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ये जरूरी नहीं है कि भारतीय सेना ने ही इसकी शुरुआत करी |पर यै बहुत जरूरी है आज के इस कल युग में इंसायनियत
खत्म हो गई है|मै रोहित कश्यप एक कश्यप परिवार का लडका हुं| कश्यप जाति के लोगों को ॠषि कश्यप का बशंज माना जाता है|इन्ही ऋषि के नाम से आज कश्मीर का नाम है|कश्मीर भारत की नहीं बल्कि पुरे विश्व कई खुबसूरत स्थानो मे से एक माना जाता है| परन्तु आज ऐसा बक्त आ गया है कि हिन्दुस्तान ओर पाकिस्तान के बीच का हिस्सा एक कश्मीर बन गया है|जो सिर्फ इन देशों के कारण ही इतने जूल्म सह रहा है| कश्मीर का इतिहास न दुनिया जानती है| ओर भारत ओर पाकिस्तान मै बैठे लोग| पर बहां के लोग उन सहे हुए जुल्मो को अच्छी तरह से जानते है| की बो जूल्म किसने किए | पर आज भी लोग शांत हैं| कुछ अपने बिते हुए कल से तो कुछ खोफ से| कई आतकंवादीयो ने बहा कि पडिंती महिलाओं के साथ बल्तकार किए| ओर कई लोगों को बेहरहमी से मार डाला| पर भारतीय सैनिकों को ये कार्य करना सोभा नहीं देता| सेना को लोगों कि रक्षा के लिए रखा जाता है,न कि उनके साथ बल्तकार करने के लिए या दुसरो की इज्जत के साथ खेलने के लिए| ये कभी भी इंसानियत का रूप नहीं दिखाती बल्कि हैबानियत का रूप दिखाती है|...


== Load of Nonsense (Horse.S) ==
== Estimates ==


. Undiluted Bakwas (tr. 'Nonsense' in Hindi) ...
{{ping|Problematics}} Hey mate. Since you reinstated the Khurram Parvez's figure of 7,000, it turns out that that content was actually added by me initially in . But later as I said in , it occurred to me that his estimate might also have been misled like the ones of Amit Ranjan and Seema Kazi, as both of them misinterpreted this source - . Also Khurram Parvez does not specify/clarify if he was mentioning war rapes, and more importantly, he offers no clues as to the source or basis of his calculations. Now we have no other reliable sources that give figures close to Khurram Parvez's estimate. So I don't think its constructive to have that mention in the article. Pinging {{ping|Kautilya3}} if he is interested to take a look on this. Regards, ] (]) 08:26, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
. Even if a single conscientious Army officer, or soldier (Jawan) becomes aware of a subordinate, troop member or brother Officer who has indulged in what one considers very poor OLQ; and its is reported. All hell would break loose. Its a court martial offense, and unlike US and British Armies with their Code Reds and one eye closed, policies, theI dian Army is a professional Army with a stellar record both in territorial and extra territorial peace keeping efforts.
:Hi there Tyler. I was reading Parvez's interview on Scroll.in and this is what he said;
. Even if the paltan (Battallion or Army Unit) closes rank (again impossible to keep a lid on) to prevent leakage of what would be a smirch on their flag and code of izzat; its the end of that blokes days with the Army. Even the culprits Company Officer gets rebuked and his record scarred.
. I have always been amazed by Gang rapes and child rapes. How does one maintain an erection, let alone get excited to have one. But deviant psychopaths and screening to prevent, entry of such individuals into the ranks apart; the checks and balances in both war and peace efforts and areas are time tested and standardised to make such trangressing event, very difficult to execute.
. A stray incident of an improperly supervised platoon member, forcing himself on a woman may happen very rarely. However very difficult to imagine and only if that poor soldier has a role where he is constantly mingling with civilians.
. But reports of using Gun point and gang raping unwilling civilians, is just BS
. Mingling with civilians may result in affairs and some unsavoury military behaviour. But mostly from soldiers being seduced or in turn making false promises of marriage etc. Just like regular civilian behaviour but in much smaller percentages!! 🙂
. Do barbaric Sharia laws prevent adultery or cheating. I would believe not, but the percentage or proportion compared to more humanely governed (English Law?) is definitely less. The analogy is thattheArmy man is regukated by Arny Actwhich allows for exemary and timely punishment for infarctions.
. And the very few possible instances of rape would have resulted in summary dismissal and alllwing the law of the labd ro run its x
Course. J&K has been for long a political battleground for mercenary populists; and international pseudo-evangelists (looking to make a quick buck in the name of Human Rights) and joudnalists in search of their el dorado story, where any kite can fly. Akin to US protecting their Oil interests under the garb of Human emancipation in Turbanned Sheikhdoms.
. Complete Hogwash. ] (]) 09:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


Every army in the world claims to be professional, not just the Indian army. Moreover, almost every big army of the world has been accused of violating human rights (including war-time rapes) at least at some point of time in the history... The facts in this article can be varified form simple Google searches...Being good citizens of India, we should in fact acknowledge all those crimes (which are backed with sufficient evidences) and make sure that no such incidents happen again.
:{{talkquote|According to '''our''' estimates of sexualised and gendered violence, there are 7,000 cases.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://scroll.in/article/812010/do-you-need-700000-soldiers-to-fight-150-militants-kashmiri-rights-activist-khurram-parvez|title='Do you need 700,000 soldiers to fight 150 militants?': Kashmiri rights activist Khurram Parvez|last=Ashraf|first=Ajaz|work=Scroll.in|access-date=2017-04-21|language=en-US}}</ref>}}
⚫ ] (]) 15:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2022 ==
:So this is the estimate of JKCCS in context of the conflict and not the government registration figures (which include non-war rape) quoted by Kazi and Ranjan.
:This source also lends credence to that 7000 is the total of cases '''documented''' by JKCCS.<ref>{{cite news|title=Women’s Resistance in Kashmir|url=https://www.awid.org/news-and-analysis/womens-resistance-kashmir|work=AWID|date=22 February 2017|language=en}}</ref> ] (]) 08:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
:: Well, if they *documented* 7000 cases, then its totally fine. I will have to admit that I'm quite shocked to see such a huge number! If possible, can you dig up the corresponding content in the original report from the JKCCS site - . I'm not able to find it. From the 'main report' in that link, I could only find this:
:: {{talkquote|Prepared over two years, this report is a part of the continuing work to understand and analyze the role of the Indian State in Jammu and Kashmir that has resulted in widespread and systematic violence including the disappearance of 8000+ persons, 70,000+ deaths, 6000+ unknown, unmarked and mass graves, and ''countless cases of torture and sexual violence''.}}
⚫ :: Cheers, ] (]) 11:11, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


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Islamic militants used rape of non-muslim women specially Hindu women as tactics of war against India and to do jihad against majority community, because islamic militants whose ancestors were also got converted by Islamic tyrants thought kashmir originally belongs to Islamists and no kaffir Or kuffar can rule there.


Those Islamic militants started to identify non-muslim women and kept harassing them at the start of complete Islamization of middle-east, because they believed that non-muslims from the kashmir would get hurt by these incidents and they immediately flee from the kashmir.
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Islamic militants from the kashmir and Pakistan did rape of kashmiri Muslim and non-muslim women while wearing dress of Indian Army. Their supporter from communists parties twisted this fact and used as a propaganda against Indian Army and Indian ] (]) 13:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Found that this article is fork of an already redirected article , kindly don't recreate unless you have consensus for it. ] (]) 15:32, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Kautilya3}} have you read the edit summary of mine of this section? I have also notified on the noticeboard. ] (]) 15:58, 23 April 2017 (UTC) :] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 13:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
While I agree that Islamic militants have a history of raping Hindu women and Jihad against Hindus, there is no evidence that those were Islamic militants dressed in Indian army.] (]) 12:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


== Neutrality and clarification on 'Kashmir conflict' == == Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2023 ==


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See ], ''"The Kashmir conflict is a territorial conflict primarily between India and Pakistan, having started just after the partition of India in 1947."'' While whole ] was India only. If we are going to include anything about Pakistan which is necessary since its 'Kashmir conflict', I think it would be neutral. ] (]) 16:22, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
ACCUSING THE INDIAN ARMY OF ORCHESTRATING MASS RAPES IS AN UTTER TRAVESTY. CORRECT THIS CONTENT RIGHT AWAY. ] (]) 18:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> seems pretty well sourced. feel free to check out some of the citations linked in the article ] (]) 18:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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While I agree that Islamic militants have a history of raping Hindu women and Jihad against Hindus, there is no evidence that those were Islamic militants dressed in Indian army.Thelordofsword (talk) 12:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

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ACCUSING THE INDIAN ARMY OF ORCHESTRATING MASS RAPES IS AN UTTER TRAVESTY. CORRECT THIS CONTENT RIGHT AWAY. 103.57.236.55 (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: seems pretty well sourced. feel free to check out some of the citations linked in the article Cannolis (talk) 18:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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