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:What specific content are you proposing to add from these? Or are you just aggregating some sources for other editors to use in developing proposals? ] (]) 18:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

::I'm just listing references that could potentially be used here. I find that over time, references can be harder to find if one does not know what to look for. It's easier to list them as they appear. I'm doing the same thing with ]; see ]. ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) <sup>(])</sup> 18:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

:::In that case, do you mind if I add some to the list, starting with these (added below)? ] (]) 19:56, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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== Unreliable Sources for CinemaScore ==

The sources being referenced for this rating by Cinemascore don't meet Misplaced Pages's reliability and verifiability standards. For the same reasoning we don't include sources that link back to Misplaced Pages, these sources are even worse because they don't link to anything at all. Furthermore, from own website: ''"If you can't find your movie, it was not polled by CinemaScore."'' The tags should not be removed until reliable and verifiable sources can substantiate the claim or the claim is removed, as per Misplaced Pages policy.] (]) 07:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Upon further research, it appears the claim originated from and no sources are supplied or given to verify the information. Clearly the Cinemascore was never actually published or released.] (]) 07:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

:I was going to say to keep it until we can validate it further, but I couldn't find CinemaScore grades for D'Souza's other films either, either on the CinemaScore website or elsewhere online. A little surprised there was no refutation from CinemaScore about this one, especially with a bold "A+" grade claim. Here is the in case more information ever comes out. ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) <sup>(])</sup> 13:14, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


The ] for this film was very positive. That should not be surprising to anyone who has read the Misplaced Pages ] article which clearly explains what Cinemascore does and what their score means. Cinemascore survey opening weekend audiences, a self selected group of people most likely to enjoy the film. It is not any kind of objective evaluation of the quality of the film, it is a poll to see if the film met audience '''expectations'''. If in doubt you can read the ] article again. If editors feel it is absolutely necessary they could briefly explain what Cinemascore means again here in this article to give readers some context.
:{{ul|Scoobydunk}}, reviewing , it says, ''"Audiences loved the film, giving it a rare 'A+' CinemaScore, and 92 percent gave it a 'definite recommend' in exit polls."'' The second part makes me question taking out the content since it is a rather specific detail. It does not seem likely that CinemaScore never polled audiences, more that for whatever reason, the film is omitted from their database. Perhaps we could re-include the content but leave it out of the lead section and have the ''Film School Rejects'' commentary to pose the question? I may try to message journalists who reported on the grade to see if they can investigate the matter at all. ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) <sup>(])</sup> 00:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


The ] article also explains "The distributor of a film that opens in fewer screens can optionally contract with CinemaScore for a private survey, whose result would be disclosed only to the client." It is already known that Cinemascore does surveys that are not necessarily disclosed to the general public.
:Actually, to add on, the article states later on, ''"The audience was split nearly evenly in terms of gender but skewed older, with 69 percent over the age of 55. They were mainly Caucasian (93 percent) and 82 percent of those polled described themselves as 'very or somewhat religious.'"'' This is the kind of demographic detail that CinemaScore provides. I'm even more keen to re-include it since there is less and less doubt that the information is dubious. ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) <sup>(])</sup> 00:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately it seem as if people have not read the ] article, and instead of exercising some editorial discretion they have given ] weight to a very uninformed comment from "Film School Rejects" who said the film is "not a film to be found in CinemaScore's listings on its own site, which is strange (and possibly suspect)." If you understand CinemaScore this is not "suspect" and should not come as any surprise.


There is no need for this encyclopaedia giving undue weight to a silly uninformed comment from Film School Rejects. Editors should be able to properly explain what CinemaScore means if necessary. There are plenty of ways to dump on this partisan polemic in other ways without resorting to a "suspect" source that does not seem to understand how CinemaScore works. This encyclopaedia would be better if it chose not to quote this misinformed comment from Film School Rejects. -- ] (]) 10:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{ul|Erik}},I appreciate you taking my concerns seriously. How about we adjust the sentence to say "According to Cinemascore exit polling, audiences gave the film an A+ rating, though the score doesn't appear on the Cinemascore website." Then we can put both sources. I'm also fine with dumping the "though the score doesn't appear on the Cinemascore website." though I prefer it. My main concern is that the article doesn't infer the comparison to movies that are actually listed on Cinemascore with an A+ rating since this only seems to be based on exit polling. For whatever reason, the polling didn't make it to the official website and didn't receive an official score from Cinemascore. At least, there's no evidence that it did. Let me know what you think.] (]) 06:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
: I don't know if it was deliberate scaremongering or an unfortunate failure to understand how ] works, but I have gone ahead and removed misleading the scarequotes claim from Film School Rejects that the Cinemascore was in any way "suspect". Just because they don't understand how Cinemascore works does not mean that editors of this encyclopedia should repeat their mistake. If editors still think the Cinemascore grade needs better context and explanation but it is no surprise at all that the self selected opening weekend audience had a positive opinion of the film. We have plenty of reviews from critics to indicate what most everyone else thought of it. -- ] (]) 21:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
:: Cinemasore A+ grades are rare, that is a statement supported by reliable sources and there is references included to support it. There is no need to '''overqualify''' the fact by also adding that "The Wrap identified it as rare" which is like inserting "According to" in front of everything to foster doubt, so I have removed it too. Again CinemaScore grades are about marketing not quality, they indicate that audiences got what they were expecting, so it is ] to quibble over how rare it is to get an A+ grade. -- ] (]) 22:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

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CinemaScore "suspect"

The CinemaScore for this film was very positive. That should not be surprising to anyone who has read the Misplaced Pages CinemaScore article which clearly explains what Cinemascore does and what their score means. Cinemascore survey opening weekend audiences, a self selected group of people most likely to enjoy the film. It is not any kind of objective evaluation of the quality of the film, it is a poll to see if the film met audience expectations. If in doubt you can read the Cinemascore article again. If editors feel it is absolutely necessary they could briefly explain what Cinemascore means again here in this article to give readers some context.

The CinemaScore article also explains "The distributor of a film that opens in fewer screens can optionally contract with CinemaScore for a private survey, whose result would be disclosed only to the client." It is already known that Cinemascore does surveys that are not necessarily disclosed to the general public. Unfortunately it seem as if people have not read the CinemaScore article, and instead of exercising some editorial discretion they have given WP:UNDUE weight to a very uninformed comment from "Film School Rejects" who said the film is "not a film to be found in CinemaScore's listings on its own site, which is strange (and possibly suspect)." If you understand CinemaScore this is not "suspect" and should not come as any surprise.

There is no need for this encyclopaedia giving undue weight to a silly uninformed comment from Film School Rejects. Editors should be able to properly explain what CinemaScore means if necessary. There are plenty of ways to dump on this partisan polemic in other ways without resorting to a "suspect" source that does not seem to understand how CinemaScore works. This encyclopaedia would be better if it chose not to quote this misinformed comment from Film School Rejects. -- 109.79.178.97 (talk) 10:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if it was deliberate scaremongering or an unfortunate failure to understand how Cinemascore works, but I have gone ahead and removed misleading the scarequotes claim from Film School Rejects that the Cinemascore was in any way "suspect". Just because they don't understand how Cinemascore works does not mean that editors of this encyclopedia should repeat their mistake. If editors still think the Cinemascore grade needs better context and explanation but it is no surprise at all that the self selected opening weekend audience had a positive opinion of the film. We have plenty of reviews from critics to indicate what most everyone else thought of it. -- 109.79.164.114 (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Cinemasore A+ grades are rare, that is a statement supported by reliable sources and there is references included to support it. There is no need to overqualify the fact by also adding that "The Wrap identified it as rare" which is like inserting "According to" in front of everything to foster doubt, so I have removed it too. Again CinemaScore grades are about marketing not quality, they indicate that audiences got what they were expecting, so it is pointless to quibble over how rare it is to get an A+ grade. -- 109.76.194.173 (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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