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| == Requested move at ] == | |||
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| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] 17:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] has an ]== | |||
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| == Request for help: articles related to Trinity / Arianism / Nicaea need attention == | |||
| == Amoris Laetitia == | |||
| Hello! Over the past two years, a vast number of articles related to the Trinity, the Arian controversy, and 4th century Church history have been overhauled and/or bloated with material of a decidedly pro-Arian/anti-Trinitarian slant, including ], ], and dozens more. The main user behind this transformation is ], an extremely prolific Arian apologist who runs the blog , one of whose stated purposes is to "oppose the Trinity doctrine." See his ] for a sense of their scope and character. | |||
| The wikipedia article on Amoris Laetitia (https://en.wikipedia.org/Amoris_laetitia) is highly biased in favor of critics of the document. Criticisms of the document are given a prominent place and in fact take up more of the article than the actual content of Amoris Laetitia. Most of the links are to publications that are critical of AL (NCRegister, EWTN's "World Over"). | |||
| While the user in question often adds serious content and cites legitimate scholarly works, it's consistently written in a polemical tone that fails to meet Misplaced Pages's ] principle, and often is improperly cited and/or mixed with ] from his blog. He's also shown himself averse to constructive criticism, as seen from his ]. | |||
| I think this should be a high priority for WikiProject Catholicism because it strikes at the very unity of our Church. I recommend WikiProject Catholicism take control of the article on Amoris Laetitia, rewrite it to focus on the actual content of the document, and leave the controversy for another article. | |||
| While I've attempted to fix some of the more egregious revisions (e.g. to ]), as a Misplaced Pages rookie and full-time theology student I lack the bandwidth to revise and factcheck all the articles in question, and for this reason I'm appealing for your help, especially those of you who have background in theology/Church history. Your assistance with reviewing, revising and factchecking these articles is greatly appreciated. Thank you! | |||
| Happy to discuss. | |||
| (And of course, feel free to get any other community involved if you think they could help. I'm about to ask ].) | |||
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- ] (]) 08:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :UPDATE: There's now an ANI open on the user in question, recommending a topic ban, in case anyone wants to weigh in: ] | |||
| '''Update''': I have made a substantial rewrite of the article on ]. I would appreciate this community's feedback. ] (]) 05:52, 30 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :] (]) 11:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :UPDATE: The user in question has been as of today for being ]. However, their numerous edits remain in need of review. See ] for a sense of what pages need work. It's a pretty hefty task. Thanks for any help! -] (]) 17:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Future of this WikiProject == | |||
| == Requested move: List of Catholic churchmen-scientists → List of Catholic cleric-scientists == | |||
| Off the project, a few editors have asked me about whether ] is still a salient force on the project, most recently yesterday. While the WikiProject's members are definitely active and contributing new articles and content at a prodigious rate, it might be time for us to consider a more organized approach. I'm not super keen on things like Discord, but that could be an option to coordinate efforts. If anyone else has thoughts, please let me know! ~ ] (]) 16:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| There is a move discussion taking place at {{section link|Talk:List of Catholic churchmen-scientists|Requested move 18 November 2017}} that may be of interest to members of the WikiProject regarding moving the article ] to the title {{no redirect|List of Catholic cleric-scientists}}. All are invited to participate. ] (]) 20:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry to say Pbritti, but I like Discord... ~{{Smallcaps|]}}<sup>] • ]</sup> 20:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject == | |||
| == New Catholic DYK on the front page! == | |||
| Misplaced Pages has many thousands of wikilinks which point to ] pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of ] have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise. | |||
| ] ~{{Smallcaps|]}}<sup>] • ]</sup> 00:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at | |||
| ==Abigail Favale== | |||
| Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— ] <sup>]</sup> 14:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
| I have created a draft for ]. The article may be of interest to members of this project. ] (]) 20:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Inboxes for Pope Saints == | |||
| :Many of these are easily modified, but some need someone with a geographical bent. See ]. ] (]) 18:21, 3 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for looking at them. This sort of example is why we need specialists to help with the process.— ] <sup>]</sup> 08:19, 4 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
| For a number of Popes who have been canonised since their deaths (as well as other canonised clergy), there seems to be a disparity between the use of the Saint infobox and the Christian Leader infobox: some place the saint infobox at the top of the article, directly after the Christian leader infobox; others place the saint infobox under the canonisation/veneration section of the article. Is there any established consensus on which is best here? Also, all of the information in the saint infobox tends to be duplicated in the sainthood section of the Christian leader infobox – is it not therefore redundant to use both infoboxes within an article? ] (]) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Proposal to add some religious events to ITNR == | |||
| :Yes, we should ''only'' have one per article, but people love adding them. ] (]) 02:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :There should only be one infobox, probably the Christian Leader one for more modern popes at very least; and then using the module attribute to add in the relevant saint sections if any other things are needed. ~{{Smallcaps|]}}<sup>]{{nbsp}}•{{nbsp}}]</sup> 13:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| There is currently a proposal to add some religious events at ]. If adopted some or all of the listed events could be added to ITNR and be automatically posted to the main page conditional on the overall quality of the relevant articles. Interested editors are encouraged to join the discussion . -] (]) 21:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 19:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Medieval Catholic churches by decade categories: populate or upmerge? == | |||
| == Sisters article needed? == | |||
| Please join ]. ] (]) 10:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Avignon Papacy == | |||
| I propose to create a Misplaced Pages page "Sister (religious)" in respect for the large number of sisters who do not consider their vocation as monastic, as implied by the title "nun", at least in the United States. Separation of the Sister article from the ] article will take considerable effort and care, and I don't want to begin it unless I have widespread support from ]. The Sister article may be brief and direct readers to the article ], but it would show respect for the important distinction between nuns and sisters in the United States today. What think you? ] (]) 15:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *Do you have the sources as per ] for such an article? If yes, I can't necessarily see any objection, although I assume that the phenomenon might not be limited to Catholicism. ] (]) 18:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *Neither "nun" nor "sister" are strictly technical terms (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11164a.htm), so creating an article discussing one but not the other may be an artificial distinction. The distinction in degree of religious observation is a ancientand a worldwide phenomenon (not just the United States - the Sisters of Charity in Calcutta, for example), so a global article for "Catholic women religious" or "Catholic sisters and nuns", breaking out some of the more of the technical content from the "Nun" article, may be appropriate. –]<sup>⋉]</sup> 11:44, 7 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :*Would there be any support for changing the name of the "nun" page to "Sisters and nuns" and explaining in the introductory section the distinction and usage, and where to find the specifically sister section below? Alternately, would the notability you mention not come from simply the widespread references to "sisters" (for religious sisters) in the 20th century? Also, could you tell me how someone made ] redirect to ]; as with most guideline pages I find this one overwhelming, and would appreciate simply a reference to some examples! ] (]) 15:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
| If I understand it correctly, the ] is about a line of popes ''before'' the ]. If so? I had to de-link at pages of anti-popes during the schism. ] (]) 21:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] Marist Brothers: Child Abuse issues == | |||
| :No, you don't understand it correctly. Have you tried reading the first lines of those articles? ] (]) 21:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The infobox says "1309–1376", with Gregory XI listed as the last pope, which indicates ''before'' the Western Schism. Therefore the intro is inconsistent, if the 1378–1417 Schism era is included. To avoid the inconsistencies, the Avignon Papacy page should be split into ''two'' pages - '''Avignon Papacy 1309–1376''' & '''Avignon Papacy 1378–1417'''. At the very least, the schism info is misplaced. ] (]) 17:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == There is a current RfC to create an independent ] article == | |||
| Hello, peace be with you all. | |||
| Please head over here ], thank you! ] (]) 08:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| If you check ] of the ] article, you'll see news about the child abuse cases in Australia. Do you guys think it should be moved to a new section? If yes, I need help in naming this new section. If no, should we remove it or just put it where it is currently? Thanks in advanced.--] (]) 05:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :The content should remain, and research ideally should be done to see if the allegations are limited to Australia, or were made in other parts of the world as well. Worldwide accusations would be the most pressing reason to create a new section, which could simply follow the ] article and be titled to the effect of "Sexual abuse cases". –]<sup>⋉]</sup> 11:51, 7 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
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Requested move at Talk:Godric#Requested move 12 September 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Godric#Requested move 12 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 17:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Catholic theology has an RfC
Catholic theology, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for value. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Jeaucques Quœure (talk) 03:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Request for help: articles related to Trinity / Arianism / Nicaea need attention
Hello! Over the past two years, a vast number of articles related to the Trinity, the Arian controversy, and 4th century Church history have been overhauled and/or bloated with material of a decidedly pro-Arian/anti-Trinitarian slant, including Homoousion, Arian controversy, and dozens more. The main user behind this transformation is AndriesvN, an extremely prolific Arian apologist who runs the blog revelationbyjesuschrist.com, one of whose stated purposes is to "oppose the Trinity doctrine." See his contributions for a sense of their scope and character.
While the user in question often adds serious content and cites legitimate scholarly works, it's consistently written in a polemical tone that fails to meet Misplaced Pages's Neutral POV principle, and often is improperly cited and/or mixed with original research from his blog. He's also shown himself averse to constructive criticism, as seen from his talk page.
While I've attempted to fix some of the more egregious revisions (e.g. to Athanasius of Alexandria), as a Misplaced Pages rookie and full-time theology student I lack the bandwidth to revise and factcheck all the articles in question, and for this reason I'm appealing for your help, especially those of you who have background in theology/Church history. Your assistance with reviewing, revising and factchecking these articles is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
(And of course, feel free to get any other community involved if you think they could help. I'm about to ask WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy.)
- HieronymusNatalis (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- UPDATE: There's now an ANI open on the user in question, recommending a topic ban, in case anyone wants to weigh in: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#AndriesvN_and_Christian_theology_articles
- HieronymusNatalis (talk) 11:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- UPDATE: The user in question has been indef blocked as of today for being WP:NOTHERE. However, their numerous edits remain in need of review. See Special:Contributions/AndriesvN for a sense of what pages need work. It's a pretty hefty task. Thanks for any help! -HieronymusNatalis (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Future of this WikiProject
Off the project, a few editors have asked me about whether WikiProject Catholicism is still a salient force on the project, most recently yesterday. While the WikiProject's members are definitely active and contributing new articles and content at a prodigious rate, it might be time for us to consider a more organized approach. I'm not super keen on things like Discord, but that could be an option to coordinate efforts. If anyone else has thoughts, please let me know! ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to say Pbritti, but I like Discord... ~Darth Stabro 20:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
New Catholic DYK on the front page!
Francis W. Kelly ~Darth Stabro 00:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Abigail Favale
I have created a draft for Abigail Favale. The article may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 20:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Inboxes for Pope Saints
For a number of Popes who have been canonised since their deaths (as well as other canonised clergy), there seems to be a disparity between the use of the Saint infobox and the Christian Leader infobox: some place the saint infobox at the top of the article, directly after the Christian leader infobox; others place the saint infobox under the canonisation/veneration section of the article. Is there any established consensus on which is best here? Also, all of the information in the saint infobox tends to be duplicated in the sainthood section of the Christian leader infobox – is it not therefore redundant to use both infoboxes within an article? Vesuvio14 (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we should only have one per article, but people love adding them. Johnbod (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- There should only be one infobox, probably the Christian Leader one for more modern popes at very least; and then using the module attribute to add in the relevant saint sections if any other things are needed. ~Darth Stabro 13:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Saints Cosmas and Damian#Requested move 9 December 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Saints Cosmas and Damian#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Medieval Catholic churches by decade categories: populate or upmerge?
Please join this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Avignon Papacy
If I understand it correctly, the Avignon Papacy is about a line of popes before the Western Schism. If so? I had to de-link at pages of anti-popes during the schism. GoodDay (talk) 21:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, you don't understand it correctly. Have you tried reading the first lines of those articles? Johnbod (talk) 21:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- The infobox says "1309–1376", with Gregory XI listed as the last pope, which indicates before the Western Schism. Therefore the intro is inconsistent, if the 1378–1417 Schism era is included. To avoid the inconsistencies, the Avignon Papacy page should be split into two pages - Avignon Papacy 1309–1376 & Avignon Papacy 1378–1417. At the very least, the schism info is misplaced. GoodDay (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
There is a current RfC to create an independent Catholicism article
Please head over here Talk:Catholic Church#RfC: Establishing an independent Catholicism article, thank you! Kenneth Kho (talk) 08:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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