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| My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at ]. Warmly, ''']''' 02:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == ] Newsletter - Issue II - October 2006 == | |||
| I saw you're interested in the project! Well, it's now open and it is waiting for volunteers! In (]) you'll see what I've done and what is left to be done according to my opinion. I tried to set a basic plan of work, but I was very tired to go into details. Right now I feel exhausted! Please, check the page and the talk page, and I think you'll find areas for contribution and creativity. Make your suggestions and additions, express your thoughts, your critics and anything else you feel appropriate. I believe that through co-operation we'll find our way. I think the most important thing is to keep the project alive and imrove its quality and its importance. If possible, spread the news and recruit other users. I'll come back, when I'll feel less tired! Cheers!--] 17:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The ''']''' of the WikiProject History of Greece newsletter has been published. | |||
| == What is commonly accepted about the ancient Macedonians == | |||
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| Please have a look at Ulrich Wilcken's Alexander der Große or Griechische Geschichte im Rahmen der Altertumsgeschichte, and Egon Friedell's Kulturgeschichte Griechenlands, and maybe you'll see where I'm coming from when I say "commonly accepted". They're all German sources and it will be easy for them to find them. Skip to the section of ancient Macedonia. The last one is worth a read in any case. I'm not making up my edits. ] 21:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, the article itself only a few sentences further down (or was it further up?) contains well documented views that contradict that hypothesis, which makes it exactly not "''commonly'' accepted". And as long as the dissenting views are held by people as preeminent in the field as Borza, like it or not, there is no reason to play them down. ] ] 22:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Wilcken and Friedell are by far more preeminent by Borza, the only setback is that they're not as recent. O. Masson, Lane Fox and Hammond on the other hand, are alive and kicking, and much more mainstream than Borza. It's probably some 1-5 support against Borza's thesis, hence the "majority". My claim is also verified by the Britannica article (which I can cite for you). ] 11:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I still can't see how that would support "commonly", even if your assessment of the relative positions of these people in their field is correct (which I cannot judge right now). ] ] 11:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Check ] (plagiarized bio). He's been categorized as a ]. If that is true (is it?) can he be considered 'third party' or 'non-partisan'? His name flashes everywhere in the worst blogs I've ever seen for once... ] 12:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I don't know what his ethnic background or his political bias would be. He's entitled to have it, just like anybody else. Why would only a "third-party" scholar count here? He is evidently a respected and prolific author in the field; if the Macedonian nationalist websites have been taking him hostage that's not his fault. ] ] 12:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Pardon me, I didn't mean to imply he is biased. I just asked if you know. I am sure we can't list all those Greek (Greek-American or whatever) prominent scholars that appear in as 'non-partisan', so why can we treat a Romanian (if he is) differently? He still can be the NPOVest person in the world. Anyway, about the blog thing, you're right. But how do we know for a fact that he is prominent? I did my search and haven't found anything. Maybe you could direct me somewhere, since you're in the field... ] 13:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you.--] 14:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :] ] 17:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)] | |||
| == Reply == | |||
| :Thanks FP! I am sure you'll make it as neutral as possible...] 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ahem, sorry, my refactoring was misleading. The above promise to "rewrite this" was actually Miskin's, not mine. And I must disappoint you, I really don't feel like seriously entering the Macedonian topics. Don't think I'll find the time and energy any time soon. ] ] 21:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I can only begin to imagine! :p BTW, what do you think of my proposal ]? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 03:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, Future Perfect at Sunrise. having seen the discussion, thought to drop some lines as well. i think it is a blatant POV-pushing to dispute the mainstream opinion about the Ancient Macedonians. a minority of scholars indeed dispute them having been Greek. however, the majority should prevail, and the thoughts of the minority should be presented in a paragraph in that article, and '''not''' in everything linked to the ancient Macedonians (e.g. ], which is listed as a Greek dialect, as related to Greek or as unrelated at all). there are minority opinions in almost every wikipedian article (e.g. ], ] language, ], etc etc-i can think of many many more articles...). but in '''no''' other case the opinion of a minority has been promoted that much as in the case of the Ancient Macedonians! just because some users do not want to see the ancient Macedonians as Greek, it does not mean that all the related articles should be in a mess... In no case am i talking about a censorship, of course. i am saying that every opinion should take the place it diserves, based on the evidence, references and appeal it has. And the most widely accepted theory is that the ancient Macedonians were Greeks. Regards ] 20:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Seems clear enough to me (I've moved the page). — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 23:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sorry, from all I can see from those portions of the literature I've had access to until now (mind you, that's mostly the linguistic angle, not the historical one), I'm not convinced of your assessment that the non-Greek view is a clear minority, let alone such an insignificant one. ] ] 21:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: |
::Thanks for your comments in the Mustafa case. Regarding your other comment in the Pontic talk, shouldn't you file a ] too? ] 14:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :::I think the RFCU page says requests related to arbcom should be filed on the arbcom pages only. Anyway, it's basically the same guys who are going to read it. ] ] 14:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Ummm, check Aldux's report on 'Cretanpride'. One of you is mistaken. A copy-paste wouldn't hurt (would it?) ] 14:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::But Cretanpride is not an ongoing Arbcom case, is it? But anyway, I think I've made sure my report is going to be noticed... ] ] 14:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I'm not familiar with these things anyway. I just asked. There is nothing 'ongoing' about his block discussion though. ] 14:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Hi== | |||
| :::::My position certain? Well, let's say, it's certainly agnostic on the issue. As for the linguistic literature: The article quotes ] as a proponent of a non-Greek view. That alone is an absolute showstopper. Look him up, a view endorsed by that guy can almost by definition never be non-mainstream. More or less every linguistic reference work I've ever seen has retained an agnostic or skeptical view of XMK-Greek unity. Horrocks (1997), my favourite up-to-date history of Greek, has not a word endorsing XMK-Greek unity. I must admit I don't clearly remember the position taken by Brixhe/Panayiotou (1994) - I read it years ago. The most advanced treatment I've recently come across is the article by Garrett (1999) that I quoted in the XMK article. He basically declares the question moot. Good read, but very technical. ] ] 22:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| There is something funny ] :) ] 06:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::From the respective article: ''the 5th century lexicon of Hesychius of Alexandria, amounting to about 700 words and proper names. Most of these are confidently identifiable as Greek, but some of them are not easily reconciled with standard Greek phonology''. Many more info is there as well. the theory of Anc.Mac. not been a greek dialect is a minority opinion, not to mention a very recent one (just a century old theory). If u have studied linguistics that much, u will have seen that many of the differences between Macedonian and Attic are identical with the diffs between Aeolian and Attic... However, noone has ever dared to say that the Aeolians were not Greek (i am afraid that this with also happen some day...). in addition, minority opinions also exist (surprisingly originating from the same country) suggesting that the Greeks are sub-saharans and that the Bulgarians are not Slavs, but Mongols... Letting the articles about the Ancient Macedonians being so confusing (i doubt if in the end, the reader will understand which is the mainstream opinion and which is not), will gradually lead in making Misplaced Pages less informative, in the name of NPOV (apparently, this is not what NPOV means). Presenting a minority opinion is encyclopedic, but giving it the same validity with the majority is not. --] 22:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::It's not the place and time here to discuss whether you or I find this or that piece of evidence convincing. It's just about our perceptions what is mainstream in scholarship, and I can only repeat, my perception of that is very different from yours. And I'm not talking about cheap nationalist websites. ] ] 22:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Arvanitis == | |||
| I think that neither u nor me are talking about ''cheap nationalist websites''. we are just making a discussion. as i see in that article, 8 scholars claim it to be Greek (A.Fick, O.Hoffmann, Kretschmer, E. Schwyzer, M. Sakellariou, N.G.L. Hammond, O. Masson, Ahrens, F. H. L.) and 4 consider it to be non Greek (K. O. Müller, G. Bonfante, I. I. Russu, A. Meillet - without this meaning that these 4 agree with each other...), without including ancient and/or medieval sources, but only modern ones! In this form, the majority of the article's sources justify my point. if u, or anyone else have valid sources to favour the other position, it would be interesting those to be added. but in the current state, the article seems to contrantict itself, that's why i am thinking of tagging it. --] 22:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, scholarly consensus is not a majority vote, let alone a majority vote between just those authors who happen to have been quoted here. Unless someone comes up with massive amounts of additiona material, the names quoted clearly offer only one reasonable result: in Misplaced Pages jargon, '''no consensus'''. Why the hell not just leave it at that? ] ] 22:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::There would be many reasons for me not ''leaving it just like that''... from the fact that i am a Greek living in Thessaloniki, to the fact that it is unencyclopedic and 'rude' for the readers forcing them believe that majority=minority and that a minority opinion should be mentioned as a fact (cause, yes, my friend, a minority opinion has led this article to be in fact 'disputed'). That's why, i think that two templates (] and ]) are the suitable for that. ] 22:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::What the? Sorry, but this makes me almost angry. What has the fact that you are a Greek living in Thessaloniki to do with ancient linguistics? And how on earth does the article present a "minority opinion" as "fact"? First, you haven't proven it's a minority opinion in the first place, and second it's not presenting it as fact but simply as one serious opinion among others. Which is absolutely appropriate. I very strongly object to your two templates, there's nothing either self-contradictory nor confusing about taking the opinions of some of the greatest linguists of the 20th century seriously. ] ] 23:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I meant to say that i study linguistics in Thessaloniki, and the fact that i am Greek makes it easier to me to find the similarities between the ancient Greek dialects. A minority opinion has led this article to present 'dispute of classification' as a fact. i think i have proven it's a minority opinion from the references in that article (note again: only modern references). I am not saying that it is not a serious opinion, nor that these linguists are not important. i am just saying that they must have a specific section where their theories will be fully explained, without making their presence in the lead as valid as the opinions of the modern-day majority (and apparently the opinions that have been all-times majority). --] 23:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you very much for your compliments on my page. It was actually my first contribution to Misplaced Pages!! | |||
| Chill! :-) Both of you! Hey, FP, I'm from ], does this count? :-) Back to business: I thought there was a third language hypothesis: that it was a sister (not daughter) language of Greek, from Proto-Greek. So we have 12 refs? What's the tally of sister/daughter/alien? ] 23:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I was wondering, How can I get the page name to be both Yorgos and Giorgos Arvanitis (I.e. whichever first name you type, you get to the same page)? | |||
| About him being an arvanites, well, I have to admit that it is an assumption. I will enquire about it and try to find a source. However, it is a rule of thumb that with such a name one is a real arvanites. The other possibility is that someone from his familly was at some point nicknamed like this (and it stayed on) because he/she came from an arvanites region or spoke only arvanitika.. but that would be less likely.. | |||
| ] | |||
| ==Anniv== | |||
| :I do not have any problem with Future Perfect at Sunrise and i am sorry if i made him 'almost angry':). it is a just difference of opinion. I believe that in the current state, the general meaning of the article is: 'it is commonly accepted that noone is sure about the classification of the ancient Macedonian language', despite of the majority of sources and references. certainly, this is not what the majority of scholars have and still think... Regards to both --] 23:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you very much. Has it been a year already? It feels like just yesterday, with trembling and sweaty hands, I was typing in "Dahn" for the very first time... ] 21:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your RfA== | |||
| ::Well, if it helps, FP had found a decent solution for the infobox, and someone just had to go ahead and ... ] 23:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Future Perf., I've done as you requested.--] 20:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry if I missed this, but what was the different account you were using? ]] 21:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Unblock== | |||
| I didn't know that Borza was a Romanian-American, but I could always smell a bias. Someone who concentrates so much on an ethnic debate cannot be coming from a neutral background. A Romanian-American cannot be considered less non-partisan than a Greek-American (see ] or ] to get the picture). In any case, his work has not been criticised as biased so we don't have the right to treat it as such. However we don't have the right to give him more credit than other scholars either. Lane Fox, Hammond, Masson (a preeminent linguist) and many from the German school are definitely the mainstream scholars on the topic. There have been hundreds of other theories on the origin of XMK but none of them have gained substantial support (if any). I'm not asking to ignore them, I'm only asking to give priority to the more popular ones (which is definitely not Borza's). The greater part of the current article was compiled by Alexander_007 (coincidence: another Romanian-American) who used Borza as his principal source, along with a good deal of OR to fill the gaps. Make your own conclusions. ] 12:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please see my message; | |||
| ], | |||
| ]. | |||
| Regards | |||
| ]] 09:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Slavomakedonski== | |||
| :Last time I checked, Borza was a historian, not a linguist. I'm talking here of the debate about the linguistic classification of XMK, not of the ethnic/cultural character of the Macedonians. Two different kettles of fish. ] ] 12:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What are we going to do with that article now?--] 18:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::No problem! i also lost my temper and that's why some of my comments had been somehow 'poisonous'... Sorry... But in anycase, thanks to yours and the work of the rest of us, this article is better now. That is quite an achievement, no?:). Ciao ] 05:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The guy actually said he'd unprotect again if we wanted to continue working on a compromise. Has he already done it? ] ] 18:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Yes, I'm waiting for you to do whatever it is you have in mind. I haven't got much time left.--] 18:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| OK - now that I, Francis and Bomac have violated the 3RR, can't you just get an admin to block us so that we can cool off.--] 19:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Articles on Greek language and Greek dialects == | |||
| :Grrrr. No, I'll spare you until next week and let you simmer until I can block you myself. ] ] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Your initiative to rename ] and generally to make categorization for articles on Greek language and Greek dialects more systematic and not sircular is highly useful. Another possible renaming would be that of ] to ]. Also, there is an incosistency concerning the heading and the content of articles on Greek dialects. This incosistency, of course, is a matter not only of Misplaced Pages but of their linguistic analysis too. I firmly believe that ]. But Greek dialects are generally known as dialects and not languages. This has nothing to do with purely linguistic criteria, mutual intelligibility or whatever. The sole reason is that they lack an army and a navy. But that's how there are generally refered to. What is more, there isn't consistency in Misplaced Pages between heading and content. So, ] (heading) is (first line of the article) "a Greek dialect ". On the other hand, ] mentions nothing at its heading for its status. In my opinion, Pontic, for example, or Tsakonian would, on linguistic grounds, easily qualify for a language status. But, whatever our choice, we have to be consistent. This problem is also mirrored in the greek wikipedia, where it is also unresolved. Maybe we can do something about it. --] 13:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Block, block? Who requested to be blocked? Lemme do it, lemme do it... | |||
| :Please don't use the word "Hellenic" - I hate that pretentious word. Use the word "Greek". --] 14:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| }} ]<sup>]</sup> 15:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==User page revert== | |||
| ::Agree with both of you. Let's use article titles that steer clear of the silly language-dialect issue, which is really a non-issue in the case of Greek. For the purpose of Misplaced Pages article naming and categorisation, let's just have ] as a single-language unit, with several subarticles for its different standard forms (Classical, Koine, Modern etc.), and all the rest treated on a par, as dialects. Leave whatever discussion of seperate language status might be necessary (Pontic, Tsakonian etc) to the article text. I'm currently quite busy working on the main series of articles for Modern and Classical Greek, which need restructuring. We can tackle the minor varieties articles later. ] ] 18:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Many thanks...! ] 13:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :::Take a look at ]. I believe ] should be followed.--] 18:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Magali malakia I tell you! I had tried smthng similar to before () but didn't work. We're talking about obsession here! Check my ] too... ] 15:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| === Greek language article series (2) === | |||
| :How do you like this? ] ] 15:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Let me first of all say and stress as much as possible that you are doing very serious work and you are really spending a lot of time to reoraganize Greek language article series. Greek language articles prove to be a hard issue. I had the chance -because I contribute mainly to Greek Misplaced Pages- to read the archive in Talk:Greek language and see the "]" attitude of most Greeks. There was also someone insisting that there is a dative case in Modern Greek! There was a determination too to include as many "Greek language is the first that..." as possible and then fill the "that-clause" part with whatever convenient. | |||
| Now, as to the detailed proposal you make. My feeling is that the content of "Greek language" article you propose can be fully merged to "Modern Greek language". "Modern Greek language" can and should be a lenghty article. The "Greek language" article you propose is, in fact, minus the language infobox, a sketch of "History of Greek language", which (the sketch) will fit nicely in the "MG lg" article. If we try to write the "history" section or other parts of the "MG language" article as you propose it, we will see that there we need the same kind and amount of information intended for the "Greek language" article. What is more, the language infobox is designed for the modern, living languages. This comes to the conclusion that "Greek lg" and "MG lg" should be one article and "History of Greek language" another one with a more detailed account of the language, the alphabet and the demographics of it's speakers. Because of the importance of the History part in the Greek language we can modify the template proposal by putting the "History of G lg" section after the "classification" and "geographic distribution" part, instead of putting it at the end (this is also the way things are arranged at ], a featured article). I don't know, do you believe that "Greek language" article can have significantly more or different information than a comprenhensive "MG language" article? | |||
| ::Aha ha ha! We should definitely templatize that one! ] 15:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Finally, I also believe we need both a ] and ]. The "History of Greek language" infobox is also straightforward without the hide/show option. | |||
| Don't worry about it. However the LSJ 7th ed. dictionary of ancient Greek, says they're just different versions of the same word. ] 15:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| BTW, the other users who have expressed their opinion back in June don't seem to follow this conversation so far. Maybe we have to ask them to do so.--] 10:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Thebes, Egypt == | |||
| :Yes, it would definitely be nice if we could get input from the others again (and I'm saying this not only because they were supporting "my" position :-) ) - Right now it looks like almost evenly divided, with you, Peter Isotalo and Adreas on the one side versus dab, Miskin, Macrakis and me on the other. Perhaps we need to make a handy comparison of the two models so that outsiders understand the issues better. It would also help to see what, according to your model, needs actual changing in comparison to now. Basically, your suggestion means to leave the scope of ] more or less as is. That leaves us with the following issues: What to do with the current ] article - merge completely into ]? Or merge only a summary part of it into ] and expand the rest into a new (Modern) ] article? It currently has the varieties-and-sociolinguistic things about Modern Greek, but not the structural sketch things. Apart from that, I guess we'd only need to rename some of the subarticles to make the naming consistent - in particular, we should move the current ] to ] to make place for a new one. | |||
| Yuor recent edit of "Thebes" -> "Thebes, Egypt" resulted in this in ]: | |||
| :I'm still not happy that on "your" model, we'll never have separate, easily disambiguated link targets for "Greek as a whole", "Greek, specifically ancient" and "Greek, specifically modern". Let's say, as a silly example, that in an article on ] I wanted to write: ''"the term ''polygamy'' comes from the ] word γαμώ 'to marry'"''. Now, that link leads the reader to an article that is essentially about a language where γαμώ means something rather different. ;-) Or even worse (though even less seriously): Imagine I wanted to write the following: ''"The term ''polygamy'' comes from the ] word "γαμώ", which means 'to marry' in ] but 'to f..k' in ]."'' Ρε γ... το, οn your proposal, the first and the third link would necessarily go to the same article, which would be confusing to readers. We have these kinds of confusion now in many instances, I think. | |||
| :<nowiki>], ]</nowiki> | |||
| :As for the categories, I think that should be uncontroversial, we can just go ahead and do it if you feel it's a good idea. | |||
| It seems a little redundant. Wouldn't it be better to make it: | |||
| :The show/hide buttons in the navigation box were just an experiment of mine, I liked them because they made the thingie smaller. We have so many infoboxes in these articles already. ] ] 11:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :<nowiki>]</nowiki> | |||
| ::P.S. Just to give a less silly example of the problem outlined above: Hypothetical text from an article about ]: ''"The Cyrillic letter Θ (Fita, ) occurs in words borrowed from ] containing the letter Θ, which was pronounced in ] but in ]."'' - Again, we really need three different link targets here. ] ] 11:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] 12:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Just to make clear what exactly I mean. All the content, in my opinion, of ] can be merged with ]. The "Evolution from Ancient to Modern Greek" section can be summarized for the history section of the "Greek language" and/or be added as it is in "History of Gr language". An article such as ] is still possible and should be created only if it is to contain significantly more information than the section in MG article. ], I agree,clar should become ] with a disambiguation page for "Greek dialects". (BTW, the confusion you mention with "γαμώ" and Θ is possible, more or less, eitherway)--] 11:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Right, feel free to change it. It's a question of whether you want to give the reader the direct link to ] together with that to the city - but I see, yes, it's probably unnecessary given the topic of the article. Sorry, this was a semi-mechanic replacing job with AWB, and I didn't perhaps give my full attention to each instance. ] ] 12:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ===Greek language article series (3)=== | |||
| == Wissahickon Creek == | |||
| Concerning the Greek language, I believe in "if you want something done, do it yourself". This consensus has been going on for some months and the majority is clearly in favour of the reformation, so there's no point to await any longer. If you agree with it as well then help me balance the two articles and consider the matter closed. ] 12:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ...was actually ]. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| On second thought, I can take full responsibility for it, if someone is fanatically against it, then let him just revert back. ] 12:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Impersonator? == | |||
| :You might want to look at a few (very rough) drafts with some restructuring ideas that I put up here: | |||
| :*] | |||
| :*] | |||
| :*] | |||
| :*] (Navigation infobox) | |||
| :*] should follow shortly. | |||
| :Also see the discussion on ] and further down here on this page. Thanks, ] ] 12:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks. :) Blocked. Looks like we've got a username troll or two active, tonight. ] 07:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Ok, that's not very different from the current condition. It only separates the Greek language historical periods into sections, and suggests a new article on Modern Greek phonology. IMHO, varieties of modern Greek should be kept in ] and there should be a separate article on ] (standard Greek). At the moment I'm not sure what to do with all the links and references in the ] article. ] 13:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, the suggestion about "Demotic Greek" makes things even more complicated. Especially since the equation "Demotic Greek"="Standard Greek" isn't that straightforward either. You are not suggesting moving the whole system-sketch yet another step down, from "Modern Greek" into "Demotic Greek", are you? Phonology and all? I'd say, keep the central things at "Modern Greek" and treat that like other modern-language articles: System sketch about the modern standard form; summary sections about history including dialects etc., series of subarticles for details. In that sense, the "Modern Greek" article should definitely have a summary section explaining both the Katharevousa-Demotic split and giving a short discussion of the regional dialects, but then there's definitely space for sub-articles on those topics. ] ] 15:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Your RfA == | |||
| ::In fact, their is no need for an article like ] or ]. We need a section in "Modern Greek" explaining the Greek diglossia, as FPaS says, and then, after the Greek language articles series is settled, something like ] or ] for a detailed account.--] 15:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Right, another valid point. Demotic and Katharevousa are certainly easier to treat substantially together in a single article. We just need to make sure the many incoming links to ] and ] are redirected to something sensible, and we don't irritate readers with having both these links side by side close together in a text when they effectively lead to the same target. ] ] 15:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I am pleased to let you know that, consensus reached, you are now an ]. You should find the following forums useful: | |||
| ===Greek language article series (4)=== | |||
| * ] | |||
| hm, so where is the bulk of this discussion going down? Best to keep it all in one place. Wikiproject Greek? Make sure to post a digest of any results to a permanent place, such as a Wikiproject, or a MoS page, so people joining the topic have a chance of finding them (nobody reads talk archives) ] <small>] 17:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * ] | |||
| :Most of the discussion is actually now here, right above - but I had to refactor it a bit to make it more easily recoverable. See also ]. ] ] 17:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * ] | |||
| :* ] | |||
| :* ] | |||
| Congratulations on your promotion and the best of luck with your new charge! ] 20:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ===CONGRATS!=== | |||
| == Κωνσταντινούπολη == | |||
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| Wow! this was an excellent analysis!:). exactly what i desperately wanted to say, but cause of my lack of how and when to use english linguistic terminology, i would never had made it... (in greek it would be ridiculously easy for me:p) ] 13:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.5em; text-align: center;" |'''A good ol' Kiwi Pav!''' | |||
| |- | |||
| |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |<br>I, Glen give you Future Perfect at Sunrise this '''delicious traditional ] ]''' for absolutely caining his RfA... welcome aboard!<br><br>] 20:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| |} | |||
| ==Just fishin...== | |||
| ...Like the bait? -> ] ] 21:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Jolly well done, old chap! Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions about being an admin; I would probably like to know the answers too! Best wishes and happy mopping! ] 21:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Admin. noticeboard == | |||
| Although I'm not an admin, I've left a message on ] talk page. Please let me know if you find another instance of plagiarism involving this editor. I am an impartial observer, who neither knows nor edits with any of the parties involved. I have also promised to request a siteban on this user if it happens again. ] 15:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Υπάρχουν διαχειριστές αρχίδια, και διαχειριστές με αρχίδια. Εσύ θα γίνεις το δεύτερο! Συγχαρητήρια φίλε! I'm proud of you! ] 22:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| See my comments on Deucalionite's Talk page. His ] article is very poor. --] 23:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, I guess I'm not going to translate that one to the others, or should I? :-) ] ] 22:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, Future Perfect. You made it at last, congratulations! When you start suffering from ], I'll be the one to diagnose it ;-) --] 22:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| <br><br><!--this shouldn't be necessary, but it is...?!--> | |||
| == ] == | |||
| FP, congratulations on your election. I hope it is a pleasure and not a burden.... --] 22:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Ah yes, you simply create an image similar to the ones at ] and ]. :) Perhaps ] could make the map for you... —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Congratulations.. good luck! ] - ] 12:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Tetrastyle == | |||
| Congratulations Future and all the best with your adminship. Cheers, ] (]) 12:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for your praise. I believe what they mean by "tetrastyle" is normally rendered in English as "four-pillared" or "four-columned" or (better still) "a church with a single dome supported on four piers". Best regards, <font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 16:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Now, you can block ] yourself! And ], too! (Well, me as well, but I can whell war you). ]<sup>]</sup> 13:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Turkish name; "Selanik" for "Thessaloniki" == | |||
| ::Hah! Those pesky common mortals can't even imagine how seductive it is to see that "block" button displayed next to every single mentioning of their names in those edit histories, right? ;-) But speaking of wheel-warring, I might be suffering from ] already: . ] ] 13:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Dear Future Perfect at Sunrise, | |||
| Yes you are right. If we add all foreign names to a city there would be a huge list. But except Turkish and especially for Selanik. | |||
| * Congratulations on your new and shiny mop and bucket! :) - ''Cheers'', ] 11:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Selanik was an Ottoman city during several hundreds years. Cultural roots of city (like as many other Greek cities) is Turkish and Greek. | |||
| There are historical relations of many hundred thousands of Turkish people with Selanik.Like me, as my grandpa born at that city.Also, Ataturk . | |||
| ::Sorry for arriving so embarassingly late in my congrats., but I've been away from wiki in these days. And remember, don't use the mop; use the bulldozer! ;-)--] 18:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| So,.. to add Turkish name to that city is not fanatism nor vandalism. | |||
| I will add again with my respects to you. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Is there no way to block for longer? His modus operandi so far has been making massive additions, and then waiting a few days until everyone has forgotten about him before popping up again and continuing the campaign. As you can see, there have been no other substantial edits from his account, so by blocking the IP for longer, there's little risk that it would limit productive editing from any user connected from that IP. ] 22:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, as this was my first ever block in my new life as an administrator, I thought I'd be conservative about block length. Also, I only saw him doing it on 4 November and 6 November. Have there been earlier activities under other IPs? ] ] 22:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Macedonian language == | |||
| Woo fucking hoo! I thought up a reasonable compromise, we can have a separate article for ] and then mention it in the disambig note. - ] ] 23:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Aha ha ha! Ha ha! Ha. Ha-huh? ] 23:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == '''Warning!''' == | |||
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| And knows how to use them! ] 00:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Architecture in ancient Greece== | |||
| If someone wants to write an article on this subject which treats the subject more fully than I have done at ], they are welcome to do so. But there is no point in just copying the text from one article and calling it a new article, which is all this is (apart from some rubbish content which would need to be deleted anyway). Unless you want to write a new article yourself, I suggest you leave well enough alone. ] 09:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not sure from your comments whether you are aware we are talking about two different articles: ], which you criticised, and ]. The former was designed as a diachronic summary article of all periodds of Greek architecture, and its "classical" section was indeed pretty much identical to that in ]. The latter, however, is substantially more than that, and makes sense as a subarticle (detail article) for the summary section in ], for all I can see. ] ] 09:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *] is an exact copy of the architectural section of ], which is where I wrote that text to go and where it belongs, in the context of a discussion of ancient Greek art as a while. A few changes have been made to it, nearly all bad. | |||
| *] is the same material, with some very poor material about Minoan and Mycenaean architecture stuck on the front, some mediocre material about Byzantine architecture at the end (already covered much better in ]) and one paragraph on the whole of modern Greek architecture (about which, as anyone who has seen modern Athens knows, the less said the better). | |||
| *My solution to this is to redirect both articles to ], and to allow someone to write ], ], ] and ] if they want to. However, if that is not acceptable to you, I will leave you to sort this mess out for yourself. Kali nikhta. ] 10:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Freshman == | |||
| Dear Future Perfect at Sunrise | |||
| Congrats. Please ask my free help when you need it. | |||
| Regards. | Regards. | ||
| ]] 09:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Congrats== | |||
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| |style="text-align:center;"| '''Congratulations'''. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy: | |||
| |- | |||
| |style="text-align:left;"| | |||
| # Remember you will always protect the ]. | |||
| # Remember you must always follow the ], except for when you ] them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) | |||
| # Remember to ] and not ]. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a ]. | |||
| # Use the ] ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. | |||
| # Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and ]. | |||
| # and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. | |||
| :: ]<sup>]</sup> | |||
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| ::Congratulations FPAS! I wish I could write something like that lol. If you ever need help, you know where to reach me. =) ''']]''' 00:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == "Inscriptions"... == | |||
| ...famous ones too! Check my last ]. ] 11:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Good catch. Welcome to the ], guest. ] ] 11:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::. Your comment in the other AfD was nice too, I concur. I should have added ] balls, or better !! ] 14:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Aha ha! Definitely !!! ] 14:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thanks...== | |||
| Congratulations and thanks for the thanks. It helped bring me up at a time when I am under both acute Wikistress and real life stress. Cheers! --] <sup>] · ]</sup> 00:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Glad to have you on board == | |||
| Glad your RfA went well; congratulations. ] 00:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| My pleasure, and congratulations! ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Congratulations! A pleasure to have you on the team -- ] 01:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ** Me too! Me too! Congratulations! ]] 03:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I somehow forgot to take part in your RfA - but I definitely would have supported! All the best. ''']_]''' 06:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == More of the Buddhism business == | |||
| Per your advice I opened an RfC. There's been no disruption of the main article since. However, Dembot put in his version at the redirect page ] (and changed another redirect page, ] to link to his version; the third redirect page, ], was left alone this time although he has cut-and-pasted the his prefered version there in the past). I reverted it. I don't know if that's the kind of disruption you had in mind in your comment on my Talk page, but it seemed a heads-up might be in order. ] 04:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re IP == | |||
| Ummm, I don't know. The flag seems to be official (see for instance ]). Aesthetically it's not super, but moving is different than deleting. I also kinda prefer ]. WHOIS says Germany, but the IP doesn't match anyone we know. What do you propose? ] 11:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :! I'll join in. Thanks. ] 11:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Congradulations, Future Perfect at Sunrise!;-). I am sure u will do great as an admin and that u will use wisely your new buttons. Cheers! ] 13:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| FP, could you check my latest edits. It's your favorite kind of editing dispute - do you want to help?--] 15:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :My favourite? Yeah, just like oranges with chocolate is my favourite dessert flavour. Brrrrrrr. Yuck. Μπλιαχ. ] ] 15:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re == | |||
| I was adding it, just had an editing conflict and lost what I wrote. Just did it again. Thanks.--] 16:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Opinion please == | |||
| I've formulated a proposal and need to know what other people think about it. See ] (and click ''talk'' for your comments). The proposal is a result of a lengthy debate/poll in ], but it extends obviously beyond Europe, so I made a subpage before I post it in ]. Thanks. ] 22:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Turkish saints== | |||
| I didn't anticipate this would generate heat. Thanks for the head's up.--] ]/] 23:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Argggghhh == | |||
| We get through a morning of disruption on Turkey-related articles, only to see ] on Greece-related articles. :-( I have to go soon, you think you can hold down the fort until I get back? Thanks, <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 23:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Heh, I sometimes forget not everyone lives in California. Alright, take care. <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 23:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Persian == | |||
| The history section looked with non-existent templates used as section headers etc. But before you even wrote to me, I had put back most of the anon's edits, and I'm still working on the article. Cheers :) --] 10:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Heaton Butler bayne and all the rest == | |||
| It's going to take a while- I'm presently working on Willement, who is the earliest of the 19th C British SG artists. | |||
| There's not a lot of info available on some of the firms, but i DO have some pretty pictures! | |||
| Take a look at ] and you'll see what it's all about.. | |||
| --] 12:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| Hey Future Perf.. congrats on becoming an admin and thanks for supporting mine and thanks too for being the first to congratulate me! Yours was one of the most viewed RFAs by me (being adjacent has its hazards:). Take care and just holler if any assistance required at all. -- ]] 18:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == IP unblock == | |||
| Thanks for the unblock, and sorry if I was impatient. It's frustrating. I've left a fairly detailed (and somewhat strong) and if you think it was out of line please do let me know. - ]<sup><small>20:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)</small></sup> | |||
| == Help please == | |||
| Politis re-created by mistake. Maybe he hadn't cleared his cache and saw it blue or smthng. Can you re-delete the talk? ] 22:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Done. It turns out the Supreme Cabal Regime of the English Misplaced Pages (SCREW), in their abundant wisdom, even devised an extra ] for this case. You live and learn. ] ] 22:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. Your view on that other thing is not urgent, although ] may be more of an urgent situation. We have a first there: Anon votes counted in poll! ] 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::This is becoming a ]! ] 22:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've never seen anon votes before in my entire wikilife. How are we supposed to count dynamic multivoting IPs? You already know I have participated in dozens of polls, and everytime I see anons stricken. Also, ''elections'' would suffice in ]; and ''your vote count'' clearly refers to another issue (IMO). In any case, that'll be a first! I know Saxifrage is an experienced admin (he helped me once), but I think this is wrong judgement. Also, I kinda don't like it that every single opposing vote has to be dealt with extensive flooding comments from Oz and others. There seems to be a constant pushing that refuses to acknowledge the existence of yet one other POV in that talk. And, sorry to say, but I am afraid that Saxifrage has been misguided to become part of it. ] 23:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, whatever, but in any case, straw polls aren't supposed to be evaluated by vote "counting" anyway, but by weight of arguments. If that guy made some intelligent argument, and there's no reason to suspect he's double participating (which he could just as easily be doing if he was an account, come to think of it), then I'd say his opinion is part of the poll just like any other. AGF goes for anons too. ] ] 23:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Whatever, sure, but it's still a first. Anyway, there seems to be an unbridgeable difference there, and the poll is going head-to-head from the beginning. No clear consensus either-way I guess... ] 00:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Greek islands == | |||
| I'm thinking of semi-protecting these articles - do you think this would be "using admin powers in a content dispute"? I think it's pretty clear that Mywayyy is possibly involved (there are no restrictions with banned users). <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 02:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, '''if''' it's "using admin powers in a content dispute", then this is probably also "one admin telling another they're not in a content dispute when they both are"... But anyway, it's got to be stopped somehow, and Aldux used to employ semiprotection liberally for the same purpose, so I guess, yes, go ahead as far as I'm concerned. ] ] 02:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Alright, I'll do just that. If admins complain then I can unprotect. <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 02:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Move help== | |||
| Thanks, could you please also fix the talk page move as well? Some glitch there. Thanks. --] 11:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Right, sorry, forgot about that. ] ] 11:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Tekleni == | |||
| ] is without a doubt Tekleni (he made only three edits, all doing the exact same reverts Tekleni did, and all right after you blocked him). Do you have any plans to deal with him other than just the current 3RR block? <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 20:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah. Sounds like a good idea. Maybe, as a good friend of his, you could ask him nicely not to use sockpuppets? :) <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Will u please revert the article ] and fully protect it? wtf is going on with all those socks? ] 21:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Can you revert it yourself? I'm tired. Kaltsef is blocked, the latest guy is legitimate. ] ] 22:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::OK. hope it won't be reverted again this time. ] 22:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: ] (AIV) == | |||
| Sorry, admin crossover. I actually speedied the article as A7 (without prejudice for fuller re-creation) and blocked Waiting4 for revert-warring and personal attacks, before I saw your comments on AIV. Adding the deletion tag was a legitimate content issue, repeatedly removing it and reacting with a personal-attacks rampage across multiple pages was unacceptable. Feel free to review. ] ] 11:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It doesn't require a review, the article was a substub without asserting notability. I've just pointed this out to ]. Regards, ] 11:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == DELETE == | |||
| I want no more to do with your house of trolls. | |||
| btw, you are a fucking idiot. ] 11:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == {{userlinks|Waiting4}} == | |||
| I say the only thing ] is waiting for is an indefinite block. Edits like , , and leave me no doubt this is a garden-variety troll. | |||
| P.S. If you read this and no other admin has beaten you to it, please delete the broken redirects ], ], and ]. ] 13:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Altaic (again)== | |||
| Hi, first of all, congratulations for your adminship. I think, at the end, we solved our dispute about the dispute. Together with ], we proposed a new solution to the tag problem also keeping ]'s comment "''the infobox says "Language family", and if Altaic is not a family then removing the tags could eventually turn out to be misleading''" in mind. The ] page (which is nearly a copy-paste edit) was merged with the ] page. The solution for the info box is as follows: | |||
| ]:]<ref>" Ethnologue"</ref> (]) | |||
| <references/> | |||
| As an example, see ]. | |||
| What do you think? Cheers! ] 15:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :A bit heavy, but okay with me. Thanks! ] ] 22:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, certainly. I guess the tags in themselves do not give much information to the general reader. For this reason, better than much ado about nothing. Cheers! ] 22:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Hah == | |||
| I get it, the non-reversion/non-blocking/non-] of is a ] attempt to deal with it, huh? ] 22:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah, didn't notice those two. As befits my new true face displayed on my userpage, I'm building up a reputation for dealing with things in a very non-blocking way, unoffensive way. ;-) Just kidding, I'd simply not seen those yet... ] ] 23:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Actually I was serious. We don't wanna block all IP's from that country now, do we? Anyway, I hope you saw what happened to that other anon we were disagreeing about... ] 23:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Wait a moment, help up my memory - which one do you mean? ] ] 23:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Adminitis has made you loose the count huh? About the anon voter at ]... ] 00:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Ah, I see. Unconfirmed sock suspicions. Of course, that could happen with a normal account too, although when an account has been active for a bit longer one can usually tell a bit more easily. ] ] 00:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Well, that 'sound intro' I was talking about, definitely becomes moot by the 'same-location' result. Doesn't it... ] 00:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| The sock of ] has after some discussion with me produce more reliable sources and such about the article. I said that if he went back to his original account I'd talk to you about allowing recreation of the article. See ]. ] 22:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi, thanks for dealing with him. Actually, I was responding on his talk page just the same minute. Of course I have no problem with a properly created page on that topic, and the account can be unblocked as soon as we have some assurance he's going to behave. ] ] 23:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi. I am puzzled about the above named article. Was there such an article which was deleted at some time? I see a bunch of AfDs for other Lutheran Schools of Theology, which refer to an Afd for this one. The abovenamed school appears to be a legitimate and accredited one, with 32000 Google hits. Its web page says "The Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia is one of eight seminaries affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), a denomination with about 11,000 congregations in the United States and some 5.2 million baptized members." As such, it should have gone through the norman AfD process so that other editors could comment on the nomination and perhaps correct flaws in the article. I see you are an administrator, so I am hereby requesting that you post a copy of the speedily deleted article to my user page so I can see what was lacking in it and perhaps provide evidence of the notability of the school. Thanks. ] 06:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Sorry For The Messups == | |||
| Sorry for the mess up. I won't revert anymore talk pages now; I think I stopped before you told me so I'm hoping I haven't gotten reported for 3RR over this. ^^; I'll probably take a break this evening from wiki lest I goof something else up by accident. Sorry again and thanks for the heads up. :) -] 06:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Username blocks == | |||
| Unfortunately for Registered users the account creation tab makes no difference; I wondered that same thing myself for ages... but yep, thats the way our software works ** shrug ** Hope this helps? ] 12:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Autoblock Removal== | |||
| Heya, just a quick thanks for removing the autoblock that was stopping me editing. ] 12:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hold on, I came first and now you just rephrase my words? I'll sue you for a copyvio! | |||
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| ==Hey== | |||
| I saw your revision regarding Ayin and wanted to discuss it. I take my information from the following locations: | |||
| Please see ] for a list of 100 sources for his 1. Sources were taken from international organisations, journals and published books and university sites. - ] ] 17:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *] - "It is usually transliterated into the Latin alphabet with ʿ, a symbol based on the Greek spiritus asper " | |||
| :Yeah, congrats, you made it. What did you wager for? :-) ] ] 17:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *] - (Regarding various pronunciations of Ayin): "One could argue that the initial "h" was simply a transcription, akin to greek (...) spiritus asper," | |||
| * - (Regarding the transliteration of 'ayin') - the LXX reproduce (ayin) by a spiritus (lenis or asper) (sic). | |||
| ::I've no idea :/ :) - ] ] 10:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Given the wikipedia description and Gesenius (who is considered an expert in such things), it seems reasonable to say that the spiritus asper mark us used to represent the Hebrew 'ayin'. | |||
| :::I was secretly betting that in his effort he would produce more links for my position. He did. ] 14:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Why do you disagree? --] 18:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Where? ] ] 14:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Greek translation == | |||
| :The difference is that spiritus asper is a diacritc, while the latin version of 'ayin is its own proper symbol. ] (]·]·]) 19:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I see you're fairly conversant in Greek, so I'd like to ask if you could translate something for me. I managed to get the gist of it through ], but there are a couple words that it isn't translating, and I was wondering if they were insults or something (anything that's contrary to ]): | |||
| ::I understand that there is a difference in how it is used. But it is still a "spiritus asper", is it not? At least that is how the literature in such things refers to it. --] 19:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Η Χουντα της βικιπεδια''' | |||
| :::Well, its adoption in Latin transcription of Hebrew may certainly be ''based on'' the Greek spiritus, as the ] article says, but they are still distinct signs. And I can't follow you in saying "that is how the literature ... refers to it." The jewish languages discussion forum you're quoting seems to be discussing the use of the actual Latin letter "h", *not* the spiritus sign, in some pre-modern systems of rendering Hebrew. The Gesenius grammar notes that the spiritus asper corresponds in pronunciation to a different Hebrew letter (an actual /h/ sound). Where it's saying that Ayin was rendered by way of approximation in Greek by either of the two spiritus, that's different on several counts: First, we're dealing with usage ''in Greek'', not with the usage of adopting the spiritus-based sign ''in Latin''. Second, saying that it was rendered by ''either of the two'' spiritus basically means it wasn't rendered at all - in Greek writing, you just have to have either of the two spiritus on an initial vowel, and by the time the LXX was written these no longer made any actual phonetic difference, as far as I recall. ] ] 23:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Εχουμε μπλεξει με χουντικους αντμιν. Ερχονται και με απειλουνε να μην βαζω σηματα ομαδων (!!!) στην UserPage μου. Ρε ποσο μαλακες μπορει να γινουν μερικοι? ΕΛΕΟΣ | |||
| Thanks for any help. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 18:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :"The Misplaced Pages Junta - We've run into trouble with dictatorial/fascist(1) admins. They come and threaten me I shouldn't have symbols of (football?) clubs on my user page. How big idiots(2) can some people be? Heavens!" | |||
| ::::Ok. Can you help me out? What is the symbol (ʿ) typically called when you spell ʿayin with it? When I look it up, I find the term "spiritus asper" most frequently. And it seems right also because of the pronunciation. But evidently that is not what it is called. I know it is not called "an apostrophe" (in fact that would be the wrong mark). It seems that wikipedia in one place calls it a spiritus asper, but from what I can tell based upon your knowledge this is wrong. So I am confused. I see that both this symbol and the spiritus asper symbol are defined as "left half circle" marks. To me they both look the same and indicate similar pronunciations, the difference being that sometimes it is used in Greek and sometimes it is used in Hebrew or Arabic. But if it is not the same thing then what is it called? --] 00:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :(1) "χουντικους" refers to the right-wing dictatorial regime of 1967-74, so a translation as "fascist" is a little bit strong. | |||
| :(2) see ]. | |||
| :] ] 18:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 18:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::For number 1 it's more like 'authoritarian' in everyday speech. For number 2 check ] where I've made some tweaks since protection. I need more sources for that, please help (FP). ] 14:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Thank you for promptly removing the block on my user account due to someone else at my IP address. As you probably know, I'm access the Misplaced Pages through ]'s network, so blocking that one IP stops everyone from the university from editing. Thanks again! --] 04:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Koine Greek == | |||
| Thanks for correcting my Greek mistake on ]. Someday I'll actually learn the language and maybe won't make corrections without knowing what I'm talking about. :) ] (<small>]</small>) 04:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Template== | |||
| As you might remember, the conflict related with the template goes on. As you already commented on this in the talk/discussion page. | |||
| I'm sending you the message left to my talk page as follows: | |||
| ] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ]. | |||
| Regards ] 11:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == suspected sock of RunedChozo == | |||
| please see {{User|Wheelygood}} whose account was created ten minutes after you blocked RunedChozo and has been reverting on those same pages, accompanied with personal attacks. ] 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Uh-oh... :-( ] ] 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Lokodd Vandalism == | |||
| ] is changing information about population in many articles. He is climing Brazil has 20 million Germans everywhere ( I am from Brazil and WE DO NOT HAVE 20 million Germans here). | |||
| He is also changing information about ], ], without sources. | |||
| I told him not to keep changing population informations without real sources, and he attacked my discussion page with offensive words. | |||
| I know it's him, because he posts here using his nickname, Lokodd, and also with his IP Adress, 200.161.82.68. | |||
| Please, do something about it... | |||
| == Ak Koyunlu Edit Wars == | |||
| I'm certain your interpretation of what was going on is better than mine, but the discussion history is just absurd, and when the participants are edit-warring in lieu of discussing on the talk page, it's hard to follow. I do see now there is a banner and the Turkish script name at issue. Thanks for bothering to take the time to catch at least one other of these. ] 21:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Case of possible speedy deletion== | |||
| I received this message from ]: | |||
| "] is an advertising spam article created by ] and he's put a few links to the article here and there, for example on ]. Not quite sure what to do, but I thought I'd let you know since you're an admin and everything. He originally put a link to the MTS Drivers website on the ] page but I deleted it. It seems he's back and is determined to advertise his site on Misplaced Pages :-)" | |||
| You can check his full message in my talk page. I saw the article and, for me, it is in the category "Speedy deletion" (blatant advertising). I've already tagged it. I think you should check it as an administrator. | |||
| Thanks!--] 09:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Khosrow's block == | |||
| Hey Fut, I'm just letting you know that I've unblocked Khosrow and reblocked him for an extra 54 hours (72 in total). Last time he breached 3RR, he asked me to unblock him early, and I agreed to, but I told him that if he breached 3RR again, he would be blocked for 48 hours. He agreed to this. But in this instance, because he was also edit warring on other articles, I've made it longer than 48. The short blocks don't seem to have been making an impression and instead of admitting at least ''some'' fault and trying to rectify the problem, he always responds with allegations that they are "unjustified" and suggestions of admin abuse, but with no evidence. I hope you don't mind me changing your block, but I feel I need to hold him accountable to the agreement he made with me. <br /> | |||
| Do you know if the other users he claims breached 3RR did or not? <br /> | |||
| Thanks, Fut. Cheers, ] (]) 14:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah, no problem with me, he's yours. ;-) As for Karcha, Zaparojdik, and Jidan: Karcha has just been indef-blocked as a sockpuppet. I'm actually skeptical about the sock allegation, but he's clearly a disruptive edit-warrior, no doubt about that. Zaparojdik I actually let off the hook with a last warning last time I came across him, but there were rather special circumstances involved; he needs some watching. Jidan has been a party to several very long-standing edit-warring disputes, and seems to have been skirting 3RR occasionally, ] seems to be a case in point but I haven't been monitoring that one. In short, just like in Khosrow's case, I'm not aware that any of them breached 3RR ''literally'' recently, but there's a tradition of edit warring with all three, I think. ] ] 14:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Sag mal, geht`s noch?! == | |||
| In order to prevent (further) missinterpretations due to my lack of a proper English I would like to continue in German: | |||
| Lieber Future Perfect, | |||
| Du hast meine IP (194.9.5.12) für eine Woche geblockt, weil ich "offensichtlich" ein "sockpuppet" von "Ulritz" bin (=> "You are blocked for one week as an obvious sockpuppet of User:Ulritz under the Arbcom ruling, for revert-warring on Dutch people. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)") | |||
| Dazu habe ich das Folgende zu sagen: | |||
| 1. ich bin NICHT Ulritz! | |||
| 2. ich kenne ihn auch NICHT, ich habe nie mit ihm gesprochen oder sonstwie kommuniziert! | |||
| 3. wenn ich zu Ulritz letzten Block angemerkt habe, es handelt es sich um einen Verstoß gegen das strafrechtliche Analogieverbot, so liegt dies nicht daran, dass Ulritz so ein toller Typ ist, sondern es sich um einen elementaren Grunsatz des (interantionalen) Strafrechts gehört, was mir als Jurist nunmal zufällig geläufig ist (siehe dazu zB Hans-Heinrich Jescheck "Strafrecht AT"). | |||
| 4. Auch einem Nichtjuristen wie Dir sollte aber der Rechtsgrundsatz "in dubio pro reo" bzw. "jemand gilt so lange als unschuldig bis ihm seine Unschuld nachgewiesen wurde" geläufig sein. | |||
| 5. Obwohl ich also eigentlich nicht meine Unschuld beweisen müsste, so habe ich Rex Germanus nun schon diverse Male versichert, dass ich nicht Ulritz bin und ihn auch nicht kenne und in diesem zusammenhang sogar angegeben, dass meine IP in Frankfurt/Deutschland ist und ich deutscher Anwalt bin. | |||
| 6. Soweit Du es im übrigen für sockpuppeterie" (was für ein beknacktes Wort!) halten solltest, dass ich gegen Einträge wie "Unless they're Germans, then you can just shoot them" oder "Germans were seen as uneducated, grumpy peasants who served as cheap labour to the wealthier Dutch" opponiere, welche dann auch noch mit Quellen wie www.engelfriet.net belegt werden, dann weiß ich wirklich nicht, ob Du nicht "an obvious sockpuppet" von Rex Germanus bist, der übrigens auch der Initator der berühmt berüchtigten "various terms used for Germans"-Seite ist, auf der sich jeder Deutschenhasser mal so richtig nach Lust und laune austoben kann. | |||
| Also, nimm es bitte nicht persönlich, aber ich habe den Eindruck, dass Du Dir nicht allzuviel Mühe gemacht zu haben scheinst, die Behauptungen von Rex zu verifizieren, sondern einfach mal geblockt hast (und damit übrigens die IP meiner Kanzlei, die ungefähr von 200 Leuten benutzt wird). Man hätte ja zB mal überprüfen können, ob meine IP auch wie von mir angegeben in Frankfurt liegt oder einfach mal den guten Ulritz fragen können. | |||
| Ich möchte Dich daher bitten, den Block aufzuheben oder mir zumindest dazulegen was ich nach Deiner Einschätzung verbrochen habe. | |||
| Vielen Dank für Deine Bemühungen im voraus und ein schönes WE! (] 17:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)) | |||
| ps: das ist übrigens die IP meiner Freundin | |||
| :Hi (answering in English, I suppose you won't mind). - You were engaged in some pretty nasty revert-warring, so ''some'' block was clearly warranted, it was just a question of whether it would be a "normal" 3RR block or an Arbcom block. Immediately after I blocked you I submitted the case to checkuser for review (]). I was then away for most of yesterday and couldn't react immediately. By the time I came back, Dmcdevit had indeed responded that you were likely not identical with Ulritz. However, he and Fred Bauder had also made the proposal that you should be included in the same Arbcom probation as Rex and Ulritz (see ], towards the bottom). That's not official yet, but I took it to mean that at least they supported the block. | |||
| :By the way, as for principles of just process, Misplaced Pages policy is in fact counter to real-world justice insofar as ''in dubio pro reo'' is explicitly ''not'' upheld with sockpuppet suspicions. You may not like it, but that's the way it is (it's somewhere in ], don't remember where.) | |||
| :So, well, okay, I'll go out on a leg and unblock, sort of shortening this to a "normal" 3RR case. But be aware of that pending Arbcom injunction against you - you might as well start behaving as if it was already in place right now. '''Absolutely no further revert-warring tolerated'''. | |||
| :Oh, and by the way, the "correct" way of making such a request would have been with an {unblock} on your own talk page, that way you wouldn't have needed to break the block the way you did now. ] ] 18:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Vielen Dank für die Rücknahme des Blocks. Daß ich nun aber in den Rex/Ulritz-Streit miteinbezogen werde, finde ich nicht in Ordnung und möchte daher hiermit dagegen in aller Form protestieren. Im übrigen hätte es mich gefreut, wenn Du auch auf die von mir angegebenen Gründe für meine Reverts eingegangen wärst. Jedenfalls finde ich es schon äusserst bemerkenswert, dass dieser mitunter gröbste Unfug auch noch von Administratoren unterstützt wird. Im Ergebnis kann ich also zB eine auf die Quelle www.sesamstraße.de gestützte Behauptung, dass 1+1=3 ist nun also 3x (bzw. nur noch 1x) auf 1+1=2 korrigieren und werde dann geblockt?! Bizarr! Wie dem auch immer sei, ich werde mich von nun an auf die deutsche Misplaced Pages konzentrieren, denn dort scheint noch die Vernunft zu regieren. Schade nur, dass die englische Version von Millionen von Leuten genutzt wird, die nun zB glauben, dass die Niederländer jeden Deutschen am Liebsten erschiessen würden... (] 09:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)) | |||
| :Nur um das klarzustellen, mit der Arbcom-Entscheidung habe ich nichts zu tun. Aber wenn du doch mal weiter hier auf en. tätig sein willst, solltest du dir auf jeden Fall vorher ] und ] reinziehen. ] ] 09:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Hi:) == | |||
| You wrote me about my "article" Acropolis Museum. Thank you and...you're right!I want to write more about it...I am looking for more informations.:)Pearlin | |||
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| For that :) - ] ] 22:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :I don't really worry! I just wanted to make a slightly humoristic comment. Thanks for informing me about the issue in dispute, because, when I saw these loooooooooooong lists I decided not to read them and just ask for a summary you just provided me!!! Cheers!--] 14:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Help me == | ||
| Hello. Because I want to be a good Wikipedian and to avoid mistakes in the future, I would like to ask you for some help if you agree. I don't want to make war with you, and because you're the only Misplaced Pages expert i know, I ask you some questions before I write something :-). First, as I could understand it's possible to use a DVD cover (photo) without asking any licence from the Label, is that truth? --] 17:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Like the disguise? :)) — I'd been meaning to do this for some time anyway, now I can look cool like ], ] and all those other guys with spaces in their names! (I mean you of course!) - ] ] 11:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for your help. I have puted some new things on the page. They are all from google and yahoo research engine. Tell me if you like it? :-) --] 14:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Haha, too late now :) They already did it. Maybe someone will put me up for nomination in a month or so (when I have the requisite amount of edits -- currently stands at 45) :) - ] ] 15:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hello. I don't think that it is exaggerated now. There is no any enthusiastic word. Actually, I think that it is poor now. Trust me, I'm Macedonian and we never had such a successful opera singer before, from Macedonia. I'm studying opera singing and I follow the opera since i was a little child. It's a great success to sing at the Salzburg Festival, Zurich Opernhaus, Stuttgart Staatsoper, Bruxelles' "La Monnaie", Teatro Carlo Felice from Genova etc. and finally, the bigest success is to debut at the age of 23 in Teatro dell'Opera di Roma with a conductor as Daniel Oren. | |||
| ::I think the policy is to only give out adminship again through an RfA. Plus, I want to make sure that the community feels I am suitable for adminship, not just the people I work with (As much as I love you all) :) But seriously, I'd like to give it a month of editing as a normal editor. Perhaps when I come back from Serbia/Macedonia in November? - ] ] 15:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| --] 14:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I just want to tell you that in the last 20 years there are about 40 theaters in the world that you can consider "first class". 30 years ago there were only La Scala di Milano, Metropolitan Opera New York, Covent Garden London, Opera de Paris, Vienna Staatsoper but now, theaters like, Stuttgart, Berlin, Frankfurt, Dresden, Hamburg, Munich (Germany), Genova, Torino, Naples, Rome, Parma, Cagliari, Florence (Italy), Zurich, Geneve (Switzerland), Paris, Lyon, Nice, Marseille (France), Bruxelles (Belgium), Amsterdam (Holland), Salzburg (Austria), Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco (USA), Madrid, Barcelona (Spain), Tokyo (Japan)... are in the same category like the 5 mentioned before, and Nacoski sings in theaters from this category, not in Vichy, Leeds, Perugia or something similar. That's why he is so successful. And he started singing there from the begining of his carrier, not like other young singers that have to sing before in small theaters and then if they are good (and lucky) they can sing in the inportant theaters. | |||
| == IPA == | |||
| --] 14:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I will contact Nacoski's mother about the image. I doubt I can find him in Macedonia... :-)--] 14:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Right. These days, I keep hitting unto topics that need debate, and then never find the energy of actually following them through to the end. :-( As I said, I'd prefer a ] on a (liberally) ] level. See the tables in my temporary ] for the symbol repertoire. Instead of we might also use {{Unicode|}} (k with palatalization hook) - not standard part of IPA, but quite widely used in phonological treatments of Modern Greek, or {{Unicode|}}. Both are easier to understand for the lay reader than , I think, and they might actually be more exact than . If you like {{IPA|}}, then {{IPA|ɡʲ}} instead of {{IPA|}} would be the obvious analogous choice. The voiced stops can be {{IPA|}} or {{IPA|}} according to their most common standard realisation (intervocalic or otherwise). {{IPA|}} rather than {{IPA|}}, for simplicity. Stress marked by a single {{IPA|}} primary stress mark. Vowels simply . ] ] 09:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==List of insular languages== | |||
| Thank you for the competition Fut. But I can't understand why I can't use only Macedonia, when most of the people (countries) in the world call us that way. Then we have to use always for example: Republic of Italy, Federal Republic of Germany, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland... and we can't use simply America for USA :-). The Greeks are really crazy and without brain, I'm sorry --] 21:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| There's no reason to waste time and resources to let this go on in AfD. I strongly dispute your ruling, and I want a second opinion from another admin. I've seen you do this before, because I remember that pic with your sloppy long hair. ] 12:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I think it is fair enough from the both sides (Greek and Macedonian) to use Republic of Macedonia for my country. The fact that makes me very angry is that a lot of Greeks and Bulgarians write a lot of lies about ] on wikipedia. Anyone can open an encyklopedia and read that those things are pure lies. I'm not a nationalist at all, but I know the history of the Balkan peninsula very well. Anyway, thanks for your advices, you're very kind --] 21:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Answered == | |||
| ::So FP@S, reading the discussion, I'd like to ask, what do you think about phrases like "Greeks are crazy and without a brain", and the particularly blatant lots of Greek and Bulgarian lies. ] 22:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi. I've answered your questions on my talk page. ] 16:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Aq Qoyunlu or Ak Koyunlu? == | |||
| == Ban == | |||
| I noticed that you have portected the article ] and just wanted to say that the CORRET spelling of the name is ''A'''q Q'''oyunlū''. The '''q'''-sound is an '''original''' Turkic sound only lost in modern ] (which replaces it with a normal /k/ sound), while it is preserved in allmost all other Turkic languages. | |||
| Thanks for clarifying; your edits were very good. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 20:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The ''Aq Qyolunlu'' Turcomans were a Turkic tribe from Central Asia who were deported to the Caucasus by ]. | |||
| Check your email. ] 13:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Besides the historical facts, the spelling ''Aq Qoyunlu'' and ''Qara Qoyunlu'' are also used by major scholarly and academic sources, such as the ], ], and . | |||
| == Question == | |||
| See | |||
| Hey Fut.Perf, would you be able to answer a question for me? I noticed at the ] article the transliteration of "Τραπεζούντα" is "Trapezoún'''d'''a", but at ] they give "Trapezoún'''t'''a". Can you tell me which one is correct? Thanks. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 22:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| It's sad that articles are currently protected because of issues like this one! | |||
| :"nt" is pronounced "nd". IMO the transliteration should be either etymological or phonetic: in the former case it would be ''Trapezoúnta'', in the latter ''Trapezúnda''. --] 22:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] 22:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ok, thanks. I also noticed at ] a third one, "Trapezúnda". | |||
| :Hi Tajik, the protection under the "K" title (but incidentally in the "Q" version of the text) was purely coincidental, a typical case of ]. Just as the sister article was incidentally locked in the "Q" version. I can follow your argument, linguistically speaking. With respect to Misplaced Pages naming policy, I think the single most decisive argument should be what is most common in the English-speaking literature. Maybe you should ask the Turkish editors to come forward with sources if there's a significant amount of English literature using the "K" spelling. It's just that we need some assurance this won't erupt into edit-warring again once they are unlocked, so you'll have to find some way to hammer out a consensus or a compromise with them. ] ] 23:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Also, when you type in , it seems as if you only get Misplaced Pages mirrors. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 22:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I do not expect much support or ''good will'' from the Turkish editors in that article, because they have proven to be rather on an extreme "pro-Turkey" path, i.e. putting Turkish interests over everything else (they even try to establish modern Anatolian expressions in articles such as ] or ] who had absolutely nothing to dow ith modern Anatolian Turkish or the History of Turkey). | |||
| :: I think that the spelling "Ak Koyonlu" is the most frequent spelling in English sources, yet, the most reliable and partly authoritative sources (], which is the major source for oriental studies in English, as well as the ]) both use the original "Qara", "Aq", and "Qoyunlu". | |||
| :: I would also like to point out that the English Misplaced Pages uses the Turkish spelling "Atatürk" instead of the English spelling "Ataturk". So, it's not always about "most used spellings" but also about the "best and most correct spellings". I suggest to use the original "Aq Qoyunlu" (as supported by awarded scholars in the mentioned encyclopaedias), with "Ak Koyunlu" redirecting to that article. | |||
| :: ] 23:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, it's really not up to me to decide. Your admitting that "k" might be more common in English would lend some prima facie plausibility to the other view - and there may still be sources among the "K" users equally reputable to the three "Q" users you mentioned. Let the other editors come up with some. Really, I don't want to decide this, I just want to see that there's some real, constructive dialogue going on before I unprotect. ] ] 23:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Personal attacks == | |||
| :::Could well be. I think Tzekai is spot on here: "Trapezounta" (with ou and t) is a good ], "Trapezunda" (with u and d) is a good ], "Trapezounda" is sort of in between and neither. As for the background to the "nt/nd" thing, see my draft article (still woefully incomplete) at ]. ] ] 07:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ... by an anon: Your help as an admin is needed. Thanks. ] 17:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Alright then. Nice article btw! —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 07:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, there's not really an awful lot I can do about a guy from a dynamic IP who makes a few edits and then vanishes. Is he identical with somebody else we know, or has he made similar attacks from other IPs? For the moment, I'd recommend just remove the b..t and ignore him. His IP is a dynamic one from a DSL provider in Istanbul. I see two admins are already after him anyway and warned him. Let us know if he comes back again and keeps being obnoxious. ] ] 17:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Greek Motto == | |||
| :: I see. Thanks anyway. ] 17:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == GreekWarrior == | |||
| Hi. I never questioned if that phrase is the greek national motto in my whole life! but i will try to find a citation to make it clearer. Ciao ] 21:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, I just noticed today, and it reminded me of ]. Sure enough, when I did a WHOIS, the IP was located in London. I've blocked it for one month as a reincarnation of GreekWarrior. I know you were involved in his ArbCom, so you might want to list this at the "List of blocks and bans". Cheers, <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 19:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Hi== | |||
| Hi there. I just wanted to let you know that I responded to you on my AfD. I'm curious to know what you have to say. Cheers, ] 16:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah, thanks. I ''think'' the anon might be a user who has had conflicts with Tajik in the past: ]/]. I'm guessing this because it's likely that he's the same person as {{user|85.100.33.205}}, {{user|85.99.95.67}}, and {{user|85.102.187.247}} (check the edit histories (and talk pages) of ] and ]). He's a nice guy, as you can see from Kizzuwatna and Chapultepec talk pages, but seems to be pretty mad right now. I could be wrong, but that's my guess. | |||
| == Admin? == | |||
| :Karcha's IP is {{user|144.122.113.91}} and the other anon is {{user|144.122.113.136}}, that makes sense. I'll keep an eye on him. | |||
| Now, you polyglot and Niko's compatriot, would '''you''' like to give it a try for an admin ]? I thought you were one and you certainly act like one (]). | |||
| :Cheers, <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 19:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If you disagree, I will block you for good, of course. ] 15:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : |
::Also do a RDNS lookup for the two last ones, you'll see what I mean. ] ] 19:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
| I'm not sure, maybe a checkuser is necessary? <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; class="plainlinks">]]</span> 23:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hey, thank you both! I'm honoured. Actually, I was toying with the idea myself (especially since I lost Francis), but to be honest right now I'd prefer to give it another few weeks. Let me just quack on for a little while (blocked or not) to readjust my wikirole. For my own taste, I've been doing to much talkpage debating and too little actual article editing recently. I'd want to first get a few long-standing article projects done. But I guess I'll come back to you some time! :-) ] ] 15:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Puppetry allegation == | |||
| Do you know the joke with the psychotherapist? A patient who visited him burst laughing outside his office. When the doctor asked him why, he responded: ''You call us insane, but it is '''you''' who has put a label infront of your office, admitting you are psycho-the-rapist!'' In the same sense, we could say ''Admin-is-trator!!'' You have no chance you polyglot compatriot impersonator pov-pusher! :-) ] 21:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Dear FPaS, | |||
| == Hi == | |||
| I took an email from ] about allegation for that user and ]. | |||
| He brings evidences about IP numbers, and adress.He needs help. | |||
| I sent these info to you by mail since there are a lot of personal info.Please check your mail box. | |||
| Sorry for my mediation. | |||
| Regards.]] 19:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What would you require me to do to prove that I will not be abusive again? I am prepared to accept some kind of suspended sentence if this is what you want. I have admitted I was wrong. I will try to change.--] 15:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Does this read like an advertisement to you?== | |||
| :Well, to tell you the truth, I didn't see any such sign anywhere so far, and after all that long history of opportunities, I'm skeptical if I would trust you. It's not up to me to decide, but personally, I must say I would be uncomfortable seeing you around and meeting you on topics I'm interested in, knowing your opinions (which apparently haven't changed, and which I find absolutely contemptible), even if you were outwardly well-behaving. Upshot is, I'm not going to get involved actively in this case either way. I won't rally opinion against a ban-lifting arrangement, in the (unlikely) event that the Arbcom should be prepared for one, but don't expect any help from me. ] ] 15:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| In the version below, I extended the table showing the list of organization successions by adding two columns to the right: the first column entitled "customer registrations" and the second column "cumulative customer registrations" as shown in the URL below: | |||
| == God == | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Landmark_Education&oldid=89157364 | |||
| Unfortunately, I have not found another source except ''Kluge'' yet. But it would be great if you could integrate the already discussed points into the article (since your English is way better than mine lol). Thx. ] 13:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Okay, I'll have a look again. I was just not yet quite sure how to integrate the "*gheu-" story with the other "*ghu-/*ghau-" version that's already mentioned in the article. Must clarify if these are only different versions of the same root, or substantially different. I was hoping on Dbachmann, he's more knowledgable on those things than I am. Thanks for the constructive discussion. ] ] 13:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] redacted by edit, even though it was sourced, and put up an "advertising warning." Putting things in a table is one way of communicating, but if Smeelgova can do it, is there anything "advertising oriented" about my doing it? | |||
| == Standard Modern Greek grammar == | |||
| This is that same article on Landmark Education, by the way. | |||
| Hi, I don't know if you hate . If you do, revert me; it was a bold move...--] 20:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, to tell you the truth I don't like it too much. It's common practice to have language articles under a generic language name that nevertheless deal predominantly with the modern standard form only. We are already diverging from that scheme (rather too much for some people's taste) by not just leaving it at ] pure and simple; I think having a double exact specification "Standard" ''plus'' "Modern" is a bit much. And as long as noboy is going to write the article on ], I think this is quite safe. (You know the famous Dawkins study on Pontic, do you? :-) ] ] 20:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for your opinion and I will ask a few other administrators. ] 06:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :That section is also duplicate information from other parts of the article. Not to mention that it is information better left to a Corporate Website about the issue, and makes the table take up way too much space and look simply bulky. ] 07:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC). | |||
| == Angry Bahraini == | |||
| Why remove the text about Megalexandros in Koine Greek? You can leave this one there, separately of what you're about to add. It's a beautiful text and in a way relevant to the article (about Alexander III and all). I don't see a reason to remove it. ] 00:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| He's attacking again. As you suggested, I put up a notice at WP:AIV, which another editor removed on the grounds that there was no evidence of vandalism. I have reverted the Angry Bahraini's reverts (from 89.148.41.143) so I suppose there's nothing to be done now but wait for the next attack. I'll report at WP:ANI from now on. ] 10:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :As for the article naming, that's just part of the restructuring we discussed some weeks ago. I thought you agreed on the general scheme. I just started going through with it now. | |||
| :As for the sample texts, please see ]. There had been some justified criticism that the transcription models chosen in those texts were unsourced, unprincipled and/or OR, so I thought it best to take new texts where proposed phonetic transcriptions are actually available in the literature. Horrocks, as usual my principal reference. ] ] 00:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Daniel575 == | ||
| Re , hehehehehe :) hehe :) Yes, you read that correctly! :) - <b>]</b><small> ]</small> 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Sure, I wouldn't mind at all. I'm pretty positive it was ]. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 01:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The man is my friend off-wiki, but I admit he's a dreadful revert warrior. He "left" in the midst of a gigantic war - and now he's back to rejoin it, unashamedly. But you couldn't have known that... :) - <b>]</b><small> ]</small> 15:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I gather that you're already monitering this. I just wanted to ask personally that you remain involved at least in the short term. He enjoys going on crusades, peddling his POV. There have already been two or more times when editors have come to a consensus on the ] article, only to have Daniel unilaterally revert again and again and again. I'd rather avoid that. Thanks.--] 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::And here is one of his antagonists... - <b>]</b><small> ]</small> 21:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Εχω ενα προβλημα == | |||
| == Speaking of alternate names... == | |||
| Ειχα μια διαμαχη με τον ] στο αρθρο ]. Το αρθρο τελικα προστατευτηκε. Προσφατα ομως ειδα ]. Ο τυπος ψευδεται ασυστολα και νομιζω πως οποιος δει το ] μπορει να το καταλαβει αυτο. Πως μπορω να αντιδρασω σε αυτο;;;;; Καμια συμβουλη; Eυχαριστω ] 19:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Have you noticed that someone got a '''bot''' to revert Mywayyy from now on? (was it you?) Check out the recent history of ]. :-) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 09:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : |
:Hm, I guess what he's doing is actually quite clever - if you're stuck in a dispute, try and get people from outside, particularly neutral people. This isn't a threat to you, just see it as a chance that someone will come and help you get the debate on a more rational level. You could try to do the same, for instance by doing an article RfC, mediation etc. - I myself have no great desire to get involved with this topic, the whole topic is too unsavoury for me. ] ] 20:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::Ah, well whoever's idea it was...I wish it would work for ''all'' banned users. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 09:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Pmanderson block == | ||
| Pmanderson's talk page is on my watch list, and I noticed your 3RR block. I was curious -- after his previous block, we discussed the need to be more careful and the advantages of a personal 2RR. I checked the history, and unless I am misreading it, he made only two edits in the recent 24-hour period, and only four edits in the recent 36-hour period. That would seem to make it logically impossible to violate 3RR, even in spirit. Am I misreading the rule? The edit log? Was there some other overriding factor that I am not seeing? Is it possible that the block was in error? Thanks. ] (]) 13:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Is ] a copyright violation from ? The user who uploaded it says he made it himself... If you want to ''really'' compare them, compare and .--] 15:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Looks pretty much like it. Tag it as a copyvio and give MA a warning. ] ] 15:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::How do you do that (which templates)? Shouldn't I just tell Duja (who seems to be online at the moment) for him to delete it?--] 15:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Strangely, it doesn't seem to be covered by ], because he was ''claiming'' it was his own work. But I've tagged it and listed it. ] ] 16:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hmm. I was acting on the basis of the reported reverts on ], copied below. Those are four, between 16:53 on one day and 16:39 on the next, and all of them seem to be removing the contentious ''"republican party"'' (which is the core of the dispute) together with some more stuff that I haven't checked in all details. Have I overlooked something? - As I understand the rule, it's "24 hours between the first and the fourth revert", not "24 hours before the moment of the block", or is it? ] ] 13:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hello, | |||
| * Previous version reverted to: | |||
| An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: ]. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ]. | |||
| <!-- For simple reverts. For more complex reverts, please include information | |||
| about which previous versions are being reverted to. --> | |||
| * 1st revert: | |||
| * 2nd revert: | |||
| * 3rd revert: | |||
| * 4th revert: | |||
| ::Stupidity on my part -- I just looked at the most recent 24 hours. Sorry for wasting your time replying. I have ribbed him unmercifully for the mistake. ] (]) 15:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Committee Clerk ] 19:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== HENRYGlibber == | ||
| I'm just reviewing his unblock request... now, am I missing something??? ] 15:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Dear Future Perfect at Sunrise, | |||
| :Trolling account. Look at what's been going on at ] with {{user|Dogsline}} just a few minutes ago. ] ] 15:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| It would be a great shame for me if I would transfer an image from an external source and remarked it as "self-made". | |||
| This image was transferred from an external link and modified by me, using Bannership GIF editor. For your convenience, another version will be uploaded just now. see: ] | |||
| :I hope ] will contribute to in positive manner; adding some articles, editing old ones with a valuable-neutral data instead of putting radical-national views, deleting marks, reverting the articles,etc. | |||
| Regards. | |||
| Note: You are free to remove(or not) the old picture. | |||
| ] 11:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Dear FPaS, | |||
| == Images == | |||
| A discussion is continue on the page ]. | |||
| This User is making consecutive and distruptive edits&deletes. | |||
| He deleted a user vote, and added some unrelated info about voters. | |||
| I organized this page under two headers," Keep " and delete, I moved each vote(including,talks and comments related this vote) to the related place. | |||
| My work also reverted by this user (I posted warning message before his revert).Here my message ]. | |||
| Please see ; | |||
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| <br>] | |||
| All of two images tagged with "Delete" by me. | |||
| <br>] | |||
| Sorry for inconvinience. | |||
| Regards. | |||
| I need your help. | |||
| ] 12:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regards | |||
| ]] 15:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Abakwi language == | |||
| I still say that it is worthy of speedy-deletion. This hoax hasn't even made it on a dedicated hoax site like Snopes. The only other place it is mentioned is in a short entry on a small wiki on constructed languages . I'll tag it with prod, though. -- ] 18:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Comment?== | |||
| Can you please comment ]. If I'm wrong say so, if my examples are poor, clarify, if you don't care, leave it :) - ] ] 18:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi, | |||
| I asked a question that was specifically directed at your remarks... the question is in the "Discussion" section of ]. Thanks! --] 23:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Thank you.--Yannismarou 14:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Reply
I can only begin to imagine! :p BTW, what do you think of my proposal here? —Khoikhoi 03:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Seems clear enough to me (I've moved the page). — Khoikhoi 23:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments in the Mustafa case. Regarding your other comment in the Pontic talk, shouldn't you file a WP:RFCU too? •NikoSilver• 14:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think the RFCU page says requests related to arbcom should be filed on the arbcom pages only. Anyway, it's basically the same guys who are going to read it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments in the Mustafa case. Regarding your other comment in the Pontic talk, shouldn't you file a WP:RFCU too? •NikoSilver• 14:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Ummm, check Aldux's report on 'Cretanpride'. One of you is mistaken. A copy-paste wouldn't hurt (would it?) •NikoSilver• 14:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- But Cretanpride is not an ongoing Arbcom case, is it? But anyway, I think I've made sure my report is going to be noticed... Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with these things anyway. I just asked. There is nothing 'ongoing' about his block discussion though. •NikoSilver• 14:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- But Cretanpride is not an ongoing Arbcom case, is it? But anyway, I think I've made sure my report is going to be noticed... Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi
There is something funny here :) E104421 06:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Arvanitis
Thank you very much for your compliments on my page. It was actually my first contribution to Misplaced Pages!! I was wondering, How can I get the page name to be both Yorgos and Giorgos Arvanitis (I.e. whichever first name you type, you get to the same page)? About him being an arvanites, well, I have to admit that it is an assumption. I will enquire about it and try to find a source. However, it is a rule of thumb that with such a name one is a real arvanites. The other possibility is that someone from his familly was at some point nicknamed like this (and it stayed on) because he/she came from an arvanites region or spoke only arvanitika.. but that would be less likely.. Yannis5
Anniv
Thank you very much. Has it been a year already? It feels like just yesterday, with trembling and sweaty hands, I was typing in "Dahn" for the very first time... Dahn 21:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Your RfA
Hi Future Perf., I've done as you requested.--Caliga10 20:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry if I missed this, but what was the different account you were using? Nishkid64 21:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Unblock
Please see my message; here, and here. Regards Mustafa Akalp 09:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Slavomakedonski
What are we going to do with that article now?--Tekleni 18:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- The guy actually said he'd unprotect again if we wanted to continue working on a compromise. Has he already done it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'm waiting for you to do whatever it is you have in mind. I haven't got much time left.--Apple flower 18:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
OK - now that I, Francis and Bomac have violated the 3RR, can't you just get an admin to block us so that we can cool off.--Tekleni 19:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Grrrr. No, I'll spare you until next week and let you simmer until I can block you myself. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Block, block? Who requested to be blocked? Lemme do it, lemme do it...
Duja 15:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
User page revert
Many thanks...! Budgiekiller 13:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Malakia
Magali malakia I tell you! I had tried smthng similar to that before (here) but didn't work. We're talking about obsession here! Check my report in WP:ANI too... •NikoSilver• 15:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- How do you like this? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Aha ha ha! We should definitely templatize that one! •NikoSilver• 15:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. However the LSJ 7th ed. dictionary of ancient Greek, says they're just different versions of the same word. Miskin 15:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Thebes, Egypt
Yuor recent edit of "Thebes" -> "Thebes, Egypt" resulted in this in Tutankhamun:
- ], ]
It seems a little redundant. Wouldn't it be better to make it:
- ]
Canadiana 12:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Right, feel free to change it. It's a question of whether you want to give the reader the direct link to Egypt together with that to the city - but I see, yes, it's probably unnecessary given the topic of the article. Sorry, this was a semi-mechanic replacing job with AWB, and I didn't perhaps give my full attention to each instance. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Wissahickon Creek
...was actually User:Bonaparte. Jayjg 03:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Impersonator?
Thanks. :) Blocked. Looks like we've got a username troll or two active, tonight. Luna Santin 07:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Your RfA
I am pleased to let you know that, consensus reached, you are now an Administrator. You should find the following forums useful:
Congratulations on your promotion and the best of luck with your new charge! Redux 20:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
CONGRATS!
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A good ol' Kiwi Pav! | |
I, Glen give you Future Perfect at Sunrise this delicious traditional Kiwi Pavlova for absolutely caining his RfA... welcome aboard! Glen 20:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC) |
- Jolly well done, old chap! Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions about being an admin; I would probably like to know the answers too! Best wishes and happy mopping! (aeropagitica) 21:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Υπάρχουν διαχειριστές αρχίδια, και διαχειριστές με αρχίδια. Εσύ θα γίνεις το δεύτερο! Συγχαρητήρια φίλε! I'm proud of you! •NikoSilver• 22:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, I guess I'm not going to translate that one to the others, or should I? :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Future Perfect. You made it at last, congratulations! When you start suffering from adminitis, I'll be the one to diagnose it ;-) --Tekleni 22:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
FP, congratulations on your election. I hope it is a pleasure and not a burden.... --Macrakis 22:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations.. good luck! ANAS - Talk 12:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations Future and all the best with your adminship. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Now, you can block Niko yourself! And Francis, too! (Well, me as well, but I can whell war you). Duja 13:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hah! Those pesky common mortals can't even imagine how seductive it is to see that "block" button displayed next to every single mentioning of their names in those edit histories, right? ;-) But speaking of wheel-warring, I might be suffering from adminitis already: . Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations on your new and shiny mop and bucket! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry for arriving so embarassingly late in my congrats., but I've been away from wiki in these days. And remember, don't use the mop; use the bulldozer! ;-)--Aldux 18:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
User:199.88.72.21
Is there no way to block for longer? His modus operandi so far has been making massive additions, and then waiting a few days until everyone has forgotten about him before popping up again and continuing the campaign. As you can see, there have been no other substantial edits from his account, so by blocking the IP for longer, there's little risk that it would limit productive editing from any user connected from that IP. CRCulver 22:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, as this was my first ever block in my new life as an administrator, I thought I'd be conservative about block length. Also, I only saw him doing it on 4 November and 6 November. Have there been earlier activities under other IPs? Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Macedonian language
Woo fucking hoo! I thought up a reasonable compromise, we can have a separate article for Alternative terms of reference for the Macedonian language and then mention it in the disambig note. - Francis Tyers · 23:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Aha ha ha! Ha ha! Ha. Ha-huh? •NikoSilver• 23:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Warning!
WARNING: This admin has serious balls!
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And knows how to use them! •NikoSilver• 00:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Architecture in ancient Greece
If someone wants to write an article on this subject which treats the subject more fully than I have done at Art in ancient Greece, they are welcome to do so. But there is no point in just copying the text from one article and calling it a new article, which is all this is (apart from some rubbish content which would need to be deleted anyway). Unless you want to write a new article yourself, I suggest you leave well enough alone. Adam 09:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure from your comments whether you are aware we are talking about two different articles: Greek architecture, which you criticised, and Architecture of ancient Greece. The former was designed as a diachronic summary article of all periodds of Greek architecture, and its "classical" section was indeed pretty much identical to that in Art in ancient Greece. The latter, however, is substantially more than that, and makes sense as a subarticle (detail article) for the summary section in Art in ancient Greece, for all I can see. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Art in ancient Greece is an exact copy of the architectural section of Art in ancient Greece, which is where I wrote that text to go and where it belongs, in the context of a discussion of ancient Greek art as a while. A few changes have been made to it, nearly all bad.
- Greek architecture is the same material, with some very poor material about Minoan and Mycenaean architecture stuck on the front, some mediocre material about Byzantine architecture at the end (already covered much better in Byzantine art) and one paragraph on the whole of modern Greek architecture (about which, as anyone who has seen modern Athens knows, the less said the better).
- My solution to this is to redirect both articles to Art in ancient Greece, and to allow someone to write Minoan architecture, Mycenaean architecture, Byzantine architecture and Modern Greek architecture if they want to. However, if that is not acceptable to you, I will leave you to sort this mess out for yourself. Kali nikhta. Adam 10:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Freshman
Dear Future Perfect at Sunrise Congrats. Please ask my free help when you need it. Regards. Mustafa Akalp 09:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Congrats
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- Congratulations FPAS! I wish I could write something like that lol. If you ever need help, you know where to reach me. =) Nishkid64 00:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
"Inscriptions"...
...famous ones too! Check my last contribs. The Deletion Cabalist 11:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Good catch. Welcome to the cabal, guest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Your comment in the other AfD was nice too, I concur. I should have added bowling balls, or better this!! •NikoSilver• 14:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Aha ha! Definitely that one!!! •NikoSilver• 14:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Your comment in the other AfD was nice too, I concur. I should have added bowling balls, or better this!! •NikoSilver• 14:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks...
Congratulations and thanks for the thanks. It helped bring me up at a time when I am under both acute Wikistress and real life stress. Cheers! --Ginkgo100 00:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Glad to have you on board
Glad your RfA went well; congratulations. Gwernol 00:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
My pleasure, and congratulations! Jayjg 01:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations! A pleasure to have you on the team -- Samir धर्म 01:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Me too! Me too! Congratulations! KrakatoaKatie 03:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I somehow forgot to take part in your RfA - but I definitely would have supported! All the best. riana_dzasta 06:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
More of the Buddhism business
Per your advice I opened an RfC. There's been no disruption of the main article since. However, Dembot put in his version at the redirect page Buddhism and Christianity (and changed another redirect page, Buddhist-Christian Parallels to link to his version; the third redirect page, Buddhist-Christian parallels, was left alone this time although he has cut-and-pasted the his prefered version there in the past). I reverted it. I don't know if that's the kind of disruption you had in mind in your comment on my Talk page, but it seemed a heads-up might be in order. A.J.A. 04:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Re IP
Ummm, I don't know. The flag seems to be official (see for instance here). Aesthetically it's not super, but moving is different than deleting. I also kinda prefer that one. WHOIS says Germany, but the IP doesn't match anyone we know. What do you propose? •NikoSilver• 11:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Nice! I'll join in. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 11:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Congradulations, Future Perfect at Sunrise!;-). I am sure u will do great as an admin and that u will use wisely your new buttons. Cheers! Hectorian 13:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
FP, could you check my latest edits. It's your favorite kind of editing dispute - do you want to help?--Tekleni 15:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- My favourite? Yeah, just like oranges with chocolate is my favourite dessert flavour. Brrrrrrr. Yuck. Μπλιαχ. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Re
I was adding it, just had an editing conflict and lost what I wrote. Just did it again. Thanks.--Eupator 16:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Opinion please
I've formulated a proposal and need to know what other people think about it. See User:NikoSilver/Disputed regions - Summary style (and click talk for your comments). The proposal is a result of a lengthy debate/poll in Template talk:Countries of Europe, but it extends obviously beyond Europe, so I made a subpage before I post it in WP:VPP. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 22:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Turkish saints
I didn't anticipate this would generate heat. Thanks for the head's up.--Cúchullain /c 23:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Argggghhh
We get through a morning of disruption on Turkey-related articles, only to see the same thing happening on Greece-related articles. :-( I have to go soon, you think you can hold down the fort until I get back? Thanks, Khoikhoi 23:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Heh, I sometimes forget not everyone lives in California. Alright, take care. Khoikhoi 23:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Persian
The history section looked weird with non-existent templates used as section headers etc. But before you even wrote to me, I had put back most of the anon's edits, and I'm still working on the article. Cheers :) --Mardavich 10:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Heaton Butler bayne and all the rest
It's going to take a while- I'm presently working on Willement, who is the earliest of the 19th C British SG artists.
There's not a lot of info available on some of the firms, but i DO have some pretty pictures! Take a look at Stained glass - British glass, 1811-1918 and you'll see what it's all about..
--Amandajm 12:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Hey Future Perf.. congrats on becoming an admin and thanks for supporting mine and thanks too for being the first to congratulate me! Yours was one of the most viewed RFAs by me (being adjacent has its hazards:). Take care and just holler if any assistance required at all. -- Lost 18:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
IP unblock
Thanks for the unblock, and sorry if I was impatient. It's frustrating. I've left a fairly detailed (and somewhat strong) response and if you think it was out of line please do let me know. - 152.91.9.144
Help please
Politis re-created this by mistake. Maybe he hadn't cleared his cache and saw it blue or smthng. Can you re-delete the talk? •NikoSilver• 22:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Done. It turns out the Supreme Cabal Regime of the English Misplaced Pages (SCREW), in their abundant wisdom, even devised an extra WP:CSD for this case. You live and learn. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Your view on that other thing is not urgent, although Template talk:Countries of Europe may be more of an urgent situation. We have a first there: Anon votes counted in poll! •NikoSilver• 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is becoming a rage! •NikoSilver• 22:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Your view on that other thing is not urgent, although Template talk:Countries of Europe may be more of an urgent situation. We have a first there: Anon votes counted in poll! •NikoSilver• 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I've never seen anon votes before in my entire wikilife. How are we supposed to count dynamic multivoting IPs? You already know I have participated in dozens of polls, and everytime I see anons stricken. Also, elections would suffice in WP:WHY; and your vote count clearly refers to another issue (IMO). In any case, that'll be a first! I know Saxifrage is an experienced admin (he helped me once), but I think this is wrong judgement. Also, I kinda don't like it that every single opposing vote has to be dealt with extensive flooding comments from Oz and others. There seems to be a constant pushing that refuses to acknowledge the existence of yet one other POV in that talk. And, sorry to say, but I am afraid that Saxifrage has been misguided to become part of it. •NikoSilver• 23:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, whatever, but in any case, straw polls aren't supposed to be evaluated by vote "counting" anyway, but by weight of arguments. If that guy made some intelligent argument, and there's no reason to suspect he's double participating (which he could just as easily be doing if he was an account, come to think of it), then I'd say his opinion is part of the poll just like any other. AGF goes for anons too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Whatever, sure, but it's still a first. Anyway, there seems to be an unbridgeable difference there, and the poll is going head-to-head from the beginning. No clear consensus either-way I guess... •NikoSilver• 00:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Greek islands
I'm thinking of semi-protecting these articles - do you think this would be "using admin powers in a content dispute"? I think it's pretty clear that Mywayyy is possibly involved (there are no restrictions with banned users). Khoikhoi 02:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, if it's "using admin powers in a content dispute", then this is probably also "one admin telling another they're not in a content dispute when they both are"... But anyway, it's got to be stopped somehow, and Aldux used to employ semiprotection liberally for the same purpose, so I guess, yes, go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Fut.Perf. ☼ 02:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll do just that. If admins complain then I can unprotect. Khoikhoi 02:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Move help
Thanks, could you please also fix the talk page move as well? Some glitch there. Thanks. --Irpen 11:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Right, sorry, forgot about that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Tekleni
User:Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti için Bağımsızlık!!! is without a doubt Tekleni (he made only three edits, all doing the exact same reverts Tekleni did, and all right after you blocked him). Do you have any plans to deal with him other than just the current 3RR block? └ / talk 20:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah. Sounds like a good idea. Maybe, as a good friend of his, you could ask him nicely not to use sockpuppets? :) └ / talk 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Will u please revert the article Bulgarian Human Rights in Macedonia and fully protect it? wtf is going on with all those socks? Hectorian 21:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Can you revert it yourself? I'm tired. Kaltsef is blocked, the latest guy is legitimate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- OK. hope it won't be reverted again this time. Hectorian 22:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Can you revert it yourself? I'm tired. Kaltsef is blocked, the latest guy is legitimate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Will u please revert the article Bulgarian Human Rights in Macedonia and fully protect it? wtf is going on with all those socks? Hectorian 21:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: User:Waiting4 (AIV)
Sorry, admin crossover. I actually speedied the article as A7 (without prejudice for fuller re-creation) and blocked Waiting4 for revert-warring and personal attacks, before I saw your comments on AIV. Adding the deletion tag was a legitimate content issue, repeatedly removing it and reacting with a personal-attacks rampage across multiple pages was unacceptable. Feel free to review. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't require a review, the article was a substub without asserting notability. I've just pointed this out to Seraphimblade. Regards, (aeropagitica) 11:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
DELETE
I want no more to do with your house of trolls.
btw, you are a fucking idiot. I would just like to make one point before I go 11:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Waiting4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I say the only thing Waiting4 is waiting for is an indefinite block. Edits like this, this, this and this leave me no doubt this is a garden-variety troll.
P.S. If you read this and no other admin has beaten you to it, please delete the broken redirects Frederick Houk Borsch, Frederick H. Borsch, and Fred Borsch. Kavadi carrier 13:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Altaic (again)
Hi, first of all, congratulations for your adminship. I think, at the end, we solved our dispute about the dispute. Together with Khoikhoi, we proposed a new solution to the tag problem also keeping Ante's comment "the infobox says "Language family", and if Altaic is not a family then removing the tags could eventually turn out to be misleading" in mind. The Altaic hypothesis page (which is nearly a copy-paste edit) was merged with the Altaic languages page. The solution for the info box is as follows:
Genetic Classification:Altaic (controversial)
As an example, see Turkish. What do you think? Cheers! E104421 15:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- A bit heavy, but okay with me. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, certainly. I guess the tags in themselves do not give much information to the general reader. For this reason, better than much ado about nothing. Cheers! E104421 22:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hah
I get it, the non-reversion/non-blocking/non-WP:RFCU of these two is a WP:NOFEEDING attempt to deal with it, huh? •NikoSilver• 22:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, didn't notice those two. As befits my new true face displayed on my userpage, I'm building up a reputation for dealing with things in a very non-blocking way, unoffensive way. ;-) Just kidding, I'd simply not seen those yet... Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually I was serious. We don't wanna block all IP's from that country now, do we? Anyway, I hope you saw what happened to that other anon we were disagreeing about... •NikoSilver• 23:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wait a moment, help up my memory - which one do you mean? Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Adminitis has made you loose the count huh? About the anon voter at Template:Countries of Europe... •NikoSilver• 00:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Unconfirmed sock suspicions. Of course, that could happen with a normal account too, although when an account has been active for a bit longer one can usually tell a bit more easily. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that 'sound intro' I was talking about, definitely becomes moot by the 'same-location' result. Doesn't it... •NikoSilver• 00:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Unconfirmed sock suspicions. Of course, that could happen with a normal account too, although when an account has been active for a bit longer one can usually tell a bit more easily. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Adminitis has made you loose the count huh? About the anon voter at Template:Countries of Europe... •NikoSilver• 00:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wait a moment, help up my memory - which one do you mean? Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually I was serious. We don't wanna block all IP's from that country now, do we? Anyway, I hope you saw what happened to that other anon we were disagreeing about... •NikoSilver• 23:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia
The sock of User:Waiting4 has after some discussion with me produce more reliable sources and such about the article. I said that if he went back to his original account I'd talk to you about allowing recreation of the article. See User talk:2similar. JoshuaZ 22:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for dealing with him. Actually, I was responding on his talk page just the same minute. Of course I have no problem with a properly created page on that topic, and the account can be unblocked as soon as we have some assurance he's going to behave. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi. I am puzzled about the above named article. Was there such an article which was deleted at some time? I see a bunch of AfDs for other Lutheran Schools of Theology, which refer to an Afd for this one. The abovenamed school appears to be a legitimate and accredited one, with 32000 Google hits. Its web page says "The Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia is one of eight seminaries affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), a denomination with about 11,000 congregations in the United States and some 5.2 million baptized members." As such, it should have gone through the norman AfD process so that other editors could comment on the nomination and perhaps correct flaws in the article. I see you are an administrator, so I am hereby requesting that you post a copy of the speedily deleted article to my user page so I can see what was lacking in it and perhaps provide evidence of the notability of the school. Thanks. Edison 06:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry For The Messups
Sorry for the mess up. I won't revert anymore talk pages now; I think I stopped before you told me so I'm hoping I haven't gotten reported for 3RR over this. ^^; I'll probably take a break this evening from wiki lest I goof something else up by accident. Sorry again and thanks for the heads up. :) -WarthogDemon 06:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Username blocks
Unfortunately for Registered users the account creation tab makes no difference; I wondered that same thing myself for ages... but yep, thats the way our software works ** shrug ** Hope this helps? Glen 12:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Autoblock Removal
Heya, just a quick thanks for removing the autoblock that was stopping me editing. Alexj2002 12:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
User talk:PMA#Bart Versieck
Hold on, I came first and now you just rephrase my words? I'll sue you for a copyvio!
Duja► 13:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's what I get for not reading people's talk pages properly before adding to them... Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- And I'd say, if the two of us agree and PMA isn't available to answer soon, we could go ahead and unblock, couldn't we? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
GirneMarina.jpg
Hi Sunrise, I copy-pasted my whole correspondance with the photographer in the image file. I only translated part of it actually. I can translate the whole if that's necessary. I also added my response to the photographer, stressing the general use criteria. Regards. Cretanforever 17:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, I see, so your argument is basically that he in some way acquiesced to your using it, by not responding after you told him? Hmmmm... not that I'd want to feed the Misplaced Pages copyright paranoiacs, but I'm not sure somehow... Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Shiny new buttons
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Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use. | 
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Hey
Please see User talk:NikoSilver for a list of 100 sources for his 1. Sources were taken from international organisations, journals and published books and university sites. - Francis Tyers · 17:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, congrats, you made it. What did you wager for? :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've no idea :/ :) - Francis Tyers · 10:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- I was secretly betting that in his effort he would produce more links for my position. He did. •NikoSilver• 14:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Greek translation
I see you're fairly conversant in Greek, so I'd like to ask if you could translate something for me. I managed to get the gist of it through Babel Fish, but there are a couple words that it isn't translating, and I was wondering if they were insults or something (anything that's contrary to WP:CIVIL):
- Η Χουντα της βικιπεδια
- Εχουμε μπλεξει με χουντικους αντμιν. Ερχονται και με απειλουνε να μην βαζω σηματα ομαδων (!!!) στην UserPage μου. Ρε ποσο μαλακες μπορει να γινουν μερικοι? ΕΛΕΟΣ
Thanks for any help. └ / talk 18:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- "The Misplaced Pages Junta - We've run into trouble with dictatorial/fascist(1) admins. They come and threaten me I shouldn't have symbols of (football?) clubs on my user page. How big idiots(2) can some people be? Heavens!"
- (1) "χουντικους" refers to the right-wing dictatorial regime of 1967-74, so a translation as "fascist" is a little bit strong.
- (2) see malakas.
- Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. └ / talk 18:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- For number 1 it's more like 'authoritarian' in everyday speech. For number 2 check User:NikoSilver/Malakas where I've made some tweaks since protection. I need more sources for that, please help (FP). •NikoSilver• 14:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for removing block
Future,
Thank you for promptly removing the block on my user account due to someone else at my IP address. As you probably know, I'm access the Misplaced Pages through Brigham Young University's network, so blocking that one IP stops everyone from the university from editing. Thanks again! --Jcarroll 04:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Koine Greek
Thanks for correcting my Greek mistake on Koine Greek. Someday I'll actually learn the language and maybe won't make corrections without knowing what I'm talking about. :) Lesgles (talk) 04:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Template
As you might remember, the conflict related with the template goes on. As you already commented on this in the talk/discussion page. I'm sending you the message left to my talk page as follows:
Template:Turkish History Brief has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page.
Regards E104421 11:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
suspected sock of RunedChozo
please see Wheelygood (talk · contribs) whose account was created ten minutes after you blocked RunedChozo and has been reverting on those same pages, accompanied with personal attacks. ITAQALLAH 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Uh-oh... :-( Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Lokodd Vandalism
Lokodd is changing information about population in many articles. He is climing Brazil has 20 million Germans everywhere ( I am from Brazil and WE DO NOT HAVE 20 million Germans here).
He is also changing information about Japanese people, Polish people, without sources.
I told him not to keep changing population informations without real sources, and he attacked my discussion page with offensive words.
I know it's him, because he posts here using his nickname, Lokodd, and also with his IP Adress, 200.161.82.68.
Please, do something about it...
Ak Koyunlu Edit Wars
I'm certain your interpretation of what was going on is better than mine, but the discussion history is just absurd, and when the participants are edit-warring in lieu of discussing on the talk page, it's hard to follow. I do see now there is a banner and the Turkish script name at issue. Thanks for bothering to take the time to catch at least one other of these. KP Botany 21:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Case of possible speedy deletion
I received this message from GilbertoSilvaFan:
"MTS Driver Recruiters is an advertising spam article created by User:Mtsdrivers and he's put a few links to the article here and there, for example on Truck driver. Not quite sure what to do, but I thought I'd let you know since you're an admin and everything. He originally put a link to the MTS Drivers website on the Truck driver page but I deleted it. It seems he's back and is determined to advertise his site on Misplaced Pages :-)"
You can check his full message in my talk page. I saw the article and, for me, it is in the category "Speedy deletion" (blatant advertising). I've already tagged it. I think you should check it as an administrator.
Thanks!--Yannismarou 09:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Khosrow's block
Hey Fut, I'm just letting you know that I've unblocked Khosrow and reblocked him for an extra 54 hours (72 in total). Last time he breached 3RR, he asked me to unblock him early, and I agreed to, but I told him that if he breached 3RR again, he would be blocked for 48 hours. He agreed to this. But in this instance, because he was also edit warring on other articles, I've made it longer than 48. The short blocks don't seem to have been making an impression and instead of admitting at least some fault and trying to rectify the problem, he always responds with allegations that they are "unjustified" and suggestions of admin abuse, but with no evidence. I hope you don't mind me changing your block, but I feel I need to hold him accountable to the agreement he made with me.
Do you know if the other users he claims breached 3RR did or not?
Thanks, Fut. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 14:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, no problem with me, he's yours. ;-) As for Karcha, Zaparojdik, and Jidan: Karcha has just been indef-blocked as a sockpuppet. I'm actually skeptical about the sock allegation, but he's clearly a disruptive edit-warrior, no doubt about that. Zaparojdik I actually let off the hook with a last warning last time I came across him, but there were rather special circumstances involved; he needs some watching. Jidan has been a party to several very long-standing edit-warring disputes, and seems to have been skirting 3RR occasionally, List of Arab scientists and scholars seems to be a case in point but I haven't been monitoring that one. In short, just like in Khosrow's case, I'm not aware that any of them breached 3RR literally recently, but there's a tradition of edit warring with all three, I think. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Sag mal, geht`s noch?!
In order to prevent (further) missinterpretations due to my lack of a proper English I would like to continue in German:
Lieber Future Perfect,
Du hast meine IP (194.9.5.12) für eine Woche geblockt, weil ich "offensichtlich" ein "sockpuppet" von "Ulritz" bin (=> "You are blocked for one week as an obvious sockpuppet of User:Ulritz under the Arbcom ruling, for revert-warring on Dutch people. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)")
Dazu habe ich das Folgende zu sagen:
1. ich bin NICHT Ulritz!
2. ich kenne ihn auch NICHT, ich habe nie mit ihm gesprochen oder sonstwie kommuniziert!
3. wenn ich zu Ulritz letzten Block angemerkt habe, es handelt es sich um einen Verstoß gegen das strafrechtliche Analogieverbot, so liegt dies nicht daran, dass Ulritz so ein toller Typ ist, sondern es sich um einen elementaren Grunsatz des (interantionalen) Strafrechts gehört, was mir als Jurist nunmal zufällig geläufig ist (siehe dazu zB Hans-Heinrich Jescheck "Strafrecht AT").
4. Auch einem Nichtjuristen wie Dir sollte aber der Rechtsgrundsatz "in dubio pro reo" bzw. "jemand gilt so lange als unschuldig bis ihm seine Unschuld nachgewiesen wurde" geläufig sein.
5. Obwohl ich also eigentlich nicht meine Unschuld beweisen müsste, so habe ich Rex Germanus nun schon diverse Male versichert, dass ich nicht Ulritz bin und ihn auch nicht kenne und in diesem zusammenhang sogar angegeben, dass meine IP in Frankfurt/Deutschland ist und ich deutscher Anwalt bin.
6. Soweit Du es im übrigen für sockpuppeterie" (was für ein beknacktes Wort!) halten solltest, dass ich gegen Einträge wie "Unless they're Germans, then you can just shoot them" oder "Germans were seen as uneducated, grumpy peasants who served as cheap labour to the wealthier Dutch" opponiere, welche dann auch noch mit Quellen wie www.engelfriet.net belegt werden, dann weiß ich wirklich nicht, ob Du nicht "an obvious sockpuppet" von Rex Germanus bist, der übrigens auch der Initator der berühmt berüchtigten "various terms used for Germans"-Seite ist, auf der sich jeder Deutschenhasser mal so richtig nach Lust und laune austoben kann.
Also, nimm es bitte nicht persönlich, aber ich habe den Eindruck, dass Du Dir nicht allzuviel Mühe gemacht zu haben scheinst, die Behauptungen von Rex zu verifizieren, sondern einfach mal geblockt hast (und damit übrigens die IP meiner Kanzlei, die ungefähr von 200 Leuten benutzt wird). Man hätte ja zB mal überprüfen können, ob meine IP auch wie von mir angegeben in Frankfurt liegt oder einfach mal den guten Ulritz fragen können.
Ich möchte Dich daher bitten, den Block aufzuheben oder mir zumindest dazulegen was ich nach Deiner Einschätzung verbrochen habe.
Vielen Dank für Deine Bemühungen im voraus und ein schönes WE! (82.83.107.196 17:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC))
ps: das ist übrigens die IP meiner Freundin
- Hi (answering in English, I suppose you won't mind). - You were engaged in some pretty nasty revert-warring, so some block was clearly warranted, it was just a question of whether it would be a "normal" 3RR block or an Arbcom block. Immediately after I blocked you I submitted the case to checkuser for review (Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ulritz). I was then away for most of yesterday and couldn't react immediately. By the time I came back, Dmcdevit had indeed responded that you were likely not identical with Ulritz. However, he and Fred Bauder had also made the proposal that you should be included in the same Arbcom probation as Rex and Ulritz (see WP:RFAR, towards the bottom). That's not official yet, but I took it to mean that at least they supported the block.
- By the way, as for principles of just process, Misplaced Pages policy is in fact counter to real-world justice insofar as in dubio pro reo is explicitly not upheld with sockpuppet suspicions. You may not like it, but that's the way it is (it's somewhere in WP:SOCK, don't remember where.)
- So, well, okay, I'll go out on a leg and unblock, sort of shortening this to a "normal" 3RR case. But be aware of that pending Arbcom injunction against you - you might as well start behaving as if it was already in place right now. Absolutely no further revert-warring tolerated.
- Oh, and by the way, the "correct" way of making such a request would have been with an {unblock} on your own talk page, that way you wouldn't have needed to break the block the way you did now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Vielen Dank für die Rücknahme des Blocks. Daß ich nun aber in den Rex/Ulritz-Streit miteinbezogen werde, finde ich nicht in Ordnung und möchte daher hiermit dagegen in aller Form protestieren. Im übrigen hätte es mich gefreut, wenn Du auch auf die von mir angegebenen Gründe für meine Reverts eingegangen wärst. Jedenfalls finde ich es schon äusserst bemerkenswert, dass dieser mitunter gröbste Unfug auch noch von Administratoren unterstützt wird. Im Ergebnis kann ich also zB eine auf die Quelle www.sesamstraße.de gestützte Behauptung, dass 1+1=3 ist nun also 3x (bzw. nur noch 1x) auf 1+1=2 korrigieren und werde dann geblockt?! Bizarr! Wie dem auch immer sei, ich werde mich von nun an auf die deutsche Misplaced Pages konzentrieren, denn dort scheint noch die Vernunft zu regieren. Schade nur, dass die englische Version von Millionen von Leuten genutzt wird, die nun zB glauben, dass die Niederländer jeden Deutschen am Liebsten erschiessen würden... (194.9.5.10 09:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC))
- Nur um das klarzustellen, mit der Arbcom-Entscheidung habe ich nichts zu tun. Aber wenn du doch mal weiter hier auf en. tätig sein willst, solltest du dir auf jeden Fall vorher WP:3RR und Misplaced Pages:Edit wars reinziehen. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi:)
You wrote me about my "article" Acropolis Museum. Thank you and...you're right!I want to write more about it...I am looking for more informations.:)Pearlin
Thanks
For that :) - Francis Tyers · 22:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you.--Yannismarou 12:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really worry! I just wanted to make a slightly humoristic comment. Thanks for informing me about the issue in dispute, because, when I saw these loooooooooooong lists I decided not to read them and just ask for a summary you just provided me!!! Cheers!--Yannismarou 14:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Help me
Hello. Because I want to be a good Wikipedian and to avoid mistakes in the future, I would like to ask you for some help if you agree. I don't want to make war with you, and because you're the only Misplaced Pages expert i know, I ask you some questions before I write something :-). First, as I could understand it's possible to use a DVD cover (photo) without asking any licence from the Label, is that truth? --Ditirambo 17:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I have puted some new things on the page. They are all from google and yahoo research engine. Tell me if you like it? :-) --Ditirambo 14:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I don't think that it is exaggerated now. There is no any enthusiastic word. Actually, I think that it is poor now. Trust me, I'm Macedonian and we never had such a successful opera singer before, from Macedonia. I'm studying opera singing and I follow the opera since i was a little child. It's a great success to sing at the Salzburg Festival, Zurich Opernhaus, Stuttgart Staatsoper, Bruxelles' "La Monnaie", Teatro Carlo Felice from Genova etc. and finally, the bigest success is to debut at the age of 23 in Teatro dell'Opera di Roma with a conductor as Daniel Oren. --Ditirambo 14:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I just want to tell you that in the last 20 years there are about 40 theaters in the world that you can consider "first class". 30 years ago there were only La Scala di Milano, Metropolitan Opera New York, Covent Garden London, Opera de Paris, Vienna Staatsoper but now, theaters like, Stuttgart, Berlin, Frankfurt, Dresden, Hamburg, Munich (Germany), Genova, Torino, Naples, Rome, Parma, Cagliari, Florence (Italy), Zurich, Geneve (Switzerland), Paris, Lyon, Nice, Marseille (France), Bruxelles (Belgium), Amsterdam (Holland), Salzburg (Austria), Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco (USA), Madrid, Barcelona (Spain), Tokyo (Japan)... are in the same category like the 5 mentioned before, and Nacoski sings in theaters from this category, not in Vichy, Leeds, Perugia or something similar. That's why he is so successful. And he started singing there from the begining of his carrier, not like other young singers that have to sing before in small theaters and then if they are good (and lucky) they can sing in the inportant theaters. --Ditirambo 14:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I will contact Nacoski's mother about the image. I doubt I can find him in Macedonia... :-)--Ditirambo 14:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the competition Fut. But I can't understand why I can't use only Macedonia, when most of the people (countries) in the world call us that way. Then we have to use always for example: Republic of Italy, Federal Republic of Germany, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland... and we can't use simply America for USA :-). The Greeks are really crazy and without brain, I'm sorry --Ditirambo 21:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it is fair enough from the both sides (Greek and Macedonian) to use Republic of Macedonia for my country. The fact that makes me very angry is that a lot of Greeks and Bulgarians write a lot of lies about Macedonia on wikipedia. Anyone can open an encyklopedia and read that those things are pure lies. I'm not a nationalist at all, but I know the history of the Balkan peninsula very well. Anyway, thanks for your advices, you're very kind --Ditirambo 21:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- So FP@S, reading the discussion, I'd like to ask, what do you think about phrases like "Greeks are crazy and without a brain", and the particularly blatant lots of Greek and Bulgarian lies. /FunkyFly.talk_ 22:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Aq Qoyunlu or Ak Koyunlu?
I noticed that you have portected the article Ak Koyunlu and just wanted to say that the CORRET spelling of the name is Aq Qoyunlū. The q-sound is an original Turkic sound only lost in modern Anatolian Turkish (which replaces it with a normal /k/ sound), while it is preserved in allmost all other Turkic languages.
The Aq Qyolunlu Turcomans were a Turkic tribe from Central Asia who were deported to the Caucasus by Timur.
Besides the historical facts, the spelling Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu are also used by major scholarly and academic sources, such as the Encyclopaedia Iranica, Encyclopaedia of Islam, and Cambridge History of Iran.
See "Aq Qoyunlu" in Encyclopaedia Iranica (by Prof. Dr. Quiring-Zoche)
It's sad that articles are currently protected because of issues like this one!
Tājik 22:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Tajik, the protection under the "K" title (but incidentally in the "Q" version of the text) was purely coincidental, a typical case of m:The Wrong Version. Just as the sister article was incidentally locked in the "Q" version. I can follow your argument, linguistically speaking. With respect to Misplaced Pages naming policy, I think the single most decisive argument should be what is most common in the English-speaking literature. Maybe you should ask the Turkish editors to come forward with sources if there's a significant amount of English literature using the "K" spelling. It's just that we need some assurance this won't erupt into edit-warring again once they are unlocked, so you'll have to find some way to hammer out a consensus or a compromise with them. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- I do not expect much support or good will from the Turkish editors in that article, because they have proven to be rather on an extreme "pro-Turkey" path, i.e. putting Turkish interests over everything else (they even try to establish modern Anatolian expressions in articles such as Babur or Ghaznavids who had absolutely nothing to dow ith modern Anatolian Turkish or the History of Turkey).
- I think that the spelling "Ak Koyonlu" is the most frequent spelling in English sources, yet, the most reliable and partly authoritative sources (Encyclopaedia of Islam, which is the major source for oriental studies in English, as well as the Encyclopaedia Iranica) both use the original "Qara", "Aq", and "Qoyunlu".
- I would also like to point out that the English Misplaced Pages uses the Turkish spelling "Atatürk" instead of the English spelling "Ataturk". So, it's not always about "most used spellings" but also about the "best and most correct spellings". I suggest to use the original "Aq Qoyunlu" (as supported by awarded scholars in the mentioned encyclopaedias), with "Ak Koyunlu" redirecting to that article.
- Tājik 23:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it's really not up to me to decide. Your admitting that "k" might be more common in English would lend some prima facie plausibility to the other view - and there may still be sources among the "K" users equally reputable to the three "Q" users you mentioned. Let the other editors come up with some. Really, I don't want to decide this, I just want to see that there's some real, constructive dialogue going on before I unprotect. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Personal attacks
... by an anon: Your help as an admin is needed. Thanks. Tājik 17:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, there's not really an awful lot I can do about a guy from a dynamic IP who makes a few edits and then vanishes. Is he identical with somebody else we know, or has he made similar attacks from other IPs? For the moment, I'd recommend just remove the b..t and ignore him. His IP is a dynamic one from a DSL provider in Istanbul. I see two admins are already after him anyway and warned him. Let us know if he comes back again and keeps being obnoxious. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I see. Thanks anyway. Tājik 17:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
GreekWarrior
Hey, I just noticed this today, and it reminded me of someone. Sure enough, when I did a WHOIS, the IP was located in London. I've blocked it for one month as a reincarnation of GreekWarrior. I know you were involved in his ArbCom, so you might want to list this at the "List of blocks and bans". Cheers, Khoikhoi 19:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks. I think the anon might be a user who has had conflicts with Tajik in the past: Chapultepec/Kizzuwatna. I'm guessing this because it's likely that he's the same person as 85.100.33.205 (talk · contribs), 85.99.95.67 (talk · contribs), and 85.102.187.247 (talk · contribs) (check the edit histories (and talk pages) of Timur and Hajji Bektash Wali). He's a nice guy, as you can see from Kizzuwatna and Chapultepec talk pages, but seems to be pretty mad right now. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.
- Karcha's IP is 144.122.113.91 (talk · contribs) and the other anon is 144.122.113.136 (talk · contribs), that makes sense. I'll keep an eye on him.
- Also do a RDNS lookup for the two last ones, you'll see what I mean. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure, maybe a checkuser is necessary? Khoikhoi 23:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Puppetry allegation
Dear FPaS, I took an email from User:E104421 about allegation for that user and User:Karcha. He brings evidences about IP numbers, and adress.He needs help. I sent these info to you by mail since there are a lot of personal info.Please check your mail box. Sorry for my mediation. Regards.Mustafa Akalp 19:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Does this read like an advertisement to you?
In the version below, I extended the table showing the list of organization successions by adding two columns to the right: the first column entitled "customer registrations" and the second column "cumulative customer registrations" as shown in the URL below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Landmark_Education&oldid=89157364
User:Smeelgova redacted by edit, even though it was sourced, and put up an "advertising warning." Putting things in a table is one way of communicating, but if Smeelgova can do it, is there anything "advertising oriented" about my doing it?
This is that same article on Landmark Education, by the way.
Thanks for your opinion and I will ask a few other administrators. Sm1969 06:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- That section is also duplicate information from other parts of the article. Not to mention that it is information better left to a Corporate Website about the issue, and makes the table take up way too much space and look simply bulky. Smeelgova 07:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC).
Angry Bahraini
He's attacking again. As you suggested, I put up a notice at WP:AIV, which another editor removed on the grounds that there was no evidence of vandalism. I have reverted the Angry Bahraini's reverts (from 89.148.41.143) so I suppose there's nothing to be done now but wait for the next attack. I'll report at WP:ANI from now on. Zora 10:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Daniel575
Re , hehehehehe :) hehe :) Yes, you read that correctly! :) - crz crztalk 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- The man is my friend off-wiki, but I admit he's a dreadful revert warrior. He "left" in the midst of a gigantic war - and now he's back to rejoin it, unashamedly. But you couldn't have known that... :) - crz crztalk 15:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I gather that you're already monitering this. I just wanted to ask personally that you remain involved at least in the short term. He enjoys going on crusades, peddling his POV. There have already been two or more times when editors have come to a consensus on the Haredim and Zionism article, only to have Daniel unilaterally revert again and again and again. I'd rather avoid that. Thanks.--Meshulam 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- And here is one of his antagonists... - crz crztalk 21:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I gather that you're already monitering this. I just wanted to ask personally that you remain involved at least in the short term. He enjoys going on crusades, peddling his POV. There have already been two or more times when editors have come to a consensus on the Haredim and Zionism article, only to have Daniel unilaterally revert again and again and again. I'd rather avoid that. Thanks.--Meshulam 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Εχω ενα προβλημα
Ειχα μια διαμαχη με τον User:Spylab στο αρθρο Hrisi Avgi. Το αρθρο τελικα προστατευτηκε. Προσφατα ομως ειδα αυτο. Ο τυπος ψευδεται ασυστολα και νομιζω πως οποιος δει το Talk:Hrisi Avgi μπορει να το καταλαβει αυτο. Πως μπορω να αντιδρασω σε αυτο;;;;; Καμια συμβουλη; Eυχαριστω Mitsos 19:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, I guess what he's doing is actually quite clever - if you're stuck in a dispute, try and get people from outside, particularly neutral people. This isn't a threat to you, just see it as a chance that someone will come and help you get the debate on a more rational level. You could try to do the same, for instance by doing an article RfC, mediation etc. - I myself have no great desire to get involved with this topic, the whole topic is too unsavoury for me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Pmanderson block
Pmanderson's talk page is on my watch list, and I noticed your 3RR block. I was curious -- after his previous block, we discussed the need to be more careful and the advantages of a personal 2RR. I checked the history, and unless I am misreading it, he made only two edits in the recent 24-hour period, and only four edits in the recent 36-hour period. That would seem to make it logically impossible to violate 3RR, even in spirit. Am I misreading the rule? The edit log? Was there some other overriding factor that I am not seeing? Is it possible that the block was in error? Thanks. Robert A.West (Talk) 13:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. I was acting on the basis of the reported reverts on WP:AN3, copied below. Those are four, between 16:53 on one day and 16:39 on the next, and all of them seem to be removing the contentious "republican party" (which is the core of the dispute) together with some more stuff that I haven't checked in all details. Have I overlooked something? - As I understand the rule, it's "24 hours between the first and the fourth revert", not "24 hours before the moment of the block", or is it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Previous version reverted to: 03:52, 18 November 2006
- 1st revert: 16:53, 20 November 2006
- 2nd revert: 18:13, 20 November 2006
- 3rd revert: 04:21, 21 November 2006
- 4th revert: 16:39, 21 November 2006
- Stupidity on my part -- I just looked at the most recent 24 hours. Sorry for wasting your time replying. I have ribbed him unmercifully for the mistake. Robert A.West (Talk) 15:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
HENRYGlibber
I'm just reviewing his unblock request... now, am I missing something??? Glen 15:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Trolling account. Look at what's been going on at WP:ANI with Dogsline (talk · contribs) just a few minutes ago. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Mardavich
Dear FPaS,
A discussion is continue on the page Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_16.
This User is making consecutive and distruptive edits&deletes.
He deleted a user vote, and added some unrelated info about voters.
I organized this page under two headers," Keep " and delete, I moved each vote(including,talks and comments related this vote) to the related place.
My work also reverted by this user (I posted warning message before his revert).Here my message User_talk:Mardavich#TfD.
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I need your help. Regards Mustafa Akalp 15:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Abakwi language
I still say that it is worthy of speedy-deletion. This hoax hasn't even made it on a dedicated hoax site like Snopes. The only other place it is mentioned is in a short entry on a small wiki on constructed languages . I'll tag it with prod, though. -- Alan McBeth 18:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment?
Can you please comment here. If I'm wrong say so, if my examples are poor, clarify, if you don't care, leave it :) - Francis Tyers · 18:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Renaming survey
Hi,
I asked a question that was specifically directed at your remarks... the question is in the "Discussion" section of Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Renaming survey. Thanks! --Ling.Nut 23:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)