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Misplaced Pages works by building ]. When conflicts arise, they are resolved through discussion, debate and collaboration. While not forbidden, polls should be used with care. When polls are used, they should ordinarily be considered a '''''means''''' to help in determining consensus, but do not let them become your only determining factor. While polling forms an integral part of several processes (such as ]), polls are generally not used for ]. Remember that ]; even when polls appear to be "votes", most decisions on Misplaced Pages are made on the basis of '''''consensus''''', not on vote-counting or ]. In summary, '''polling is not a substitute for discussion'''.
On Misplaced Pages it is preferred to ''discuss things rather than voting on them''. Corollaries are, among others, that AFDs can be closed in favor of the minority depending on reasons given by either side, and that one cannot legislate Misplaced Pages by creating a motion and calling a vote on it, and that it is in most cases unhelpful to create several versions of an article and having a poll majority decide which one to use (since it is generally better to compromise). That is not to say that we never formally vote on things, because we do, but that in general discussion is preferable


] such as the election of Misplaced Pages's Arbitration Committee members (which has been determined by a secret ballot voting system since 2009) or for wider cross-project activities such as electing ]. Such processes can be completed without detailed rationales from their participants. In addition, certain bodies (such as the ] or the ]) can on occasion impose decisions ].
Sometimes it is said, in a tongue-in-cheek way, that, "voting is evil". ], and if you can help it, don't vote on anything. Polling isn't evil in itself, but when you distill an essay's worth of thought into a single phrase, an oversimplified, divisive statement inevitably results. It's a bit like trying to distill an essay's worth of thought into a single "yea" or "nay".


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===Processes===
It is important to note that Misplaced Pages has several consensus-gathering processes that at a first glance may look like majority votes, but actually are not. The structure of AFD (and other processes) does not correspond to the popular perception of a 'vote', in particular because said structure attaches strong importance to the reasons people give, and can be 'decided' in favor of the minority. Many novice users have been seen to get the wrong impression from such statements referring to our processes as voting, leading them to think that they need not think of a possible compromise, need only sign their name in the appropriate place, and sometimes that a process can and should be influenced by encouraging others to countersign.


==Why regard polls with caution?==
===Requests for Adminship===
There are at the moment several debates regarding how RFA works and whether or not it is, or should be, a majority vote. There are several reasons why polling should be regarded with caution:


# Editors might miss the best solution (or the best compromise) because it wasn't one of the options. This is especially problematic when there are complex or multiple issues involved. Establishing consensus requires expressing that opinion in terms other than a choice between discrete options, and expanding the reasoning behind it, addressing the points that others have left, until all come to a mutually agreeable solution. It is difficult to address objections that aren't stated, nor points which aren't made.
==Background==
# Polling may be divisive and cause factionalism. While a poll may occasionally make it a lot easier for people to find a mutually agreeable position, in other cases it can undermine discussion and discourse. In the worst case, polls might cause participants not to ] with the other voters, but merely instead to choose camps. By polarizing discussion and raising the stakes, polls may contribute to a breakdown in ], making discussion of controversial issues extremely acrimonious. This makes it difficult for participants to ]. In many cases, simple discussion might be better at encouraging careful consideration, dissection and eventual synthesis of each side's arguments than a poll would.
===Polling discourages consensus===
# Polls might lead editors to expect that a majority will automatically win the argument, or that the result is permanently binding. This contravenes Misplaced Pages's policy on ] (a democracy), and what it is (a ]).
Having the option of settling a dispute by taking a poll, instead of the careful consideration, dissection and eventual synthesis of each side's arguments, actually undermines the progress in dispute resolution that Wiki has allowed. ]. This is a strength, not a failing. ] is one of the most important things that make Wiki special, and while taking a poll is very often a lot easier than helping each other find a mutually agreeable position, it's almost never better.
# If Misplaced Pages were to resolve issues through voting on them, editors would be tempted to also use voting with respect to article content. This might undermine Misplaced Pages policies on ], ], and the ].


==Use of polls when discussing Misplaced Pages articles==
Polling encourages the community to remain divided by avoiding that discourse; participants don't interact with the other voters, but merely choose camps. Establishing consensus requires expressing that opinion in terms other than a choice between discrete option and expanding the reasoning behind it, addressing the points that others have left, until all come to a mutually agreeable solution. No one can address objections that aren't stated, points that aren't made.
On Misplaced Pages, we generally do not line up simply to cast ballots, without some sort of discussion alongside of voting. In some cases, editors decide to use ] during discussions of what material to include in various Misplaced Pages articles. Although such polls are occasionally used and sometimes helpful, their use is often controversial and never binding. Where used, article straw polls should be developed in a way which ''assists'' in reaching ], rather than in an attempt to silence an opposing opinion.


Editor conduct used to be subject to polling in the past, via a system called ]. This procedure was abandoned years ago because it generated more heat than light. Content issues are almost never subject to polling. Nevertheless, participants on article talk pages do sometimes start polls for gauging opinion, and focusing a long or unruly conversation on a specific question at hand. There is no absolute prohibition on polling, and there are often objections if a poll is summarily closed or deleted on sight using a claim that they are forbidden. Editors who feel that a poll is inappropriate under the circumstances may instead note that further commentary is needed, encourage the discussion to migrate back to a free-form conversation, or open a related discussion.
Yes, establishing consensus is a lot harder than taking a poll. So are most things worth doing.


===Straw poll guidelines===
===Polling encourages false dichotomy===
Straw polls regarding article content are often inconclusive and sometimes highly contentious. For straw polls to be productive, editors should keep in mind the reasons why polls should be regarded with caution (above). When polls ''are'' used, editors should remember the following:


# The goal of any article discussion is ]. In the context of articles, straw polls are most helpful only when they help editors actually reach true consensus, evaluate whether a consensus exists, or "test the waters" of editor opinion among a few discrete choices such as two choices for an article's name. It is important to remember that polls do not in themselves create consensus; rather, they are one tool useful for developing mutual consensus and evaluating whether consensus exists.
Very rarely are there only two potential positions on an issue. Simplifying a complex issue to a yes/no vote creates a ]. For example, in a vote for deletion, the option of merging the article with a similar piece is often ignored. To help counteract this, if you see a third option or compromise that has not been discussed, mention it!
# The purpose of a straw poll is to stimulate discussion and consensus. Editors should evaluate the ''explanations'' that the participants in a straw poll offer and see if those explanations help to develop their own opinions or suggest compromise. A few well-reasoned opinions may affect a discussion much more than several unexplained votes for a different course.
# Polls may be helpful in coming to a consensus and in evaluating when a consensus exists, but ] over time. Editors who disagree with a consensus opinion may continue to ] disagree in an effort to change community consensus. Editors who appear to be in the majority should make an effort to continue discussions and attempts to reach as wide an agreement as possible within ].
# If a straw poll is inconclusive or very close, or if there is significant disagreement about whether the question itself was fair, then ] results from the poll. The solution is to seek wider input or use alternative means of discussion and deliberation.
# Editors should exercise extreme care in requesting that others participate in a straw poll. See ], which outlines policy on canvassing (and forms such as "votestacking" and "campaigning").
# Once responses to a straw poll have begun, even minor changes to the phrasing or options of the poll are likely to result in disagreement over whether these changes are fair or if they unfairly "]". Because of this, every effort should be made to achieve consensus on the precise questions to be asked before starting a poll.
# Discussions about article content cannot override Misplaced Pages policies on the ] or ]. Nor can straw polls be used to determine a question of '']''; such a poll is ultimately pointless.
# Straw polls should not be used prematurely or excessively. If it is clear from ongoing discussion that consensus has not been reached, a straw poll is unlikely to assist in forming consensus and may polarize opinions, preventing or delaying any consensus from forming. If a straw poll was called on an issue recently, there is usually no reason to call a second poll, even if you think that consensus may have changed or that the first poll was conducted unfairly. If you disagree with the "majority" opinion, simply remember point #3 and continue discussions.


====Not-votes====
===Polling encourages groupthink===
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Seeing a list of participants in a poll encourages people to add their names. It's easy to just add your name, especially if one side is clearly "winning". Binary votes have a habit of making similar views appear diametrically opposed when in fact they are not. Discussion toward consensus requires participants to state their reasoning, and to read and understand the reasoning of others, to see where the situation is headed; polls give a falsely simplified picture. Not to mention that it's difficult to place yourself on the opposite side of users you respect, or on the same side as users you don't.


The words "vote" and "voting" have a variety of connotations, but they are commonly associated specifically with ballot-casting or majority voting. For that reason, the use of the words "vote" and "voting" might not be the best choice when describing Misplaced Pages processes. While technically correct, such references may contribute to the misconception that we use a system of majority or supermajority rule. Different terminology (e.g. "seeking views", "polling" and "commenting") may be preferable.
When the vote is strongly unbalanced, those on the "losing" side feel marginalized, and those on the "winning" side will sometimes feel as though the results of the poll give them license to do as they wish without taking into account the views of the minority, though nothing has been resolved.


] often use the expression "]" (read as "not-vote") as a reminder and affirmation that the writer's comments in a poll, and the comments by others, are '''not''' voting, but are just offering individual views in a ]. The "!" symbol is used in various fields as a symbol for ] and was ]. Unfortunately, some Wikipedians are unaware of this convention and use "!vote" to refer to their actual votes, which can cause confusion.
===Polling isn't fair, either===


It serves as a little reminder of the communal norm that ''it is "not the vote" that matters, but the reasoning behind the !vote that is important''. While we do often seem to "vote" on things, the conclusion is almost never reached by simply counting votes, as the strength of argument is also very important. A "vote" that doesn't seem to be based on a reasonable rationale may be completely ignored or receive little consideration, or may be escalated to wider attention if it appears to have been treated as a simple vote count. It is important therefore to also explain why you are voting the way you are.
One of the primary issues with conducting polls is deciding whose votes count. Obviously, it's not fair if one user creates a horde of sockpuppets and uses them to stack a side. How about if someone brings in friends from outside Misplaced Pages who have barely edited? What about users who have only been around for a few days? Those who are longtime users but haven't read any of the associated discussion or misunderstand some of the issues? Who is the community, and how much weight should each person's voice have? These are difficult questions to answer when conducting a poll; any method of correcting perceived errors and faults in the process will inevitably lead to someone feeling slighted or wronged. In situations where a person or group of persons is charged with calling the final outcome, a decision will be made but its responsibility will fall on their shoulders; a difficult task particularly when they choose for whichever reason not to strictly follow the numbers. Where no one has final authority, it may be that everyone comes out thinking something went awry. ("If only these votes that shouldn't have counted hadn't been and others had, things might be different!") And that's just of those who participate. What of those who do not vote because they don't believe in voting? Even where we can perfectly define our community, ]. Under the usual conditions of quick-and-easy first-past-the-post polling it is entirely possible to come out with an answer that is not the one that would most satisfy everyone.


=== Petitions ===
Discussion avoids many these issues of counting by going on the weight of arguments rather than numbers, and making it clear that the reasons rather than the strict count should be more important in determining the outcome. A vote has the outward appearance of strict objective fairness but is likely to come out with an outcome that is still tainted by vote-stacking, based on misunderstanding, or not the option that would be the most acceptable by everyone. It is not quick and not easy to determine the proper outcome of a discussion, as compared to a simple count, but it is the most open to coming up with solutions that may strike a compromise to satisfy more people, and lessens the chance that something will win simply because its proponents can gather more people to sign their names.
{{See also|Misplaced Pages:List of petitions}}
{{Shortcut|WP:PETITION}}
Petitions are even more problematic since they not only encourage the community to avoid meaningful discourse and engagement, but also limit their scope to only one initially-stated opinion or preference with little or no opportunity for discussing and reconciling competing or opposing points of view. As a rule, petitions should be avoided; when they are created, they should be closed and marked {{tl|historical}} after a reasonable period of time or once the initial interest in the petition passes. If you plan to create a petition, it may help to allow space for other solutions and approaches that may be proposed by its readers. A typical layout that can encourage a wider range of responses on a serious issue might look like this:
: '''== Title =='''
: Description of the issue and concerns, and proposed solution. Usually a good ending is to state that "views are sought", "responses by uninvolved users appreciated", etc.
: '''=== Proposal/viewpoint #1: xxxxxxxxx (one-line header describing the proposed solution) ==='''
: Proposed solution + comments, or statement explaining viewpoint, #1
: Section left empty for views/!votes on #1, possibly with a second section for discussion
: '''=== Proposal/viewpoint #2: (further proposal by original poster or added by someone else later) ==='''
: Proposed solution + comments, or statement explaining viewpoint, #2
: Empty section for views/!votes on #2, etc.
: ...


==Deletion, moving and featuring==
===Polls are misleading and encourage confusion===
Misplaced Pages has established processes to deal with certain procedures. These include ] and ]. Because these processes are somewhat institutionalized, they are sometimes wrongly assumed to be majority votes. In reality, Misplaced Pages's policy is that each of these processes is not decided based on a head count, but on the strength of the arguments presented and on the formation of consensus.
As stated above, polling isn't in itself evil. Polls can be useful for a quick gauge of opinion. The problem is that people take the results of a poll as a mandate to do something based on the numbers that turn out—which it is not. It is explicitly stated that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy—the saying that "what is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right" applies.


Because the point of these processes is to form consensus, it is much better for editors to explain their reasoning, ] with other editors, and possibly compromise than it is to sign a one-word opinion. "Votes" without reasoning may carry little to no weight in the formation of a final consensus. "]" is frowned upon because it tends to encourage voters without reasoning. The template {{tl|Not a ballot}} can be used to remind editors about this when necessary.
Yet the existence of polls often implies to editors—particularly new ones—that the result of the vote is what matters, which is why processes such as ] are so prone to abuse by ]s. The belief that the result of the poll, and not the commentary that springs from it, is going to decide the fate of the work, is what leads to polls that develop into more and more complex beasts, holding every possible option, leading to no longer two opposing camps but a dozen and pages that look like nothing but a mess to anyone who hasn't been embroiled in the debate. Voters feel misled at the end of a poll if the numerically superior option is not the one acted upon. "But it won the poll!" they claim, and not realizing that a poll is no substitute for consensus, are understandably upset, feeling that their voices have not been heard.


==Policy and guidelines==
==Straw polls==
] are created by (1) codifying existing practice; (2) through community ], or (3) in appropriate cases, as a result of a declaration from ], ], or ]. ] a democracy; while users sometimes think they should make a "motion" on some issue and "call for votes", but this is not the case. No guideline has ever been enacted through a vote alone.


Polling is rarely helpful in the development of policies or guidelines, and may be counterproductive. Straw polls and votes have been used in the adoption of a few policies in the past, including the adoption of the ], and the older parts of ]. In those few cases, the polls were put together carefully and only after discussing the matter for a month or more.
]s, a type of non-binding poll, are sometimes used to gauge where editors stand after a lengthy discussion. Such a poll can be a simple tool to help explore and negotiate a consensus, and is often seen as a simple means to recap current positions, or to test or document a likely consensus. They can also provide for a more structured discussion, especially on active talk pages where discussions may stretch into the hundreds of ]s. However, this is not "first past the post" voting. They can be useful to see if a common view exists, but cannot create one.


The aim of many guidelines is primarily to ''describe current practice'', to help editors to understand how Misplaced Pages works. This means that it is not necessary, and in many cases unwise, to call a vote or straw poll on a proposed policy or guideline. If a proposal is not controversial, doing a head count is not necessary; if a proposal ''is'' controversial, doing a headcount to see where the majority lies will not resolve the controversy, and may polarize it further. The controversy may spill onto the poll itself, causing debate on its mechanics. When editors consider a poll ill-advised, they should explain why and if appropriate should vote against the poll itself.
==Standardization votes==
The single exception to the above that has proven workable is voting on a standard. If it is decided that a certain issue should be standardized (e.g. that ] should follow the same design), then it may be useful to draw up several possible standards and use ] to see which standard is the most popular. This is ''entirely'' different from voting "for" or "against" a motion.


==Standards==
Once it has been decided by consensus to standardize an issue (e.g. ]), it is likely there will be several suggestions for standards. Unless one of them is clearly preferred, an approval poll is recommended to select the best-liked standard. This is a way of helping to gauge which of several possible (often similar) versions has the most widespread support, so that the final version reflects consensus.


==People==
In some cases on Misplaced Pages, community polls are used to determine whether to trust editors with additional responsibilities, in particular ] and ]. However, in both cases the poll results are subject to interpretation by the party who makes the decision (i.e. the bureaucrats or Jimbo). Historically, the party making the decision has considered the arguments made, the number of editors on each side of the issue, and any other relevant factors.


In these processes it is preferable if people discuss, ask questions of the candidate, and state their reasonings, rather than simply stating "yes" or "no" with no further comment. While the end result is often obvious based directly on counts of who said yea or nay, it is possible to sway people's opinions by applying solid reasoning and logic. Even so, people new to Misplaced Pages are often confused, due to the strong resemblance between such structured discussion and a majority vote process, which they are not. There is no exact "target" percentage that forms the cutoff point, although some processes, such as requests for adminship, do indicate a rough numerical percentage for establishing consensus.
==Examples==
*] - This page was used to vote on what should be included on Swedish Misplaced Pages, including books, movies, people, schools etc. It is today regarded obsolete and hated by many.


==See also== ==Feature requests==
Changes to the MediaWiki software are made by the developers and are usually discussed on Phabricator. Some people are tempted to call a vote on feature requests on the assumption that the more people support a feature, the more likely the developers are to implement it. However, this is not always the case, as the developers consider issues of feasibility and server load to be the primary concern.
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However, for requests for configuration changes for the English Misplaced Pages, such as enabling or disabling an existing feature, a straw poll may be helpful for the ] tasked with determining consensus for it. Though as with feature requests, the final decision still rests with the Wikimedia sysadmins and, ultimately, the ].
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==Arbitration==
Although arbitration is not a community process, it is listed here for the sake of completeness. The ArbCom follows a procedure of listing principles, findings of facts and remedies; individual arbiters discuss these issues and then vote for or against statements and resolutions. However, no "vote" is final until the case is closed. Arbiters can change their positions as a result of discussions with fellow arbiters. In general, findings which attract opposition are reworded to address that opposition, with the aim of reaching a consensus view among the arbitrators. Nevertheless, Arbcom decisions are subject to simple-majority vote.

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Explanatory essay about WIkipedia policies "WP:Vote" redirects here. For other issues related to voting on Misplaced Pages, see WP:Voting.
This is an explanatory essay about the Misplaced Pages:Consensus and Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not policies.
This page provides additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. This page is not one of Misplaced Pages's policies or guidelines as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community.
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Explanatory essay about the Misplaced Pages:Consensus and Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not policies
This page in a nutshell: Most decisions on Misplaced Pages are not made by popular vote, but rather through discussions to achieve consensus. Polling is only meant to facilitate discussion, and should be used with care.

Misplaced Pages works by building consensus. When conflicts arise, they are resolved through discussion, debate and collaboration. While not forbidden, polls should be used with care. When polls are used, they should ordinarily be considered a means to help in determining consensus, but do not let them become your only determining factor. While polling forms an integral part of several processes (such as Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion), polls are generally not used for article development. Remember that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy; even when polls appear to be "votes", most decisions on Misplaced Pages are made on the basis of consensus, not on vote-counting or majority rule. In summary, polling is not a substitute for discussion.

There are exceptions to this custom such as the election of Misplaced Pages's Arbitration Committee members (which has been determined by a secret ballot voting system since 2009) or for wider cross-project activities such as electing stewards. Such processes can be completed without detailed rationales from their participants. In addition, certain bodies (such as the Arbitration Committee or the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees) can on occasion impose decisions regardless of consensus.

Why regard polls with caution?

There are several reasons why polling should be regarded with caution:

  1. Editors might miss the best solution (or the best compromise) because it wasn't one of the options. This is especially problematic when there are complex or multiple issues involved. Establishing consensus requires expressing that opinion in terms other than a choice between discrete options, and expanding the reasoning behind it, addressing the points that others have left, until all come to a mutually agreeable solution. It is difficult to address objections that aren't stated, nor points which aren't made.
  2. Polling may be divisive and cause factionalism. While a poll may occasionally make it a lot easier for people to find a mutually agreeable position, in other cases it can undermine discussion and discourse. In the worst case, polls might cause participants not to civilly engage with the other voters, but merely instead to choose camps. By polarizing discussion and raising the stakes, polls may contribute to a breakdown in civility, making discussion of controversial issues extremely acrimonious. This makes it difficult for participants to assume good faith. In many cases, simple discussion might be better at encouraging careful consideration, dissection and eventual synthesis of each side's arguments than a poll would.
  3. Polls might lead editors to expect that a majority will automatically win the argument, or that the result is permanently binding. This contravenes Misplaced Pages's policy on What Misplaced Pages is not (a democracy), and what it is (a consensus).
  4. If Misplaced Pages were to resolve issues through voting on them, editors would be tempted to also use voting with respect to article content. This might undermine Misplaced Pages policies on verifiability, notability, and the neutral point of view.

Use of polls when discussing Misplaced Pages articles

On Misplaced Pages, we generally do not line up simply to cast ballots, without some sort of discussion alongside of voting. In some cases, editors decide to use straw polls during discussions of what material to include in various Misplaced Pages articles. Although such polls are occasionally used and sometimes helpful, their use is often controversial and never binding. Where used, article straw polls should be developed in a way which assists in reaching consensus, rather than in an attempt to silence an opposing opinion.

Editor conduct used to be subject to polling in the past, via a system called Quickpolls. This procedure was abandoned years ago because it generated more heat than light. Content issues are almost never subject to polling. Nevertheless, participants on article talk pages do sometimes start polls for gauging opinion, and focusing a long or unruly conversation on a specific question at hand. There is no absolute prohibition on polling, and there are often objections if a poll is summarily closed or deleted on sight using a claim that they are forbidden. Editors who feel that a poll is inappropriate under the circumstances may instead note that further commentary is needed, encourage the discussion to migrate back to a free-form conversation, or open a related discussion.

Straw poll guidelines

Straw polls regarding article content are often inconclusive and sometimes highly contentious. For straw polls to be productive, editors should keep in mind the reasons why polls should be regarded with caution (above). When polls are used, editors should remember the following:

  1. The goal of any article discussion is consensus. In the context of articles, straw polls are most helpful only when they help editors actually reach true consensus, evaluate whether a consensus exists, or "test the waters" of editor opinion among a few discrete choices such as two choices for an article's name. It is important to remember that polls do not in themselves create consensus; rather, they are one tool useful for developing mutual consensus and evaluating whether consensus exists.
  2. The purpose of a straw poll is to stimulate discussion and consensus. Editors should evaluate the explanations that the participants in a straw poll offer and see if those explanations help to develop their own opinions or suggest compromise. A few well-reasoned opinions may affect a discussion much more than several unexplained votes for a different course.
  3. Polls may be helpful in coming to a consensus and in evaluating when a consensus exists, but consensus can change over time. Editors who disagree with a consensus opinion may continue to civilly disagree in an effort to change community consensus. Editors who appear to be in the majority should make an effort to continue discussions and attempts to reach as wide an agreement as possible within Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines.
  4. If a straw poll is inconclusive or very close, or if there is significant disagreement about whether the question itself was fair, then no consensus results from the poll. The solution is to seek wider input or use alternative means of discussion and deliberation.
  5. Editors should exercise extreme care in requesting that others participate in a straw poll. See Misplaced Pages:Canvassing, which outlines policy on canvassing (and forms such as "votestacking" and "campaigning").
  6. Once responses to a straw poll have begun, even minor changes to the phrasing or options of the poll are likely to result in disagreement over whether these changes are fair or if they unfairly "move the goalposts". Because of this, every effort should be made to achieve consensus on the precise questions to be asked before starting a poll.
  7. Discussions about article content cannot override Misplaced Pages policies on the neutral point of view or verifiable sources. Nor can straw polls be used to determine a question of fact; such a poll is ultimately pointless.
  8. Straw polls should not be used prematurely or excessively. If it is clear from ongoing discussion that consensus has not been reached, a straw poll is unlikely to assist in forming consensus and may polarize opinions, preventing or delaying any consensus from forming. If a straw poll was called on an issue recently, there is usually no reason to call a second poll, even if you think that consensus may have changed or that the first poll was conducted unfairly. If you disagree with the "majority" opinion, simply remember point #3 and continue discussions.

Not-votes

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The words "vote" and "voting" have a variety of connotations, but they are commonly associated specifically with ballot-casting or majority voting. For that reason, the use of the words "vote" and "voting" might not be the best choice when describing Misplaced Pages processes. While technically correct, such references may contribute to the misconception that we use a system of majority or supermajority rule. Different terminology (e.g. "seeking views", "polling" and "commenting") may be preferable.

Wikipedians often use the expression "!vote" (read as "not-vote") as a reminder and affirmation that the writer's comments in a poll, and the comments by others, are not voting, but are just offering individual views in a consensus-building discussion. The "!" symbol is used in various fields as a symbol for logical negation and was introduced in this way on English Misplaced Pages in 2006. Unfortunately, some Wikipedians are unaware of this convention and use "!vote" to refer to their actual votes, which can cause confusion.

It serves as a little reminder of the communal norm that it is "not the vote" that matters, but the reasoning behind the !vote that is important. While we do often seem to "vote" on things, the conclusion is almost never reached by simply counting votes, as the strength of argument is also very important. A "vote" that doesn't seem to be based on a reasonable rationale may be completely ignored or receive little consideration, or may be escalated to wider attention if it appears to have been treated as a simple vote count. It is important therefore to also explain why you are voting the way you are.

Petitions

See also: Misplaced Pages:List of petitions Shortcut

Petitions are even more problematic since they not only encourage the community to avoid meaningful discourse and engagement, but also limit their scope to only one initially-stated opinion or preference with little or no opportunity for discussing and reconciling competing or opposing points of view. As a rule, petitions should be avoided; when they are created, they should be closed and marked {{historical}} after a reasonable period of time or once the initial interest in the petition passes. If you plan to create a petition, it may help to allow space for other solutions and approaches that may be proposed by its readers. A typical layout that can encourage a wider range of responses on a serious issue might look like this:

== Title ==
Description of the issue and concerns, and proposed solution. Usually a good ending is to state that "views are sought", "responses by uninvolved users appreciated", etc.
=== Proposal/viewpoint #1: xxxxxxxxx (one-line header describing the proposed solution) ===
Proposed solution + comments, or statement explaining viewpoint, #1
Section left empty for views/!votes on #1, possibly with a second section for discussion
=== Proposal/viewpoint #2: (further proposal by original poster or added by someone else later) ===
Proposed solution + comments, or statement explaining viewpoint, #2
Empty section for views/!votes on #2, etc.
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Deletion, moving and featuring

Misplaced Pages has established processes to deal with certain procedures. These include deletion discussions and featured content. Because these processes are somewhat institutionalized, they are sometimes wrongly assumed to be majority votes. In reality, Misplaced Pages's policy is that each of these processes is not decided based on a head count, but on the strength of the arguments presented and on the formation of consensus.

Because the point of these processes is to form consensus, it is much better for editors to explain their reasoning, discuss civilly with other editors, and possibly compromise than it is to sign a one-word opinion. "Votes" without reasoning may carry little to no weight in the formation of a final consensus. "Vote stacking" is frowned upon because it tends to encourage voters without reasoning. The template {{Not a ballot}} can be used to remind editors about this when necessary.

Policy and guidelines

Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines are created by (1) codifying existing practice; (2) through community consensus, or (3) in appropriate cases, as a result of a declaration from Jimmy Wales, the Board, or the Developers. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy; while users sometimes think they should make a "motion" on some issue and "call for votes", but this is not the case. No guideline has ever been enacted through a vote alone.

Polling is rarely helpful in the development of policies or guidelines, and may be counterproductive. Straw polls and votes have been used in the adoption of a few policies in the past, including the adoption of the three-revert rule, and the older parts of criteria for speedy deletion. In those few cases, the polls were put together carefully and only after discussing the matter for a month or more.

The aim of many guidelines is primarily to describe current practice, to help editors to understand how Misplaced Pages works. This means that it is not necessary, and in many cases unwise, to call a vote or straw poll on a proposed policy or guideline. If a proposal is not controversial, doing a head count is not necessary; if a proposal is controversial, doing a headcount to see where the majority lies will not resolve the controversy, and may polarize it further. The controversy may spill onto the poll itself, causing debate on its mechanics. When editors consider a poll ill-advised, they should explain why and if appropriate should vote against the poll itself.

Standards

Once it has been decided by consensus to standardize an issue (e.g. template layout), it is likely there will be several suggestions for standards. Unless one of them is clearly preferred, an approval poll is recommended to select the best-liked standard. This is a way of helping to gauge which of several possible (often similar) versions has the most widespread support, so that the final version reflects consensus.

People

In some cases on Misplaced Pages, community polls are used to determine whether to trust editors with additional responsibilities, in particular elections and requests for adminship. However, in both cases the poll results are subject to interpretation by the party who makes the decision (i.e. the bureaucrats or Jimbo). Historically, the party making the decision has considered the arguments made, the number of editors on each side of the issue, and any other relevant factors.

In these processes it is preferable if people discuss, ask questions of the candidate, and state their reasonings, rather than simply stating "yes" or "no" with no further comment. While the end result is often obvious based directly on counts of who said yea or nay, it is possible to sway people's opinions by applying solid reasoning and logic. Even so, people new to Misplaced Pages are often confused, due to the strong resemblance between such structured discussion and a majority vote process, which they are not. There is no exact "target" percentage that forms the cutoff point, although some processes, such as requests for adminship, do indicate a rough numerical percentage for establishing consensus.

Feature requests

Changes to the MediaWiki software are made by the developers and are usually discussed on Phabricator. Some people are tempted to call a vote on feature requests on the assumption that the more people support a feature, the more likely the developers are to implement it. However, this is not always the case, as the developers consider issues of feasibility and server load to be the primary concern.

However, for requests for configuration changes for the English Misplaced Pages, such as enabling or disabling an existing feature, a straw poll may be helpful for the sysadmin tasked with determining consensus for it. Though as with feature requests, the final decision still rests with the Wikimedia sysadmins and, ultimately, the CTO.

Arbitration

Although arbitration is not a community process, it is listed here for the sake of completeness. The ArbCom follows a procedure of listing principles, findings of facts and remedies; individual arbiters discuss these issues and then vote for or against statements and resolutions. However, no "vote" is final until the case is closed. Arbiters can change their positions as a result of discussions with fellow arbiters. In general, findings which attract opposition are reworded to address that opposition, with the aim of reaching a consensus view among the arbitrators. Nevertheless, Arbcom decisions are subject to simple-majority vote.

See also

This page is referenced in the Misplaced Pages Glossary, under Consensus and !vote. Categories: