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			== Content removal ==
	==Title==
	I think the title should be as per ]. ]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

			One guy did not bother with a edit summary, the next figures the Times of India is linkspam and the views of the Minister of Home Affairs is undue weight to a non legal opinion, since when has that been policy? ] (]) 22:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
	== POV ==

			:You mean the non-qualified opinion of a ] politician should be included on the page? Its very interesting that no investigation has been concluded as to the culprits behind this attack. Nobody has been convicted. This is purely a political statement and not an announcement, as is quite obvious from the source. Hence it gives ''undue weight'' to Shinde's views. It is linkspam because the same user pasted the same article across a swath of pages in the lead section, when these pages are generally limited to the announcements of investigators (the actual people qualified to comment on whether training camps exist or on who planted the bombs). Misplaced Pages has policies against undue weight and spamming, and on reliable sourcing, which the user I reverted violated. Obviously this sort of nuance doesn't fit in an edit summary.]<sup>]</sup> 23:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
	Please try and restrict the POV in the investigations section. There's a lot of selective quoting happening there. ] 19:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
			::Erm, no. Pages like this also have statements from politicians and other commentators, show me the policy which says articles cannot have such. The opinion of the minister for home affairs is relevant to the article and can stay. It is not link spam nor undue weight. If you disagree feel free to seek a third opinion or call an RFC. 23:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)] (])
	Also, I am not reverting again, but will do so tomorrow: the ''arrests'' are the most important part of the investigation section! HKelkar, please stop attempting to bury them at the bottom, because very shortly I will have to stop assuming good faith here. Your edits insisting that the forensic report came before cannot justify, at the very least, putting the past history of Malegaon aead of the arrests. Unless you reply with good reasons, I will revert again tomorrow. ] 23:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
			:::This page has a "reactions" and an "investigations" section. Which of these does a comment made six years after the fact by a partisan political hack belong to? Furthermore, the part about "terrorist training camps" has no other cachet in reliable sources outside Shinde's statement, hence a clear violation of ]. The literal part of the policy that concerns this is the line "discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic." Shinde's statement in this case is not even impartial. It definitely is being used, however, as a spot to throw allegations about BJP/RSS terror camps in the mainspace (these terror camps are not verifiable in any reliable source, and as such are "allegations").]<sup>]</sup> 23:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
	::You have declared that you will violate wikipedia rules and you have little regard for them. I thank you for your honesty at least.] 00:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
			::::The statement is attributed, it is reliably sourced. There is no policy for not including it. Get a ] and I'll abide by that. ] (]) 23:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
	::Furthermore, you are slanting bias into the article by lopsiding the sequence of events.I will put an NPOV tag on this section.] 00:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
			::::I also see a great many sources discussing this so undue weight is not an issue at all. ] (]) 23:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
	:::Eh? I have not declared that I will violate the rules! I am trying hard not to. I gave you an opportunity to make your case, while leaving it in your preferred version! How is that a violation? Instead of putting an NPOV tag on it, try and work it out here. I dont want the sequence 'lopsided', I just think that the analysis of the investigation should follow the actual action taken. ] 00:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::I dont believe Hkelkar needs to listen to someone who has declared hostilities already.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 00:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
	::Thank you for that input. How precisely have I 'declared hostilities' when I clearly ask for a reply with good reasons? ] 07:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::Hornplease you have unilaterally removed a completely legitimate report published by a notable journalist.There is ample precedent for putting columnist opinions (provided they are stated as such) on wikipedia so They should be put back.] 09:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

			the article lacked reality that people held in the name of SIMI activist were innocent and baised by not naming Abhinav Bharat,a Hindu terrorist organization who was behind the attack and not mention the sarcasm of Indian society for electing a Hindu terrorist in parliament <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)</small>
	::The choice of a particular line, out of a long article, by a particular columnist, out of many hundreds, known elsewhere to be sympathetic to a certain POV is deeply disturbing, and your defense of it meretricious. Further, you have provided no reason for rolling back my other edits. I urge you again to attempt to edit this encyclopaedia in the spirit of ]. Anything edited not in that spirit will not stand. ] 22:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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	::Funny how Hornplease doesnt say the same thing about Marxist columnists on ]. Its ok Hkelkar, the facts have shown it wasn't the Bajrang Dal or any Hindu groups so keep the columnists out I guess.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 22:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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	:::Actually, it was the gujarat articles, which i have now taken off my watchlist and dont even think about because they got so pointless, that convinced me that its best to avoid statements from columnists and anyone except those directly involved. ] 05:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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	Why is a single commentator being quoted in an article which otherwise only quotes the police or neutral news stories? ] 23:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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			== Narrative ==
			The article don't have prevailing narrative that in early investigation Maharashtra ] spot ] hand behind Malegaon bomb blast<ref> 'Times Of India, October 30 2006'</ref><ref> 'Economics Time, November 28 2006'</ref>
			But, When ] took the over the case then a new chargesheet filed in 2013 charged Abhinav Bharat as "Perpetrators"<ref></ref> -- <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
			: The prime suspect has been elected to the Parliament. So you can go take a nap. -- ] (]) 23:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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One guy did not bother with a edit summary, the next figures the Times of India is linkspam and the views of the Minister of Home Affairs is undue weight to a non legal opinion, since when has that been policy? Darkness Shines (talk) 22:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

You mean the non-qualified opinion of a United Progressive Alliance politician should be included on the page? Its very interesting that no investigation has been concluded as to the culprits behind this attack. Nobody has been convicted. This is purely a political statement and not an announcement, as is quite obvious from the source. Hence it gives undue weight to Shinde's views. It is linkspam because the same user pasted the same article across a swath of pages in the lead section, when these pages are generally limited to the announcements of investigators (the actual people qualified to comment on whether training camps exist or on who planted the bombs). Misplaced Pages has policies against undue weight and spamming, and on reliable sourcing, which the user I reverted violated. Obviously this sort of nuance doesn't fit in an edit summary.Pectore 23:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Erm, no. Pages like this also have statements from politicians and other commentators, show me the policy which says articles cannot have such. The opinion of the minister for home affairs is relevant to the article and can stay. It is not link spam nor undue weight. If you disagree feel free to seek a third opinion or call an RFC. 23:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)Darkness Shines (talk)

This page has a "reactions" and an "investigations" section. Which of these does a comment made six years after the fact by a partisan political hack belong to? Furthermore, the part about "terrorist training camps" has no other cachet in reliable sources outside Shinde's statement, hence a clear violation of WP:UNDUE. The literal part of the policy that concerns this is the line "discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic." Shinde's statement in this case is not even impartial. It definitely is being used, however, as a spot to throw allegations about BJP/RSS terror camps in the mainspace (these terror camps are not verifiable in any reliable source, and as such are "allegations").Pectore 23:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The statement is attributed, it is reliably sourced. There is no policy for not including it. Get a WP:3O and I'll abide by that. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I also see a great many sources discussing this so undue weight is not an issue at all. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

the article lacked reality that people held in the name of SIMI activist were innocent and baised by not naming Abhinav Bharat,a Hindu terrorist organization who was behind the attack and not mention the sarcasm of Indian society for electing a Hindu terrorist in parliament — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.43.126.144 (talk) 08:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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The article don't have prevailing narrative that in early investigation Maharashtra ATS spot SIMI hand behind Malegaon bomb blast But, When NIA took the over the case then a new chargesheet filed in 2013 charged Abhinav Bharat as "Perpetrators" -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.43.107.232 (talk • contribs)

The prime suspect has been elected to the Parliament. So you can go take a nap. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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< Malegaon blast SIMI activist held 'Times Of India, October 30 2006'
< Police crack malegaon serial blast spot SIMI hand 'Economics Time, November 28 2006'
The state Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) initially blamed the bombings on the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), but a chargesheet filed in 2013 blame on the Abhinav Bharat

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