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== Sources == |
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==Discussion now archived== |
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Previous discussion has now archived as page grew beyond guideline size, see ]. |
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*a) Would contributors please follow WIkipedia convention and always place new discussion points at the bottom of page. Use the + sign above if in doubt. |
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*b) Would new contributors please learn a little bit about Wiki formatting, signing and dating your contributions. Failure to do so makes it very hard for other to follow or to fulfil admin tasks. See, ] and especially, ]. If you are having difficulties, go find an admin to help you and have a play in the ] first. |
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*c) NPA tags belong on user's pages not discussion pages. |
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Thank you. ] 01:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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== Reverting NPOV warning == |
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Please note that an NPOV warning means that the neutrality of the article is disputed and is not a statement as to whether the article is or isn't neutral in itself. It is very clear from this discussion page that there is a dispute about the neutrality of the article and it is therefore inappropriate to remove the warning box from the article. The box should remain until all sides reach a consensus or a decision is made through arbitration. Any attempt to tamper with the box otherwise is an act of vandalism. |
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Please be advised accordingly ] 12:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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: Dear Soul, |
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: Thank you for your input. What you just said is consistent with Misplaced Pages rules. BTW, I don't have any relationship with this IP coming from Russia. |
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: Best Wishes, |
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: ] ] |
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:: ], |
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:: The persons placing said NPOV are doing so as to cause....problems and to '''Bully''' people into not reveal the tenets/beliefs/practices etc. |
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:: You are problably part of this team as well....as ] seems to know who you are. |
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:: In addition ] and others are in the process of trying to intimidate anyone that places the truth. I would have more respect for someone taking it point by point rather than simply '''BEING A GANG OF BULLIES'''. Not very Academic and not very University like! |
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:: PEACE ] 15:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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::: Dear ] ; |
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::: Please keep your cool. Here is my first tag to you. Here is a link to a wikipedia article that you may need to be aware of: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Staying_cool_when_the_editing_gets_hot To suggest: "Being a GANG of Bullies" is insulting and is not appropriate language in WIKIPEDIA. On more thing, If I say "I do not know this person" That is exactly what I meant. |
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::: ] |
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:::: OK. I am cool about analysing all this stuff. |
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:::: '''The little bit that you are failing to do is offer any contrary information to suggest that the BKWSU does not teach the dinosaurs existed 2,500 years ago, God speaks to only them via a little old Indian lady or the world is going to end via a Nuclear Holocaust any minute, and you cannot escape that because you know it is all true. So what is your beef about?''' |
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:::: Please be specific what elements you consider to be ; |
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::::* NPOV |
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::::* Weasel words |
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::::* Non-compliant. |
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:::: It is a very broad, detailed and well-referenced article. I cannot see any factual errors. There have been endless citations in support on this Discussion page. |
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::::* '''The only thing I see missing is accurate accounting for the cult's worldwide financial status and charitable giving, especially in India. This really is down to you BK followers to provide those'''. |
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:::: I am removing the tags from both this page and the topic page; a) because such tags don't belong on the discussion page and, b) you have not actually substantiated which data you are referring to. Otherwise it just looks like you are throwing enough shit until some of it sticks. |
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:::: Thanks. ] 00:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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=== No === |
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:::::], Riveros, Avyak7 etc etc, |
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* Anything published by {{tq|brahmakumaris.org}} or {{tq|Om Mandali, Pharmacy Printing Press}} or {{tq|B.K. Raja Yoga Center for the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University}} ought to be treated as flatly unreliable. |
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:::::Here is my reply. |
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* ], again, ought to be treated as flatly unreliable. She had no academic expertise whatsoever and as far as I remember, what prompted her very-apolegetic portrayal of the movement was her husband veering away with the BKs into celibacy. |
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:::::I do not want to know, how you gained access to the site. I am only interested in discussion of the points, not any thing else. I don't have personal issues with you but I have tried to be of help to no end. Now, I won't reveal the back workings here, but I think from an academic point this approach is not wise. I do think it is of no point to discuss private matters in public, but I think you get the gist. Please do not contact me via e-mail to try and suss out who I know or what my interest is. |
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:::::Since you are using multiple IPPs and I can't trust even with whom I am having discussions with...''duality moment here''. As to being insulted, please give a good explanation of what is going on here. The attempt to erase the facts, choosing to continue in arguments rather than discuss the points. I have had a better time in discussions of medicine than here. I don't want to waste my time in engaging in attacks of the person rather than the issues. So, unless you are going to take up a point to discuss (other than individuals) than I have no further communication. '''The idea of the technology team being based in FLORIDA is not lost on me.''' I am willing to state the following: |
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::::*Do you believe you will be a deity? '''No, I do not.''' |
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::::*Do you believe you are superior to others here on this planet because you are a Brahmin Soul? '''No, I don't see my self as superior to others.''' |
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::::*Do you believe God speaks/is channeled via Dadi Gulzar in Mt. Abu? '''No, I do not, I think the PBKs are onto some thing, in that GOD can be found in your own room.''' See, not hard at all to do! As, to trying to have me '''BLOCKED''' when the TEAM is in working to place NPOVs yet admitting that they are not questioning the validity...is too transparent. I will start meditating and ask that some force of Eternal Peace come upon this approach soon. '''As I have stated in the past, if after someone has the facts and chooses the PATH, I have nothing but respect for them and give them my full blessings/good thoughts/Be honored in that they are true to their quest.''' My background you see is in the freedom and access to information....that is the only GRAND motivating factor here. '''Be true to your beliefs!''' PEACE/LOVE/PEACE ] 00:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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::::: This Discussion as been archived without a remotely adequate response to my '9 point reply', in the ''Searchin Man Complaint'' section which provided substantial, unequivocal evidence that the article this discussion refers to is in the absolute control of 195.82.106.244, a sock puppeteer who has continually misled over his identity(s)and a vandaliser of the comments of others, with an extremely jaundiced opinion of the Brahma Kumaris. The need for an NPOV warning could not be more stark. ] 01:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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* Encyclopedia entries —— be it the Routledge Encyclopedia of New Religious Movements ''or'' else — ought to be sparingly used. |
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* Whaling's ''Understanding the Brahma Kumaris'' (Dunedin University Press; 2012) is a primer aimed at undergraduates. A merrily sympathetic treatment, in what is one of the two academic monographs on the subject, it is . |
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:::No need to panic your reply is not forgotten, simply click the little cabinet. See, BKsimon filed his talk page in the cabinet and no one said a word, including you. So, relax it is there and I have a copy of it and the other matter yet to be addressed. I send you good thoughts. Oh, be more specific as I have more young ones than old ones. PEACE] 01:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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* ] and Tomlinson are anthropologists by training; the latter, particularly of practiced religion. So, I have not much qualms with using ''Brahma Kumaris: Purity and the Globalization of Faith'' (Springer; 2012) but we ought not depend on it for reconstructing the curious history of Brahmakumaris (BK). |
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* ]'s thesis from Monash University. |
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=== Yes === |
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==Long-time Wikipedian on NPOV== |
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I am in no way connected to BKWSU, either pro or con, and I have no interest in changing that. I ''am'' a long-time Wikipedian, and an admin, and I want this page to move toward an acceptable encyclopedia article. The reasons for the NPOV and other tags must be delineated, no matter how blindingly obvious someone might think the reasons are. Those issues must then be addressed, either by proper citations, or by removing unsubstantiated claims from the article. The real-world identity or beliefs of ''any'' of the contributors to this article are completely irrelevant. This discussion/talk page is '''not''' the appropriate place to discuss those questions. '''Use this page to discuss the encyclopedia article only.''' –]]– 01:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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* Publications by John Walliss, esp. ''The Brahma Kumaris as a Reflexive Tradition: Responding to Late Modernity'' (Motilal Banarsidass; 2007). |
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: Thank you for the voice of reason, at last! ] 01:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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* Prem Chowdhury's masterly ''Marriage, Sexuality and the Female 'Ascetic': Understanding a Hindu Sect'' (EPW; 1996). |
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* Publications by Lawrence A. Babb. |
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* Ramsay's article in ''Handbook of Hinduism in Europe''. |
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