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== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 36 hours) == == ] reported by ] (Result: No violation) ==
{{Atop|Enough.--] (]) 20:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)}}


;Page: {{pagelinks|Template:2017–18 Premier League table}} '''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Justice}} <br />
;User being reported: {{userlinks|62.7.176.198}} '''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Remsense}}


;Previous version reverted to: '''Previous version reverted to:'''


;Diffs of the user's reverts: '''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
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# {{diff|oldid=829870016|diff=829889725|label=Consecutive edits made from 12:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC) to 12:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}}
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## {{diff2|829889673|12:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829869914 by ] (])"
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## {{diff2|829889725|12:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829870016 by ] (])"
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# {{diff2|829833533|02:11, 11 Marcch 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829829333 by ] (])"

# {{diff2|829825194|01:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829824355 by ] (])"

# {{diff2|829821878|00:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829814995 by ] (])"


'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''

'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''

'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:'''


<u>'''Comments:'''</u>
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Guilty as charged. None of my justifications matter, since 3RR doesn't care that IPs can just slip into the night instead of actually engaging in discussion on talk, leaving a highly visible article in a broken state for hours because my hands are tied to fix it. Can't ask anyone else to fix it because that's canvassing. I've been given a lot of wiggle room here over the past couple months, so if this earns me a week then so be it. It's extremely frustrating trying to protect the most important articles on the site, so maybe after this I should just give up. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 20:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
# {{diff2|829871122|08:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Warning: Three-revert rule on ]. (])"


:{{reply to|Remsense}} Your accusation that I left {{tqi|a highly visible article in a broken state for hours}} is a completely baseless ] and should lengthen your block. Any administrator can read the article's diffs and confirm that at no point did I do such a thing. You're the one who deleted well-referenced material. ] (]) 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
:As a related side note, it does not seem that the IP editor really cares to follow ] in this instance. - ] (]) 00:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


Add to the above the following ] by Remsense on the article's talk page: . ] (]) 20:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


:Additionally, when I Remsense with the appropriate user warning for this personal attack, they {{tqi|get the hell off my page}}. This is a clear violation of ]. Add it to the list. ] (]) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
;<u>Comments:</u>
::I would like to back up the complaint against Remsense here, as he also recently failed to assume good faith in edits I posted and attacked me personally as an editor. He then followed me and deleted another edit I had posted on an unrelated page afterward after I questioned his conduct on his talk page (which he then deleted.) I question whether his temperament is suitable to be a moderator on Misplaced Pages.
::] (]) 04:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::There is no such thing as a moderator on Misplaced Pages, Remsense is a Normal Editor like you and not an Admin Either. ] (]) 04:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you. I stand by my comments on his temperament and conduct regardless.
::::] (]) 04:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::It is not reasonable to take someone's actions in good faith when they lie, both straightforwardly and by omission, in their representation of said actions to others. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 04:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::No one lied, I made what I felt was a minor edit. You then jumped to incorrect conclusions, insulted me after I criticized your uncivil and unprofessional conduct and then stocked my editing history to an unrelated article. Your conduct in my view continues to be as I described, and I continue to hold your temperament to be ill-suited for editing here. I ask that you show humility and engage in much needed introspection and improve yourself if you intend to continue posting here. ] (]) 04:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::It was not a "minor clean up", and you know it. I don't have to pretend I don't also know it, so don't bother. FWIW I have ] on my watchlist, but you're not entitled to your contribution history being immune from scrutiny when one instance belies the clear possibility of more. That's why it's there. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 04:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::As I said, humility and introspection would serve you well, but I see no benefit in further interaction with you. Take care. ] (]) 04:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Another way of stating this would be to say that you didn't follow the date format rules (why doesn't really matter), used misleading/uninformative edit summaries experienced editors have seen countless times before with BCE->BC and CE->AD transforms like 'Minor clean up' and 'Minor grammar cleanup', and Remsense left you an informative message to help you avoid repeating these kinds of errors. ] (]) 04:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{AN3|no}} Remsense smartly reverted his last revert, so ]. However, this has not been Wikipedians at their best. The IP's that the cited source does not mention this has not been addressed; instead this edit war broke out over something entirely procedural which is not even policy. Further discussion should, I think, focus on the issue around the sourcing of "equitable" and whether that word should be cited in the intro. ] (]) 18:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{reply to|Daniel Case}} A violation ''did'' occur. happened long ''after'' the violation was reported here at ]. You cannot exempt a user from punishment just because they self-reverted long ''after'' being reported to try to avoid said punishment. Furthermore, Remsense . ] (]) 17:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Blocks are not a punishment, but a way to end and prevent disruption. By self-reverting, they recognized they erred, meaning the risk of further disruption is low. If you wish to pursue a grievance against another user's alleged broad pattern of behavior, that's not done here, but at ]. ] (]) 18:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{+1}} ] (]) 18:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{reply to|331dot}} {{reply to|Daniel Case}} That's what punishment does: Deterrence. By letting Remsense get away with this violation, you're breaking your own rules and encouraging similar behavior in the future.
:::::::Do you have any personal connection with Remsense? ] (]) 21:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::It's funny this happened on ], given how frivolous and easily superseded this line of argumentation is. In cases as transparently explicable as this, unmediated claims of conspiracy truly are the last refuge of the scoundrel. Bless. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 21:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::{{reply to|Remsense}} Calling a user a "scoundrel" after you've already made several personal attacks? Not wise. There's already a case building up against you. ] (]) 19:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::] I've indulged your repeated baiting of me more than enough at this point, so from now on please refrain from speaking to me unless you have something about site content you need to discuss. Thank you. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 19:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{reply to|Remsense}} Calling a user a "scoundrel" is a personal attack. ] (]) 19:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{reply to|331dot}} {{reply to|Daniel Case}} To clarify, are you saying that if someone self-reverts long ''after'' being reported for a violation, they are exempt from any kind of consequence? ] (]) 21:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Given you have safely proven yourself a scholar of counting to 4, I recommend the remainder of ] to expand your horizons even further. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 22:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::This wasn't really helpful. ] (]) 22:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::{{reply to|331dot}} Remsense has already made 3 personal attacks on this matter. Will you hold them accountable for that? Or will you let them get away with it, again? ] (]) 19:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I suggest that you move on from this matter. ]. I've already told you how you can pursue a grievance if that's something you really want to do. ] (]) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tqi|WP:DROPTHESTICK}} Ah, the classic last retort of someone who has no rebuttal and knows they're in the wrong. By the way, "DROPTHESTICK" isn't policy. ] (]) 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I don't claim that it is. It's advice. ] (]) 19:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I have nothing to say beyond what I already said. If you have evidence that they have truly not recognized their errors, or have a long pattern of behavior that requires evaluation and action by the community, AN is the proper forum. ] (]) 22:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::And no, I have no connection with this user. ] (]) 22:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tqi|If you have evidence that they have truly not recognized their errors}} Remsense has already been blocked twice before for edit warring: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Remsense. ] (]) 19:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, they're exempt from 3RR as ] clearly exempts reverts of your own reverts for ''exactly'' the reason 331dot mentioned. If there are other policies they have violated that might lead to a block, no, they're not off that hook. ] (]) 04:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::{{reply to|Daniel Case}} Which point of ] do you claim absolves Remsense of this violation? Be specific. ] (]) 19:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Daniel very clearly answered this already. ] (]) 19:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{reply to|331dot}} No, he didn't. Point 1 of ] means reverting yourself doesn't ''add'' to the 3RR count, not that it ''subtracts'' from it. ] (]) 19:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::That is the most common method of remedying a 3RR or 1RR violation, and is very common practice. ] (]) 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::{{reply|ScottishFinnishRadish}} So you admit a violation ''did'' occur. And "remedying" ≠ exempting. ] (]) 19:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::]. You really need to move on, this is becoming disruptive. ] (]) 19:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do you want me to "move on" from pursuing fair enforcement of Misplaced Pages's policies? As an administrator, you should be careful with your words. ] (]) 19:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Wait until they find out that there is no policy definition of "revert". ] (]) 19:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{reply to|ScottishFinnishRadish}} What's the point of your comment? Instead of being cryptic, why don't you state it outright? 19:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Policy pages are descriptive not proscriptive, and a lot of things are outright missing, e.g. the definition of what is forbidden by 3RR. ] (]) 19:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::{{reply to|ScottishFinnishRadish}} {{tqi|Policy pages are... not proscriptive}} False. Read ]:
::::::::::::::<div style="border: 2px solid #990000; background-color: #FFCCCC; border-radius: 1em; padding: 10px;">An editor must not perform {{strong|more than three reverts}} on a {{strong|single page}}—whether involving the same or different material—within a {{strong|24-hour period}}. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. Violations of this rule often attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Fourth reverts just outside the 24-hour period will usually also be considered edit-warring, especially if repeated or combined with other edit-warring behavior. See ] for exemptions.</div>
::::::::::::::{{tqi|a lot of things are outright missing, e.g. the definition of what is forbidden by 3RR}} False. It's very clearly stated at ]. How is someone like you an administrator if you don't know this? ] (]) 19:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::What is the policy definition of a revert? ] (]) 19:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::{{reply to|ScottishFinnishRadish}} ]. Do I really need to take you on a tour of Misplaced Pages's policies and basic vocabulary? Aren't you an administrator? You should've already known this. ] (]) 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::As you said above, that's not a policy. ] (]) 20:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Abot}}


== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked from article for a week) ==
exceed ], warning given and another user attempted to discuss on talk page. ] (]) 14:26, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{AN3|b|36 hours}} ] <sup>]</sup> 14:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|1917 (2019 film)}}
== ] reported by ] (Result: Declined) ==


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Tatzelwurm}} <br /> '''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|MapReader}}
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Kiyoweap}}


'''Previous version reverted to:''' 04:40, 7 March 2018 '''Previous version reverted to:'''


'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' '''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
# {{diff2|1265946281|10:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) It's a long-standing descriptor that has been in the article since early 2020, not that long after the film was released, that has been discussed extensively at least twice. You challenge it by going to the talk page."
# 23:04, 7 March 2018
# {{diff2|1265894186|04:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) The page carries the full discussion from 2020 and 2023, which includes reference to the relevant guidelines and the necessary citations. You don’t just wade in a year later and change the article without resuming the talk."
# 11:40, 9 March 2018
# {{diff2|1265827012|21:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) There was no consensus for your removal, which referred to talk page discussions that didn’t exist, or at least weren’t contemporary"
# 05:29, 10 March 2018
# {{diff2|1265757721|14:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Per RS, restoring the consensus position prior to the autumn edit"
# 15:14, 10 March 2018
# 10:09, 11 March 2018


'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' ; fwiw, of notice of DS for PSCI
# {{diff2|1265942155|10:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Warning: Three-revert rule on ]."


'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' ] '''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''
# {{diff2|952190013|00:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC) on Talk:1917 (2019 film)}} "/* Country? */ r"


<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> <u>'''Comments:'''</u>


User is slow-motion edit-warring credulous pseudoscience and OR/editorializing into this article about a legendary creature. ] (]) 15:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC) There is no consensus for this inclusion that this editor has restored 4 times in the past day, despite multiple prior talk page discussions. ] (]) 10:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:And they are to add back PSCI-violating content. Please do block. I may need to escalate to AE but this will hopefully not be necessary. ] (]) 21:05, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


:: This editor has repeteadly endeavoured to force a change in an article that has twice been subject to lengthy prior discussion, ignoring all my requests for him to raise this on the talk page in the normal way. The diff he or she provides as an "attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page" is four and a half years old, and not from the same account name, and doesn't represent any attempt to resolve the issue since it was a contribution to a discussion that both left the article unchanged and has been superseded by a longer more recent one, in 2023, that established consensus. Pitching up four years later and trying to force a change after a discussion in which you took part - under a different account name - simply because you disagree with the outcome and without resuming the conversation or taking any account of a lengthy further discussion in which this editor apparently did not take part, is disruptive editing.
{{Comment}} I have let some of ] "simply"ing edits to stand, but I have also reverted him for editing negligently without consulting the sources I give, and his reaction is that I am edit-warring.</br>
:] (]) 10:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{AN3|b|one week}} from the article. This was a tough one to call. I thought seriously about declining it as all the discussion has been civil and it seems everyone is not only acting in good faith but ] (well, there is as of now ]). Had I decided to decline, I would have done so on the basis of the edit being reverted to being rather old ... we have no policy guidance on how old that edit has to be; sometimes people here have cited year-old edits as the basis of their complaint. But at the same time I would commend MapReader's attention to ]: "''... a lack of response to an edit does not necessarily imply community consent''", contrary to .<p>The underlying problem is, as IN notes , is that this dispute falls neatly into a gap that FILMCOUNTRY fails to address, an issue as noted best resolved at the policy level. In the meantime, though, policy shortcomings cannot be allowed to justify edit wars, and in the meantime I read LOCALCONSENSUS as, by implication, deferring to the decision made here on the talk page.<p>MapReader is acting in good faith when they point out the lack of clear guidance. All the same ... while they are correct again to note the deficiency of citing the 2020 discussion as a basis for consensus when the 2023 discussion exists, I read that 2023 discussion as, in the noted absence of clarity at the policy level, establishing a consensus for following FILMCOUNTRY and leaving the countries of production out of the lede entirely while noting them in the infobox. MapReader's good-faith skepticism about Lumiere's methodology notwithstanding, it does not give them the right to revert the current lede.<p>Since, as it turned out, I have previously partially blocked MapReader before for similar conduct, and there has been an intervening sitewide block, I am doing it again, this time for longer. ] (]) 19:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the explanation. Just to be clear, the lead was stable between 2020 and late summer this year, 2024, on the basis of the 2020 and 2023 discussions. It was the other editor - who appears to have contributed briefly to the 2020 discussion but under a different username - who intervened to make a change late this summer, without revisiting the talk page at all, and after I restored the status quo, has attempted to force this through today without discussion. While I realise I made one revert too many, his/her gaming 3RR to force through an edit that runs contrary to previous discussion, and citing a four year old comment as evidence of being willing to talk about it, was having a laugh, IMHO. ] (]) 22:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Like I said, this is best addressed at the policy level. ] (]) 18:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] reported by ] (Result: Page full-protected for three days) ==
He has deleted content as ] when they were quite plainly cited as I complained to him ].</br>
He has also laid the "false accusation" that I was "editiorializing" an opinion, when the opinion was the sourced author's, as I explained ].</br>
He shows unfamiliarity with the subject with mistakes like "Steiermark, Styria" as a place name and "plural ''Birgstuz'n''" introduced {{Diff|Tatzelwurm|prev|829756274|here}}, resulting in ] x 5.<!--, which I had to go back and correct.--></br>


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Pooja Hegde}}
The ] is about some dragon of legend. I did not really bother stressing to readers that in a 17th century book, the sightings of "cat-headed" dragons were about nonexistent creatures, as that would be stating the obvious.</br>
However, for this, Jytdog has accused me of credulity, which is a pretty spectacular insult on my intelligence.


'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Thesanas}}
I shouldn't be accused of promoting ] here.</br>
I said nothing about their existence being proven through cryptozoological methods passed off as science, which is what you really need to see to make that accusation stick.</br>--] (]) 00:28, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:I don't see a 3RR violation here, though there is a long term dispute. Consider filing this at the ]. ] (]) 20:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{AN3|d}} – Left suggestions on the editors' talk pages. ] (]) 01:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


'''Previous version reverted to:'''
== ] reported by ] (Result: Page protected) ==


'''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
;Page: {{pagelinks|Template:2017–18 Premier League table}}
# {{diff2|1266008901|17:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Restoring the last version by User:Charliehdb"
;User being reported: {{userlinks|2A00:23C1:8B02:2800:61BA:241:DA98:3CFF}}
# {{diff2|1265919879|07:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]): WP:ONUS applies to those who adds contents. I only replaced with reliable sources. Please stop WP:EDITWAR here"


'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''
;Previous version reverted to:
# {{diff2|1265915618|06:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Warning: Edit warring on ]."


'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''
;Diffs of the user's reverts:
# {{diff2|1265915247|06:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}} "/* GA article */"
# {{diff2|829906566|15:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829906481 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|829906323|15:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829906224 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|829906162|15:10, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829905683 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|829904435|14:56, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829904195 by ] (])"


<u>'''Comments:'''</u>
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:


Additional warring is and . User erased previous warning from their talk page and was warned numerous times about getting consensus on the talk page. Has been reverted by three different editors at this point but user still does not seem to get it. ] (]) 00:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


:I restored user:Charliehdb last edit . What is the mistake in restoring other users edits? I am here to expand and make this article with reliable sources. Why are you removing my edits with reliable sources and making this article with unreliable sources? ] (]) 02:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
::Pretty sure {{u|Charliehdb}} is a ]. ] (]) 06:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
# {{diff2|829901221|14:28, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Champions League qualification */ r"
:::Wouldn't surprise me but I am not sure I would get much reception at SPI at this point with as many filings I have done recently on Indian film related UPE, SOCKS, and MEAT.--] (]) 07:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
# {{diff2|829904111|14:53, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Champions League qualification */ quote from uefa"
::::They obviously do not care about ] and likely UPE based on the continued . I will let them continue to bludgeon and just roll back once they are blocked. Not worth the stress of trying to clean up the page when they don't seem to want to work within a collaborative community. --] (]) 07:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
# {{diff2|829905804|15:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Champions League qualification */ indent"
:::::{{AN3|p}} in full for three days, since while the submitted diffs do not constitute a violation as there aren't enough, we clearly can't let this go on. With the allegations of socking and meating, this really should go to AN/I ... or SPI, CNMall's reservations notwithstanding. ] (]) 18:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
# {{diff2|829905856|15:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Champions League qualification */"


== ] reported by ] (Result: Declined) ==
;<u>Comments:</u>


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|United States men's national junior ice hockey team}}
another ip address editor rapidly reverting edits to page reported earlier ] (]) 15:16, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:I second that because he keeps reverting on and on for no reasons.] (]) 15:23, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{AN3|p}} ] <sup>]</sup> 15:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Stevencocoboy}}
== ]/] reported by ] (Result: No action) ==


'''Previous version reverted to:'''
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Self-referential humor}} <br />
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|5.151.0.114}} & {{userlinks|For 2A01:388:289:150:0:0:1:28C}}


'''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
'''Previous version reverted to:'''
# {{diff2|1266124850|05:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "/* IIHF World Junior Championship */ Hide it first because ]"
# {{diff2|1266122972|05:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Please stop the edit war, I want to edit and update result only"
# {{diff2|1266121493|05:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Why? we can update the result which the events are finish"
# {{diff2|1266118183|05:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "/* IIHF World Junior Championship */"

'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''


'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''
# {{diff2|1266124147|05:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC) on User talk:Stevencocoboy}} "/* Respecting consensus of your fellow editors */ new section"

<u>'''Comments:'''</u>

Look at his person's talk page. They have been warned over and over and over. Just at they must be 10x reverts. I didn't report that because he promised me he would be better, but it hasn't stopped him. ] (]) 07:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Sorry it's because I don't know a consensus in ]. I'm not American and my english is poor. I don't know we can't update a result and we need until the event was completed. Also I need using some times to translate what is talking about. After I translate it, I'm stopped edit in the page. Thanks. ] (]) 07:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Here's the thing... you have been warned of this many times on multiple subjects, and you've been editing here for 10 years now. I count that you have been warned 11x since September 2024... most of which you didn't answer on your talk page. In October you were told by an editor "Please ensure you are familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges." On December 24 I told you to "Self-revert or I WILL report you, and you will get blocked" for 8 reverts of Template:U.S. Figure Skating Championships. The same day I told you "You are also dangerously close to being blocked for your edits at "U.S. Figure Skating Championships." Yesterday a third editor told you to stop vandalizing "United States men's national ice hockey team". You were told about edit warring and to read up on consensus by editors at WP:Hockey. And then again a warning for "United States men's national junior ice hockey team".

::This has gone on long enough. For your own good you need to be blocked a couple days to think about things and you really should be doing one edit and then move on to another topic. As soon as another editor reverts your new edit that should be a huge red ringing warning not to edit that page again until given the go-ahead by other editors on the talk page. This has to stop NOW before your privilege of editing here gets revoked. I was stern with you on your talk page about your 8 reverts, but you stopped and we came to a compromise, and I did not report you. Since then your talk page has been filled by five more minor and major warnings. ] (]) 08:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I can promise stop editing about ice hockey pages in recent days and calm down more because I've make a controversial. I'm sorry again. Thanks. ] (]) 08:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{AN3|d}} with leave to re-report if reported user breaks his promise above. ] (]) 18:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, that's good enough for me. ] (]) 22:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. ] (]) 01:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== ] reported by ] (Result: Indefinitely blocked) ==

'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Huaynaputina}}

'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Atsee}}

'''Previous version reverted to:'''


'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' '''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
# {{diff2|1266208513|16:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) don't revert for no reason. If you disagree with my reasons for making an edit, you need to explain why."
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# {{diff|oldid=1266205410|diff=1266205775|label=Consecutive edits made from 15:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC) to 15:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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## {{diff2|1266205683|15:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) first one doesn't need to be a footnote; second is not necessary; third is not relevant; fourth doesn't even make sense."
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## {{diff2|1266205775|15:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) there is no citation where the fact tag has been placed. place the relevant citation there. that is all that needs doing."
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# {{diff|oldid=1262695206|diff=1266185442|label=Consecutive edits made from 13:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC) to 13:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}}
## {{diff2|1266184197|13:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "removed a lot of footnotes which are redundant. there is no need for a definition of a term when the term is linked."
## {{diff2|1266185193|13:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "doesn't need a dictionary link"
## {{diff2|1266185442|13:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "/* Caldera collapse */"


'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' (See edit summary) '''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''
# {{diff2|1266205992|15:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "/* Your edits on Huaynaputina */ new section"


'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' '''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''
# {{diff2|1266206482|15:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "/* Footnotes */ Reply"


<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> <u>'''Comments:'''</u>
IP hopper is continuing to edit war despite warning and attempts to discuss at talk. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">] ]</span> 23:21, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


Discussion at ], user repeatedly deleting footnotes without a valid reason on a Featured Article ''''']''''' (]) 16:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Holding to see if EEng's compromise is accepted (or at least stops the edit war). --] <sup>]</sup> 23:51, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:This user clearly wanted an edit war. Witness their utterly unhelpful edit summaries in their three reverts:
*'''Result:''' No action. There has been no more reverting since ] added his compromise. ] (]) 14:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:* - there is no inline "right there"; that's the precise reason I put a "fact" tag there.
:* - no other interpretation than reverting for the sake of reverting is possible.
:* - again reverting without any attempt to provide a rationale.
: There was no need to file this report. There is discussion on the talk page. The user evidently wanted an edit war, and evidently wanted to make a fuss about it. ] (]) 16:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::It took you multiple reverts before you actually even replied to the talk discussion, even after explaining in the FA and your talk pages, you continued to insinuate you are in the right. While the discussion was active, after Mike Christie's reply, you continued your reverts. ''''']''''' (]) 16:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I noticed the didn't trigger the undo tag but the edit summary suggest a revert and subsequent changes before publishing. It would count to three reverts. ''''']''''' (]) 16:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*Indefinitely blocked along with their IPs for 3 months (]).--] (]) 17:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] reported by ] (Result: Declined) == == ] reported by ] (Result: Declined) ==


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Robin Williams}} <br /> '''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Matriarchy}}
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|WorldWideNut}}


'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|36.228.143.128}}
'''Previous version reverted to:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Robin_Williams&oldid=697067899

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'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' '''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
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'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' '''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''
# {{diff2|1266184214|13:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)}} "Warning: Edit warring on ]."


'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article (/user?) talk page:''' '''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''


<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br />
Has not violated WP:3RR (but arguably edit warred) on other articles such as ], ] and ], but demonstrated tendencies. Gives none or unsubstantial reasons for reverts. ] (]) 19:53, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{AN3|d}} {{u|Throast}}, if you want to refile a report please do so with ] and not article version links and not about an article WorldWideNut last touched in '''January 2016'''. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


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== ] reported by ] (Result: ) ==


IP has persistently inserted extraordinary claims and violated the three-revert rule. ] (]) 16:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II}} <br />
:{{AN3|d}} as user has not edited since the last warning they got ten hours ago (of course, if they resume ...). I ''will'' leave a CTOPS notice on the talk page. ] (]) 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|François Robere}}


== ] reported by ] (Result: Both users and an IP blocked from page for a week) ==
'''Previous version reverted to:'''

'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory}} <br />
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Dustinscottc}}

'''Previous version reverted to:'''


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'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' See talk page of article, and reported editor's talk page.


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<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br />
The edit warring is a ] situation at an article Talk page, but I tried to explain the issue to the editor at my own Talk,
The reported editor has been making major changes to the "Poland" section of the article over and over again for more than a week now, in spite of being reverted by multiple other editors, and returned to in spite of there being an ongoing discussion on the talk page of the article, with no consensus supporting the changes. After making three reverts today I gave them a 3RR-warning, and since they felt the warning was nonsense I also pointed them to ], after which they tried to deliberately skirt the 3RR-rules by not making a direct revert or the type of blatant blanking they've done before, "only" editing part of the section and adding ''"it occasionally took part in persecuting fellow Jewish partisans"''. Whether it should count as a revert or not is open to interpretation, but the editing pattern and the attempt to get at least part of their changes into the article, even after being warned, and with no support from other editors, shows that they have no intention of stopping, and couldn't care less about what other editors think. -&nbsp;'''Tom'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] ] 20:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
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'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:'''
Waiting on a response from {{u|François Robere}}. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{ping|NeilN}} They just the 3RR-warning, the discussion that followed and the AN3-notification, so I don't think you'll see any response from them here. -&nbsp;'''Tom'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] ] 20:50, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br />
; Comment by François Robere:
This editor has reverted 5 times already and shows no sign of stopping; the account is an ] and the editor is warring to obscure this on the article talk page that they are preoccupied with.
* The OP is conflating several edits (not to say several issues), which I'll now explain.
:They seem really determined to claim that they aren't an SPA, using the ] "Editing timeline" section to claim the label doesn't count. But I see no other description for an account that hasn't edited since 2013 and, since reactivating recently, has only edited this one talk page outside of 3 edits earlier this year. ]]<sup>]</sup> 00:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
* The first edit I made there tonight (which is also my first edit there in three days) was . with the editor who introduced the content - in particular, the number and quality of sources (4-5 sources per claim, some contradicting the the claims they're supposed to establish), and the relevance of some details - but after three days of not getting a reply from an otherwise active editor, I decided to make the changes. The OP blocked the change, claiming "discussion was taking place", but the fact of the matter discussion had stopped three days earlier. While it is within my rights, ''I did not revert the OPs reversion'' and decided to move on to other parts of the article.
* The is of a reference to "Righteous Among the Nations" - this has was discussed ''multiple times'' on the talk page, with the consensus being it's irrelevant to this article, and ''all mentions have been removed''. This situation held for some time, until another editor, perhaps unfamiliar with the discussions, restored it several days ago. My removal of the material was completely within the consensus.
* The isn't a reversal of anything - it's material that was part of the article on-and-off in some form for a while, though with little discussion to either side. I pointed out before that this material is, essentially an attempt at sanitizing certain historical facts (as much of the current content is), and the sources that support this assertion are already cited in some place or another. In policy terms - the content wasn't ] (owing mainly to ] sources), and there's nothing preventing its removal by me or by anyone else.
* The final edit the OP is referring to included the addition of material that was never in question by anyone (other than a request for page number). Frankly I don't know why the OP even includes it. The only time it was removed was when another editor undid ''a week's worth of changes'' by everyone, without objecting any particular edit. Mind, that editor hasn't been reported to ANI, and neither has the editor who just made removal with no discussion.
* Having these too reverted, despite all the reasoning and discussion we already had. I went back to the talk page and gave a of the text (including parts I didn't touch), which I doubt will provoke discussion as it isn't the first time I've done it.
* So it's essentially a bunch of disjointed edits, properly discussed, with no attempt of "war" or anything that breaches policy.
* We may yet need ANI involvement there, but this isn't the case. Editors have openly expressed racist views, flaunted consensus, introduced bias to the article in any number of ways, and otherwise sought to hinder any progress unfriendly to their POV in this almost shameful piece of text. If you check the ] you'll see it's chock full of repetition, dead-end discussions, and accusations without merit (and a handful with), which over the course of a month resulted in very little progress. I do not doubt the OPs honest intentions, but I doubt they went through that talk page before submitting their request; had they done so, they would've either shown a bit more patience with my edits, or asked for ANI involvement in any of a number of other matters.
] (]) 21:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::*{{ping|François Robere}} Instead of trying to get your changes into the article by brute force you should have tried ] and/or started a formal ] (asking for wider input, and increasing the chances of getting a neutral article). But edit-warring is never acceptable, even if you're right and everyone else '''is''' wrong. -&nbsp;'''Tom'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] ] 22:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: Oh, but I have. For example, I asked for ]'s attention several weeks ago. As for edit warring: I challenge you to look at the and tell me I did anything unusual, or more importantly: wrong. The only difference you'll see is that I make infrequent ] edits, while others make many small ones, but I don't "edit war" over them afterwards. ] (]) 22:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
*In my opinion, ] should be blocked for long-term edit warring. This might be avoided if he will respond here and promise to make no more edits of this article without a prior consensus on the talk page. (The history is full of his reverts, and there's a variety of people on the other side). ] (]) 01:15, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:*{{ping|EdJohnston}} The article is fully protected for a week so a block wouldn't be too effective. I am concerned about what's going to happen after the protection expires given that FR continued to revert after this report was opened. I'd support a lengthier block or a voluntary ] restriction on that article. --] <sup>]</sup> 02:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::: Seriously? Me, of all people? I have more edits on the talk page ''trying'' to reach consensus than probably anyone else (), and ''I did get it'' for some of my changes (see below for an example). Plus I'm probably the only one who tried to limit his edits per week out of their own volition just to give others some time to react.
::: Consensus and/or attempts to reach a consensus per edit:
:::* The first was discussed . Three days passed without a reply (from an otherwise active) before I removed the material. The material was then reintroduced, ''still'' without discussion. This time I didn't remove it, just it. The other editor then , again without discussion. Is this edit warring? If it is, then what you're essentially saying is that you're not allowed to even tag a text if the other editor stopped discussing it mid-way, because "there's no consensus".
:::* The second edit was per consensus: (the last one is from the reverting editor).
:::* The material in the third edit was not discussed by anyone, including the adding editor, so there wasn't any "consensus" to begin with. Again - how is that "edit warring"?
:::* I can go on and on. For example, I can show you an edit I've done ''unopposed'' two weeks ago; the material was later reintroduced by an ''uninvolved editor'' (who I can only assume wasn't aware of the discussion and consensus). Yet now I wouldn't think of repeating that edit, just because someone might shout "vandalism". Consensus only works here if things "settle down" long enough to implement whatever the group decided (which is sort of what I tried to encourage by ''not'' editing every single day), but if others just keep adding and removing things in the same paragraph ''several times a day'' then it's practically impossible to reach consensus, not to say to maintain it. I mean - have you seen the talk page? 21 out of 25 sections are about this single section, and the article went through some 400 revisions ''just this month'' - 15 revisions a day, most of which by ''only two editors'', of which I'm not one (). It's impossible to keep up.
:::* That being said, there ''is'' wide agreement on what should and shouldn't be in the article - and you can see the diffs above for an example; it's mainly ''those two editors'' who are opposing change. In fact, I'm convinced that if you ask the dozen or so editors involved in the article what ''they'' think about my revisions, you'll see my suggestions have broader support than the current text. Indeed, no other editor but these two and the OP had ever reverted my changes, at least AFAICR. If you still think that I infringed on the consensus, then be my guest and block me, but for decency's sake block everyone else as well - that article is a nightmare to work on.
::: ] (]) 03:20, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::: Oh, and a PS: You said something about me continuing to "revert" after Thomas's request was filed? That's not true. My last "reversion" there was made 1:15h before he filed his - the rest was a tag (which was immediately removed by one of the editors I mentioned); a new reference (which was immediately removed by the same editor); and a quote that was in most revisions in the last month and a half and was never up for deletion. Was this what you were referring to? ] (]) 04:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: I think I'll say few words here. The editor in question indeed made multiple reverts and volume alterations to the article without reaching an agreement with others. But in my view, the difficulty with François lies in his firm belief and unconscious rejection of any messages that may challenge his opinion. I think he noticed that editors are tired of arguing with him, his talk page messages started to be ignored, and then he let to be carried away a little. I never observed him acting like this before so please take this into consideration during the evaluation. Thank you ] (]) 10:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::::: You wanted to remove the IPN mention? I agreed. You wanted to remove Bauer's quote? I agreed. You wanted positive examples? I agreed. You mentioned negotiations? I looked them up. Saying I'm "inflexible" is just dishonest. I am inflexible about very specific things: characterization persecution of Jews by Poles as a "]" based on "]"; asserting that we should avoid writing the historical truth because it will hurt some people's feelings; framing a discussion in racial terms (ie who's Polish, who's Jewish etc.) - these things I am very inflexible about. Everything else is debatable. ] (]) 10:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


:“Users with a diversified edit history that indicates that the user became inactive for an extended period and then later re-established themselves with single-subject edits. Note that a time gap in edit history may be evidence that the person may have been referred to Misplaced Pages by an outside source (see WP:MEATPUPPET), but this is not evidence that the account is an SPA.”
{{u|François Robere}}, you don't get to pick what reverts "count". As soon as you were notified of this report you should have stopped editing there. Will you voluntarily accept a ] on that article? --] <sup>]</sup> 14:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:I don’t see how my situation doesn’t fall squarely into this definition of what is not SPA.
: You see? This is why I like visiting the good folks at ANI - there's always something new to be learned here (and usually something most Wikipedians don't even know about. Well done!).
:It seems pretty clear that the SPA label was applied (by an anonymous user) to try to discredit me during an ongoing discussion on a talk page. What is the proper recourse to resolve that? What is the protocol to prevent other editors from inappropriately applying tags to my own comments? ] (]) 01:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
: Regarding the edit you cited, here's the consensus regarding that source or the position it expresses: Frankly, I don't even know who removed it - it was there in some form for several weeks now. Any other edits that draw your attention?
::The topic of this filing is your edit-warring on that talk page. The question whether a handful of edits you made in 2009 and 2010 mean that you are not an ] in 2024-25 is, at best, to be discussed in another venue, as are the questions you are now asking about "recourse" for being "discredited". None of that would be a ]. ] (]) 01:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
: Regarding your suggestion - as I already mentioned, I already limited myself to 2-3 edits a week at the most, which is <1RR anyway (but thanks for elucidating what counts as a "revert" in the obscure scriptures of Wiki law).
:::You’ve made your point—now I’m asking a question. You reverted my changes without justification. I’m now asking how to address unjustified edits to my own comments in the future.
: Now a couple of question:
:::For what it’s worth, if whether or not I am in fact SPA is irrelevant, why did you bring it up in your report?
:# If there's no particular group of edits that draw your attention that I can't show is rooted in consensus, how does this affect the OP's submission?
:::Please do not respond unless you have an answer to that question ] (]) 02:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:# Having essentially "swam against the tide" in this case, with two opposing editors putting a large volume of changes (400< /month) while neglecting consensus procedures (including more reversals than I ever made that I just didn't report), will you be suggesting the same limitation to other editors as well? If they continue like that, against everyone else's wishes, this thing will be back in ANI soon enough. ] (]) 18:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::::To answer your question, I mentioned your SPA editing because it is relevant to whether you are ] or not, which may affect how the community responds to your edit-warring behaviour.
::: One of the two other editors I mentioned left a comment here earlier supporting 1RR. I was already replying in the "edit conflict" view when they decided to retract it. The other editor also suggested "pausing" for a while. I've no objection to either; my only worry is that at some point after the block is lifted people will start raking edits again, and the article will quickly morph back to what it was, which most of the editors involved (8 out of 12, give or take) found inadequate. ] (]) 21:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Also, templates following your comments are not considered {{tq|edits to your own comments}}, and you should not seek to {{tq|address}} them. ] (]) 03:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Just one note, all someone has to do is scroll down the edit history of the article to see how busy you were deleting and altering huge chunks of text, and cluttering the talk page with multiple "recommendations" for change, way too much for anyone to sift through. Anyone else would be blocked by now for edit warring, but for some reason, this just keeps going, and getting worse until the article got locked. --] (]) 20:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Is repeatedly reverting the deletion of an editor’s SPA tag and then reporting that editor for edit warring helpful to building an encyclopedia? Or would it have been a better use of everyone’s time to simply say to yourself, “Maybe whether this user is SPA isn’t so clear, so I’ll just drop it”? ] (]) 03:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
: First of all, I made ] edits that were thoroughly explained () and ''immediately'' reverted by you - ''only you'' - without explanation. Then you filed an ANI against me, which was rejected. Finally, after reverting my changes (both big and small - you didn't even let me tag a source, remember?) you started amassing edit, ignoring the discussion and ignoring the consensus. At the moment it's just you and GizzyCatBella who think the article is not "Polish" enough - Nihil Novi is a bit here and a bit there, PoeticBent disappeared, and the other eight editors including myself expressed views which clearly oppose your own. ''But you keep editing 8-10 times a day, restoring material and rephrasing material to try and push your POV.''
::::::As the person who tagged you as a SPA, in the last DECADE you have made (1) edit not about this topic. You should self revert and retag yourself. ] (]) 04:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
: As for "clutter", both you and GizzyCatBella started more sections than I did. I only started - what, three sections? But you call this "clutter". Add that to the list of claims you made against me that didn't pan out (including the ones from today about your disappearing sources and supposed "sanitation" ). ] (]) 21:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I’ve already cited the relevant guidance regarding returns from an extended absence. And for what it’s worth, I have made multiple other small fixes to articles without signing into my account. ] (]) 04:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Oof, read ]. ] (]) 04:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Have you read it? WP:LOUTSOCK is only a problem when intended to deceive. ] (]) 04:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Can you name another area where you are engaged? ] (]) 04:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::In the past few days? None. I’ve spent all of my limited Misplaced Pages time trying to resolve one sentence. Assuming that resolves, I will likely continue to make minor edits to topics related to law, the Latter-day Saint movement, and Arizona.
:::::::::::SPA isn’t a designation for accounts that are presently focused on one thing—it’s for accounts that appear to exist for one purpose. ] (]) 04:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::You've spent a DECADE focused on one talk page, you are a single purpose account. ] (]) 04:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I’ve spent a decade focused on a subject that didn’t exist four years ago? ] (]) 04:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So you were not actually editing? ] (]) 04:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Asked and answered. ] (]) 04:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*Rather obvious violation. Dustinscottc's demand on how a response can be made here is not a good sign. ] (]) 02:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


:Since I can’t seem to find a way to reply directly to the report, I will have to place this comment here.
{{u|EdJohnston}}, I see little acceptance that they were edit warring FR's responses and it looks like a refusal to accept a ] restriction. One week block? --] <sup>]</sup> 20:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:Looking through other actions, declining any action appears to be the most consistent approach. I have not reverted anything since the warning. I had not realized that 3RR applied to talk pages. The reversions were in response to apparently concerted efforts (given the timing of each reversion by different users) to prevent me from removing the (I believe, inappropriately) imposed SPA tags.
: Oh, I'm not saying the dynamics there weren't... shall we say, counter-productive; what I ''am'' saying is that I didn't initiate any of it, I merely tried to maintain a consensus ''that was already reached'' against a tide of edits by users who didn't mind it. As I said - if you think a block is due, do it - but you'll have to block several other editor as well, as this hardly encompasses just these two. ] (]) 21:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:I would appreciate some guidance on how to object to the SBA tags in situations like this. ] (]) 03:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|François Robere}} I don't quite get why you won't accept a ] restriction. --] <sup>]</sup> 21:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{AN3|d}}. ], your use of ] is excessive, approaching ]. Please take this as a warning to dial back. But it is true that you have not reverted since being warned about it, so I will not sanction you for edit warring. ] &#124; ] 05:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|NeilN}} I told you, I already did so on my own volition before this thing even started (though with a different definition of "reversion"). In fact, I've no problem not editing the text ''at all'' (as it is almost every change I make gets reverted by these two, so what's the difference?) - I rather trust my ability to conduct the whole thing from the talk page - '''but''' I want the guarantee that something will change in the dynamics there. ] has to be respected. I've already avoided the article for a week once before, and you know what happened? The section was completely different - reverted, actually - contrary to everything we agreed on just a week before. If you're only suggesting to sanction me then this whole thing will happen again in a week or two with one of the other editors, and then what's the point? If we're already here - just 1RR everybody and take it to mediation - there's support for that anyway. ] (]) 22:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:* An absolutely ridiculous Pblock just happened from {{u|Daniel Case}}, who is apparently trying to do a "ban everyone so an actual decision doesn't have to be made" action. So I don't think your decline is being listened to here, {{u|Bishonen}}. ]]<sup>]</sup> 05:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:], I agree with the one-week block. If François doesn't believe he was fairly treated by the other editors he needs the usual steps of ]. Continuing to revert isn't a solution. ] (]) 21:28, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:*:Did it possibly occur to you that I ''might'' have been writing the long explanation for my action below and had ''no idea'' that while I was doing so Bishonen had decided to decline? ] (]) 05:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:: ], "edit warring" isn't a one person's thing. What you're saying is that instead of looking at the whole situation (and I think I gave plenty of reasons to do so already), possibly forcing 1RR on ''everyone'' (which, as I said earlier, isn't a bad idea), you're going on a "first reported, first served" basis. This won't change the dynamics in that article or any other (again, there's an 8:2 consensus in that article against those too, and others also reverted their material as late as today afternoon ), just make it a race to ANI in an attempt to influence content disputes. ] (]) 22:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::Duly noted. Thank you. ] (]) 05:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{AN3|bb|a week}} from the page along with {{IP|107.115.5.100}}. My block of Dustin is with some regret; it is only because their reverts are not specifically allowed by ] and I do not feel comfortable invoking ] in this situation. I commend him for remaining civil and I understand why he did it. He is in my opinion entirely correct in pointing out that the language of ] excludes his account from such tagging since their editing timeline shows edits to other articles in different areas, regardless of how long ago they were made (And to suggest that Dustin has edited nothing else "for the past decade" is meaningless and irrelevant, as COVID has only been around for a little over four years, so he couldn't ''possibly'' have edited anything COVID-related prior to that period).<p>After the first such revert, the point (if we can say there was any) had been made and the tags should ''not'' have been restored. To continue to do so, especially recently as Dustin had not edited the talk page in any capacity, is schoolyard-level textbook ]. To suggest that Dustin is a sock or meatpuppet purely on the basis of the long lacuna in their account history shows severe inability to ]. To do this on the talk page of an article near the heart of a ] ''cannot'' go unsanctioned. If, indeed, there are any genuine concerns here, they should be taken to AN/I or SPI.<p>And {{u|Silverseren}} you are better than that. ] (]) 05:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Bishonen}} I had no idea you were declining since I was writing the long explanation for my partial blocks below. If you would like to unblock go ahead. ] (]) 05:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I will leave it to you, Daniel, as I'm actually asleep, and just going back to bed - I don't want to make any delicate decisions at this point. But did you notice Dustin hadn't reverted since being warned? That was the reason I declined. You have blocked them specifically for "Violation of the three-revert rule" per the block log. You may want to change the block reason (or else unblock, I dunno). ] &#124; ] 05:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC).
:::::As I wrote below, there had been four reverts, and while perhaps 3RRNO should allow an exception in this situation it presently does not. I don't feel that I'm in the best position at the moment to just declare a new exception. ] (]) 05:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Why did I get a pblock? ] (]) 05:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::In particular, the reason you blocked me was that I made a personal attack. I'm cautious not to attack people, could you provide a diff of the personal attack I used that caused you to block me? If not, would you unblock me yourself? ] (]) 05:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Unfortunately the drop-down menu on the blocking page gives "personal attacks or harassment". I concede that you didn't engage in personal attacks, so I will put in a new entry that just says "harassmnent" ] (]) 05:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Harassment? Would you provide diffs? I didn't harass anyone, even though I admit, I am an IP and that often means catching random blocks. ] (]) 07:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::You restored the tags on Dustin's edits six hours after he had last reverted them, tags that as I have said elsewhere (and as he noted more than once) were added to every iteration of his signature on the page in direct contradiction of guidance that says his account should not be considered an SPA. You had also done this earlier. Both of these times you did not indicate in your edit summary that you were doing this, much less why. It really seems hard to conclude anything but that you and Newimpartial were trying to run Dustin off the talk page.<p>And by the way, your edits from this IP only go back a couple of days, yet you talk as if you have considerable experience that goes back some time. ] (]) 07:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No I didn't, another user readded them. I added them once was reverted and done. Please provide a diff of me readding them, or again, revert your block. ] (]) 07:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Also, my IP changes randomly. You can pay my internet service provider for a static IP if you want to. I will gladly take it. Please provide the diff of me readding those tags like you said happened though, because I'm pretty certain this is a hasty bad block, where you have confused my edit history with those involved in this report. I'm not mad, it's a confusing log and mistakes happen. ] (]) 07:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tq|Please provide the diff of me readding those tags like you said happened}}. . ] (]) 08:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


:::{{tq|especially recently as Dustin had not edited the talk page in any capacity}} This is utter nonsense. They have made 60 edits to said talk page in the past 3 days. Prior to that, they had 5 edits earlier this year (2 of which were to this same talk page) and then no edits since 2013. Returning after a long break to only edit a single talk page is absolutely SPA behavior. It is not an accusation of sock-puppetry or meat-puppetry, but a statement that the person on the account is now using it solely to push a single topic. In this case, a contentious political and scientific topic. Which is even more of a common SPA activity.
== ] reported by ] (Result: Declined) ==


:::Furthermore, your activation of ECP on the talk page fixes the problem anyways, so the Pblocks were unnecessary. ECP ensures that none of the new accounts (and some of the old ones with SPA activities like Dustin here) will be able to edit the page for the foreseeable future. Which is fine by me and sorely needed for that article. But it's funny, because it means the Pblock is pointless now. Until Dustin gets 400 more edits, at least.
;Page: {{pagelinks|Novichok agent}}
;User being reported: {{userlinks|Jsrkiwi}}


:::But, seriously, why are you using sockpuppetry as an argument whatsoever? No one here even made that claim or accusation in the first place. ]]<sup>]</sup> 05:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
;Previous version reverted to:
:::::What I was referring to ws what you may have been unaware of ... in fact, reading over your response, it's a certainty that you were. Dustin's was to revert the tagging. It remained unreverted by ''anyone'' involved here for six hours ... until 107.115 , apparently taking advantage of Dustin's decision to back off on any further edits to essentially kick him when down. ] (]) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


::::I ''did not'' put the talk page under ECP ... we very rarely do that, even in PIA articles. will easily confirm this if you don't believe me. The language of the CTOPS notice on the talk page, like all such notices, specifically and explicitly refers to the restrictions that apply to ''the associated article'' {{tq|"The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to COVID-19, broadly construed, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article ...."}} Perhaps we ''should'' find a way for the template to mention any restrictions that apply to the talk page. But that's not the issue here. ] (]) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
;Diffs of the user's reverts:
# {{diff2|830110590|20:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Removed statement that is disputed by academics"
# {{diff2|830053148|13:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} ""Generations of chemical weapons" is not a generally accepted classification"
# {{diff2|829887754|12:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Removed invented statement"


::::See . ] (]) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
# {{diff2|829903916|14:52, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Caution: Removal of content, blanking on ]. (])"
# {{diff2|830060297|14:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* March 2018 */ +"
# {{diff2|830111345|20:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Warning: Three-revert rule on ]. (])"
# {{diff2|830111711|20:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* March 2018 */ ]"


:::::A 5RR revert to the version you wanted is not "backing off", it is achieving the version you wanted without needing to make any further changes. You seem to be attributing certain beliefs on the part of 107.115's revert that isn't founded in actual evidence.
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
# {{diff2|830059268|14:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Fourth generation */ new section"
# {{diff2|830112556|20:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Fourth generation */ +"
# {{diff2|830112636|20:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* Fourth generation */ —"


:::::I don't see how pointing out after Dustin admitted to editing while logged out that doing so on any related articles would be a violation of ]. That is not accusing this current account of being a sockpuppet. Those are two different things. That was just a reminder to them that logged out editing when one does has an account should be avoided, for multiple reasons. Dustin prompted that mention because of the admission they made here on having such editing activity in between logged in times.
;<u>Comments:</u>


:::::Again, this seems to be you making massive assumptions that aren't represented by anyone's editing, not to mention openly ignoring very blatant SPA activities. ]]<sup>]</sup> 05:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Continues to revert without engaging in discussion opened on article talk page. Position is overwhelmingly repudiated by reliable sources. Behavior indicates that he intends to continue reverting repeatedly without discussion. ] (]) 20:46, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::"The version you wanted"? Hello ... ] ... Hello? We are, firstly, not talking about editorial content in an article. We are talking about an edit on a ''talk page''. Specifically, we are talking about a pejorative tag repeatedly applied to an editor's edits. On the talk page for an article in a ], where the banner at the top of the page reminds editors to be on their best behavior. This was not something readers were going to go to to look for information on the topic. And especially since I consider the constant restoration of the tags to have been harassment that was not legitimate editorial activity, I see this as ]. If ever there was a ], it was this. ] (]) 06:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


::::::{{tq|That was just a reminder to them that logged out editing when one does has an account should be avoided, for multiple reasons.}} I would believe that but for the context. Not all editing done while logged out necessarily falls under LOUTSOCK, even that done while knowingly logged out. LOUTSOCK is specific to {{tq|" Editing under multiple IP addresses, or editing under both a named account and as an IP, when done deceptively or otherwise violating the principles of this policy"}} To be fair, I would not have made that admission if I were Dustin as there was no reason for him to unless he was trying to be scrupulously honest, and I wish for the sake of this discussion that he had not, but ... if he is not anonymously editing any of the articles he edits with his account, or any related to them, he is not technically violating policy. For 107.115 to have made the leap from that admission to an accusation that implies deceptive misuse is, well, a leap of failure to assume good faith. ] (]) 06:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Neil S Walker}} I accept and understand that my approach to this was improper and abrupt and would accept any warning related to that. Clearly I erred particularly with regard to not engaging with the "4th Generation" talk. However I stand by my revised edit (i.e. the second attempted removal which was limited only to reference to weapon generations) as the exact understanding of the characterisation of "generations of chemical weapons" is not uniform between different academics or regions. Further to this, attempts by various institutions to implement exact classifications (although not "generations" in this case) have again not been successful in the sense of producing a uniform classification. At the very least I would say that the "4th generation" statement should outright state according to which characterisation schedule. ] (]) 00:23, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::You began—despite your claim to be an expert in the field of chemical warfare—by saying that the term was "invented", i.e. fictional, imaginary, spurious, and you deleted it. When shown that it was in use, you claimed that it was not in ''general'' use and deleted it. When shown that it was in widespread use by scholars, academics and government, you said instead that the use of this, formerly imaginary, term was instead a matter of hot dispute by academics. You have not offered a single example or piece of evidence for any of your claims. Your tendentious editing is the problem here, which you again fail to address convincingly in your comment above. ] (]) 09:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


::::::{{tq|Again, this seems to be you making massive assumptions that aren't represented by anyone's editing}} I disagree, to put it mildly, especially when that accusation is far truer of two of the blocked editors. As for the "SPA activities", neither you nor they ''ever'' explained why you do not think that Dustin's invocation of the language in ] that directly addresses his situation ({{tq|"Examples of users whose edits should not be labeled as being those of an SPA include the following: Users with a diversified edit history that indicates that the user became inactive for an extended period and then later re-established themselves with single-subject edits. Note that a time gap in edit history may be evidence that the person may have been referred to Misplaced Pages by an outside source (see WP:MEATPUPPET), but this is not evidence that the account is an SPA."}}) is apposite. In fact, every time he brought that up you and/or the other two ]. ] (]) 06:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Neil S Walker}} Regarding the first point related to fact, I've talked to colleagues this morning who agree that the generational classification stated within the article is based on a chronological of USSR weapons development and is therefore inconsistent with the general use of the word "generation" as used in both weapons grouping and other areas e.g. pharmaceuticals. This type of classification is not useful (other than to historians in placing the development timeline) as such generations imply similarities other than purely period in time. In addition, it is our understanding (although we may need to confer with others further) that Russia itself only recognises three generations of chemical weapons, as they categorise the generations based on the type of harm rather than a simplistic chronology. Regarding your second point on actions taken, this was largely on the basis of ignorance with respect to the talk pages. ] (]) 10:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{tq|talked to colleagues}}... {{tq|it is our understanding}}... {{tq|we may need to confer with others}} Your fallacious appeal to authority may also be an appeal to ''non''-authorities: for all anyone knows, you work in a chip shop and your colleagues are the potato peeler and the pot washer. (Actually, I know that you don't work in a chip shop. But I also have reasonable doubt that you are a recognised "expert in the field of chemical warfare".) ] (]) 10:55, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


:::::::Please stop splitting up my singular comment with multiple comments of yours. I have compiled them again, in order.
:{{reply to|Neil S Walker}} To reiterate, I recognise my approach to this edit (whilst I stand by its factual basis) was improper and in breach of Misplaced Pages's rules and principles (largely due to ignorance of talk pages), and for that I apologise.


:::::::Are you seriously claiming the use of the SPA tag is itself pejorative? It is a commonly used tag in AfDs and RfCs in general, all across Misplaced Pages. It is routinely used to tag accounts that solely edit the article or discussion in question and in particular if they have been making excessive comments in that discussion (ie 50 comments in 3 days).
:Question: on statements of fact, is it acceptable to ever quote oneself? I'm asking this question not for this particular case, but for general cases which are directly applicable to someone's current study prior to publication. Or should one wait until something concrete is ready to be cited? ] (]) 13:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::With regard to citing yourself, you may find ], ], and ] useful. ] (]) 13:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


:::::::Not all editing while logged out would violate LOUTSOCK, but do you really think an account that only edits a single talk page after returning would have edits entirely outside of that area when logged out? It's precisely an area of concern to have after such an admission of editing practices. There have been multiple IP address responders showing up on that talk page over the past two months, so it seems both relevant and prudent after such an admission to warn about such possible activity when logged in and out.
* ] edit warring isn't acceptable even if you are right. Further, ] isn't very convincing around here. Why have you been edit warring? Do you know that over ] you will get blocked, and you may still be blocked before that? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 14:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Widefox}} At the time of the multiple reversions, I was unaware of ], and further to that I was in ignorance to both talk pages in general and the talk page in question. I assumed at the time (due to lack of knowledge of both the talk pages and wikipedia's procedure, principles, rules etc) that the right action was to reaffirm the action of deletion. Clearly in hindsight (largely on the basis of better knowledge of how wikipedia operates) I accept that was wrong, and have apologised above in this string.] (]) 14:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:: ] be aware ] states {{tq|A warning is not required, ...}}, together with the general principle that ignorance of the rules doesn't exempt blah blah applies, although you're clearly indicating you won't repeat. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 14:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Looking at the timelines, I cannot see that {{u|Jsrkiwi}} was aware of our ] policy and still reverted '''before''' being reported here. {{u|Neil S Walker}}, do you have any evidence that suggests otherwise? --] <sup>]</sup> 14:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC) :::::::Please, Daniel, explain how 10 edits from 2009-2013 counts as a "diversified edit history". Practically any long-term editor familiar with SPAs on Misplaced Pages would call that duck a duck and multiple people directly have above in this very section and elsewhere. ]]<sup>]</sup> 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::That the editor has been editing since 25 May 2017 suggests otherwise, but I will defer to your decision. ] (]) 20:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::They have a total of 67 edits. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:23, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Meaningless, as well you know. ] (]) 20:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::No, not meaningless. If you think so, please review ]. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::It has nothing to do with BITE. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you over this, we both know that Jsrkiwi is not by any stretch of the imagination a newcomer. You made a decision, I told you I defer to it. If you don't want people to give you answers, don't ask questions like "Neil S Walker, do you have any evidence that suggests otherwise?" ] (]) 20:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{AN3|d}} {{u|Jsrkiwi}} is now aware of ] and talk pages. Editors are reminded to make sure new editors are knowingly breaking our policies before reporting them. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::What constitutes "a new editor"? Jsrkiwi has been on Misplaced Pages since at least 25 May 2017. ] (]) 20:20, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:: NeilN, a wording tweak at 3RR may be needed. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 14:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Widefox}} Perhaps, but I take the present wording to mean that once you are warned (or at least aware) of edit warring, then future warnings are not required. The present wording also covers off "new" and IP editors who write "stop edit warring" variations in edit summaries. They don't need warnings. Admins need to use their common sense. Do we really want to drive off true newbies with a block for violating a rule they've never heard of? --] <sup>]</sup> 16:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: I may have misread it, and seem to remember we have to give a warning (hence a feeling ''somewhere'' is inconsistent). It's moot in this case, as agree a block would only be punitive. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 16:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


::::::::{{tq|Please stop splitting up my singular comment with multiple comments of yours. I have compiled them again, in order. Are you seriously claiming the use of the SPA tag is itself pejorative?}} The real question is why you would even think that. Are you honestly asking us to suppose that ] was written just as some meaningless exercise? Why would we write guidelines about when ''not'' to use it if we didn't want it to be an accusation cast around lightly? Yes, sometimes it's true ... I have blocked quite a few accounts as SPAs (but more on that later) But, to turn around ], a widespread legitimate use in no way makes it impossible to use something ''abusively''. I should have thought that it was easy to understand that by "pejorative", I meant ''in this context''.<p>Consider also that the {{tl|alert/first}} template has the legitimate use of letting newer users, both IPs and registered accounts, know that their editing in contentious topic areas has drawn some attention, and that they should check themselves before they wreck themselves. It is broadly useful. But at the same time we warn editors against alerting someone about a contentious topic who has already been so advised, and doing that enough can be considered a blockable offense. We also have, of course, ].<p>{{tq|It is a commonly used tag in AfDs and RfCs in general, all across Misplaced Pages.}} As are the ones I've already mentioned. That widespread use does not mean they can't be misused or abused, as they were in this situation. {{tq|It is routinely used to tag accounts that solely edit the article or discussion in question and in particular if they have been making excessive comments in that discussion (ie 50 comments in 3 days).}} In my experience, slightly longer than yours here I think, that is ''not'' so routine. Really, before the present episode, I hadn't seen it used on talk pages much. I actually saw it used much more often in the old days, most frequently in AfDs, often where it was likely (or known) that people had been solicited on other websites to go vote in the AfD.<p>And think about just what level of use you're implying and what effect that would have on users. Don't many new editors come in and edit just one article getting their feet wet? Do we usually not just indulge them in this process? Would it not be sort of ] if we "routinely" tagged them as SPAs?<p>Also from my lengthy experience, the SPA tag has largely been used not just when an editor has been editing only one article or a small set of closely related ones, but when they seem to be doing so in the service of some agenda. As ] notes, "''many single-purpose accounts turn out to be well-intentioned editors with a niche interest''". Maybe that's what Dustin is? Other than his ], are you prepared to identify some agenda or interest with an ulterior motive you believe Dustin to be acting on behalf of?<p>And, really, we often used it when an editor was also being disruptive. In this case, could you identify some ''other way'' in which Dustin was being disruptive? (I know, he has been warned about ], but not to the level that it appeared people were ready to ask for a block).<p>Basically, what interest of Misplaced Pages was served by repeatedly tagging his account as an SPA in sigs? In ''talk page'' discussions? As Dustin noted, he has nowhere near the edit count necessary to edit that article, so there's no threat of disruption to it, at least not from him. And he was outnumbered in that discussion and not likely to carry that day anyway. Just ''what'' was so urgent that you had to make sure anyone reading the talk page knew he was believed to be an SPA?<p>{{tq|Not all editing while logged out would violate LOUTSOCK, but do you really think an account that only edits a single talk page after returning would have edits entirely outside of that area when logged out?}} If you have diffs that you suspect of having been Dustin as an IP editing in support of his position, then now's the time to share them. Otherwise, your argument sounds paranoid. {{tq|There have been multiple IP address responders showing up on that talk page over the past two months}}. If they have been disruptive, I think a request for semi-protecting that page, given that it's already the talk page for an article that's under indefinite ECP due to CTOPS status, would be looked upon favorably at RFPP. Targeting a specific autoconfirmed user doesn't seem like the best way to address that problem, if it is a problem.<p>{{tq|Please, Daniel, explain how 10 edits from 2009-2013 counts as a "diversified edit history".}} Hmm ... in English usage "diversified" doesn't have as much to do with the absolute number of items described, so much as how different they are from each other. Granted, with a low number, it's a little hard to make that call. But here we have 14 edits during that time period, and they include some edits to political subjects, some religious ones, one TV show, a town and a school. Those edits seem diverse to me.<p>I would also note that since I blocked him from the article talk page, Dustin has gone and made an edit to ] ... hardly the choice one would expect of some single-purpose edit warrior focused on the COVID lab-leak theory. ] (]) 08:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== ] reported by ] (Result: Isaw warned) ==
:::::::::Just to add, as a bemused watcher of that page: the SPA tag was added first to their !vote in an RfC. You can make a case that this was legitimate, because the ''purpose'' of the tag is to indicate to a closer of the discussion that the !vote was cast by someone who has not edited widely elsewhere and may or may not be canvassed to the discussion. It is up to the closer to decide what to do with that information. But it is informational. Once. Dustin went on to write a lot, and yes, they did get carried away, and warnings about bludgeoning were rightly given. But we have just noted that they have limited experience on Misplaced Pages, so to tag every single one of their comments looks pretty ]y from where I am sitting. ] (]) 08:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 2 weeks) ==
;Page: {{pagelinks|Bill Warner (Political Islam)}}
;User being reported: {{userlinks|Isaw}}


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|List of nicknames of prime ministers of India}}
;Previous version reverted to:


'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|49.36.235.180}}
;Diffs of the user's reverts:
# {{diff2|830119172|21:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "REentered source Canadian Citizens For Charter Rights And Freedomsas it was not shown to be anti-iskamic as claimed. aslso citing peer review Journal reference to warner specificially on the subject of Political Islam as defined by Warner. Debatable if SPLC is baised but in view of balance willl leave it there."
# {{diff2|830117793|21:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830100976 by ] (]) https://en.wikipedia.org/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center#Controversies_over_hate_group_and_extremist_listings states: n October 2016, the SPLC published a list of "anti-Muslim extremists", including British activist Maajid Nawaz and ex-Muslim activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The SPLC said that Nawaz appeared to be "more interested in self-promotion and money than in any particular ideological dispute", identified what it said were gaps and inconsistencies in his backstory, rebuking his assertion that British universities had been infiltrated by radical Islamists. Nawaz, who identifies as a "liberal, reform Muslim", denounced the listing as a "smear", saying that the SPLC listing had made him a target of jihadists."
# {{diff2|830084834|17:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "No reason that Canadian Citizens For Charter Rights And Freedoms is not as an acceptable a source as the two prior ones which denotes editorial bias by Drmies"
# {{diff2|829966472|22:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 829849050 by ] (]) It is OPINION that Warner opposes Islam. Warner himself says he opposes only political parts of Islam i.e. whger Islam imposes itself on other people. To describe him as anti Islam would necessitate evidence to support that opinion."


'''Previous version reverted to:'''
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
# {{diff2|830118545|21:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Warning: Three-revert rule on ]. (])"


'''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
# {{diff2|830101828|19:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)}} "/* More sources to check to see if we can use them */ c" # {{diff2|1266671120|18:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Narendra Modi */Again not a nickname just a term used by opposition to demean not by everyone as a nickname."
# {{diff2|1266664937|18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "What do you consider a correct source according to you?"
# {{diff2|1266663323|17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Narendra Modi */Then how can this a source of nickname it's just a opinion of someone for gaining votes and demeaning opposition party."
# {{diff|oldid=1266660316|diff=1266661733|label=Consecutive edits made from 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC) to 17:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}}
## {{diff2|1266661217|17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Correct and same type source as you have recently republished"
## {{diff2|1266661733|17:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} ""
# {{diff2|1266659796|17:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} ""
# {{diff2|1266658673|17:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Narendra Modi */Not a nickname just a disrespectful term used by some dirty politics doings politicians bad mouthing publicly to gain attention over their pity self career ."
# {{diff2|1266656138|17:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Narendra Modi */"


'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''
;<u>Comments:</u>
# {{diff2|1266658968|17:31, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Caution: Removal of content, blanking on ]."
] (]) 22:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)Would like to know if I can add my comments here. Am trying to resolve this in talk page and this is the first time i have been involved in any edit war and would like some advice on how to proceed. I note sources from peer review journals are being called "Muslim hater" when they disagree with the opinion of those who oppose my inclusion of these sources.
# {{diff2|1266660417|17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Welcome to Misplaced Pages!"
*Yes, you can certainly comment here, ]. But please sign your posts at the ''end'' like other editors do, not in front, and use colons to ] responses, as is practice here. It's extremely difficult to figure out when it's you talking on ]; I had to use the history. That said, the way to proceed when involved in an edit war is to ''not'' edit war, and especially to not violate the 3RR rule as you have done. See Doug Weller's warning on your page. Were you aware of the 3RR rule when you made your fourth revert ()? Please respond below. ] &#124; ] 22:31, 12 March 2018 (UTC).
# {{diff2|1266662950|17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* List of nicknames of prime ministers of India */ new section"
:*Not wanting to rush anybody, but I have to go to bed now. I'm going to assume Isaw didn't see the warning in time, as it came pretty late in the process and Isaw reverted again only four minutes later. Therefore, I have only warned Isaw for edit warring, not blocked. But please read ] with care before you continue to edit, Isaw. ] &#124; ] 22:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC).
# {{diff2|1266664188|18:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* List of nicknames of prime ministers of India */"
] thank you for the editing advice. I hope my formatting is correct. No was not aware it was the fourth revert as i had edited a number of parts of the article. Didnt read his report until after. Sorry about my ignorance of the editing process.
# {{diff2|1266666642|18:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* List of nicknames of prime ministers of India */ discuss please"
My main contention is one of balance. I believe ( and i may be wrong in this ) that had I posted an edit critical of Warner or calling him a "muslim hater" it would not be edited by the user in question. But that is my opinion. What is a fact however is that a second source from a peer review journal was deleted and this source was called a "another muslim hater" . This indicates clear bias on the editors part. I have tried to show the source SPLC can also be critiqued but I would not remove it as it is a source for an opinion even if it is a large commercial concern that rarely engages in civil rights litigation today and is not a peer review journal.
I also accept Warner does not publish in peer review journals on this subject but he has published several books on the subject of Political Islam which reach a broader audience and which are also quoted by peer review journals and gray Publications such as Military reports relating to Political Islam. I have already posted some of these sources on the talk page. Should I bring this to the talk page and discuss it there? In the end what really matters is the statistical analysis of Warner on the Islamic "trilogy" is being questioned and I can't see any serious errors in his methodology. Instead he is just called names. I will hopefully discuss this tomorrow. thank you for your attention ] (]) 22:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, please take all content and sourcing discussion to the talkpage, it doesn't belong on this board. Thank you for signing correctly and attempting to indent. That's not how to do it, though — you use colons to indent. I referred to ] as a help page for you to read about how to use the colons, not as a code to accomplish the indenting. Click on the blue link and take a look at the help page. Though it may actually be easier to open any discussion page in edit mode and look for how experienced users use the colons. Once you look for it, I think it's pretty self-explanatory. Good night all. ] &#124; ] 23:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC).


'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''
{{AN3|protected}} for 1 week. This is a content dispute. The fact that there was edit warring seems like a secondary consideration to me. I note that one of the participants can edit fully-protected articles due to being an administrator; I advise against this during the protection duration... and I don't want to hear that I protected ], it is what it is. Work out a solution on the talk page. ~] <small>(])</small> 23:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
# {{diff2|1266666105|18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* "Maun Mohan" */ new section"
:], I'm not interested in the right or wrong version either, but I believe your protection was uncalled for, especially for a whole week. There's not one but two admins editing the article, Doug Weller and Drmies, and I don't think "advising" either of them not to edit through protection, as you do, was called for either, as they are highly experienced and surely know all there is to know about protection. One is an arbitrator, the other an ex-arbitrator. Obviously it's a content dispute, yes, as most of the cases of edit warring brought here are. But Isaw is a new anti-muslim editor who seems to be here ], so I'm not sure what the chances are to "work out a solution" with them. There was already consensus against their editing and sourcing on the talkpage, though admittedly only four users were editing it (counting ], who hasn't been heard for the last week). That's not the right time to protect, IMO. Please consider undoing your action. ] &#124; ] 09:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC).
# {{diff2|1266666283|18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* "Maun Mohan" */ coment"
::{{reply|Bishonen}} There was a time in the past when I protected an article due to a content dispute between several editors, and no less than 3 highly experienced administrators ''continued'' making unwarranted content edits for several hours after protection. I recall this was roundly criticized in a related ANI discussion. Therefore, based on that experience, I will ''always'' remind any involved admin not to edit an article after it's protected. I am sorry if you feel put off by that, but if it happened before in such a blatant manner, it could happen again. 1 week is a normal duration for a content dispute, although I have no objection to anyone reducing the duration or removing the protection altogether. As for the 'wrong version' comment, I confess I didn't pay attention to which version I protected; that comment was directed toward Isaw. I see now that I protected Isaw's version -- I understand now how that comment would be taken wrongly given the version that was protected. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::] I am not an admin and have never used a talk page before this discussion.( This is the first time I goit an indent right). I do know what fair and balanced reporting means and calling people who disagree with their opinion a "muslims hater" denotes personal bias on this issue on the part of an admin.I feel experienced Admins are ganging up on me and I welcome your intervention and would like an experienced admin who has no bais to review the discussion we have about Bill Warner. Because I am inexperienced and am opposed by two admins and because one of them has openly admitted he regards Bill Warner and a peer reviewed source citing Bill Warner as "muslim haters" I would really appreciate a non biased judge. Also, I have posted most of my arguments to the Bill Warner Talk page and would suggest the discussion continue there. ] (]) 10:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:] I resent the personal attack on my by ]who describes me as "anti-muslim". THis seems to be becoming a habit in this discussion. I have no requirement to defend myself against personal defamation but I will say I have several Muslim friends I play sports with ( on the same team I might add). Nor am I trying to "right some great wrong" as claimed! I just detect a deal of bias and imbalance with respect to this Article. Making personal attacks on me when I raise that issue only convinces me all the more of the personal bias here. If anyone has an axe to grind here it is the people calling me, Bill Warner, and others "muslims haters" and editing out and references they make to sources which might depict Bill Warner in a positive light or as a valid and reliable source or as someone whose comments on Islam are respected as valid. When they don't like the person making a point rather than deal with the point they attack the person making it. ] (]) 11:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:]I have since entered a discussion with https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Doug_Weller on my own talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Isaw#March_2018 and I dont know how to proceed as it seems clear to me that in advance of any edits and in advance of any discussion this person thinks I another muslims hater. The reason given is that I provide sources which might back up Bill Warners views. Ironically Doug Weller accuses me of 'starting with a false premise and treating it as though it were true' when he clearly admits his premise that I am anti Muslim is assumed by him to be true in advance of any discussion on editing of the article. As such I really do not know how to proceed because while I am prepared to and want ot discuss the merits or drawbacks of sources his motivation ( and probably the motivation behind this reporting of me) is his personal opinion that I am anti muslim. Not alone is this starting with a false premise but it is starting with a bais which appears to be the actual conclusion he is set on proving. I dont know how I am supposed to deal with that.] (]) 15:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{reply|Isaw}} Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages, and I hope you stay, in spite of your rocky beginnings. Please understand that the issues you raise should not be debated on this page. Here on this page, we are discussing an edit warring incident which has been resolved. If you feel that you are being personally attacked, take it up on ]. If you are having a content dispute, see ] for the various avenues you have. Edit warring is ''not'' one of those avenues. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
]. Thanks and understood. Can you explain if the page is locked down how it was edited? "administrators have a duty to avoid protecting a version that contains policy-violating content", yet protected version contained improperly sourced material in a BLP)."? Maybe I should address this in the actual discussion in the talk page on content and sources? in absence of no direction from you in the next day or so that is what I shall do. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


<u>'''Comments:'''</u>
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 1 week) ==


I've warned, engaged, started talk discussion, and I'm burnt out. Need someone else to look so I don't engage in 3RR myself. ] <sup style="color:black">]</sup> 04:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
;Page: {{pagelinks|Super Cup (India)}}
:{{AN3|b|2 weeks}} ] (]) 05:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
;User being reported: {{userlinks|Sávy}}


== ] reported by ] (Result: /23 blocked from both articles for a week) ==
;Previous version reverted to:


'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|2024 United States presidential election in Kentucky}} {{pagelinks|Letcher County, Kentucky}} <br />
;Diffs of the user's reverts:
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|174.196.104.11}}
# {{diff2|830199360|11:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} ""
# {{diff2|830170005|04:52, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} ""
# {{diff2|830159567|03:10, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} ""


'''Previous version reverted to:'''
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
# {{diff2|830170481|04:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Final warning: Vandalism on ]. (])"


'''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
# - Dec 31 "these are the correct results according to Dave Leips"
# - Dec 31 "Per source of Dave Leips"
# - Jan 1 "These are the correct results per Dave Leip’s. Don’t undo this edit again."
# - Jan 1
# - Jan 1 "these are the correct results per Dave Leip’s. Don’t undo this edit again."
# - Jan 1 "per source of Dave Leip’s"
# - Jan 1 "These are the correct results per source of Dave Leip’s"


'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''


'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''
;<u>Comments:</u>


'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:'''
The user keeps adding the unsourced information page to ] and other Indian Football related pages. User's edits were reverted with explanation, but the user neither responds on talk page of the article or on his own page. The user has been warned by multiple users and has previously been banned for such behaviour as well. ] (]) 12:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{AN3|b|1 week}} {{u|Coderzombie}}, if {{u|Sávy}} resumes the same behavior again after the block expires let me know and I'll block indefinitely. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:: {{u|NeilN}} Thank you. ] (]) 13:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br />All the differences on both pages concern whether to use the numbers from a website called (which cites the Kentucky State Board of Elections as its data source) or the Official 2024 General Election Results provided by the . The number for "other" votes on the page before the edit warring was 126 for Letcher County (per election board), which the IP insists on changing to 146 (per Dave Leip).
== ] reported by ] (Result: ) ==


I should also note that {{ping|Mad Mismagius}} reverted all but one and the current IP edits on these pages without warning the user or attempting to engage in talk page discussion. I made one revert and left a warning on the user's talk page, who later reverted my revert.
;Page: {{pagelinks|2017–18 UEFA Champions League knockout phase}}
;User being reported: {{userlinks|81.131.97.255}}


Also, there are two other IPs (now dormant) that made identical edits on these pages with similar edit summaries. One on "Correct Letcher County votes" and another on "these are the correct results according to Dave Leips". ] (]) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
;Previous version reverted to:
:{{AN3|b|a week}} {{IPvandal|174.196.104.0/23}} from articles. ] (]) 06:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked one week) ==

'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|List of Squid Game characters}}

'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|2804:3D5C:B300:7B0:540A:406B:F7AF:C17D}}

'''Previous version reverted to:'''

'''Diffs of the user's reverts:'''


;Diffs of the user's reverts:
# {{diff2|830291502|22:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830291429 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|830291143|22:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830291063 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|830290560|22:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830290534 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|830290497|22:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830290329 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|830290255|22:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830290221 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|830290200|22:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830290101 by ] (])"
# {{diff2|830290056|22:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 830289953 by ] (])"


;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning: '''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''
# {{diff2|1266833562|12:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material (])"
# {{diff2|1266835365|12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Caution: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material (])"
# {{diff2|1266835679|12:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Warning: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material (])"


'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''


;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:


<u>'''Comments:'''</u>


False. You did vandalize the same text multiple times using as excuse lack of sources (not anyone's fault you tried to edit a page without watching the respective show and made a fan-canon where the show's actitons never happened) when there are 0 sources on the entirety of the discussed character as the information used is from visual/audio information from the 4th episode.
;<u>Comments:</u>
I asked you to stop in my IP talk page, in your talk page, and on the page's talk page, and you refused, instead you vandalized over and over again. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*{{AN3|b|one week}}. ] (]) 14:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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    User:Remsense reported by User:2001:569:7FEA:2900:D124:450:C36:AF27 (Result: No violation)

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    Page: Justice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Remsense (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:



    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:

    Comments: Guilty as charged. None of my justifications matter, since 3RR doesn't care that IPs can just slip into the night instead of actually engaging in discussion on talk, leaving a highly visible article in a broken state for hours because my hands are tied to fix it. Can't ask anyone else to fix it because that's canvassing. I've been given a lot of wiggle room here over the past couple months, so if this earns me a week then so be it. It's extremely frustrating trying to protect the most important articles on the site, so maybe after this I should just give up. Remsense ‥  20:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Remsense: Your accusation that I left a highly visible article in a broken state for hours is a completely baseless attack and should lengthen your block. Any administrator can read the article's diffs and confirm that at no point did I do such a thing. You're the one who deleted well-referenced material. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:D124:450:C36:AF27 (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
    As a related side note, it does not seem that the IP editor really cares to follow WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY in this instance. - Amigao (talk) 00:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Add to the above the following personal attack by Remsense on the article's talk page: . 2001:569:7FEA:2900:D124:450:C36:AF27 (talk) 20:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

    Additionally, when I notified Remsense with the appropriate user warning for this personal attack, they replied with get the hell off my page. This is a clear violation of WP:CIVILITY. Add it to the list. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:D124:450:C36:AF27 (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
    I would like to back up the complaint against Remsense here, as he also recently failed to assume good faith in edits I posted and attacked me personally as an editor. He then followed me and deleted another edit I had posted on an unrelated page afterward after I questioned his conduct on his talk page (which he then deleted.) I question whether his temperament is suitable to be a moderator on Misplaced Pages.
    MrJ567 (talk) 04:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    There is no such thing as a moderator on Misplaced Pages, Remsense is a Normal Editor like you and not an Admin Either. Untamed1910 (talk) 04:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you. I stand by my comments on his temperament and conduct regardless.
    MrJ567 (talk) 04:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    It is not reasonable to take someone's actions in good faith when they lie, both straightforwardly and by omission, in their representation of said actions to others. Remsense ‥  04:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    No one lied, I made what I felt was a minor edit. You then jumped to incorrect conclusions, insulted me after I criticized your uncivil and unprofessional conduct and then stocked my editing history to an unrelated article. Your conduct in my view continues to be as I described, and I continue to hold your temperament to be ill-suited for editing here. I ask that you show humility and engage in much needed introspection and improve yourself if you intend to continue posting here. MrJ567 (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    It was not a "minor clean up", and you know it. I don't have to pretend I don't also know it, so don't bother. FWIW I have Indiana on my watchlist, but you're not entitled to your contribution history being immune from scrutiny when one instance belies the clear possibility of more. That's why it's there. Remsense ‥  04:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    As I said, humility and introspection would serve you well, but I see no benefit in further interaction with you. Take care. MrJ567 (talk) 04:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Another way of stating this would be to say that you didn't follow the date format rules (why doesn't really matter), used misleading/uninformative edit summaries experienced editors have seen countless times before with BCE->BC and CE->AD transforms like 'Minor clean up' and 'Minor grammar cleanup', and Remsense left you an informative message to help you avoid repeating these kinds of errors. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    No violation Remsense smartly reverted his last revert, so 3RR has not been violated. However, this has not been Wikipedians at their best. The IP's observation that the cited source does not mention this has not been addressed; instead this edit war broke out over something entirely procedural which is not even policy. Further discussion should, I think, focus on the issue around the sourcing of "equitable" and whether that word should be cited in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 18:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Daniel Case: A violation did occur. That self-revert happened long after the violation was reported here at WP:AN3. You cannot exempt a user from punishment just because they self-reverted long after being reported to try to avoid said punishment. Furthermore, Remsense has committed the same violation before. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Blocks are not a punishment, but a way to end and prevent disruption. By self-reverting, they recognized they erred, meaning the risk of further disruption is low. If you wish to pursue a grievance against another user's alleged broad pattern of behavior, that's not done here, but at WP:AN. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    +1 Daniel Case (talk) 18:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @331dot: @Daniel Case: That's what punishment does: Deterrence. By letting Remsense get away with this violation, you're breaking your own rules and encouraging similar behavior in the future.
    Do you have any personal connection with Remsense? 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 21:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    It's funny this happened on Justice, given how frivolous and easily superseded this line of argumentation is. In cases as transparently explicable as this, unmediated claims of conspiracy truly are the last refuge of the scoundrel. Bless. Remsense ‥  21:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Remsense: Calling a user a "scoundrel" after you've already made several personal attacks? Not wise. There's already a case building up against you. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    It's a set phrase. I've indulged your repeated baiting of me more than enough at this point, so from now on please refrain from speaking to me unless you have something about site content you need to discuss. Thank you. Remsense ‥  19:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Remsense: Calling a user a "scoundrel" is a personal attack. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @331dot: @Daniel Case: To clarify, are you saying that if someone self-reverts long after being reported for a violation, they are exempt from any kind of consequence? 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Given you have safely proven yourself a scholar of counting to 4, I recommend the remainder of Misplaced Pages:Edit warring to expand your horizons even further. Remsense ‥  22:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    This wasn't really helpful. 331dot (talk) 22:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @331dot: Remsense has already made 3 personal attacks on this matter. Will you hold them accountable for that? Or will you let them get away with it, again? 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    I suggest that you move on from this matter. WP:DROPTHESTICK. I've already told you how you can pursue a grievance if that's something you really want to do. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    WP:DROPTHESTICK Ah, the classic last retort of someone who has no rebuttal and knows they're in the wrong. By the way, "DROPTHESTICK" isn't policy. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    I don't claim that it is. It's advice. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    I have nothing to say beyond what I already said. If you have evidence that they have truly not recognized their errors, or have a long pattern of behavior that requires evaluation and action by the community, AN is the proper forum. 331dot (talk) 22:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    And no, I have no connection with this user. 331dot (talk) 22:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    If you have evidence that they have truly not recognized their errors Remsense has already been blocked twice before for edit warring: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Remsense. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    Well, they're exempt from 3RR as 3RRNO clearly exempts reverts of your own reverts for exactly the reason 331dot mentioned. If there are other policies they have violated that might lead to a block, no, they're not off that hook. Daniel Case (talk) 04:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Daniel Case: Which point of 3RRNO do you claim absolves Remsense of this violation? Be specific. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    Daniel very clearly answered this already. 331dot (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @331dot: No, he didn't. Point 1 of WP:3RRNO means reverting yourself doesn't add to the 3RR count, not that it subtracts from it. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    That is the most common method of remedying a 3RR or 1RR violation, and is very common practice. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @ScottishFinnishRadish: So you admit a violation did occur. And "remedying" ≠ exempting. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    WP:WIKILAWYER. You really need to move on, this is becoming disruptive. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    Why do you want me to "move on" from pursuing fair enforcement of Misplaced Pages's policies? As an administrator, you should be careful with your words. 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    Wait until they find out that there is no policy definition of "revert". ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @ScottishFinnishRadish: What's the point of your comment? Instead of being cryptic, why don't you state it outright? 19:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    Policy pages are descriptive not proscriptive, and a lot of things are outright missing, e.g. the definition of what is forbidden by 3RR. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @ScottishFinnishRadish: Policy pages are... not proscriptive False. Read WP:3RR:
    An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. Violations of this rule often attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Fourth reverts just outside the 24-hour period will usually also be considered edit-warring, especially if repeated or combined with other edit-warring behavior. See below for exemptions.
    a lot of things are outright missing, e.g. the definition of what is forbidden by 3RR False. It's very clearly stated at WP:3RR. How is someone like you an administrator if you don't know this? 2001:569:7FEA:2900:8049:8F17:E1E:C306 (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    What is the policy definition of a revert? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    @ScottishFinnishRadish: WP:REV. Do I really need to take you on a tour of Misplaced Pages's policies and basic vocabulary? Aren't you an administrator? You should've already known this. 2605:8D80:5400:3F29:A8DC:F22C:78C3:6011 (talk) 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    As you said above, that's not a policy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    User:MapReader reported by User:Notwally (Result: Blocked from article for a week)

    Page: 1917 (2019 film) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: MapReader (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 10:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1265942060 by Notwally (talk) It's a long-standing descriptor that has been in the article since early 2020, not that long after the film was released, that has been discussed extensively at least twice. You challenge it by going to the talk page."
    2. 04:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1265836072 by Notwally (talk) The page carries the full discussion from 2020 and 2023, which includes reference to the relevant guidelines and the necessary citations. You don’t just wade in a year later and change the article without resuming the talk."
    3. 21:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1265821239 by Notwally (talk) There was no consensus for your removal, which referred to talk page discussions that didn’t exist, or at least weren’t contemporary"
    4. 14:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC) "Per RS, restoring the consensus position prior to the autumn edit"

    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    1. 10:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Three-revert rule on 1917 (2019 film)."

    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. 00:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC) on Talk:1917 (2019 film) "/* Country? */ r"

    Comments:

    There is no consensus for this inclusion that this editor has restored 4 times in the past day, despite multiple prior talk page discussions. – notwally (talk) 10:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    This editor has repeteadly endeavoured to force a change in an article that has twice been subject to lengthy prior discussion, ignoring all my requests for him to raise this on the talk page in the normal way. The diff he or she provides as an "attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page" is four and a half years old, and not from the same account name, and doesn't represent any attempt to resolve the issue since it was a contribution to a discussion that both left the article unchanged and has been superseded by a longer more recent one, in 2023, that established consensus. Pitching up four years later and trying to force a change after a discussion in which you took part - under a different account name - simply because you disagree with the outcome and without resuming the conversation or taking any account of a lengthy further discussion in which this editor apparently did not take part, is disruptive editing.
    MapReader (talk) 10:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    Blocked – for a period of one week from the article. This was a tough one to call. I thought seriously about declining it as all the discussion has been civil and it seems everyone is not only acting in good faith but reciprocally assuming it of the other parties (well, there is as of now only one on one side). Had I decided to decline, I would have done so on the basis of the edit being reverted to being rather old ... we have no policy guidance on how old that edit has to be; sometimes people here have cited year-old edits as the basis of their complaint. But at the same time I would commend MapReader's attention to WP:WEAKSILENCE: "... a lack of response to an edit does not necessarily imply community consent", contrary to what you suggest here.

    The underlying problem is, as IN notes here, is that this dispute falls neatly into a gap that FILMCOUNTRY fails to address, an issue as noted best resolved at the policy level. In the meantime, though, policy shortcomings cannot be allowed to justify edit wars, and in the meantime I read LOCALCONSENSUS as, by implication, deferring to the decision made here on the talk page.

    MapReader is acting in good faith when they point out the lack of clear guidance. All the same ... while they are correct again to note the deficiency of citing the 2020 discussion as a basis for consensus when the 2023 discussion exists, I read that 2023 discussion as, in the noted absence of clarity at the policy level, establishing a consensus for following FILMCOUNTRY and leaving the countries of production out of the lede entirely while noting them in the infobox. MapReader's good-faith skepticism about Lumiere's methodology notwithstanding, it does not give them the right to revert the current lede.

    Since, as it turned out, I have previously partially blocked MapReader before for similar conduct, and there has been an intervening sitewide block, I am doing it again, this time for longer. Daniel Case (talk) 19:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Thank you for the explanation. Just to be clear, the lead was stable between 2020 and late summer this year, 2024, on the basis of the 2020 and 2023 discussions. It was the other editor - who appears to have contributed briefly to the 2020 discussion but under a different username - who intervened to make a change late this summer, without revisiting the talk page at all, and after I restored the status quo, has attempted to force this through today without discussion. While I realise I made one revert too many, his/her gaming 3RR to force through an edit that runs contrary to previous discussion, and citing a four year old comment as evidence of being willing to talk about it, was having a laugh, IMHO. MapReader (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    Like I said, this is best addressed at the policy level. Daniel Case (talk) 18:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    User:Thesanas reported by User:CNMall41 (Result: Page full-protected for three days)

    Page: Pooja Hegde (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: Thesanas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 17:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "Restoring the last version by User:Charliehdb"
    2. 07:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1265915480 by CNMall41 (talk): WP:ONUS applies to those who adds contents. I only replaced with reliable sources. Please stop WP:EDITWAR here"

    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    1. 06:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring on Pooja Hegde."

    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. 06:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC) "/* GA article */"

    Comments:

    Additional warring is here and here. User erased previous warning from their talk page here and was warned numerous times about getting consensus on the talk page. Has been reverted by three different editors at this point but user still does not seem to get it. CNMall41 (talk) 00:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    I restored user:Charliehdb last edit . What is the mistake in restoring other users edits? I am here to expand and make this article with reliable sources. Why are you removing my edits with reliable sources and making this article with unreliable sources? Thesanas (talk) 02:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Pretty sure Charliehdb is a WP:MEAT. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Wouldn't surprise me but I am not sure I would get much reception at SPI at this point with as many filings I have done recently on Indian film related UPE, SOCKS, and MEAT.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    They obviously do not care about WP:ONUS and likely UPE based on the continued edit war. I will let them continue to bludgeon and just roll back once they are blocked. Not worth the stress of trying to clean up the page when they don't seem to want to work within a collaborative community. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Page protected in full for three days, since while the submitted diffs do not constitute a violation as there aren't enough, we clearly can't let this go on. With the allegations of socking and meating, this really should go to AN/I ... or SPI, CNMall's reservations notwithstanding. Daniel Case (talk) 18:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    User:Stevencocoboy reported by User:Fyunck(click) (Result: Declined)

    Page: United States men's national junior ice hockey team (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: Stevencocoboy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 05:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "/* IIHF World Junior Championship */ Hide it first because WP:HOCKEY"
    2. 05:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "Please stop the edit war, I want to edit and update result only"
    3. 05:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "Why? we can update the result which the events are finish"
    4. 05:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "/* IIHF World Junior Championship */"

    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:


    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. 05:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC) on User talk:Stevencocoboy "/* Respecting consensus of your fellow editors */ new section"

    Comments:

    Look at his person's talk page. They have been warned over and over and over. Just at US Figure Skating Template they must be 10x reverts. I didn't report that because he promised me on my talk page he would be better, but it hasn't stopped him. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    Sorry it's because I don't know a consensus in WP:HOCKEY. I'm not American and my english is poor. I don't know we can't update a result and we need until the event was completed. Also I need using some times to translate what is talking about. After I translate it, I'm stopped edit in the page. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 07:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Here's the thing... you have been warned of this many times on multiple subjects, and you've been editing here for 10 years now. I count that you have been warned 11x since September 2024... most of which you didn't answer on your talk page. In October you were told by an editor "Please ensure you are familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges." On December 24 I told you to "Self-revert or I WILL report you, and you will get blocked" for 8 reverts of Template:U.S. Figure Skating Championships. The same day I told you "You are also dangerously close to being blocked for your edits at "U.S. Figure Skating Championships." Yesterday a third editor told you to stop vandalizing "United States men's national ice hockey team". You were told about edit warring and to read up on consensus by editors at WP:Hockey. And then again a warning for "United States men's national junior ice hockey team".
    This has gone on long enough. For your own good you need to be blocked a couple days to think about things and you really should be doing one edit and then move on to another topic. As soon as another editor reverts your new edit that should be a huge red ringing warning not to edit that page again until given the go-ahead by other editors on the talk page. This has to stop NOW before your privilege of editing here gets revoked. I was stern with you on your talk page about your 8 reverts, but you stopped and we came to a compromise, and I did not report you. Since then your talk page has been filled by five more minor and major warnings. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    I can promise stop editing about ice hockey pages in recent days and calm down more because I've make a controversial. I'm sorry again. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 08:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Declined with leave to re-report if reported user breaks his promise above. Daniel Case (talk) 18:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks, that's good enough for me. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you very much. Stevencocoboy (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

    User:Atsee reported by User:Dora the Axe-plorer (Result: Indefinitely blocked)

    Page: Huaynaputina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: Atsee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 16:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1266205860 by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk) don't revert for no reason. If you disagree with my reasons for making an edit, you need to explain why."
    2. Consecutive edits made from 15:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC) to 15:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      1. 15:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1266201041 by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) first one doesn't need to be a footnote; second is not necessary; third is not relevant; fourth doesn't even make sense."
      2. 15:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1266205410 by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk) there is no citation where the fact tag has been placed. place the relevant citation there. that is all that needs doing."
    3. Consecutive edits made from 13:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC) to 13:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      1. 13:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "removed a lot of footnotes which are redundant. there is no need for a definition of a term when the term is linked."
      2. 13:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "doesn't need a dictionary link"
      3. 13:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "/* Caldera collapse */"

    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    1. 15:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "/* Your edits on Huaynaputina */ new section"

    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. 15:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "/* Footnotes */ Reply"

    Comments:

    Discussion at Talk:Huaynaputina#Footnotes, user repeatedly deleting footnotes without a valid reason on a Featured Article Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    This user clearly wanted an edit war. Witness their utterly unhelpful edit summaries in their three reverts:
    There was no need to file this report. There is discussion on the talk page. The user evidently wanted an edit war, and evidently wanted to make a fuss about it. Atsee (talk) 16:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    It took you multiple reverts before you actually even replied to the talk discussion, even after explaining in the FA and your talk pages, you continued to insinuate you are in the right. While the discussion was active, after Mike Christie's reply, you continued your reverts. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    I noticed the first revert didn't trigger the undo tag but the edit summary suggest a revert and subsequent changes before publishing. It would count to three reverts. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    User:36.228.143.128 reported by User:StephenMacky1 (Result: Declined)

    Page: Matriarchy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: 36.228.143.128 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 13:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ""
    2. 10:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ""
    3. 22:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC) ""
    4. 22:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC) ""

    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    1. 13:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring on Matriarchy."

    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:


    Comments:

    IP has persistently inserted extraordinary claims and violated the three-revert rule. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    Declined as user has not edited since the last warning they got ten hours ago (of course, if they resume ...). I will leave a CTOPS notice on the talk page. Daniel Case (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    User:Dustinscottc reported by User:Newimpartial (Result: Both users and an IP blocked from page for a week)

    Page: Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Dustinscottc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:


    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: The edit warring is a WP:1AM situation at an article Talk page, but I tried to explain the issue to the editor at my own Talk, here.

    Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:

    Comments:
    This editor has reverted 5 times already and shows no sign of stopping; the account is an WP:SPA and the editor is warring to obscure this on the article talk page that they are preoccupied with.

    They seem really determined to claim that they aren't an SPA, using the WP:SPATG "Editing timeline" section to claim the label doesn't count. But I see no other description for an account that hasn't edited since 2013 and, since reactivating recently, has only edited this one talk page outside of 3 edits earlier this year. Silverseren 00:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    “Users with a diversified edit history that indicates that the user became inactive for an extended period and then later re-established themselves with single-subject edits. Note that a time gap in edit history may be evidence that the person may have been referred to Misplaced Pages by an outside source (see WP:MEATPUPPET), but this is not evidence that the account is an SPA.”
    I don’t see how my situation doesn’t fall squarely into this definition of what is not SPA.
    It seems pretty clear that the SPA label was applied (by an anonymous user) to try to discredit me during an ongoing discussion on a talk page. What is the proper recourse to resolve that? What is the protocol to prevent other editors from inappropriately applying tags to my own comments? Dustinscottc (talk) 01:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    The topic of this filing is your edit-warring on that talk page. The question whether a handful of edits you made in 2009 and 2010 mean that you are not an WP:SPA in 2024-25 is, at best, to be discussed in another venue, as are the questions you are now asking about "recourse" for being "discredited". None of that would be a justification for making multiple reverts. Newimpartial (talk) 01:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    You’ve made your point—now I’m asking a question. You reverted my changes without justification. I’m now asking how to address unjustified edits to my own comments in the future.
    For what it’s worth, if whether or not I am in fact SPA is irrelevant, why did you bring it up in your report?
    Please do not respond unless you have an answer to that question Dustinscottc (talk) 02:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    To answer your question, I mentioned your SPA editing because it is relevant to whether you are here to build an encyclopaedia or not, which may affect how the community responds to your edit-warring behaviour.
    Also, templates following your comments are not considered edits to your own comments, and you should not seek to address them. Newimpartial (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Is repeatedly reverting the deletion of an editor’s SPA tag and then reporting that editor for edit warring helpful to building an encyclopedia? Or would it have been a better use of everyone’s time to simply say to yourself, “Maybe whether this user is SPA isn’t so clear, so I’ll just drop it”? Dustinscottc (talk) 03:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    As the person who tagged you as a SPA, in the last DECADE you have made (1) edit not about this topic. You should self revert and retag yourself. 107.115.5.100 (talk) 04:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    I’ve already cited the relevant guidance regarding returns from an extended absence. And for what it’s worth, I have made multiple other small fixes to articles without signing into my account. Dustinscottc (talk) 04:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Oof, read WP:LOUTSOCK. 107.115.5.100 (talk) 04:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Have you read it? WP:LOUTSOCK is only a problem when intended to deceive. Dustinscottc (talk) 04:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Can you name another area where you are engaged? 107.115.5.100 (talk) 04:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    In the past few days? None. I’ve spent all of my limited Misplaced Pages time trying to resolve one sentence. Assuming that resolves, I will likely continue to make minor edits to topics related to law, the Latter-day Saint movement, and Arizona.
    SPA isn’t a designation for accounts that are presently focused on one thing—it’s for accounts that appear to exist for one purpose. Dustinscottc (talk) 04:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    You've spent a DECADE focused on one talk page, you are a single purpose account. 107.115.5.100 (talk) 04:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    I’ve spent a decade focused on a subject that didn’t exist four years ago? Dustinscottc (talk) 04:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    So you were not actually editing? 107.115.5.100 (talk) 04:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Asked and answered. Dustinscottc (talk) 04:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Since I can’t seem to find a way to reply directly to the report, I will have to place this comment here.
    Looking through other actions, declining any action appears to be the most consistent approach. I have not reverted anything since the warning. I had not realized that 3RR applied to talk pages. The reversions were in response to apparently concerted efforts (given the timing of each reversion by different users) to prevent me from removing the (I believe, inappropriately) imposed SPA tags.
    I would appreciate some guidance on how to object to the SBA tags in situations like this. Dustinscottc (talk) 03:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    • An absolutely ridiculous Pblock just happened from Daniel Case, who is apparently trying to do a "ban everyone so an actual decision doesn't have to be made" action. So I don't think your decline is being listened to here, Bishonen. Silverseren 05:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
      Did it possibly occur to you that I might have been writing the long explanation for my action below and had no idea that while I was doing so Bishonen had decided to decline? Daniel Case (talk) 05:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Duly noted. Thank you. Dustinscottc (talk) 05:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Both editors blocked – for a period of a week from the page along with 107.115.5.100 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). My block of Dustin is with some regret; it is only because their reverts are not specifically allowed by WP:3RRNO and I do not feel comfortable invoking WP:IAR in this situation. I commend him for remaining civil and I understand why he did it. He is in my opinion entirely correct in pointing out that the language of WP:SPATG excludes his account from such tagging since their editing timeline shows edits to other articles in different areas, regardless of how long ago they were made (And to suggest that Dustin has edited nothing else "for the past decade" is meaningless and irrelevant, as COVID has only been around for a little over four years, so he couldn't possibly have edited anything COVID-related prior to that period).

    After the first such revert, the point (if we can say there was any) had been made and the tags should not have been restored. To continue to do so, especially recently as Dustin had not edited the talk page in any capacity, is schoolyard-level textbook harassment. To suggest that Dustin is a sock or meatpuppet purely on the basis of the long lacuna in their account history shows severe inability to assume good faith. To do this on the talk page of an article near the heart of a contentious topic area cannot go unsanctioned. If, indeed, there are any genuine concerns here, they should be taken to AN/I or SPI.

    And Silverseren you are better than that. Daniel Case (talk) 05:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    @Bishonen: I had no idea you were declining since I was writing the long explanation for my partial blocks below. If you would like to unblock go ahead. Daniel Case (talk) 05:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    I will leave it to you, Daniel, as I'm actually asleep, and just going back to bed - I don't want to make any delicate decisions at this point. But did you notice Dustin hadn't reverted since being warned? That was the reason I declined. You have blocked them specifically for "Violation of the three-revert rule" per the block log. You may want to change the block reason (or else unblock, I dunno). Bishonen | tålk 05:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC).
    As I wrote below, there had been four reverts, and while perhaps 3RRNO should allow an exception in this situation it presently does not. I don't feel that I'm in the best position at the moment to just declare a new exception. Daniel Case (talk) 05:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Why did I get a pblock? 107.115.5.100 (talk) 05:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    In particular, the reason you blocked me was that I made a personal attack. I'm cautious not to attack people, could you provide a diff of the personal attack I used that caused you to block me? If not, would you unblock me yourself? 107.115.5.100 (talk) 05:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Unfortunately the drop-down menu on the blocking page gives "personal attacks or harassment". I concede that you didn't engage in personal attacks, so I will put in a new entry that just says "harassmnent" Daniel Case (talk) 05:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Harassment? Would you provide diffs? I didn't harass anyone, even though I admit, I am an IP and that often means catching random blocks. 107.115.5.100 (talk) 07:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    You restored the tags on Dustin's edits six hours after he had last reverted them, tags that as I have said elsewhere (and as he noted more than once) were added to every iteration of his signature on the page in direct contradiction of guidance that says his account should not be considered an SPA. You had also done this earlier. Both of these times you did not indicate in your edit summary that you were doing this, much less why. It really seems hard to conclude anything but that you and Newimpartial were trying to run Dustin off the talk page.

    And by the way, your edits from this IP only go back a couple of days, yet you talk as if you have considerable experience that goes back some time. Daniel Case (talk) 07:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    No I didn't, another user readded them. I added them once was reverted and done. Please provide a diff of me readding them, or again, revert your block. 107.115.5.100 (talk) 07:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Also, my IP changes randomly. You can pay my internet service provider for a static IP if you want to. I will gladly take it. Please provide the diff of me readding those tags like you said happened though, because I'm pretty certain this is a hasty bad block, where you have confused my edit history with those involved in this report. I'm not mad, it's a confusing log and mistakes happen. 107.115.5.100 (talk) 07:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Please provide the diff of me readding those tags like you said happened. Right here. Daniel Case (talk) 08:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    especially recently as Dustin had not edited the talk page in any capacity This is utter nonsense. They have made 60 edits to said talk page in the past 3 days. Prior to that, they had 5 edits earlier this year (2 of which were to this same talk page) and then no edits since 2013. Returning after a long break to only edit a single talk page is absolutely SPA behavior. It is not an accusation of sock-puppetry or meat-puppetry, but a statement that the person on the account is now using it solely to push a single topic. In this case, a contentious political and scientific topic. Which is even more of a common SPA activity.
    Furthermore, your activation of ECP on the talk page fixes the problem anyways, so the Pblocks were unnecessary. ECP ensures that none of the new accounts (and some of the old ones with SPA activities like Dustin here) will be able to edit the page for the foreseeable future. Which is fine by me and sorely needed for that article. But it's funny, because it means the Pblock is pointless now. Until Dustin gets 400 more edits, at least.
    But, seriously, why are you using sockpuppetry as an argument whatsoever? No one here even made that claim or accusation in the first place. Silverseren 05:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    What I was referring to ws what you may have been unaware of ... in fact, reading over your response, it's a certainty that you were. Dustin's last edit on the talk page was to revert the tagging. It remained unreverted by anyone involved here for six hours ... until 107.115 came in and did it, apparently taking advantage of Dustin's decision to back off on any further edits to essentially kick him when down. Daniel Case (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    I did not put the talk page under ECP ... we very rarely do that, even in PIA articles. A review of the protection logs will easily confirm this if you don't believe me. The language of the CTOPS notice on the talk page, like all such notices, specifically and explicitly refers to the restrictions that apply to the associated article "The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to COVID-19, broadly construed, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article ...." Perhaps we should find a way for the template to mention any restrictions that apply to the talk page. But that's not the issue here. Daniel Case (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    See here. Daniel Case (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    A 5RR revert to the version you wanted is not "backing off", it is achieving the version you wanted without needing to make any further changes. You seem to be attributing certain beliefs on the part of 107.115's revert that isn't founded in actual evidence.
    I don't see how pointing out after Dustin admitted to editing while logged out that doing so on any related articles would be a violation of WP:LOUTSOCK. That is not accusing this current account of being a sockpuppet. Those are two different things. That was just a reminder to them that logged out editing when one does has an account should be avoided, for multiple reasons. Dustin prompted that mention because of the admission they made here on having such editing activity in between logged in times.
    Again, this seems to be you making massive assumptions that aren't represented by anyone's editing, not to mention openly ignoring very blatant SPA activities. Silverseren 05:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    "The version you wanted"? Hello ... Earth to McFly ... Hello? We are, firstly, not talking about editorial content in an article. We are talking about an edit on a talk page. Specifically, we are talking about a pejorative tag repeatedly applied to an editor's edits. On the talk page for an article in a contentious topic area, where the banner at the top of the page reminds editors to be on their best behavior. This was not something readers were going to go to to look for information on the topic. And especially since I consider the constant restoration of the tags to have been harassment that was not legitimate editorial activity, I see this as the sort of thing that should not have been the subject of an edit war. If ever there was a stick that should have been dropped, it was this. Daniel Case (talk) 06:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    That was just a reminder to them that logged out editing when one does has an account should be avoided, for multiple reasons. I would believe that but for the context. Not all editing done while logged out necessarily falls under LOUTSOCK, even that done while knowingly logged out. LOUTSOCK is specific to " Editing under multiple IP addresses, or editing under both a named account and as an IP, when done deceptively or otherwise violating the principles of this policy" To be fair, I would not have made that admission if I were Dustin as there was no reason for him to unless he was trying to be scrupulously honest, and I wish for the sake of this discussion that he had not, but ... if he is not anonymously editing any of the articles he edits with his account, or any related to them, he is not technically violating policy. For 107.115 to have made the leap from that admission to an accusation that implies deceptive misuse is, well, a leap of failure to assume good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 06:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Again, this seems to be you making massive assumptions that aren't represented by anyone's editing I disagree, to put it mildly, especially when that accusation is far truer of two of the blocked editors. As for the "SPA activities", neither you nor they ever explained why you do not think that Dustin's invocation of the language in WP:SPATG that directly addresses his situation ("Examples of users whose edits should not be labeled as being those of an SPA include the following: Users with a diversified edit history that indicates that the user became inactive for an extended period and then later re-established themselves with single-subject edits. Note that a time gap in edit history may be evidence that the person may have been referred to Misplaced Pages by an outside source (see WP:MEATPUPPET), but this is not evidence that the account is an SPA.") is apposite. In fact, every time he brought that up you and/or the other two acted like it had gone completely over your heads. Daniel Case (talk) 06:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Please stop splitting up my singular comment with multiple comments of yours. I have compiled them again, in order.
    Are you seriously claiming the use of the SPA tag is itself pejorative? It is a commonly used tag in AfDs and RfCs in general, all across Misplaced Pages. It is routinely used to tag accounts that solely edit the article or discussion in question and in particular if they have been making excessive comments in that discussion (ie 50 comments in 3 days).
    Not all editing while logged out would violate LOUTSOCK, but do you really think an account that only edits a single talk page after returning would have edits entirely outside of that area when logged out? It's precisely an area of concern to have after such an admission of editing practices. There have been multiple IP address responders showing up on that talk page over the past two months, so it seems both relevant and prudent after such an admission to warn about such possible activity when logged in and out.
    Please, Daniel, explain how 10 edits from 2009-2013 counts as a "diversified edit history". Practically any long-term editor familiar with SPAs on Misplaced Pages would call that duck a duck and multiple people directly have above in this very section and elsewhere. Silverseren 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Please stop splitting up my singular comment with multiple comments of yours. I have compiled them again, in order. Are you seriously claiming the use of the SPA tag is itself pejorative? The real question is why you would even think that. Are you honestly asking us to suppose that WP:SPATG was written just as some meaningless exercise? Why would we write guidelines about when not to use it if we didn't want it to be an accusation cast around lightly? Yes, sometimes it's true ... I have blocked quite a few accounts as SPAs (but more on that later) But, to turn around a Latin phrase I commonly use, a widespread legitimate use in no way makes it impossible to use something abusively. I should have thought that it was easy to understand that by "pejorative", I meant in this context.

    Consider also that the {{alert/first}} template has the legitimate use of letting newer users, both IPs and registered accounts, know that their editing in contentious topic areas has drawn some attention, and that they should check themselves before they wreck themselves. It is broadly useful. But at the same time we warn editors against alerting someone about a contentious topic who has already been so advised, and doing that enough can be considered a blockable offense. We also have, of course, the "don't template the regulars" page.

    It is a commonly used tag in AfDs and RfCs in general, all across Misplaced Pages. As are the ones I've already mentioned. That widespread use does not mean they can't be misused or abused, as they were in this situation. It is routinely used to tag accounts that solely edit the article or discussion in question and in particular if they have been making excessive comments in that discussion (ie 50 comments in 3 days). In my experience, slightly longer than yours here I think, that is not so routine. Really, before the present episode, I hadn't seen it used on talk pages much. I actually saw it used much more often in the old days, most frequently in AfDs, often where it was likely (or known) that people had been solicited on other websites to go vote in the AfD.

    And think about just what level of use you're implying and what effect that would have on users. Don't many new editors come in and edit just one article getting their feet wet? Do we usually not just indulge them in this process? Would it not be sort of BITE-y if we "routinely" tagged them as SPAs?

    Also from my lengthy experience, the SPA tag has largely been used not just when an editor has been editing only one article or a small set of closely related ones, but when they seem to be doing so in the service of some agenda. As SPA notes, "many single-purpose accounts turn out to be well-intentioned editors with a niche interest". Maybe that's what Dustin is? Other than his minority viewpoint in the talk discussions, are you prepared to identify some agenda or interest with an ulterior motive you believe Dustin to be acting on behalf of?

    And, really, we often used it when an editor was also being disruptive. In this case, could you identify some other way in which Dustin was being disruptive? (I know, he has been warned about bludgeoning the debate, but not to the level that it appeared people were ready to ask for a block).

    Basically, what interest of Misplaced Pages was served by repeatedly tagging his account as an SPA in sigs? In talk page discussions? As Dustin noted, he has nowhere near the edit count necessary to edit that article, so there's no threat of disruption to it, at least not from him. And he was outnumbered in that discussion and not likely to carry that day anyway. Just what was so urgent that you had to make sure anyone reading the talk page knew he was believed to be an SPA?

    Not all editing while logged out would violate LOUTSOCK, but do you really think an account that only edits a single talk page after returning would have edits entirely outside of that area when logged out? If you have diffs that you suspect of having been Dustin as an IP editing in support of his position, then now's the time to share them. Otherwise, your argument sounds paranoid. There have been multiple IP address responders showing up on that talk page over the past two months. If they have been disruptive, I think a request for semi-protecting that page, given that it's already the talk page for an article that's under indefinite ECP due to CTOPS status, would be looked upon favorably at RFPP. Targeting a specific autoconfirmed user doesn't seem like the best way to address that problem, if it is a problem.

    Please, Daniel, explain how 10 edits from 2009-2013 counts as a "diversified edit history". Hmm ... in English usage "diversified" doesn't have as much to do with the absolute number of items described, so much as how different they are from each other. Granted, with a low number, it's a little hard to make that call. But here we have 14 edits during that time period, and they include some edits to political subjects, some religious ones, one TV show, a town and a school. Those edits seem diverse to me.

    I would also note that since I blocked him from the article talk page, Dustin has gone and made an edit to Talk:Mesa, Arizona ... hardly the choice one would expect of some single-purpose edit warrior focused on the COVID lab-leak theory. Daniel Case (talk) 08:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    Just to add, as a bemused watcher of that page: the SPA tag was added first to their !vote in an RfC. You can make a case that this was legitimate, because the purpose of the tag is to indicate to a closer of the discussion that the !vote was cast by someone who has not edited widely elsewhere and may or may not be canvassed to the discussion. It is up to the closer to decide what to do with that information. But it is informational. Once. Dustin went on to write a lot, and yes, they did get carried away, and warnings about bludgeoning were rightly given. But we have just noted that they have limited experience on Misplaced Pages, so to tag every single one of their comments looks pretty WP:BITEy from where I am sitting. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    User:49.36.235.180 reported by User:ZimZalaBim (Result: Blocked 2 weeks)

    Page: List of nicknames of prime ministers of India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: 49.36.235.180 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 18:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Narendra Modi */Again not a nickname just a term used by opposition to demean not by everyone as a nickname."
    2. 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "What do you consider a correct source according to you?"
    3. 17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Narendra Modi */Then how can this a source of nickname it's just a opinion of someone for gaining votes and demeaning opposition party."
    4. Consecutive edits made from 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC) to 17:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
      1. 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "Correct and same type source as you have recently republished"
      2. 17:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC) ""
    5. 17:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC) ""
    6. 17:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Narendra Modi */Not a nickname just a disrespectful term used by some dirty politics doings politicians bad mouthing publicly to gain attention over their pity self career ."
    7. 17:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Narendra Modi */"

    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    1. 17:31, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "Caution: Removal of content, blanking on List of nicknames of prime ministers of India."
    2. 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "Welcome to Misplaced Pages!"
    3. 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* List of nicknames of prime ministers of India */ new section"
    4. 18:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* List of nicknames of prime ministers of India */"
    5. 18:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* List of nicknames of prime ministers of India */ discuss please"

    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* "Maun Mohan" */ new section"
    2. 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC) "/* "Maun Mohan" */ coment"

    Comments:

    I've warned, engaged, started talk discussion, and I'm burnt out. Need someone else to look so I don't engage in 3RR myself. ZimZalaBim 04:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    Blocked – for a period of 2 weeks Daniel Case (talk) 05:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    User:174.196.104.11 reported by User:Wowzers122 (Result: /23 blocked from both articles for a week)

    Page: 2024 United States presidential election in Kentucky (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Letcher County, Kentucky (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: 174.196.104.11 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. - Dec 31 "these are the correct results according to Dave Leips"
    2. - Dec 31 "Per source of Dave Leips"
    3. - Jan 1 "These are the correct results per Dave Leip’s. Don’t undo this edit again."
    4. - Jan 1
    5. - Jan 1 "these are the correct results per Dave Leip’s. Don’t undo this edit again."
    6. - Jan 1 "per source of Dave Leip’s"
    7. - Jan 1 "These are the correct results per source of Dave Leip’s"

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:

    Comments:
    All the differences on both pages concern whether to use the numbers from a website called Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections (which cites the Kentucky State Board of Elections as its data source) or the Official 2024 General Election Results provided by the Kentucky State Board of Elections. The number for "other" votes on the page before the edit warring was 126 for Letcher County (per election board), which the IP insists on changing to 146 (per Dave Leip).

    I should also note that @Mad Mismagius: reverted all but one and the current IP edits on these pages without warning the user or attempting to engage in talk page discussion. I made one revert and left a warning on the user's talk page, who later reverted my revert.

    Also, there are two other IPs (now dormant) that made identical edits on these pages with similar edit summaries. One on Dec 27 "Correct Letcher County votes" and another on Dec 29 "these are the correct results according to Dave Leips". Wowzers122 (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    Blocked – for a period of a week 174.196.104.0/23 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log) from articles. Daniel Case (talk) 06:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    User:2804:3D5C:B300:7B0:540A:406B:F7AF:C17D reported by User:Btspurplegalaxy (Result: Blocked one week)

    Page: List of Squid Game characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

    User being reported: 2804:3D5C:B300:7B0:540A:406B:F7AF:C17D (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:


    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    1. 12:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC) "Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material (UV 0.1.6)"
    2. 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC) "Caution: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material (UV 0.1.6)"
    3. 12:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC) "Warning: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material (UV 0.1.6)"

    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:


    Comments:

    False. You did vandalize the same text multiple times using as excuse lack of sources (not anyone's fault you tried to edit a page without watching the respective show and made a fan-canon where the show's actitons never happened) when there are 0 sources on the entirety of the discussed character as the information used is from visual/audio information from the 4th episode. I asked you to stop in my IP talk page, in your talk page, and on the page's talk page, and you refused, instead you vandalized over and over again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:3D5C:B300:7B0:540A:406B:F7AF:C17D (talk) 12:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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