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	==The user ] is not following Wikiepedia Directives for discussions and NPOV==
	Regarding ] article I have asked the user to come for specific points that are not acceptable. But he is showing his anti-Buddhist mindset ans it not open for any discussions. Wiki Administrators except ] and ] ] please take note of this. ] 16:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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	I read your anti-Buddhist comments on the article. It is better you concentrate on Hindu Religion, Caste System and Untouchability. That is your religion. Buddhism is a religion based on Equality, Liberty and Fraternity. It is difficult for ] ] ] people like you to understand Buddhism and its great heritage. You people are caste ridden and you have forgotten your own ]-Ashram Dharma. Understanding all religions with their good and bad sides is a good key for religious peace and harmony. Don't be anti-Buddhist Or anti-Christens because these people convert others. Better understand good and bad things of your religion before you blame others. Because of Hindu Casteism and Hindu Untouchability many oppressed people are converting to Buddhims and Christenity. ] 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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	All so called Hindus must ask a simple question to their own heart 'Which ] they belong?' Especially as per Hindu philosophy every Hindu is a Shudra by birth and only by Karma he can change his Varna. So those who are not priests in Temples are not ]s by ], Those who are not in Military are not ] those who are not businessman are not ] so majority belongs to ] Varna. So Mr. Kelkar ] like you should understand your own religion first. Especillay this is ] so all non-priests are Shudra! What is wrong? Its a VarnaShram Dharma preached by ] and ] like ] etc. So in next birth you will certainly become Brahmin. So don't just be anti-Buddhist Or anti-Muslim understand your own religion first. Even ] mentions ] castiesm by Karma etc. Please read the book Shudras who were they? Riddles In Hinduism written by Dr. ] for more information. Be a positive contributor don't try to hide the truths. All so called Hindus are ] then its not a wrong thing. They can certainly become ] by doing good ]. That is Karma Yog by Geeta. ] 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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			'''Immediate Work Needed'''
			The following articles have been ruined by racist wikipedians with misrepresented citations and fake references
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	:Ambedkar is not an authority on Hinduism. Swami Vivekanand, Koenraad elst, etc are.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 01:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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	::Bodhisattva Dr. Ambedkar has single handedly and non-voilently led a ] revival movement in Indis with ] and his strong philosophical weapons. In world Buddhist Conference in 1954 the ] world awarded him the second highest title in ] i.e. ]. He faught against Hindu Caste System and Hindu Unotuchability forever his life. So his views on Hinduism are more relevant to understand the present ]. ] 12:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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	== Copied from my talkpage re ] ==

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	:Please regard ] and ] regading your last post to my talk page. Thanks.] 22:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
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	::Wasn't Nehru a Kashmiri Pandit? That makes him Hindu by default. I did not see any coherent arguments to suggest his athiesm (just one section in the talk page that said "search google"; I did and found no credible evidence to suggest a declaration of athiesm).I did not see any argunemts in the talk page archive either.Care to point me in the direction of any talk page argument or debate to that effect?] 02:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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	:::(1) Please note, in general, that henceforth the religion people were born into, especially for twentieth century figures, cannot be taken as being the religion for WP purposes unless we can cite their self-identification. (2) IF you had read the article itself, much less the talk page, you would have seen two fairly anti-religion quotes in the quotes section. If the first page of google results were not enough for you - surprising enough - try google books for explicit references. THe point is, you did neither, merely removed a long-standing element in the page without checking. (3) I fail to see how pointing this out and noting that it is something that will lead to assumptions by others about your willingness to take the time to check your edits is a violation of any WP policy. Please stop throwing all this around. ] 06:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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	Unfortunately I have had to remove the speedy tags as it does not qualify as an attack page (nor for any CSD criteria). Your only recourse is to file an ] - sorry for the inconvenience - ] 13:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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	Very well done on the ] article. ] <sup>]</sup> 05:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

	==]==
	Look at this diff from the dude writing the "Hindu cate system" stuff .] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 00:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

	==Hinduism as an Ethnicity==
	Please abstain from mentioning Hinduism as ethnicity as the literate world recognises Hinduism as religion and not as ethnicity..and wherever you mention that write also why and on whose authority do you write Hinduism as an ethnicity.] 00:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
	::Cite sources that explicitly debunk the use of Hindu as an ethnicity.] 03:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

			==Material for Muslim Caste System and Fatwa-i-Jahandari in ]==
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			#Arthashastra of Kautilya and Fatawa-i-Jahandari of Ziauddin Barani : an analysis / by Arbind Das.
			#The political theory of the Delhi sultanate: Including a translation of Ziauddin Barani's Fatawa-i Jahandari, circa, 1358-9 A.D by Mohammad Habib
			#Foundations of Indian Political Thought by V.R. Mehta
			#Ideology, Modernization and Politics of India by V.R. Mehta

	Why did you make this when I already pointed out that it's in the 9th paragraph? ] <sup>]</sup> 03:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Upanishad ==

	Please point me to the discussion that you refer to . — ] ] 18:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

			==Extra material for Christian Castes in ]==
	:More discussion can take place. Please do not delete the template again. — ] ] 22:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
			# http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IET20030413133514&Topic=&Title=This%20is%20India&Page=O
			# http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/10/stories/2004041010410300.htm
			# http://www.dalitchristians.com/Html/DCLMtocbci.htm
			#The Lopsided Spread of Christianity: Toward an Understanding of the Diffusion of Religions By Robert L. Montgomery
			#Caste and Christianity: Attitudes and Policies on Caste of Anglo-Saxon Protestant Missions in India. by Duncan B. Forrester Journal of Asian Studies, Vol. 41, No. 4 (Aug., 1982), pp. 865-866
			==Extra material for Latin American Caste system in ]==
			#Caste in a peasant society by Marvin Tumin
			#Human tradition in colonial Latin America by K. Andrien (establishes history)
			#Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America by J Chasteen
			#Latin American Civilization: History and Society, 1492 to the Present B. Keen (clearly mentions caste system)
			#Race and Nation in Modern Latin America by James Herriot et al. Talks about caste system today

			==DYK's==
	Right now i have my midsem papers. Anyways, i dont have much knowledge about the subject but i will try to help you out once my papers are over.]] 16:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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			] put a strong effort on ] - ] ] 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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			== Barnstars ^_^ ==
	Thanks for that. He's done this before, though I didn't report him then. I guess it had to stop sometime.] 20:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

			], hereby award you the '''Exceptional Newcomer''' award for your contributions to ]-related articles. Good job!]]
	== Islam and the Sikh panth ==
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	:I believe it was his younger brother, but I'm not 100% certain. I'll try to look it up.] 16:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


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			For all the crap you go through.--] 18:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


			== ] ==

			interesting discussion --] 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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			"South Asian Caste System" anyone? <b>] </b>] 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

			== Re: BAd Faith Assumptions ==

			Dear HKelkar, first of all thanks for pointing me to the ] and ]. I will keep them in mind. But please note that the article in question, has no reference to caste based struggle as discussed on ]. I suggest keeping in mind the facts we should try to remove the misinterpretation of facts. ] 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

			:: Dear Hkelkar as per the article the crime has indeed been committed by dalit party activists, but where is the point of caste based struggle in it, see the news paper report ]. Didn't we discuss all this on talk page of the article in question. The article already has many short comings, why induce another. Thanks and looking for your kind cooperation ] 18:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

			::Dear HKelkar, thanks for pointing me to ], I agree there should be no whitewashing under any circumstances to present a rosy picture. But the caste based angle in the article in question is more of criminal nature; and the power, the criminals in them, assert is that they are part of a political entity, maybe governed by people in power, who need their muscles during elections and for gathering crowds, and in return will save the criminals from the law of the land. Then by this yard stick all and any crimes committed by any one belonging to any caste, political party for whatever reason would merit a mention in the article. Just because the world caste/ ambedkar/ dalit appears in the news should not merit its mention, as I still cant see any relation to caste struggle here. ] 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

			:::If a balanced view is required, then why not put up something that is actually related to article and has some element of caste struggle. What about this in a balanced manner ] in place of what is already there. I request you to present some mention of real caste struggle and not crimes by (substitute your favorite word here dalit/ brahmin/ upper caste etc). Cheers ] 19:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
			:::And what about removing the section in question.] 19:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
			:::Thanks. ] 19:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

			== ] ==

			Kind of amusing.--] 02:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

			== Thanks HKelkar. ==

			Thanks HKelkar, I am short of words to describe the wrongs. There are some websites which allege that Hindu religion has it's roots in christainity. This is sufficiently irritating. Some anonymous editer included these (external) website links in the article. Which I removed. The same found place on talk page, seeking permission for inclusion in article by the anonymous editor. I removed these links, as through subversive means, the links were placed for viewing who view the article. The discussion for inclusion was clearly opposed by all. I removed the links from talk page. There was no objection from anyone. After some days Abecedare restored the links. I remove them, he reverts and give me a 3RR notice. Then, he goes for admin community views. I fail to express and object to the subversive way. I fail to understand the intention of Abecedare. Should the Misplaced Pages policy conveniently interpreted and used for nefarious activities?

			] 04:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

			== New Rock Star ==

			Hi Hkelkar, I saw the article and the latest edits. We must try to constructively discuss the changes and work on improving the article. Currently, it looks in a mess. The section on Hindutva views and Dalit views is unreferenced and POV. Do all Dalits have the same view. And whose view is it actually. I think, we need a cited historical scholarly view.

			Anyway, we'll talk more on that. I have repaired the e-mail link. It's working now. Mail me. Bye for now. Keep rockin' --<b>]]] \| </b><b><sup>]</sup></b>/<b><sub>]</sub></b>\<b><sup>]</sup></b> 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

			'''Is this true''' HKelkar? I would never like anyone to be blocked for an year and would also not like someone to give such cause. God Bless You. ] 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)



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			'''Note:''' These refs are for my research purposes only, please do not type between them.
			:These should provide some perspective on why many Pakistani editors are arguing over Indian history on wikipedia.

			:'''''' in Pakistan:
			:''',Pakistan's NW Province Makes Quran Lessons Compulsory''' - From the Wall Street Journal

			:''':Islamic Fundamentalism and Brainwashing in Pakistan''' (news today)

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			== ArbComm ==

			Hi Hkelkar - there's a post at ] about your current editing - I've also sent you an email about it. It's probably best if the only editing you do is within your user-space, at least until December 19th. Just create sub-pages if you want, to work on additions to articles. Thanks <strong>]]]</strong> 19:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

			== ] ==

			This pak as been untagging indus valley with the indian tag on it. Could use some help on this. {{User\|Szhaider}} seems to be behind it. He takes the tag off harappa civilization and other indic historic sites as well.--] 21:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

			== Indian caste system ==

			I didn't realize there was more about mobility in the criticism section. Thanks for moving it up. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

			You have violated ] by removing part of what I just added, i.e. "individual mobility among castes was generally rare." I ask that you undo this. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
			:Nope, no 3RR here. I'll double check my edits though since you say that. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

			:Aw. He came back.--] 01:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

			::You problably should have called the FBI on him. I know I would have.--] 02:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

			== ] ==

			Voting on the use of indic scripts.--] 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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			]--] 04:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

			== ]? ==

			How does it work? {{User\|Szhaider}} is being a bit stubborn.--] 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

			== Warning regarding ] ==

			I have not protected the article, but be aware that excessive reversions of the article may lead to a 3RR block. Take the discussion to the talk page to avoid that. -- ''']''' 16:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

			== ] Mediation ==

			Please take a look at ] and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the ] article. Also, please sign below ''Parties' agreement to mediate'' stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- ''']''' 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

			]--] 05:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

			== 2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra ==

			No matter what Indian PC media calls it shouldnt it be titled ] raher than ]?

			P.S I was just being sarcastic on the other article!
			]<sup>]</sup> 20:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


			== Reversion ==
			Sorry mate, it looked like a deletion of material. You did nothing wrong and my reversion was accendental. Thanks for your understanding, ]]] <small><sup> ] . ] . ]</sup></small> 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

			== Your encouragement and supporting of users to add commentry... ==

			Do not encourage/support users to add commentary to wiki articles. I find it pretty I ironic you remove comments on talk-pages, which are directed at you, and consequently. You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles. Please do not do this. Or I will have to issue you a warning and also mention this in your RfA pending case. You should take a break from edition wiki articles for a few months. --] 15:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

			''You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles.''

			Look who's talking! Moveon chavboy People living in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others!
			]<sup>]</sup> 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

			==Indian Buddhist Revival==
			The people who are doing violence are low-caste-Hindus. They are not Buddhists. The India Buddhist population is less than 0.8%. So restrict yourself before making false claims. ] 15:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

			== 0_0 ==

			Intrguing...

			http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Hindushudra

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			http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Pkulkarni

			''I am a member of Sechdule Caste from India and <u>consider all Indians as Shudras</u>.''
			]<sup>]</sup> 19:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

			== السلام علیکم ==

			hello as-salam alaykum Hkelkar
			Please forgive me, English not is perfect. You seem to write many anti Islamic remarks and have bias viewpoint towards India & Israel. Please keep your biases off Misplaced Pages جزخ اللہ خیر <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

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			I'm sorry, personal attack? There was no personal attack, rather just a constructive criticism from one Misplaced Pages editor to another. Also, please refrain from deleting my posts on your talk page, as you do not own them. (You may archive this page, however.) Also, please remove your silly writings from my talk page. :) I hope you keep these (constructive) criticisms in mind!
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			for making personal attacks. ] 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

			== I was wondering ==

			Are you biased? Do you believe you are bias-free? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
			==Apology==
			Hkelkar, I'm very sorry I accused you of Wikistalking. It was poor judgement, a poor reading of Misplaced Pages policy, and in very bad faith.

			I also apologise for the initial comments I made. I assumed you were doing a complete hatchet job, I barely read the articles in question, and I misread them in my haste and uncalled-for anger to boot.

			Furthermore, I attempted to pit you and Ambroodey against your fellow editors. This was not only incredibly disruptive, but trollish on every level. I tried to use a painful topic for my own purposes and forced you to defend yourself.

			In reality, I have never treated you correctly. I should have responded to your second post to me as a good faith attempt to work with me. I didn't discuss the article with you, and try to work out any differences we had.

			I did these things out of my arrogance and ignorance of Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. What I did last night, however, is simply indefensible and wrong on a basic human level.

			Again, I humbly apolgise, and I sincerely pray for your happiness, if not forgiveness.

			] 08:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

			== Buddhism in modern India ==

			India Buddhist revival/Dalit Buddhist Movement/Buddhist Revival in India has been moved to ]. ] \| ] 15:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

			:As you might be aware that {{user\|Pkulkarni}} and his/her socks have been blocked (see ]). ] (with his sock accounts) was the only person opposed to an article with the title Dalit Buddhist movement or Ambedkarite Buddhism. Other involved parties such as ], ], ], and ] support for separate article about Dalit Buddhist movement. So, I've moved the article to ]. The content about non-Ambedkarite Buddhism has been removed and addded to ]. Sorry for all the confusion. I hope I'm finally fixing this. Thanks. ] \| ] 15:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			==Your recent changes in Gujarat Riots Page==
			What can one construe of your recent edits where <s> to HRW report</s> while you have added a blog on Sulekha to the article?Please change it back to the original title and remove the link to the Blog ] 21:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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			* Sorry for the first part - You did not change the title, I confused it from the edit hitsory ] 21:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
			* Sulekha claims itself to be a Networking,blogging site..So I don't know if I should agree to what you say..Check what others say..] 21:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
			::If you think SAAG is notable put it..don't threaten..] 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
			::* So finally, you have put that - did you read the fine print on that article - '''The writer is an undergraduate from Princeton University. The views expressed are his own. Contacted at e-mail: abahl@princeton.edu.''' <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] ] 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)• ]) 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			*On the economic boycott of Muslims you removed the whole set of links from UN,NDTV,Tribune India,The Hindu - Indian National Newspaper,Report from Contemporary Conflicts charging me ""

			The whole set of articles supporting that there was and is a rampant Boycott of Muslims in the BJP ruled state of Gujarat.I am copying them again.Please revert the changes back to where they were. ] 10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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			*Hkelkar - Below this is tantamount to Assuming Bad Faith and Original Research as well as threatening to use WP as a Soapbox.Make sure that you understand that I am not baiting you, just in case you wish to justify any action based on these edit of yours ] 11:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			Hkelkar's comments follow:
			''Dude, give up the propaganda soapboxing. None of these incidents happened in the year in question.Hkelkar 11:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)And no, I will not restore your egregious misrepresentations. The "boycott" is not a riot, it's a peaceful act so it does not belong in the article. If you do that then I will post a deluge of articles showing how Muslims in Gujarat are in collusion with Pakistan, the rise of fundamentalism, and the terrorist attacks on Narendra Modi. So do not go there buddy. Hkelkar 11:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)''

			* ''I'm using wikipedia as a soapbox???What the heck^H^H^H^HGehennem have you been doing?????Hkelkar 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)''
			::Yes, it is apparent you are sopaboxing - Please don't use this contemptuous language.These kind of "heck^H^H^H^HGehennem " don't add any value to the discussion ] 11:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::Sulekha and Sabrang – any of those websites cannot be used as reliable sources. Please read ] properly. — ]<span class="plainlinks"> </span> 13:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
			::Hkelkar, Only to you buddy ] 20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			==You don't understand==
			I simply never read the article, until the title changed. I still haven't read the whole thing in detail, but I believe it.

			Keep up the good work.

			Sincerely,
			] 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			== Arbitration Page and Islamism ==

			You have a section on the arbitration page in which I assume you will attempt to prove that "] supports ]..." My question to you is: so what if he supports Islamism? ] <sup>]</sup> 15:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			==Book Link on ]==
			:Regarding your most recent edits to ] and ], the link you supplied was to ], which does not satisfy the wikipedia criterion for ]. However, the book is real, published by an accredited source and the author is an accredited scholar (]) and the book is verified by a google books link. Therefore, I changed the citation accordingly (it's the same book, just from a more reliable source). See these diffs Thanks.] 03:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			Thanks

			] 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

			== ] ==

			Since you commented on the Hinduism barnstar proposal I recommend you looking at the new designs introduced by ]. Thank you. ]'']'' <sup>]</sup> 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
			==Taking leeways when it suits ==
			] 03:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

			== Nice job ==

			You got all of us banned for one year. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
			:This matter is no longer in our hands. There is no time. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
			:You're right. I did say that I was willing to go down with you, and although I am still willing, I never expected it to happen. I wonder if you will ever confess to being the same person. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
			==Thanks==
			For you addition to the ] article. I wish you the best and continue to pray. I'll be around.
			Sincerely,
			] 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
			:'''Addendum:''' After seeing a few recent bits of edits and discussion, I currently have much more faith in ''you'' coming back and being a great editor and ''community member'' than I do in BhaiSaab. ] 05:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

			== No Personal Attacks ==

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			== Your Comments at ] ==

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			:*I noticed most of you've pointed out. Unfortunately, I'm not an administrator, so my warnings and advice are just that, advice. That being said, you received the warning simply because you reacted harshly to his provocation. As someone who has been in your situation before, I '''strongly''' recommend that you either ignore him completely or if absolutely necessary, open a ]. -- '''] <sup>] • ] ]</sup>''' 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

			== Warning ==

			It's good to know you've been warned of personal attacks before.I just informed the administrator of the xenophobia you've been promoting on the discussion page,along with personal attacks,racist comments etc.I couldn't help but noticing you and D-Boy concspiring against another Pakistani usser.I also find it curious that you and your freinds happen to post approximately around the same time when grouping against me and other Pakistani wikipedians.Is it possible that you collaborate on the phone or on MSN before posting on talk pages along with luanching personal attacks,stereotypes etc?

			Intersting how you and your pals almost tricked me into getting myself blocked.Better luck next time.I warn you from trying similar tricks again in the future.Also dont threaten user:Saddiqui or other users by pulling them into edit wars and then trying to portray them as the instigators.Most people have alot more common sense than you think.] 05:44, 9 December 2006
	I know I ''created'' it. But you deserve the credit.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 02:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

			:Yes because wikipedia is our life and we take the time and money to call each other (and all our "Hindutva POV-pushing friends" who are really strangers working on the 'pedia) long distance across the pacific ocean, rocky mountains, mississippi river just to deal with a few ]. <b>]]</b> 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
	Good job on the article! ] 16:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

			FYI, Nadirali continues to make incivil and derogatory comments in the talk page. Why does he keep trolling it despite your advice to the contrary? ] 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	== ] table ==
			:I have no idea. -- ''']''' 00:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

			== Speaking of Pots Calling Kettles Black ==
	When you say it renders poorly what do you mean? If it's too long then... yes, that's a problem because there's not enough text to go with it and you can always <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> it. For me it renders perfectly in both Firefox and IE. If you mean that it extends past its section then that is just what happens sometimes with larger data sets. It may not be preferable but I think it is better than having data as a raster image that you have to click to enlarge. If you really wanted you can make it into a show / hide box (like on ]) but that seems unecessary. ] ] 09:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

			Since we're on the subject... it looks quite silly for you to be repeatedly updating me of {{user\|Nadirali}}'s provocative statements, while proceeding to make . Please, cut it out, as I'm sure you're familiar with Misplaced Pages's ]. -- ''']''' 01:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	==Poverty in India==
	I've replied to your comment and striking markup at ] and am dropping you this message to bring it to your attention thanks. -- ] 12:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

	:Thanks. Imagine the mess if we all discounted others comments. It'd be, well, it'd be Misplaced Pages :) Have a nice day. -- ] 12:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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	== mistake with template ==

			It was not prudent to follow my warning regarding incivility and personal attacks, with ''on my talk page''. You have certainly received sufficient warnings to warrant a block. I'll even post to ] for confirmation. -- ''']''' 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	I had posted that welcome template to several IP's talk pages, and I feel bad for what it said. I've corrected most of them, but I'm sure other used it in that time too. Oh well, life goes on. ] 01:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

			{{unblock reviewed\|1=It was hardly an incivil comment, and whom was it atatcking? It was an observation based on frustration of tendentious editors who get a free pass on wikipedia while sincere users who strive for accuracy get insulted, harassed, harangued and punished.\|decline= It is uncivil to describe a fellow editor as "spreading baseless propaganda," and a violation of NPA to suggest one is suffering "delusions of religious supremacy" or displaying "narrow tribalist ethnocentrism". Declined -- ]<font color="black">e</font>] 02:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)}}

			diff:
	Hi I think you made a mistake with IP Address 129.44.178.88. You accused this person of character defamation on these two Misplaced Pages articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kancha_Ilaiah&diff=77045645&oldid=77042325 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Fran%C3%A7ois_Gautier&diff=77042032&oldid=74809898

	This person did no such thing. Did you make a mistake? Scotsman47 00:00 22 September 2006
	::Yes it was a mistake. I meant to give it to a particular user but mistakenly put in in the welcome template. I will apologize in the taalk page.] 04:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

			You got yourself blocked just before both us will get a year-long block. C'mon yaar. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	== User:Kathanar ==

			== Your message ==
	FYI, Kathanar removed the warnings again. ] 17:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Replied to your message on ]. ] 18:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

			I am shashis, and thank you for your message on my talk page. I am replying late as I am new to wikipedia and did not know that a page such as my talk page existed, I checked it today and found your message. I am still learning the ropes here, and time constraint does not permit me to learn quickly. It seems there are many here with agendas and who do not want correct information to be presented. I have had the first experience with this Ikon ... who seems more interested in making sure that correct information is not presented. He has been playing cat and mouse game with information. Anyway, he is partially responsible for my postings. Initially I had only a passing interest in Misplaced Pages but his rude comments, accusations, and games have made me stay. I don't like bullys. I like to present correct/unbiased information, as much as I can, although it is not possible many times. Happy learning!
	== Well ==

			best
	I'm sorry if I came off as abrasive when I first appeared on the talk page. But, if you really want constructive dialogue, why do use section headers like "Indian Buddhist (so-called) Movement"?—]<sup>(])</sup> 17:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
			shashis <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 02:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			== China as an emerging superpower ==
	==Indian Nationalism==
	Thank you for your informative edit summary. I am not reverting your removal at the moment. I would like you to answer however, why Rana Pratap and Shivaji are treated as identical in their opposition to 'invaders'. While the Mighal empire might arguably be foreign for the Confedracy in that it was from the North, Pratap was fighting an army including large numbers of his fellow Rajputs under the banner of a fairly liberal ruler. Unless you want to remove the reference to Akbar right below? ] 02:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			Mamin is protecting that page from anything Anti-Chinese and seems to have a conflict of views on what a modern-day superpower should be like. He could be a good user though in the future, I simply urge you to place the page on your watchlist. I also found , it is a logical point, can we trust the figures? Anyway, I don't know how to place them in the article as it isn't a point against and some users wouldn't allow me to put such Anti-Chinese stuff as a note in the Factors in Favour section, thus spoiling China's unblemished face. ''']''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 05:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	::Thanks for your prompt response. You are entitled to your opinion about what you call (grin) the 'Second Islamic Empire'. However, the fact that Akbar was supported by a large proportion of Rajputs who were only too happy to fight Rana Pratap suggests that in that case, at least, saying "what he viewed" is appropriate. Please be prepared to compromise now and then! Putting in qualifiers wherever they are appropriate encourages readers to think about whether or not they are justified, which may be helpful in making the points that it is possible you wish to make. Thanks.] 02:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			If you aren't signed up you can see the article . ''']''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 05:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::You say that only 'Rajput mercenaries' served with Akbar. Please see the Mahrana Pratap article: "Even Pratap's own brothers, Shakti Singh and Sagar Singh, were serving Akbar. Indeed, many Rajput chiefs, such as Raja Man Singh of Amber (later known as Jaipur) were serving as army commanders in Akbar's armies and members of his council. Akbar sent a total of six diplomatic missions to Pratap, seeking to negotiate the same sort of peaceful alliance that he had concluded with the other rajput chiefs. Pratap roundly rebuffed every such attempt. Pratap particularly insulted Akbar's special envoy, Raja Man Singh of Amber (Jaipur)." I think that the qualification is desirable here. ] 02:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			::If I may comment, that article is from 1999. Seven years later after a growth of 10% each year and accession to the ], I think we see a very much different China altogether. Plus, back in 1999, there are not articles of "China as an emerging superpower", nowadays, you see a bunch of them. ] 01:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::None of this is relevant. The fact that his brothers served under Akbar does not make Akbar "domestic". Many Muslims of the upper biradaris perceived themselves as ethnically Arab (still do). So even their perception of themselves is foreign.] 03:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			== ] ==
	::You've also replaced the Elst citation. With a note saying "per consensus". What consensus? I have no doubt Freedom Skies, Nobleeagle, you and Baka agree. (I must admit I havent seen you disagree, so pardon me if I'm a little un-amazed.) But, as AfD has pointed out, on WP consensus is more than numbers, its also what emerges through discussion. The discussion isnt over. Please remove the citation while it continues.] 07:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.
	== sub category ==

			*{{Userlinks\|BhaiSaab}} is banned for one year.
	Should we create a sub category anti-hindu people in Category:Racism. There are plenty of candidates for that.]] 03:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			*{{Userlinks\|Hkelkar}} editing under any name or anonymous ip is banned from Misplaced Pages for one year.
	that.]] 03:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			*{{Userlinks\|TerryJ-Ho}} is banned for a year for personal attacks, disruptive comments, edit-warring and incivility.
	::I'm for it. Although bear in mind that it may be misinterpreted as a witch-Hunt. Precedent per the Cfr on (Category:Anti-Semitic people) for renaming to "accused of..." (see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Category:Anti-Semitic_people&oldid=62144701).] 03:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			*BhaiSaab is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at ].
	:::Please obtain consensus that Hindus can be viewed as a race or ethnicity first. Perhaps "Anti-Indian"?] 03:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			*Hkelkar and socks is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at ].
	::Well many argue that Jews are not an ethnicity wither but anti-semitic people exist under racism. Also, the argument is not whether Hindus are a race but the category is for people who hold racist attitudes against Hindus, which people do.] 03:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			*TerryJ-Ho is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at ].
	:::Not sure I agree, but go ahead. Only I think that then people like Dalit campaigners and what not should not be part of any cat, as it is a little doubtful to categorise them as racists, however extreme they might be about Hinduism.] 06:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::They say the same thing about Ahmadinejad too. The fact remains that if people make hate-speech against Hindus like Kancha Ilaiah then they will be catted.] 07:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
	::::I'm afraid we will have to disagree there. Merely "hate speech against Hindus" is not racist. The Hinduism=Judaism analogy only gets you so far; Hinduism is not ''explicitly'' an ethnic religion as is Zoroastrianism and Judaism; and I would have thought that its a little difficult to be racist if you're claiming to be the same race. I'm sure that other people will be willing to take you on there, and I dont know enough about it to make pronouncements.] 07:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			For the Arbitration committee, ]<sup>]</sup> 06:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::If you agree that you dont know, than why are you arguing.]] 07:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			== Your ban ==
	:::Wow, that was rude, and, I think, quite unprovoked. What bit was arguing? Lets recap: I was suggesting to Kelkar that if he wants to avoid a bit of a hassle later, ask around first, as if I didnt think it was an appropriate cat, there would be others, more bold than I, who might agree. If you wished to avoid confrontation, I suggested that consensus first would be a good thing, and suggested that KAncha Ilaiah might be an excessively controversial cat. When Kelkar said he intended to cat him, I merely said that I disagreed with the basis that ''he had stated'' - "Hate speech against Hindus" - and indicated that I thought racism would be difficult to prove for everyone satisfying that condition. About Ilaiah, I know that his page has seen a lot of back-and-forth, and I have never been on it, so I dont know whether ''he'' views himself as a different race from the upper castes. So I said I couldnt make pronouncements. Now, any particular reason why that somewhat complex interaction was summed up so rudely and inaccurately by you? ] 08:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			Is an appeal possible? ''']''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 06:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::Are you saying that my last one line post was rude. Please clarify.]] 08:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			::Something to think about. I wish there was some way you could contact me.] 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::What i could make out from your earlier post is that you think that a jew cannot be placed in a anti-semite category, no matter what he does. Am i right in my analysis.]] 08:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			:::Please do not edit this talk page even for discussion of an appeal. You have been ] which means you are completely prohibited from editing Misplaced Pages for one year. The only reason for a blocked editor to edit his/her talk page is to request an unblock, which isn't permitted for banned users. If you wish to appeal, you may do so by emailing Jimbo Wales directly. Please refrain from editing this page henceforth otherwise it will be locked. Also note that each time you edit, you reset your ban timer to one year from that edit. You are not required to reply to this message. --] 07:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::This totally sucks. Well, at least bhaisaab got banned as well.--] 07:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Given that I spent that entire post explaining I wasnt arguing, it's likely I was talking about your one-line post, wasnt I?
	:::::And about your 'analysis': I see no reason why a Jewish person might not be called anti-semitic. However, all forms of anti-semitism are not, I think, considered racist. See, for example ]. So you see, there are subtleties. I merely indicated that I was unaware of Ilaiah's particular stand on race, so I could not speak about it. But "Anti-Hindu hate speech" alone does not a racist make. You also have to have beliefs about who is Hindu. ] has a very particular definition.<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) {{{2\|}}}.</small>
	::So i guess you have a problem if this is a subcategory to Racism. But you wont protest if it is a separate category.]] 08:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			:::::Hkelkar, just learnt about your ban. This is really sad. --<b>]]] \| </b><b><sup>]</sup></b>/<b><sub>]</sub></b>\<b><sup>]</sup></b> 06:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::Yes, I definitely have a problem with it being a subcat. As a separate category, I'm not really familiar with the term, but if it's used, then I dont think there's anything wrong with the cat. As long as the people in the category are cited as being anti-Hindu with the same level of precision as people in the -anti-Semite cat, I dont see why not.] 08:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			:::::::Its perfectly alright for a user to edit his/her page. If the ban/block doesn't stop them from, they very well may. Where does it say that a user may not edit a page that they have the right and ability to? It is his user page after all. You should also try for an appeal. You're not required to respond to this message, but do so if you see fit. Also, how is that enforcable?]</span> (<small>]</small>) 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
	::::OK. Thanks for the clarifications.]] 08:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			== Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can ==
	:::::I see you are facing problems in the Neo-Buddhism article. You can go and ask ] for some help as she claims herself to be a buddhist.]] 09:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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			== Offensive user name ==
	:: I thought I should duly warn you against removal of sources from ] as you did and tagging bogus templates as you often do on many articles and presently has made article ] your no1 target. You can contribute on wikipedia in many ways.Since it appears you don't have anything substantial to contribute on any article,I advise (but it depends on you) to take rest till your head and heart is relieved of malice.Otherwise you know you may be forced to cool down.<span style="border: 1px solid">]</span>\|] 12:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

			Kindly see the talk page on Hindu, a user has taken up an offensive user name. What can be done about this. Regards. ] 14:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
	== Allegations of Vandalism ==

			== آپ کو کیا ہوا یحود؟ ==
	With regard to your edit summary for diff "I've had enough. The next time a well-sourced statement gets removed I'm going to report it as vandalism.", please substantiate your claim, which to my mind appears to violate a million different WP policies as well as common sense. I note you have not responded to my several concerns about the two quotes under consideration that I raised some time ago on the talk page. If you have an explanation, I would be fascinated to hear it. ] 04:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

			اے یحود۔ آپ کو کیا ہوا؟ آپ کہان گیا؟
	== Tipu Sultan ==

			<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:{{{2\|}}}\| {{{2}}}\|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
	Hey, I stumbled upon your problem and did some quick research. In addition to the dodgy claims, the fact is that the claims are not made up by random pro-Tipu people. It's worse (in some eyes anyway), they are '''plagiarised''' by those random pro-Tipu people. See this . ''']''' ] 07:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

			{{unblock reviewed\|1=bhaisaab gets away with socking all the time and I get an indefinate\|decline=This is not a reason to allow you to violate policy. — ] 19:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)}}
	== History of Pakistan ==

			{{unblock reviewed\|1=What about ]? Creates a bunch of socks for edit wars and all he gets is one year.Why am I the only one to get indefinate?\|decline=An indef block doesn't mean we won't consider unblocking you after a year, it just means we're under no obligation to unblock you after a year. If you don't go sockpuppeting throughout the course of the next year, I'll likely be quite happy to unblock you. I intend to protect your talk page for a couple of days short of one year now. ] 20:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)}}
	Please see my comments on this article. It needs a lot of help. ''']''' ] 07:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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	== Tippu and Rockets ==
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	== Civility ==

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	I have temporarily blocked Dhammafriend for disruptive incivility. Make sure you do not respond in kind. I told him when he returns to comment on content, not other people; that is good advice for all of us. ] <sup>]</sup> 12:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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	2. cant tell a user efforts as "rubbish" with the hard work he has done to the article, infact which amounts to personal attack!
	3. "Plus, there are entire countries in the muslim world that massacre non-muslims and spread hate against them (Pakistan against Hindus, Saudi Arabia against Christians, Iran against Jews etc.)" this also amounts to personal attacks on a relegion which is indirectly said to a user.

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As of the signature timestamp Hkelkar 07:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Immediate Work Needed The following articles have been ruined by racist wikipedians with misrepresented citations and fake references

Articles Created/Worked on:

2006 Lahore temple demolition
South Asia Analysis Group
Udit Raj (see User:Hkelkar/uditraj for the non-partisan version)
Poverty in Pakistan
Poverty in India
Kaluchak Massacre
Direct Action Day
Wandhama Massacre
Dalit Voice
Kancha Ilaiah
V. T. Rajshekar
Anti-Semitism
Lashkar-e-Toiba
Students Islamic Movement of India
Persecution of Christians
J.F.R. Jacob
Ezekiel Isaac Malekar
Category:Indian Rabbis
Solomon Sopher

Current Projects:

Persecution of Hindus
Caste
Indian caste system
Anti-Hindu
Tipu Sultan
Pakistani Nationalism: dd more on ethnic Balochi and Pushtun Nationalism + stuff about the Mojahirs and Ahmadiyyas.
Cheema, RfC/advocacy pending, not all historical perspectives represented+ dubious statements.
Jat: Same as above
Muhammad bin Qasim: Same as above
India-Israel relations

Future Projects:

Category:Riots in Pakistan
Article on anti-Mojahir riots in Pakistan
Article on anti-Ahmadiya riots in Pakistan
Post Bugti Riots.
Bombay Riots
Balochistan Liberation Army
Nawab Akbar Bugti (specific to riots after his death)
Mukhtaran Mai
User:TwoHorned and Anti-Semitism

Useful Misplaced Pages Links:

Immediate Tasks:

Material for Muslim Caste System and Fatwa-i-Jahandari in Indian caste system

Arthashastra of Kautilya and Fatawa-i-Jahandari of Ziauddin Barani : an analysis / by Arbind Das.
The political theory of the Delhi sultanate: Including a translation of Ziauddin Barani's Fatawa-i Jahandari, circa, 1358-9 A.D by Mohammad Habib
Foundations of Indian Political Thought by V.R. Mehta
Ideology, Modernization and Politics of India by V.R. Mehta

Extra material for Christian Castes in Indian caste system

http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IET20030413133514&Topic=&Title=This%20is%20India&Page=O
http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/10/stories/2004041010410300.htm
http://www.dalitchristians.com/Html/DCLMtocbci.htm
The Lopsided Spread of Christianity: Toward an Understanding of the Diffusion of Religions By Robert L. Montgomery
Caste and Christianity: Attitudes and Policies on Caste of Anglo-Saxon Protestant Missions in India. by Duncan B. Forrester Journal of Asian Studies, Vol. 41, No. 4 (Aug., 1982), pp. 865-866

Extra material for Latin American Caste system in Caste

Caste in a peasant society by Marvin Tumin
Human tradition in colonial Latin America by K. Andrien (establishes history)
Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America by J Chasteen
Latin American Civilization: History and Society, 1492 to the Present B. Keen (clearly mentions caste system)
Race and Nation in Modern Latin America by James Herriot et al. Talks about caste system today

DYK's

On 21 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article poverty in Pakistan, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

User:Hkelkar put a strong effort on Poverty in Pakistan - Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstars ^_^

I, User:Deepak gupta, hereby award you the **Exceptional Newcomer** award for your contributions to South Asia-related articles. Good job!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		To Hkelkar for his contributions to articles related to Jews, India, Caste and Hinduism --N R S \| /_M\ 08:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For working extensively on articles related to the Indian subcontinent I, Freedom skies 17:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC), award you with this Original Barnstar.

Hindu Barnstar
Project Hinduism given by Dangerous-Boy (talk · contribs)

For all the crap you go through.--D-Boy 18:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles

interesting discussion --D-Boy 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#South_Asia_versus_Indian_sub-continent

"South Asian Caste System" anyone? Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: BAd Faith Assumptions

Dear HKelkar, first of all thanks for pointing me to the WP:AGF and WP:Civility. I will keep them in mind. But please note that the article in question, has no reference to caste based struggle as discussed on Talk:Indian_caste_system#.22Woman_raped_on_Train_by_Dalits. I suggest keeping in mind the facts we should try to remove the misinterpretation of facts. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Hkelkar as per the article the crime has indeed been committed by dalit party activists, but where is the point of caste based struggle in it, see the news paper report ]. Didn't we discuss all this on talk page of the article in question. The article already has many short comings, why induce another. Thanks and looking for your kind cooperation ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 18:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear HKelkar, thanks for pointing me to Burakumin, I agree there should be no whitewashing under any circumstances to present a rosy picture. But the caste based angle in the article in question is more of criminal nature; and the power, the criminals in them, assert is that they are part of a political entity, maybe governed by people in power, who need their muscles during elections and for gathering crowds, and in return will save the criminals from the law of the land. Then by this yard stick all and any crimes committed by any one belonging to any caste, political party for whatever reason would merit a mention in the article. Just because the world caste/ ambedkar/ dalit appears in the news should not merit its mention, as I still cant see any relation to caste struggle here. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If a balanced view is required, then why not put up something that is actually related to article and has some element of caste struggle. What about this in a balanced manner ] in place of what is already there. I request you to present some mention of real caste struggle and not crimes by (substitute your favorite word here dalit/ brahmin/ upper caste etc). Cheers ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

And what about removing the section in question.ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Urdu#trying_.22too_hard.22

Kind of amusing.--D-Boy 02:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks HKelkar.

Thanks HKelkar, I am short of words to describe the wrongs. There are some websites which allege that Hindu religion has it's roots in christainity. This is sufficiently irritating. Some anonymous editer included these (external) website links in the article. Which I removed. The same found place on talk page, seeking permission for inclusion in article by the anonymous editor. I removed these links, as through subversive means, the links were placed for viewing who view the article. The discussion for inclusion was clearly opposed by all. I removed the links from talk page. There was no objection from anyone. After some days Abecedare restored the links. I remove them, he reverts and give me a 3RR notice. Then, he goes for admin community views. I fail to express and object to the subversive way. I fail to understand the intention of Abecedare. Should the Misplaced Pages policy conveniently interpreted and used for nefarious activities?

swadhyayee 04:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

New Rock Star

Hi Hkelkar, I saw the article and the latest edits. We must try to constructively discuss the changes and work on improving the article. Currently, it looks in a mess. The section on Hindutva views and Dalit views is unreferenced and POV. Do all Dalits have the same view. And whose view is it actually. I think, we need a cited historical scholarly view.

Anyway, we'll talk more on that. I have repaired the e-mail link. It's working now. Mail me. Bye for now. Keep rockin' --N R S | /_M\ 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Is this true HKelkar? I would never like anyone to be blocked for an year and would also not like someone to give such cause. God Bless You. swadhyayee 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Refs

Note: These refs are for my research purposes only, please do not type between them.

These should provide some perspective on why many Pakistani editors are arguing over Indian history on wikipedia.

School Books That Teach Children To Hate in Pakistan:

The Menace of Sectarian Education,Pakistan's NW Province Makes Quran Lessons Compulsory - From the Wall Street Journal

The subtle subversion:Islamic Fundamentalism and Brainwashing in Pakistan (news today)

Pakistani social studies textbooks creating havoc:

Pakistan, A Failed State (BBC)

Pakistan once again terrorism central

Just whose side is Pakistan really on?

SECTARIAN IDENTITIES OF MUSLIMS:" a house divided” - by R Upadhyay

MINORITY SEPARATISM IN INDIA: THE MUSLIM MINORITY - B.Raman

Of the 500 missing Pakistanis, 375 are in Gujarat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hkelkar (talk • contribs) 21:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

ArbComm

Hi Hkelkar - there's a post at WP:AN about your current editing - I've also sent you an email about it. It's probably best if the only editing you do is within your user-space, at least until December 19th. Just create sub-pages if you want, to work on additions to articles. Thanks M a rtinp23 19:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Indus Valley sites

This pak as been untagging indus valley with the indian tag on it. Could use some help on this. Szhaider (talk · contribs) seems to be behind it. He takes the tag off harappa civilization and other indic historic sites as well.--D-Boy 21:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system

I didn't realize there was more about mobility in the criticism section. Thanks for moving it up. BhaiSaab 23:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You have violated WP:3RR by removing part of what I just added, i.e. "individual mobility among castes was generally rare." I ask that you undo this. BhaiSaab 23:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Nope, no 3RR here. I'll double check my edits though since you say that. BhaiSaab 23:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Aw. He came back.--D-Boy 01:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You problably should have called the FBI on him. I know I would have.--D-Boy 02:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles_-_2

Voting on the use of indic scripts.--D-Boy 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Proposal--D-Boy 04:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)_<!"> _<!">

Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule?

How does it work? Szhaider (talk · contribs) is being a bit stubborn.--D-Boy 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Warning regarding Indian caste system

I have not protected the article, but be aware that excessive reversions of the article may lead to a 3RR block. Take the discussion to the talk page to avoid that. -- tariqabjotu 16:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system Mediation

Please take a look at Talk:Indian caste system/Mediation (December 2006) and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the Indian caste system article. Also, please sign below Parties' agreement to mediate stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Lists of people by caste--D-Boy 05:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra

No matter what Indian PC media calls it shouldnt it be titled 2006 Dalit riots in Maharashtra raher than 2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra?

P.S I was just being sarcastic on the other article! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 20:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Reversion

Sorry mate, it looked like a deletion of material. You did nothing wrong and my reversion was accendental. Thanks for your understanding, Dfrg.m s c 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Your encouragement and supporting of users to add commentry...

Do not encourage/support users to add commentary to wiki articles. I find it pretty I ironic you remove comments on talk-pages, which are directed at you, and consequently. You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles. Please do not do this. Or I will have to issue you a warning and also mention this in your RfA pending case. You should take a break from edition wiki articles for a few months. --StreetScholar 15:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles.

Look who's talking! Moveon chavboy People living in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Revival

The people who are doing violence are low-caste-Hindus. They are not Buddhists. The India Buddhist population is less than 0.8%. So restrict yourself before making false claims. Pkulkarni 15:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

0_0

Intrguing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Hindushudra

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Pkulkarni

I am a member of Sechdule Caste from India and consider all Indians as Shudras. अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 19:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

السلام علیکم

hello as-salam alaykum Hkelkar Please forgive me, English not is perfect. You seem to write many anti Islamic remarks and have bias viewpoint towards India & Israel. Please keep your biases off Misplaced Pages جزخ اللہ خیر —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esteqlal (talk • contribs) 20:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

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I'm sorry, personal attack? There was no personal attack, rather just a constructive criticism from one Misplaced Pages editor to another. Also, please refrain from deleting my posts on your talk page, as you do not own them. (You may archive this page, however.) Also, please remove your silly writings from my talk page. :) I hope you keep these (constructive) criticisms in mind!

User warned

for making personal attacks. Hkelkar 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering

Are you biased? Do you believe you are bias-free? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.163.151.18 (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Apology

Hkelkar, I'm very sorry I accused you of Wikistalking. It was poor judgement, a poor reading of Misplaced Pages policy, and in very bad faith.

I also apologise for the initial comments I made. I assumed you were doing a complete hatchet job, I barely read the articles in question, and I misread them in my haste and uncalled-for anger to boot.

Furthermore, I attempted to pit you and Ambroodey against your fellow editors. This was not only incredibly disruptive, but trollish on every level. I tried to use a painful topic for my own purposes and forced you to defend yourself.

In reality, I have never treated you correctly. I should have responded to your second post to me as a good faith attempt to work with me. I didn't discuss the article with you, and try to work out any differences we had.

I did these things out of my arrogance and ignorance of Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. What I did last night, however, is simply indefensible and wrong on a basic human level.

Again, I humbly apolgise, and I sincerely pray for your happiness, if not forgiveness.

NinaEliza 08:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Buddhism in modern India

India Buddhist revival/Dalit Buddhist Movement/Buddhist Revival in India has been moved to Buddhism in modern India. utcursch | talk 15:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

As you might be aware that Pkulkarni (talk · contribs) and his/her socks have been blocked (see Talk:Dalit Buddhist movement). User:Pkulkarni (with his sock accounts) was the only person opposed to an article with the title Dalit Buddhist movement or Ambedkarite Buddhism. Other involved parties such as User:Hkelkar, User:AMbroodEY, Nat Krause , and NinaEliza support for separate article about Dalit Buddhist movement. So, I've moved the article to Dalit Buddhist movement. The content about non-Ambedkarite Buddhism has been removed and addded to Buddhism in India . Sorry for all the confusion. I hope I'm finally fixing this. Thanks. utcursch | talk 15:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Your recent changes in Gujarat Riots Page

What can one construe of your recent edits where ~~- where you have 1. removed the title of the HRW report entitled "We have no orders to save you.. to HRW report~~ while you have added a blog on Sulekha to the article?Please change it back to the original title and remove the link to the Blog MerryJ-Ho 21:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Only website whose creative expression (of its members) was published a book by Penguin

Sorry for the first part - You did not change the title, I confused it from the edit hitsory MerryJ-Ho 21:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Sulekha claims itself to be a Networking,blogging site..So I don't know if I should agree to what you say..Check what others say..MerryJ-Ho 21:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If you think SAAG is notable put it..don't threaten..MerryJ-Ho 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So finally, you have put that link - did you read the fine print on that article - The writer is an undergraduate from Princeton University. The views expressed are his own. Contacted at e-mail: abahl@princeton.edu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TerryJ-Ho (talk MerryJ-Ho 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)• contribs) 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

On the economic boycott of Muslims you removed the whole set of links from UN,NDTV,Tribune India,The Hindu - Indian National Newspaper,Report from Contemporary Conflicts charging me "Then how come you can only find terrorist propaganda rag sabrang?"

The whole set of articles supporting that there was and is a rampant Boycott of Muslims in the BJP ruled state of Gujarat.I am copying them again.Please revert the changes back to where they were. MerryJ-Ho 10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

After riots, it’s economic boycott call -

Hkelkar - Below this is tantamount to Assuming Bad Faith and Original Research as well as threatening to use WP as a Soapbox.Make sure that you understand that I am not baiting you, just in case you wish to justify any action based on these edit of yours MerryJ-Ho 11:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar's comments follow: Dude, give up the propaganda soapboxing. None of these incidents happened in the year in question.Hkelkar 11:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)And no, I will not restore your egregious misrepresentations. The "boycott" is not a riot, it's a peaceful act so it does not belong in the article. If you do that then I will post a deluge of articles showing how Muslims in Gujarat are in collusion with Pakistan, the rise of fundamentalism, and the terrorist attacks on Narendra Modi. So do not go there buddy. Hkelkar 11:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm using wikipedia as a soapbox???What the heck^H^H^H^HGehennem have you been doing?????Hkelkar 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is apparent you are sopaboxing - Please don't use this contemptuous language.These kind of "heck^H^H^H^HGehennem " don't add any value to the discussion MerryJ-Ho 11:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sulekha and Sabrang – any of those websites cannot be used as reliable sources. Please read WP:RS properly. — Nearly Headless Nick 13:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar, Only to you buddy MerryJ-Ho 20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't understand

I simply never read the article, until the title changed. I still haven't read the whole thing in detail, but I believe it.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely, NinaEliza 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration Page and Islamism

You have a section on the arbitration page in which I assume you will attempt to prove that "User:TerryJ-Ho supports Islamism..." My question to you is: so what if he supports Islamism? BhaiSaab 15:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Book Link on Persecution of Hindus

Regarding your most recent edits to anti-Hindu and Persecution of Hindus, the link you supplied was to Hindu Unity, which does not satisfy the wikipedia criterion for WP:Reliable Sources. However, the book is real, published by an accredited source and the author is an accredited scholar (Gurbachan Singh Talib) and the book is verified by a google books link. Therefore, I changed the citation accordingly (it's the same book, just from a more reliable source). See these diffs Thanks.Hkelkar 03:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

209.197.162.110 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Hinduism_WikiProject_Award

Since you commented on the Hinduism barnstar proposal I recommend you looking at the new designs introduced by User:Priyanath. Thank you. Gizza 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Taking leeways when it suits

Nice job

You got all of us banned for one year. BhaiSaab 00:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This matter is no longer in our hands. There is no time. BhaiSaab 00:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right. I did say that I was willing to go down with you, and although I am still willing, I never expected it to happen. I wonder if you will ever confess to being the same person. BhaiSaab 00:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For you addition to the Dalit Buddhist Movement article. I wish you the best and continue to pray. I'll be around. Sincerely, NinaEliza 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: After seeing a few recent bits of edits and discussion, I currently have much more faith in you coming back and being a great editor and community member than I do in BhaiSaab. NinaEliza 05:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks

In case you haven't been warned already, per the evidence at WP:ANI#Xenophobia... <Discussion has been archived at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive155#Xenophobia>

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. -- tariqabjotu 05:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Your Comments at WP:AN/I

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Chabuk 05:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I noticed most of you've pointed out. Unfortunately, I'm not an administrator, so my warnings and advice are just that, advice. That being said, you received the warning simply because you reacted harshly to his provocation. As someone who has been in your situation before, I strongly recommend that you either ignore him completely or if absolutely necessary, open a Request for Comment/User. -- Chabuk 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Warning

It's good to know you've been warned of personal attacks before.I just informed the administrator of the xenophobia you've been promoting on the discussion page,along with personal attacks,racist comments etc.I couldn't help but noticing you and D-Boy concspiring against another Pakistani usser.I also find it curious that you and your freinds happen to post approximately around the same time when grouping against me and other Pakistani wikipedians.Is it possible that you collaborate on the phone or on MSN before posting on talk pages along with luanching personal attacks,stereotypes etc?

Intersting how you and your pals almost tricked me into getting myself blocked.Better luck next time.I warn you from trying similar tricks again in the future.Also dont threaten user:Saddiqui or other users by pulling them into edit wars and then trying to portray them as the instigators.Most people have alot more common sense than you think.Nadirali 05:44, 9 December 2006

Yes because wikipedia is our life and we take the time and money to call each other (and all our "Hindutva POV-pushing friends" who are really strangers working on the 'pedia) long distance across the pacific ocean, rocky mountains, mississippi river just to deal with a few trolls. Baka man 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI, Nadirali continues to make incivil and derogatory comments in the talk page. Why does he keep trolling it despite your advice to the contrary? Hkelkar 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea. -- tariqabjotu 00:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Pots Calling Kettles Black

Since we're on the subject... it looks quite silly for you to be repeatedly updating me of Nadirali (talk · contribs)'s provocative statements, while proceeding to make comments like these. Please, cut it out, as I'm sure you're familiar with Misplaced Pages's civility policy. -- tariqabjotu 01:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You have been blocked for persistent personal attacks and incivility for a period of forty-eight hours. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. -- tariqabjotu 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It was not prudent to follow my warning regarding incivility and personal attacks, with this comment on my talk page. You have certainly received sufficient warnings to warrant a block. I'll even post to WP:ANI for confirmation. -- tariqabjotu 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hkelkar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

It was hardly an incivil comment, and whom was it atatcking? It was an observation based on frustration of tendentious editors who get a free pass on wikipedia while sincere users who strive for accuracy get insulted, harassed, harangued and punished.

Decline reason:

It is uncivil to describe a fellow editor as "spreading baseless propaganda," and a violation of NPA to suggest one is suffering "delusions of religious supremacy" or displaying "narrow tribalist ethnocentrism". Declined -- Rockpocket 02:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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diff:

You got yourself blocked just before both us will get a year-long block. C'mon yaar. BhaiSaab 03:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Your message

I am shashis, and thank you for your message on my talk page. I am replying late as I am new to wikipedia and did not know that a page such as my talk page existed, I checked it today and found your message. I am still learning the ropes here, and time constraint does not permit me to learn quickly. It seems there are many here with agendas and who do not want correct information to be presented. I have had the first experience with this Ikon ... who seems more interested in making sure that correct information is not presented. He has been playing cat and mouse game with information. Anyway, he is partially responsible for my postings. Initially I had only a passing interest in Misplaced Pages but his rude comments, accusations, and games have made me stay. I don't like bullys. I like to present correct/unbiased information, as much as I can, although it is not possible many times. Happy learning!

best shashis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shashis (talk • contribs) 02:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

China as an emerging superpower

Mamin is protecting that page from anything Anti-Chinese and seems to have a conflict of views on what a modern-day superpower should be like. He could be a good user though in the future, I simply urge you to place the page on your watchlist. I also found this, it is a logical point, can we trust the figures? Anyway, I don't know how to place them in the article as it isn't a point against and some users wouldn't allow me to put such Anti-Chinese stuff as a note in the Factors in Favour section, thus spoiling China's unblemished face. Nobleeagle 05:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC) If you aren't signed up you can see the article here as well. Nobleeagle 05:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

If I may comment, that article is from 1999. Seven years later after a growth of 10% each year and accession to the World Trade Organization, I think we see a very much different China altogether. Plus, back in 1999, there are not articles of "China as an emerging superpower", nowadays, you see a bunch of them. 128.101.105.79 01:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar

This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.

BhaiSaab (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned for one year.
Hkelkar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) editing under any name or anonymous ip is banned from Misplaced Pages for one year.
TerryJ-Ho (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned for a year for personal attacks, disruptive comments, edit-warring and incivility.
BhaiSaab is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
Hkelkar and socks is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
TerryJ-Ho is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

For the Arbitration committee, Cowman109 06:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Your ban

Is an appeal possible? Nobleeagle 06:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Something to think about. I wish there was some way you could contact me.Hkelkar 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not edit this talk page even for discussion of an appeal. You have been banned which means you are completely prohibited from editing Misplaced Pages for one year. The only reason for a blocked editor to edit his/her talk page is to request an unblock, which isn't permitted for banned users. If you wish to appeal, you may do so by emailing Jimbo Wales directly. Please refrain from editing this page henceforth otherwise it will be locked. Also note that each time you edit, you reset your ban timer to one year from that edit. You are not required to reply to this message. --Srikeit 07:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

This totally sucks. Well, at least bhaisaab got banned as well.--D-Boy 07:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar, just learnt about your ban. This is really sad. --N R S | /_M\ 06:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Its perfectly alright for a user to edit his/her page. If the ban/block doesn't stop them from, they very well may. Where does it say that a user may not edit a page that they have the right and ability to? It is his user page after all. You should also try for an appeal. You're not required to respond to this message, but do so if you see fit. Also, how is that enforcable?Darth Zantetsuken (Grovel/Beg/Praise) 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Offensive user name

Kindly see the talk page on Hindu, a user has taken up an offensive user name. What can be done about this. Regards. 59.178.10.68 14:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

آپ کو کیا ہوا یحود؟

اے یحود۔ آپ کو کیا ہوا؟ آپ کہان گیا؟

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by MirzaGhalib (talk • contribs).

Hkelkar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

bhaisaab gets away with socking all the time and I get an indefinate

Decline reason:

This is not a reason to allow you to violate policy. — Yamla 19:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hkelkar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

What about Siddiqui? Creates a bunch of socks for edit wars and all he gets is one year.Why am I the only one to get indefinate?

Decline reason:

An indef block doesn't mean we won't consider unblocking you after a year, it just means we're under no obligation to unblock you after a year. If you don't go sockpuppeting throughout the course of the next year, I'll likely be quite happy to unblock you. I intend to protect your talk page for a couple of days short of one year now. Nick 20:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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