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			Was going through my talk page archives, and saw your name was crossed out. You were very helpful to me the one time we interacted, and so I kind of went "aw, that sucks". I didn't really dig into the reason for the block, but hopefully some day there will be some way for you to use your expertise to help Misplaced Pages. If that's not possible, a long-belated thanks for helping me ages ago. I know you can't respond here, so this is kind of like shouting into a void... if a void had ears. Best of luck to you. <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 4px red;">]</span><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px blue;"><small>]</small></span> 10:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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			:Damn, I did the exact same thing, though it wasn't a direct link in my case. I was checking up to see how they were doing and noticed they were blocked. We had some bad blood in the past thanks to an edit war, but that was years ago back when I was 11 (I'm 17 now) and I had grown to respect them. Codename Lisa, if you're reading this at all, despite the sockpuppetry, I have to commend you for that and the many other edits and contributions you made over your career on Misplaced Pages. It's a shame how things ended, but regardless, I'd like to thank you for the good things you did and the handling of my past actions. ] (]) 15:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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			:I'll add to the grief wall. I hate seeing this name blocked when reviewing the old stuff. Lisa was one of the best ever. Best editor, literate in and devout to the project, interested in the coolest stuff especially Apple, and super civil without backing down. That always gave me hope for humanity, and an example for me to be better. :( — <span style="font-variant:small-caps">]]</span> 20:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
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	Regarding your last edit at ], whilst this is rather trivial, as well as it being standard English usage, the following guidelines/policies (i.e.: all pertaining to capitalisation or hatnotes) prescribe the use of ] (rather than ]) for the name of an article when it is being referred to as such (as is always the case in hatnotes):
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	; {{Section link\|MOS:CAPS\|Titles of works}} (cited in your edit summary removing sentence case)
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	:In its entirety:<blockquote>In general, each word in English titles of ], ], and other works takes an initial capital, except for articles ("a", "an", "the"), the word "to" as part of an infinitive, and prepositions and coordinating conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., "on", "from", "and", "with"), unless they begin or end a title or subtitle. Examples: ], ], ], ]. (For details, see ]. For non-English titles, see ].)</blockquote>

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	This convention is also implied by all the examples at ] (e.g.: ''Turkey (bird)'' at ]) and the documentation of the template in use at ], copied below:
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	P.S. FWIW, in hindsight, consdering meaning, I think having two hatnotes at ] is preferable&emdash;since, as you said, despite the old hatnote wording, there are two different semantic errors involved (despite the guideline at ]). So, thanks for that. (I chose to initially only alter the existing wording to correct grammar to respect editors on the article who knew more about the subject.)

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	:How do you do? I'm glad you dropped by.
	:After reading your message in whole it appears that you are here to tell me that when I write hatnotes, I must use sentence case. So far, so good, but the problem I see is in this line: {{tq\|"cited in your edit summary removing sentence case"}}. Actually, ; in other words, I didn't remove the sentence case; I enforced sentence case by toggling the case of a random upper case letter that was disrupting sentence case. The result is this: <blockquote>It is not to be confused with library software.</blockquote> The whole text is in sentence case.
	:I have a feeling I am missing something here though. You seem to have spent a lot of time and energy writing a message that talks about title of works, but neither "It is not to be confused with library software" nor "library software" are titles of a work. (I can't remember a precedent either. "Microsoft store" vs. "Microsoft Store" rings a bell though.) So, what am I missing?
	:Best regards,<Br/>] (]) 17:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
	::Thanks for such a prompt response and for encouraging me to think about this issue (having previously followed the convention of capitalisation in hatnotes without reference to policy).

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	::{{tq2\|neither "It is not to be confused with library software" nor "library software" are titles of a work}}To be clear, I think "library software" refers to the article itself (not the phrase nor the topic) making it the title of a work, specifically an article title.
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	::Although, I admit, that is more obviously the case with ] than ].
			]] has been ]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> ] (]) 10:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::If "library software" were the title of an external work, ] dictates the use of ] ("Library Software"). ] ("Library software") is only used in article titles and when referring to articles as articles.
	::FWIW, I think it is a failure in ] that it doesn't make this more explicit. Although I think the usual convention is supported by the definiton of ]. BTW, I obviously don't care about the caps on one article, but my interest is to get some kind of consensus between us, and more widely. We both seem to be editors who use disambiguating hatnotes a lot, and this is an area where an inconsistent style could cause ] (as it did to me when I read the article).
	::] (]) 23:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
	::You also asked for clarification on what I mean by "use sentence case".
	::I'm actually not sure we should be using the term, "]" (e.g.: at ]) to explain this to editors. It isn't a common expression outside of linguistics academia since it is solely an orthographic concept (which depends on meaning) lacking in practical application within typography, word processing or coding (except in very high level natural language processing).
	::This is becase, unlike other capitalisation cases, it isn't binary (i.e.: either in use or not on a given fragment/excerpt). Since your edit, the sentence is now indeed, as you say, in sentence case. However, the title of the article isn't.
	::Sentence case means the phrase in question starts with a capital letter as if it is a sentence (even if it isn't). For instance, bullet-point items should (per ] in ]) always be in sentence case (start with a capiyal letter) even though thet are sentence frsgments and even if they actually are within a larger sentence.
	::] (]) 00:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

	== Regarding Cite web template ==

	In , you mentioned that "Sometimes a {{TL\|Cite web}} must be used while others can be to meet the consistency requirements of ]." I'm unfamiliar with this use case, and was wondering if you could provide an example of a FA where this was necessary or further explanation of why Cite web might be used instead of other more specific templates. --] (]) 14:50, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{u\|E to the Pi times i}}
	:The problem is devilishly simple: ] are considered to be some of the best articles Misplaced Pages has to offer. ] requires:<blockquote>2. c. '''consistent citations''': where required by criterion 1c, consistently formatted inline citations using either footnotes <small>(<nowiki><ref>Smith 2007, p. 1.</ref></nowiki>)</small> or Harvard referencing <small>(Smith 2007, p. 1)</small>—see ] for suggestions on formatting references. Citation templates are not required.</blockquote>
	:Twice before, I nominated ] for FA. The first time, I failed. The second time, it was promoted. I learned the hard way the FA process looks down upon any reason, pretext or even policy causes the citation style to be inconsistent as shenanigans. You can't go there and say "but the /doc page on such and such page says 'use {{tlf\|cite news}} for this and use {{tlf\|cite web}} for that.'" They pitty the fool who takes that advice. For example, using {{tlf\|Cite press release}} in an FA article is grounds for failure because this is just a bad template that does nothing but causing a slight inconsistency.
	:Normally, I'd dig the review link for you, but I am afraid I am being called. Please feel to look for it in ].
	:Best regards,<br/>] (]) 16:46, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
	::I do not see where it was said that use of the {{tlf\|Cite press release}} restricted MSE's promotion to FA, after looking through the 2 FA candidate evaluations and the review. Even searching through the edit summaries of the MSE article yielded no results. Could you please clarify where it was said that {{tlf\|Cite press release}} was inconsistent for the standards of an FA?
	::Even if {{tlf\|Cite press release}} is inconsistent, that seems to be a possibility for future improvement to the template, not a reason to expand the scope of {{tlf\|Cite web}}. {{tlf\|Cite web}} seems like it should ideally only be used for websites when nothing else is possible. --] (]) 22:29, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::Hello again, {{u\|E to the Pi times i}} {{p\|:)}}
	:::You say you don't see my {{tlf\|Cite press release}} example in there. Well, that's because it was just an example for the modern times, not an example for that time. During that FA, it was the slight difference between {{tlf\|Cite news}} and {{tlf\|Cite web}} that made trouble. You can imagine when that certain slight different made so much trouble, just how the bigger difference in my example makes trouble. Of course, later on, it was through my nomination that {{tlf\|Cite news}} and {{tlf\|Cite web}} lost their difference. In their documentation page, I have written a small part on this.
	:::Look, before trying to revolutionize what I do, you must understand what I do. You have never done a FA before. But I have. I speak from experience.
	:::'''Let's discuss from another angle:'''
	:::You know that ]. Well, here is what contributors actually use:
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	\|+ Transclusion count for citation templates
	! Template !! Count
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	\| {{tl\|Cite web}} \|\| 2,769,486
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	\| {{tl\|Cite book}} \|\| 954,539
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite news}} \|\| 839,585
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	\| {{tl\|Cite journal}} \|\| 498,386
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	\| {{tl\|Cite encyclopedia}} \|\| 95,337
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	\| {{tl\|Cite magazine}} \|\| 45,908
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	\| {{tl\|Cite press release}} \|\| 33,297
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	\| {{tl\|Cite map}} \|\| 24,485
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite AV media}} \|\| 21,142
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite AV media notes}} \|\| 13,772
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	\| {{tl\|Cite episode}} \|\| 12,398
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	\| {{tl\|Cite report}} \|\| 10,164
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	\| {{tl\|Cite conference}} \|\| 8,458
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	\| {{tl\|Cite thesis}} \|\| 6,464
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	\| {{tl\|Cite interview}} \|\| 3,544
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	\| {{tl\|Cite arXiv}} \|\| 2,146
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	\| {{tl\|Cite podcast}} \|\| 1,095
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	\| {{tl\|Cite techreport}} \|\| 829
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	\| {{tl\|Cite speech}} \|\| 707
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite mailing list}} \|\| 547
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite newsgroup}} \|\| 545
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite sign}} \|\| 374
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite serial}} \|\| 259
	\|-
	\| {{tl\|Cite bioRxiv}} \|\| 159
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	:::You see? Our contributors are using {{tlf\|Cite web}} vastly greater than any other template. Clearly, this is not their ]; it is used 2.9× that of the second most popular entry, {{tlf\|Cite book}}.
	:::Also, ask yourself: Can you honestly believe that they are NOT using {{tlf\|Cite web}} for things that are neither news, books, journals, magazines, encyclopedias, press releases, videos, report, conferences, theses, podcasts, mailing lists, newsgroups and interviews? (What are they using it for, then? Facebook profiles? 2.7 million of them?) Or are they actually using {{tlf\|Cite web}} for all those things, without regards to its name, because it is somehow functionally more superior or better promoted?( Again, from experience, I know that the latter is true.)
	:::Nevertheless, one thing is clear: The consensus is not on using {{tlf\|Cite web}} as the last resort.
	::::I suspect people are using {{tlf\|Cite web}} in cases where there are more appropriate templates because they are not aware of the other templates, not because they think it's a superior or more appropriate template. In my opinion, we have to discuss what {{tlf\|Cite web}} should be used for, not necessarily what it is, because inconsistencies can still accumulate on a mass scale without them being correct. Therefore, I have posted ]. We can continue the discussion there. --] (]) 15:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

	== Image on the Commons ==

	I have uploaded your image on the Commons: ]. I think, the image on this Misplaced Pages ought to removed.<!--strange English?--> ] (]) 14:30, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hey

Was going through my talk page archives, and saw your name was crossed out. You were very helpful to me the one time we interacted, and so I kind of went "aw, that sucks". I didn't really dig into the reason for the block, but hopefully some day there will be some way for you to use your expertise to help Misplaced Pages. If that's not possible, a long-belated thanks for helping me ages ago. I know you can't respond here, so this is kind of like shouting into a void... if a void had ears. Best of luck to you. MrAureliusR_Talk! 10:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Damn, I did the exact same thing, though it wasn't a direct link in my case. I was checking up to see how they were doing and noticed they were blocked. We had some bad blood in the past thanks to an edit war, but that was years ago back when I was 11 (I'm 17 now) and I had grown to respect them. Codename Lisa, if you're reading this at all, despite the sockpuppetry, I have to commend you for that and the many other edits and contributions you made over your career on Misplaced Pages. It's a shame how things ended, but regardless, I'd like to thank you for the good things you did and the handling of my past actions. Desko (talk) 15:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll add to the grief wall. I hate seeing this name blocked when reviewing the old stuff. Lisa was one of the best ever. Best editor, literate in and devout to the project, interested in the coolest stuff especially Apple, and super civil without backing down. That always gave me hope for humanity, and an example for me to be better. :( — Smuckola (talk) 20:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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