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== Do not delete : Cultural impact of Michael Jackson == |
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I am advised that there is talk of deleting this topic. My bias up-front on the topic: I didn't think highly of him nor often of him, but I know that many of my friends voiced positive opinions of him. While I am dispassionate on the subject, I vote to avoid deletion. |
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The Reagan picture isn't relevant to his cultural impact, and is used on countless other articles related to MJ. This picture fits on the article ], but I don't get how it's relevant to his overall cultural impact. --] (]) 12:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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Pop Star Michael Jackson's contribution to culture is relevant as a research topic for academia. It is of interest to fans. Michael Jackson continues, after his passing, to influence artistic expression in North America, and specifically within the United States Pop Music culture, which in turn both influences and reflects the general culture to some degree. Whom among us wouldn't smile (or cringe) at the thought of the Moon-Walk or Thriller. Who can not agree that music influences culture? Michael Jackson music still plays on the air. |
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:I disagree that it's not relevant to his cultural impact. MJ is seen not just meeting with the then-president and first lady of the US, but at a White House event where he's clearly being presented as an individual in a media event. That is reflective of a cultural standing beyond, say, record sales or other indications of (mere) mass popularity. |
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Many would call him a beloved icon. As an enormously successful Black-American, he continues to inspire generations of youth. As a controversial offender of public morality (alleged) he continues to be discussed for his character faults. In short, Michael Jackson as a cultural contributor is current, ongoing, and very relevant. |
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:The image you want to see added still has a place in the article, imo, but not at the expense of the 1984 White House pic. And that's not to say that another alternative might not be better at the top of the article or that MJ with the Regans is the ideal choice; but White House '84 is – so far – the one that best indicates to readers that Jackson's commercial success had cultural influence outside of pop, and therefore that the article has some sort of identity outside of the artist being super-popular. ] (]) 12:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:I think a picture that has Jackson himself, engaging with people/culture, is more relevant than a picture of a platinum record that Jackson possibly never even saw. The article is not about ''Thriller'', or even particularly about its sales figures. It's about Jackson himself, and him meeting Reagan illustrates something about him beyond his record sales. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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Let's round table a discussion of this proposed deletion. What say you? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:15, 18 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::You both have a good point! Thank you for clearing this up. --] (]) 17:36, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Sculptures == |
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] Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: 1) http://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/michael-jacksons-style-26062009 2) http://www.mtv.com/news/1614819/michael-jacksons-style-legacy-from-military-jackets-to-one-glove/ 3) http://www.latimes.com/fashion/alltherage/la-ig-jackson-style-pictures-photogallery.html (see caption of third page in the photogallery). Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, ''unless'' it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see ] if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or ] if you are.) |
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I have added some sculptures. I think they belong here. Sorry about it looking ugly for now. --] (]) 12:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Global Impact == |
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For ], we cannot accept ] text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of ''information'', and, if allowed under ], may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and ] properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original ''or'' ] from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our ] for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Misplaced Pages takes copyright violations '''very seriously''', and persistent violators '''will''' be ] from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. <!-- Template:Cclean --> ] (]) 17:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC) |
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If anyone wants to chip in and expand on the section by highlighting his impact in other countries it would be greatly appreciated. So far someone has already tackled Africa, Brazil and i have contributed with Czech Republic, Romania and India. However there's still a lot of countries like China, Japan, France, Chile, Germany, The UK, Korea that are missing, along with the Middle East. ] (]) 00:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== social impact == |
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], you deleted my contrib about the Kopp bill. Actually I do think it is a social impact (headline) if a state law is passed based on Jackson's actions.] (]) 12:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== I want to thank all of the editors for the great work they've done on this page == |
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:Because your content is irrelevant here, it belongs to ] and ]. ] (]) 05:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC) |
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I only mentioned the Kopp bill here, so we are not talking about Michael Jackson album discograpraphy (I think none of my contribs belongs there). Of course the source can also be used for the allegations article, but it also fits here. As I said it is a social impact. This change of law did not only affect on Jackson, but it could be used in other cases in California. There are also other articles dealing with the allegations, although not in detail ( e.g. the articles about Michael jackson and Evan Chandler). I kept it short and I won't go into furher detail. Cultural and social impact of Michael Jackson does not mean we can only write about his artistic influence. ] (]) 11:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC) |
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You guys have done a fantastic job working on this page, it's much appreciated. ] (]) 05:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes we have to write only about "artistic" impact. You are adding more ] and turning it into a bigger ] that this article already is. Can you read ] for some actual idea? This article really lacks sentences like "Professors from ] shows how Madonna's "iconicity" is indeed that of a "meta-icon" in the sense that the self-reflexive imitation of celebrity poses. Calls this strategy "iconizing", in analogy to the concept of "vogueing". The essay also inquires into the blend of biography and performativity that can be said to underlie Madonna's "iconizing" in relation to the performance artists." If you can't then please don't create further problems. ] (]) 05:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC) |
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I Think "Cultural Impact of Michael Jackson" lacks much more than that. Even those who can't read do see that. “The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read” (Mark Twain). Same thing with editing. Think about it. ] (]) 11:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:"lacks much more than that"... Are you talking about ] there? ] (]) 14:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Just read what I wrote. I think it's very clear. I never said a word about Madonna or the article about her her impact. You brought it up. ] (]) 15:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Let me be be very clear about it: '''I was never refering to "Cultural Impact of Madonna"'''.] (]) 15:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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::So all you could find now is how Michael Jackson achieved something as an ''African-American''? Are you also going to say that Michael Jackson showed how singers can dance? It is all ]. I have now redirected the article to ], from where it originally ripped off, without getting consensus. |
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::What this article has anyway that isn't ], ] and ]? First para had nothing to do with cultural impact. 2nd para had nothing to do either. 3rd para was mostly unrelated too. All of this was fork of ]. From first section, (]) it is full of ], that how Michael Jackson achieved a lot for an African-American artist. What this all has to do anything with '''cultural impact'''? And the last section ''in Brazil'' has ripped off ]. |
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::Anyhow, this whole article is useless, also per consensus on ], where every editor agreed with redirecting, except one editor who said that ] should be instead redirected to this article. But ] is older and not a ], that's why it is going to remain, not this POV fancruft. I am also letting {{ping|Flyer22 Reborn|Chrishonduras}} know this, that they should remove the link to this article from ] should be removed as well. I wonder if the creator (who has serious CIR issues) is going to adhere consensus, since he only edit wars to spew his MJ obsession. ] (]) 06:06, 30 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:::There is no Consensus is there to redirect on ].You ran away from there in a halfway without further discussion. The discussion closed without reaching a Consensus.And since you have conflict of interest on this ,;You cant redirect this page yourself.You'll have to ask an uninvolved admin to review and close.] (]) 10:02, 30 January 2018 (UTC) |
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::::'''Five people agreed with redirect against one person that is you''', and you claim there was no consensus. You lost the credibility right when you pointed that it was not closed by an admin, because not having consensus was enough but you know we have it. Don't try to ]. People criticized you though for spewing MJ obsession and one person said that ] should be redirected instead. But we are not going to redirect that long standing article for this ]. I have already said this on your talk page but you are pretending that you ] and demonstrating your ]. There was local consensus, you dont need admin or closure for merges or redirects at least and there is no case when result is this clear. You have only selectively forked or violated copyrights here and blocked any attempts to improve the article. You don't understand what is "conflict of interest" (]), why do you think we should tolerate your content forking even after there is consensus to redirect? If this article went to AFD it would get deleted. That's why a redirect is a compromise here. You never even discussed on the main article of ] before creating this fancruft after cherrypicking from that article. ] (]) 15:47, 30 January 2018 (UTC) |
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If anyone wants to chip in and expand on the section by highlighting his impact in other countries it would be greatly appreciated. So far someone has already tackled Africa, Brazil and i have contributed with Czech Republic, Romania and India. However there's still a lot of countries like China, Japan, France, Chile, Germany, The UK, Korea that are missing, along with the Middle East. Never17 (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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