.
*] - A ''huge'' box for the bottom of Nintendo character articles like ]. Unwieldy and unnecessary with ] and its subcats. --] ] 23:00, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | {{Clickable button|Edit today's TfD log|url={{fullurl:Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|action=edit&section=1}}|class=mw-ui-progressive}} and paste this text '''to the top of the list''':
**This box is a crime. Delete it with haste. ] 23:54, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
**Perhaps if we shrink the font down another few percent... No, just delete it. -- ] ] 00:22, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
**delete, too huge --]] 05:52, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**I was a big editor of this, but it's gotten too big. Delete. ] (])] 23:14, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
**Perhaps it should be split into Nintendo universes? Like Mario, Zelda, etc. However, as it is, '''delete'''. - ] 12:57, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
***Even if you go by universe they're pretty big - check out ] for instance. --] ] 23:57, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**Instead of deleting, merge the characters into one link and put on the template (for example, ]), or shrink the template down with another <nowiki><small></nowiki>, or both. ––67.81.178.64 4:42, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*** <nowiki><small><small></nowiki> is illegible. ] 16:31, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete''': The category is enough. --] ] 18:36, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
*] - orphaned, POV, and useless --]] 06:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''D''' I don't think its POV, but certainly a better case for categories. Delete redir at ] too. -- ] ] 06:16, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
** '''Delete''': It ''is'' POV, just like all those various other earlier religion templates. ]&mdash;] (])] 04:18, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
*] - misuse of templates; articles related as such should be categorized --]] 06:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''D''' Not a "misuse" just an early template created before categories. Delete redir at ] too. -- ] ] 06:16, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
*] - what is "premier" is POV and poorly defined and we dont need a box for poorly related institutions. --]] 06:19, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''D''' replaceable w/ categories. Was previously ] (]). If deleted now, take care of Talk page and redirects at ] and ]. -- ] ] 06:29, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
* ] much like above. Delete redirects at ] and ]. -- ] ] 06:30, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)


* For deletion: {{Tlxs|Tfd2|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the template should be deleted.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}
===November 6===
* For merging: {{Tlxs|Tfm2|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|other template's name}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the templates should be merged.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}
*] is no longer used; it was agreed in discussion at ] to use the category system instead. (There's a redirect at ] to be deleted too.) ] 19:13, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)


If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{tlx|Oldtfdlist|{{var|{{Gray|previous TfD without brackets}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|result of previous TfD}}}}}} directly after the {{para|text}} before the why (or alternatively, after the <code>}}</code> of the <code>Tfd2/Catfd2</code>).
===November 10===
*] - unworthy box better replaced by ]. --] ] 00:48, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Use an edit summary such as <br /><code>Adding <nowiki>]</nowiki></code>.
===November 11===
* ] and ], consensus was to keep. see log for full discussion. ] 13:03, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


'''Multiple templates:''' If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:
=== November 12 ===
*] - not in use, seems extremely limited. -- ] ] 18:38, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
----
:''Reasons for tag:''
:''The tag was created as NPOVNPOV. I modified and renamed it to deflect dispute into collaboration. It reflects a very pragmatic approach and reorients debate to the article with a strong request to the effect "now you've both had your say, agree where you stand by choosing a better tag between you". It is quite likely to work, because theres a real difference between ''removing or changing'' a tag someone else put there which you disagree with (edit/revert war) and ''adding'' a tag to say its disputed (no edit/revert war). Right now articles end up as "totallydisputed" being the one thing that's agreed on beyond which you cant go. Fewer edit wars = more focus on article. Yes they shouldnt get that way but we all know huge numbers at any time do. This might just be the way to seriously reduce that and ebncourage article collaborators to compromise and talk instead of lock it up while they squabble. Please see more specific notes on ].'' ] 23:31, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete. The fact that someone put a dispute tag on an article is fairly good evidence of a dispute, no? ] 19:39, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
:::It can (and regularly has) also lead to article status being seriously misrepresented as regards the actual debate. And also sometimes it has ended up with the article PROT or VPROT in that state for a long time, locked and misrepresented. ] 01:08, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
**'''Unsure''' This template disputes the original dispute; that is, disagrees that the article is actually in dispute. e.g. non-involved party applying a dispute when a talk page discussion gets lively, but when none of the involved parties have called the article in dispute. OTOH, if it is not in use... ] (added siggy)
**'''Keep''' (Logically it wont be in use till its been round a while) It is highly non-trivial to be able to say "the above tag is disputed". It's useful and it serves a genuine purpose. The circumstances Amgine mentions are one example. Tags do get disputed and whatever ''should'' happen, that's the reality. There's a real benefit to having a way to say ''"I am leaving that tag for now but I do disagree"'' in order to avoid an edit war. ] 23:31, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
** '''Delete.''' Confusing and unnecessary. ] 22:08, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''Keep''' In lieu of responsibility to the community and the accuracy of our work, some individuals will use tags as a means of silencing or derailing information. Unless I am missing something, this circumstance is not well addressed by other means. As the topic's importance increases, the likelihood of this mendacious behavior occuring increases. -- ] ] 23:28, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
** '''Keep'''. "Not in use" is not a reason to delete; "seems extremely limited" is just your own POV and not true. It's quite a useful template, and I'd even go so far it's just as necessary to have this one as it is to have templates for NPOV disputes etc. -- ] 23:32, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**'''Keep''' - POV disputes often (usually?) involve an argument over whether there's any POV issue at all. --] ] 23:39, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Although I'm not completly convinced by its usefulness, I don't see a reason to delete the template. Let's wait a bit and see if it will be useful. --]|] 23:43, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)


{{block indent| {{Tlxs|Tfd2|{{var|{{Gray|template name 1}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|template name 2 ...}}}}|title{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|meaningful discussion title}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the templates should be deleted.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}}}
=== November 14 ===
*] is too large to make it useful as a template, at least without some sort of organization within the template. (Now it is just an alphabetical list.) ] 16:53, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete''' and '''Convert to Category'''. Some are alrady in ]; put all of them there. --] ] 23:35, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**'''Keep'''. It is useful and unobtrusive on the articles. Categories are useful but not a replacement for everything. &mdash;] 04:27, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
*] - I have strong feelings against a template like this. I feel like it's existence will only foster more ill-will during an edit dispute. Disputes are a problem for the ''community'' - listing out the specific "combatents" seems petty. -- ] ] 18:28, 2004 Nov 14 (UTC)
**Agree with the above, delete, and keep the personalities on the talk page ] 18:45, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete''': agree with Netoholic. Also violates ] even more; readers don't care who is arguing. --] ] 23:36, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete''': for reasons given by Netoholic and Whosyourjudas -- ] 00:46, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete'''. Pointing fingers will just make such problems worse. ] 03:51, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)


You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters <code>|</code> ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.
===November 15===
*] - orphan. Not really a template. ]] 00:04, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete'''. I agree. Also, it is unnecessary since it is essentially a less functional duplicate of ]. ] 03:51, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
**'''Delete'''. Quickly! --03:58, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*]. silly and unencylopedic. ] 11:34, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)


If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:
===November 17===
*] -- Not in use. Condescending and unhelpful. ] | ]]] 02:59, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)


{{block indent| {{Tlxs|Tfm2|{{var|{{Gray|template name 1}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|template name 2 ...}}}}|with{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|main template (optional)}}}}|title{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|meaningful discussion title}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the templates should be merged.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}}}
===November 19===
*] - Not useful. --] ]]] 10:58, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters <code>|</code> ), plus one more in {{para|with}}. {{para|with}} does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.
* '''Keep''' Rubbish it's very usefull, pubs are and important part of the social fabric of the UK. Their importance needs to be documented both indivdually and as a group.--] 14:09, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)


'''Related categories:''' If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the {{para|text}} field of the <code>Tfd2</code> template but before the text of your rationale:
==Holding Cell==
{{block indent| {{Tlxs|Catfd2|{{var|{{Gray|category name}}}}}}}}
|- id="Step III"
! scope="row" style="background-color: orange" | III: Notify users.
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the ] or ] of the template. Then, add one of the following:


* For deletion: {{Tlxs|Tfd notice|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
These templates need to be deleted, but may still be in use on some pages. Somebody (Admin or otherwise) should remove them from pages so that they can be deleted. If you've cleared a page, note it here.
* For merging: {{Tlxs|Tfm notice|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|other template's name}}}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>


to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the ''other template'' for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested ] aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use ]. ] are a possible way of doing that.
===Remove Entirely===


'''Multiple templates:''' There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.
===Convert to category===
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===Footer===


Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.
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=== After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors ===
While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD ''(see above)'', nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with ].

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Misplaced Pages-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the ] that it meets.

====Notifying related WikiProjects====
] are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tls|Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's '']'' automatically, if they ]. For instance, tagging a template with {{tl|WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in ].

====Notifying substantial contributors to the template====
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the ] creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the ] or ].

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "]" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" ''may not'' be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the ] until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

===Twinkle===
] is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. To use Twinkle, click its dropdown menu in the toolbar in the top right of the page: TW ], and then click 'XFD'.

Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have ]. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

==Discussion==
Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the ] and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend ''']''' or '''subst and delete''' and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at ].

==Closing discussion==
Administrators should read the ] before closing a nomination. Note that ] semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

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== Old discussions ==
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== Completed discussions ==
A list of completed discussions that still require action taken on the template(s) — for example, a merge between two infoboxes — can be found at ].

For an index of all old and archived discussions, see ].

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Stub templates
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I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

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Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

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II: List the template at TfD. Edit today's TfD log and paste this text to the top of the list:
  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the |text= before the why (or alternatively, after the }} of the Tfd2/Catfd2).

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Adding ].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

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WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

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At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

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Twinkle

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. To use Twinkle, click its dropdown menu in the toolbar in the top right of the page: TW , and then click 'XFD'.

Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

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Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

December 28

December 27

IPA-xx templates

Replace with {{IPA|...}} and delete. Like with the lang-xx templates, the new syntax frees us of having to create these templates for every language. Previous batch. ({{IPA-all}}, {{IPA-le}}, {{IPA-va}}, and redirects require more than just replacing - with |.) Nardog (talk) 23:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:HighBeam

Unused and marked as deprecated for over a decade. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Site maintenance template

Unattributed copypaste from Logopedia with no real use here.  Sumanuil. (talk to me) 20:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:No known logo

Unattributed copypaste from Logopedia with no real use here.  Sumanuil. (talk to me) 20:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Eastern roster

Only used in on page (Hong Kong Eastern), violating WP:TMP. HanTsî (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:The Arabic literature

Unused and malformed, should either be fixed and used or moved to userspace/draftspace or deleted Plastikspork ―Œ 15:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:KirstenboschMap

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:PD-Coa-Mexico

No transclusions. This template does not appear to be usable on the English Misplaced Pages, since all files to which it applies, such as File:Flag of Mexico.svg, have been moved to Commons (or could be moved to Commons), where the template is used in over 1,900 pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I see that there was a 2017 TFD that was withdrawn for {{PD-Coa-Mexico}} and similar unused PD File templates, but the templates' documentation was not updated to match the justifications. If this template is kept, I recommend that this and similar templates be documented to explain why they are here and how they should (and should not) be used. I have provided example bare-bones documentation at {{PD-Coa-Finland}}, which was involved in the previous TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep {{PD-Slovenia}}. Slovenia has a shorter term for photographs, so it is possible for there to be an expired photograph of a still-copyrighted architectural work (which is usable on English Misplaced Pages as {{PD-USonly}}). This was in use briefly for an old photo of a Slovene chapel. It was eventually determined that the chapel was also architecturally acceptable for Commons, but I could foresee a similar case occurring again where an old photograph of a Slovene building could not be uploaded to Commons. It also has potential application for old free photos of non-free content (e.g., statues, murals) used under the NFCC. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 13:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1948

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kildare Junior Hurling Team 1962

Single use template, just one player with an article The Banner talk 12:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Intermediate Hurling Team 1973

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 11:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Cork Premier Junior Football Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 11:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Mayo Minor Football Team 1971

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 11:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Mayo Minor Football Team 1974

Single use template The Banner talk 11:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Galway Under-21 Football Team 1972

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 11:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Graph:BTS Skytrain ridership

No longer used and graphs are not displayed for almost a year if I'm not mistaken. If wanted to be kept, can be userfied or a subpage of some kind. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

should wait until the new chart extension is deployed to enwiki. Then the data can be migrated. https://www.mediawiki.org/Extension:Chart/Project Matthewmayer (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Chief ministers of United Provinces

Only two links. Not needed as both links can be found from one another's article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Taxon details

Unused. I don't see an encyclopedic purpose for this; it is apparently designed to reproduce some information from the WoRMS database. Some of the information is completely irrelevant to Misplaced Pages ("Taxonomic edit history" is the history of edits to the WoRMS record), and information that is potentially relevant to Misplaced Pages (e.g. "Environment") is better presented as prose here than in a table. Plantdrew (talk) 02:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Crystal Skate of Romania

Non-notable figure skating competition. All individual events have been redirected to the parent article, rendering this table unnecessary. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Finance ministers of Russia

All three templates should be merged on the basis of Template:Finance ministers of Russia. It should be a single template of RSFSR – Soviet Union – Russian Federation finance ministers. It will ease navigation too. I hope that someone will do that, because I don't know how to merge templates. MarcusTraianus (talk) 09:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


December 26

Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 2002

WP:NENAN, just three players and the manager having an article The Banner talk 15:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kildare Under-21 Football Team 1965

WP:NENAN, just two players with an article The Banner talk 15:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Uw-isu

No transclusions or documentation. Inscrutable template name. Created in 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep The template name likely means "implies shared use", a good equivalent of {{uw-username-coi}} without the "COI" part. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Correct, that was the intention behind it. – Stuart98 ( Talk • Contribs) 20:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Election results-STV

No transclusions or documentation. Created in April 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep Was only recently finally fixed so it was usable and is now in use. Some discussion prior to a nomination would be appreciated – this is the second time it's been nominated in the last couple of months. Number 57 12:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete if not used in mainspace during this TfD. Templates will get repeatedly nominated if they aren't being actively used. That's just how it goes. There is never a justifiable reason to create a template in mainspace and not use it for 8 months. If a template is not ready for active transclusions, it can be created in the draft namespace or in a user namespace. Gonnym (talk) 12:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there a reason the format of the template can't be substituted on articles? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes – it is the front end of a module. Number 57 16:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ballygiblin Hurling Team 2023

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Monaleen Hurling Team 2023

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Fossa Football Team 2023

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Meath Minor Football Team 1957

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Rathmore Football Team 2023

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2018 GAA Minor Star Awards Hurling Team of the Year

WP:NENAN, just two players with an article The Banner talk 12:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Piper Kerr Photo

Unnecessary template since only one article uses this template: Scottish National Antarctic Expedition. Putting this markup on Scottish National Antarctic Expedition#Second voyage, 1904: ] is enough. Vitaium (talk) 09:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Subst and delete. It seems the template was created to stop vandalism of this photo, but I'm in the mind that if that happens, the entire article should be protected, instead of moving content from the article to outside pages which makes the overall editing and watching experience worse. Gonnym (talk) 11:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


December 25

Template:Recuse from closing a discussion

Per WP:TFD#REASONS #3, this template is not in use and its use is unlikely to be adopted. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2021 GAA Minor Star Awards Hurling Team of the Year

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1950

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Minor Football Team 1962

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Minor Football Team 1963

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Under-21 Football Team 1967

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Junior Hurling Team 1952

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Carlow Hurling Team 1992

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Clare Minor Hurling Team 2023

Not a single player has an article, only the staff The Banner talk 17:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2023

Not a single player has an article, only the staff. The Banner talk 17:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Galway Junior Hurling Team 1996

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 17:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2007 UMass Minutemen football navbox

Only national championship seasons get navboxes, not random seasons. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Galway Intermediate Hurling Team 1999

Not the highest level, insufficient links to player articles The Banner talk 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Minor Hurling Team 1934

Single use template, just two links to player articles. The Banner talk 12:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Indian cricket seasons

Most of the stuff on this navbox have their own navboxes as well. No navigational purposes for all of these together. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Infobox US political party

Propose merging Template:Infobox US political party with Template:Infobox political party.
Nothing special with the US version of this template A1Cafel (talk) 07:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. I originally created a different template because it was different from the current one, but I found a way to code the template so that it can be merged with the current one and change its appearance if one adds a certain piece of code in the source editor.
All that would have to happen for it to be merged is the piece of code which I added being copied over—the pages which currently have the template wouldn’t be affected, as the template would only change it’s appearance if one adds a section for “background”.
If any of this is confusing or if you need me to point out which piece of code it is, please let me know.
Thanks! RiverMan18 (talk) 20:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Support. I wasn't even aware US political parties used a different template as they're functionally and visually identical. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 23:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
The template is unused as of right now—I created it before I knew that I could code the template in such a way that it could be merged with the current template. (I’m sorry—I should have done more research before creating the template). RiverMan18 (talk) 00:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
What does your version add to the template? – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 02:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
It adds a parameter which, if it has a value, alters the header of the template. An example can be seen here. RiverMan18 (talk) 02:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Would this impact existing infoboxes? Would this introduce the undocumented parameter to regular infoboxes? If not, oppose. ManOfDirt (talk) 00:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
This would only impact the political party infobox and would only result in the parameter being added to that infobox. Adding a value to the parameter would change the way the page name is displayed on the infobox (an example can be seen here). RiverMan18 (talk) 00:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
I would also support merging Template:Infobox Indian political party with Template:Infobox political party, and any other country specific political party infoboxes to our general political party infobox, for conformity. Completely Random Guy (talk) 00:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Support. USA one should be deleted, new parameters should be added to the Political Party Infobox if non-intrusive. More documentation and information on this is needed. Just don't want it intrusively effecting Australian Political Party Infoboxes DirectorDirectorDirector (talk) 11:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Yemen Labelled Map

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Annie Awards for Best Limited Series

Only two links. Award was created in 2022 and so far only two winners. Wait until after four or five series have been awarded. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2025 World Weightlifting Championships

All links outside the title article are redirects. The event does not take place until October 2025. Can be recreated when there are articles. Created way too early. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The template has future use and currently the articles are blanked and will be brought back. It's way too early but a sport event can exist an year before. Sid Prayag (talk) 12:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
We don't keep templates for future use. It either will be used now or not. We don't create templates preemptively. It either has article to navigate to or it doesn't. This doesn't. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


December 24

Template:Race and the United States presidency

No mainspace article that relates to the subject of the navbox. Pretty much could be seen as a random collection of racial issues concerning American presidencies. Has overlap with articles on Template:United States policy for Native American policy but even those articles are not classified as a racial policy under a category of relation or in a subcat.

And articles such as A More Perfect Union (speech) has nothing to do with Obama's presidency. Because it took place before he was president while he was running for president in 2008. I think this template falls into the OR category. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Summerslam 2024 (fan made)

Unused table. Not used at SummerSlam (2024) which uses completely different data. Gonnym (talk) 12:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kotlin version history table

Unused. No similar table at Kotlin (programming language), so if wanted there, subst this table there and delete template. If not wanted, just delete. Gonnym (talk) 12:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:CBSB yearly record subtotal

Unused college baseball table template. Gonnym (talk) 11:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:CFB DII Yearly Record End/footnotes

Unused college football table template. Gonnym (talk) 11:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:CFB Yearly Record Entry/Division II

Unused college football table template. Gonnym (talk) 11:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:CBB schedule entry/sandbox3

Old and unused non-main sandbox. Gonnym (talk) 11:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2025 EAFF E-1 Football Championship Preliminary Competition Table A

Unused as 2025 EAFF E-1 Football Championship uses different tables. Gonnym (talk) 10:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2025 EAFF E-1 Football Championship (women) table A

Unused as 2025 EAFF E-1 Football Championship (women) uses different tables. Gonnym (talk) 10:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:European premiere

Unused image icon. Should also not really be used as it's too small to be of any help. Gonnym (talk) 10:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Vaiņode Municipality

Unused. Seems to have been replaced with Template:South Kurzeme Municipality. Gonnym (talk) 10:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. --Cuvaj (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Pāvilosta Municipality

Unused. Seems to have been replaced with Template:South Kurzeme Municipality. Gonnym (talk) 10:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. --Cuvaj (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Priekule Municipality

Unused. Seems to have been replaced with Template:South Kurzeme Municipality. Gonnym (talk) 10:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. --Cuvaj (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Pp-arb

I can't find a discussion which lead to this newly created protection template. I'd like to see any evidence this is actually needed. Gonnym (talk) 10:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Grobiņa Municipality

Unused. Seems to have been replaced with Template:South Kurzeme Municipality. Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. --Cuvaj (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ethiopia Monument header

Unused Ethiopian monument table related templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Dundaga Municipality

Unused. Seems to have been replaced with Template:Talsi Municipality. Gonnym (talk) 10:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. --Cuvaj (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Durbe Municipality

Unused. Seems to have been replaced with Template:South Kurzeme Municipality. Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. --Cuvaj (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Chembox 3DMet/format

Unused sub-template (the usage count shown on the /doc is unrelated as it is a shared documentation page). Gonnym (talk) 10:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


December 23

Template:Tipperary Minor Hurling Team 1935

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Minor Hurling Team 1960

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Minor Hurling Team 1929

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Junior Hurling Team 1931

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Montenegro in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest

Navbox which, beside the parent article, has no relevant articles to provide navigation to which are not redirects, e.g. Montenegro in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. No articles to navigate between. Grk1011 (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Galway Intermediate Hurling Team 2005

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kilnadeema-Leitrim Hurling Team 2014

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Nsb next flytog

Unused. Stations were converted to use Module:Adjacent stations/Flytoget. Gonnym (talk) 12:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Indonesia

Foreseeable that the scope of this template will become too broad (see Russia and France), and thus has been partitioned in three. DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 11:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Overseas Ryukyuan

Before any of my recent edits to the articles listed in this navbox, only four of the nine Wikilinks (excluding the "Related" section, which are not the main targets) linked to an article, while the rest linked to category pages. Two of the four articles contained only material copied from older revisions of Ryukyuan diaspora or unsourced / unreliably-sourced material (e.g. "Samurai Wiki"). I thus merged those two articles (Ryukyuan Americans and Ryukyuans in Brazil) to Ryukyuan diaspora, as all three articles were stubs and mirrors of each other. In its current state, the navbox really only has three proper articles: Ryukyuan diaspora, Okinawans in Hawaii, and Japanese Bolivians, which only partially discusses Ryukyuans (Okinawans). It seems rather unnecessary to keep this navbox as it would only list two articles if all the categories, redirects, and "related" articles were removed. The remaining three articles could link to each other in their respective body paragraphs or in "See also" sections. Yue🌙 10:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

那好吧！也許可以比照在Template:British diaspora的Cornish diaspora相關條目，把Ryukyuan diaspora、Ainu diaspora的相關條目合併到Template:Japanese diaspora.Nkywvuong (talk) 11:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Delete. In its current state the navigation template has no main articles (not those listed in the "related" section) to navigate to and from. Gonnym (talk) 15:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 2014

Single use template The Banner talk 05:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Beaufort Football Team 2019

Single use template The Banner talk 05:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 2019

Single use template The Banner talk 05:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:All-Ireland Colleges Interprovincial Hurling Championship

Single use tmplate The Banner talk 05:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Offaly Under-21 Football Team 1988

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wicklow Senior Hurling Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Carbery Junior A Football Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Carbery Junior A Hurling Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:North Cork Junior A Hurling Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:East Cork Junior A Hurling Championship

Single use template The Banner talk 05:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Mid Cork Junior A Hurling Championship

Single use template The Banner talk 05:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:St Catherine's Hurling Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tullogher-Rosbercon Hurling Team 2024

Single us template The Banner talk 05:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Castlelyons Hurling Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Thomastown Hurling Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Hurling Team 1968

Single use template The Banner talk 05:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Hurling Team 1969

Single use template The Banner talk 05:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Cill na Martra Football Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Carbery Rangers Football Team 2004

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:2022 GAA Minor Star Awards Hurling Team of the Year

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 05:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


December 22

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2005

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Down Hurling Team 2020

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Trondheim tramway next

Unused rail succession template, now migrated to {{adjacent stations}}. Taavi (talk!) 16:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Good job. Gonnym (talk) 11:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Down Hurling Team 2019

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:All-Ireland Under-20 B Football Championship

Single use template The Banner talk 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:All-Ireland Minor Football Championship Tier 2

Single use template The Banner talk 16:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:All-Ireland Minor Football Championship Tier 3

Single use template The Banner talk 16:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Death with dignity

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in October 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Difficult case You can only hope that this template stays unused. The Banner talk 16:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Delete, even if it were used. We already have one linked above, and I won't be surprised if we have more variants. Gonnym (talk) 17:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kildare Hurling Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Minor Hurling Team 2015

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Under-21 Hurling Team 2017

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Minor Hurling Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 2024

Single use template The Banner talk 14:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tyrone Junior Football Team 1968

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Donegal Senior Hurling Championship

Single use template The Banner talk 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Waterford minor hurling team managers

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Premier Intermediate Football Championship

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Junior Football Team 1999

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Armagh Minor Football Team 1951

Single use template The Banner talk 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Garrymore Football Team 1982

Single use template The Banner talk 14:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Meath Senior Hurling Championship

Single use template The Banner talk 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Donegal Hurling Team 2024

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Naas hurling Team 2022

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Meath Senior B Hurling Championship

Single use template The Banner talk 14:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Limerick Premier Junior A Hurling Championship

Single use template. WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Junior A Hurling Championship

Single use template but no active links at all. The Banner talk 14:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Kilcormac–Killoughey Hurling Team 2013

WP:NENAN, this is in fact a team-template for a lost final. The Banner talk 14:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tooreen Hurling Team 2023

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tynagh-Abbey/Duniry Hurling Team 2025

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Current iPadOS 17/short

Unused. The parent template now has a switch after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I am the person who converted to the new functionally and deleting this subsidiary was part of the plan; now that the main’s new function is up and running there is no need for the short version. — HTGS (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Current iPadOS/date

Unused. The parent template now has a switch after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 12:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I am the creator; this was an alternate functionality explored before settling on the parent template’s current design. — HTGS (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Canadian U-17 Players of the Year

Unused navboxes which were replaced with Template:Canada Soccer Young Players of the Year. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Latest preview software release/Babylon.js

Unused software release version templates. Gonnym (talk) 11:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:YYYY in one of the Thirteen Colonies/inner core

Unused sub templates of Template:YYYY in one of the Thirteen Colonies. Gonnym (talk) 11:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Java mobile

Unused. Template:Java (software platform) should be the one used on any related article. Gonnym (talk) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Category importance/column

Unused sub templates now that the parent template was converted to use Lua here Gonnym (talk) 11:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Category class/column

Unused sub templates now that the parent template was converted to use Lua here. Gonnym (talk) 11:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:1900–01 Copa Macaya table

Recently created and unused as 1900–01 Copa Macaya, 1901–02 Copa Macaya, 1902–03 Catalan Football Championship, and 1928–29 Campionat de Catalunya use a different table, but should also not be used as the current setup is the stadnard one. Gonnym (talk) 11:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Navbox musical artist/color

Deprecated and replaced by templatestyles. Dabao qian (talk) 07:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Turkish Figure Skating Championships

Two links = pointless template. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Only 2010 has an article. Articles should be created before navboxes. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Serbian Figure Skating Championships

Nothing but redlinks. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Articles should be created before navboxes. Gonnym (talk) 09:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


December 21

Template:Warning archive notice

This template is pejorative and it encourages archiving IP addresses which is no longer done. For archived IP talk pages that do exist, this template can either be replaced with {{archives|banner=yes}}, or the template itself can be redirected to {{archives}} without any loss in functionality. Rjj (talk) 17:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Carter G. Woodson Book Award winners

Spot the blue link in an ocean of black... I cannot see how this much unlinked text can provide any meaningful or useful navigational function. There isn't even a list article on the subject. --woodensuperman 13:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. The more recent entries tend to have links for their authors if not titles, and the template is divided into sections so the oldest ones need not be displayed. The template could be updated to further divide by decade, to reduce the number of displayed entries. Why is existence of a matching list article considered a factor in whether a nav box should exist? A guideline notes their complementary nature, and the irrelevance of deleting one based on presence of another. I don't believe absence should be a factor in deletion either. —ADavidB 16:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Please see WP:EXISTING, WP:WTAF and all the points of WP:NAVBOX, specifically point #4. There should definitely be an article before we even consider a navbox, not least for WP:VERIFIABILITY reasons, and considering how little linked text there is, we should leave it there, because this is useless for navigation. It would be far more useful as a list with context. --woodensuperman 16:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
A Carter G. Woodson Book Award article now exists. —ADavidB 03:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or delete now that Carter G. Woodson Book Award has been created?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ 15:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Still delete. It performs minimal navigation, and now we have the article, anyone really interested can navigate that way. --woodensuperman 15:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ethnic groups in Taiwan

Botch job of merging multiple navboxes. This is not how we use navboxes. --woodensuperman 15:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you show me the manual how to use navboxes? Can you show me the section of the manual telling that this is not how navboxes should be used? Do you expect people to maintain multiple navboxs with huge conceptual overlaps? Leoshuo (talk) 15:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestions. Nevertheless, after thoroughly reading WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, I understand that it is entirely your personal preference that relevant navboxes cannot be incorporated into other navboxes. After reading WP:SMALLTEXT, I understand that I did not make any mistake against it. Misplaced Pages:NOTHERE is a strong allegation. Please try to carefully use those allegations. I have agreed that the template for White English-speaking people should be deleted. That was a navbox I made in an earlier stage, but I am satisfied that all other navboxes I created are necessary and consistent with their main articles. I would like to talk with the Administrators for those issues. I appreciate that you have plenty of time and energy, and I would love to see you making more good-quality articles Leoshuo (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Note. Above editor who created the navbox has been blocked. --woodensuperman 08:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Honestly think the navbox looks fine from a grouping perspective, ignoring that it's failing to use the correct navbox facilities here (which do exist). I tend toward a keep. Izno (talk) 20:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
    It's not really the way to go about things though, if it is appropriate a full merge should be considered rather than this messy nesting which does not consider full WP:BIDIRECTIONALity. Also note that the creator of this template has been blocked for making exactly these kind of edits. --woodensuperman 08:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ 15:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I have overhauled the template. Keep, pending review. DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 14:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:C.F. União squad

This club was expelled from its league, closed down and liquidated in court three years ago . This squad template is not only outdated but obsolete as an extinct entity cannot have a "current squad" ever again. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in France

Foreseeable that the scope of this template will become too broad (see Russia), and thus has been partitioned in three. DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 10:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Last Kings Records

Last Kings Records is non-notable and now a redirect to Tyga. Last kings entertainment was already a redirect to Last Kings Records. "Hollywood Niggaz" is a redirect to The Gold Album: 18th Dynasty. The only links here that aren't redirects are Tyga and Fan of a Fan: The Album, both of which are already included in Template:Tyga, leaving this redundant and with too few links to justify its inclusion. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Rainbow Six Siege series

Unnecessary sidebar with links to only three standalone articles, one of which is the game itself. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 02:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Old discussions

December 20

Template:EIN

This template does not seem to give any useful information; the /doc itself says that the search only works in certain circumstances, and I checked about half o the extant uses and none of them give a result. Unless it can be fixed I figure this template should probably be deleted. Primefac (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Just noting that I've thought about it and would be okay with it being a typing aid template. Primefac (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
I've written a user script to make clicking on EINs on Misplaced Pages display all the resolvers on Wikidata. The script is at User:Daask/MultiResolver. Daask (talk) 02:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Articles by Quality

Propose merging Template:Articles by Quality with Template:Category class.
These two templates seem to do similar job, with slightly different styling. I suggest we merge them. I slightly prefer the styling of {{Articles by Quality}} but that might be my bias because I wrote that template in 2008. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

December 19

Template:Heavy Moss

Only one album and two notable singles to their name. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose still serves as a hub for all links for the band. Scuba 14:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
The article Heavy Moss does that job quite well already! And the articles are well linked, you can link to the band, the album and each of the singles from each and every article. This simply isn't needed. --woodensuperman 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 19:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Weak keep. The template currently links to the band, an album, a bandmember, a song, another song, and a related band. The essay at WP:NENAN discourages a "template will include a link to one album, one single, and list all the band members when none of them is individually notable enough for a standalone article", but this just barely clears that bar, and with the related band just clears that essay's recommended bare minimum of 5 linked articles. It also does not seem to have any conflicts with the guideline WP:NAVBOX. I personally don't think this template is very useful, but don't see a policy/guideline-based rationale to delete it. Rjj (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Film writer templates

This writer-specific navbox violates WP:FILMNAV, which says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This navbox is causing exactly the problem that WP:FILMNAV warns about. Erik (talk | contrib) 22:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose. I think that in the majority of these cases the writers concerned could be considered primary creators of the material in question. I don't think bundling these nominations together is helpful, as they should each be looked at on their own merit. I'd be more concerned with the producer navboxes, espectially these days when films seem to have about a dozen producers. I'm sure I've advocated for limiting this to director roles only in the dark and murky past, but I seem to recall that "primary creator" was the compromise. What is auteur theory anyway? ;) --woodensuperman 11:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
    I looked at all the examples, and there were none where they were always the primary creator. Are you suggesting limiting it to works where they are only the primary creator? I feel like if we don't pay attention, editors will mindlessly fill out (or restore) all credits, like the now-blocked MolAnneFinnBall567 did. It seems to be better to be all or nothing. It's not like there is zero access to writing credits; their names are always in the infobox and ideally the article body too. It's about whether or not we need yet another navbox at the very end of the article, and writers and producers are rarely the exclusive sole drivers of creativity across all their works. Erik (talk | contrib) 12:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
    I think these have been concerns for nearly a decade! See Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 11#RFC: Filmography navboxes. --woodensuperman 13:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete I think categories serve best than the navboxes. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep the Fusco navbox at the least, don't mind deleting the others. I've been following this discussion for a while, and considering the script is the second-most essential to a film (even more so than producers and actors), I feel a case can be made for keeping those who in almost all cases act solo, unlike guys like McKenna and Sommers (who would often be part of a team of six, thus cheapening their creative role too much to be primary). In Fusco's case, almost every work (save The Shack (2017 film), with two other writers) had him work solo - and there are 15 - so there is far less of an issue keeping him than the others. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
    Hi I’m finally back, now I just want to let everyone know that I created these templates because I wanted to add more variety with each Misplaced Pages navbox, so all I’m saying is just, please, don’t delete any of these. MolAnneFinnBall567 (talk) 23:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Look filmmaker is a very collaborative process, movies have a lot of different people working on them, so just crediting to directed works only is honestly just generic. I get that it violates WP:FILMNAV, but I didn’t know. MolAnneFinnBall567 (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
The problem is that if we have navboxes for every production role, then we end up with WP:NAVBOXCREEP. We need to draw a line. Hence WP:FILMNAV calls for only primary creator roles. Picking Monsters vs. Aliens as an example, this has five writers and two directors. If each had their own navbox, we could end up with six navboxes for writers and directors alone (not to mention the other three). And with this many writers, could any of them be really considered a primary creator? Also, as only two of the writers have navboxes, this could be considered WP:UNDUE for the others without navboxes. --woodensuperman 11:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Completed discussions

A list of completed discussions that still require action taken on the template(s) — for example, a merge between two infoboxes — can be found at the "Holding Cell".

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