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			== Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2023 ==
	== wow ==

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	This article is full of propaganda, which is a standard in Wiki nowadays, but this is over the top:
			Small grammar edit for the SU-25TM variant paragraph. "the container under fuselage" should be changed to " the container under the fuselage" ] (]) 23:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
	"According to reports of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights the pilot ejected safely but was shot and killed on the ground after firing on rebel soldiers with his pistol."
			:Thanks for your note. I changed it to "in an under fuselage container" as I thought that was an improvement. I hope that suits? - ] (]) 23:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
	The author probably wants to imply that the pilot's death was justified, because he shot at the terrorists first, right? Anybody who saw the videos from the terrorist themselves would know that they shot at him whilst he was still descending under the chute, so would you (whoever "owns" this article - probably some paid propaganda troll) mind rephrasing that nonsense to something more factual? Thank you so much! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small>
			::Thank you! ] (]) 21:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

			==Frogfoot==
	:The cited says: "A Syrian militant in the area told The Associated Press that the pilot was shot and killed when he resisted capture by opening fire from his pistol on the militants who tried to seize him alive." The says in translation: "The pilot parachuted and shot dead after landing." So the current text reflects what the refs say. We can change what the entry says, but you need to provide a ref. - ] (]) 15:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
			Why this reporting name, and what is a frogfoot? Foot of a frog? Thank you, ] (]) 05:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

			:OK, I did a li'l bit of research. The initial F stands for Fighter or Fighter/Attack, and the word itself is a two-syllable neologism.
	Pilot was not killed by rebels, Pilot was fighting against rebels on the ground, but later blow himself up with grenade to avoid capture.
			:Also, quote: ''"Frogfoot," the reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-25, references the aircraft's close air support role.'' ] (]) 07:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/05/russia-rains-retaliatory-strikes-rebel-held-idlib-jet-downed/
	https://nypost.com/2018/02/05/russian-pilot-blows-himself-up-to-avoid-capture-from-jihadists/ <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Okay thanks for finding that, I will add it. - ] (]) 23:48, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Small grammar edit for the SU-25TM variant paragraph. "the container under fuselage" should be changed to " the container under the fuselage" Largelizard (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I changed it to "in an under fuselage container" as I thought that was an improvement. I hope that suits? - Ahunt (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Largelizard (talk) 21:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Frogfoot

Why this reporting name, and what is a frogfoot? Foot of a frog? Thank you, Maikel (talk) 05:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, I did a li'l bit of research. The initial F stands for Fighter or Fighter/Attack, and the word itself is a two-syllable neologism.

Also, quote: "Frogfoot," the reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-25, references the aircraft's close air support role. Maikel (talk) 07:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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