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== Sources == |
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==Discussion now archived== |
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Previous discussion has now archived as page grew beyond guideline size, see ]. |
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*a) Would contributors please follow WIkipedia convention and always place new discussion points at the bottom of page. Use the + sign above if in doubt. |
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*b) Would new contributors please learn a little bit about Wiki formatting, signing and dating your contributions. Failure to do so makes it very hard for other to follow or to fulfil admin tasks. See, ] and especially, ]. If you are having difficulties, go find an admin to help you and have a play in the ] first. |
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*c) NPA tags belong on user's pages not discussion pages. |
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Thank you. ] 20:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC) |
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==Requests for mediation== |
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The sources have been provided time and time and your attentions have been drawn to them on many occasions. Please read over the discussion archive and check the references given on the topic page, the quotation is verbatim. |
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Please cut any pretense at what you people are doing, you are going to attempt ignore anything that does not conform to your POV whether it is referenced or not. You are playing blind to what has been provided. |
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'''I have put into for a "Request for Mediation" until we can resolve the issue of whether the institution's own published material and scriptures can be used as references. I argue that, of course, they can.''' |
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See here; |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University |
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: Thanks. ] 20:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC) |
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: Dear .244, Please Make sure you understand this policy: |
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:http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_and_dubious_sources_in_articles_about_themselves. It means that if you are not a BK writing this article, this policy does not apply to you. You .244; you are not a BK. Your aim is not to inform the public with researched information but rather to discredit Brahma Kumaris. One more time, please make sure you understand this clearly. As always, best wishes for you. ] 20:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:: The organizations own published material including teaching aids and scriptures are perfectly adequate sources for inclusion. |
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:: What ever, the '''Request for Mediation''' has been put in. Please waiting until matters are resolved by third party involvement. If you persist in making yourrevesion, I will report you for 3RR. I have left warnings on your user pages. ] 20:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC) |
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Dear .244, the same 3RR holds true for you. So, be careful.. or I will report you. Best, ] 00:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC) avyakt7 |
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== BKWSU as dangerous Sect - citation == |
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In November 1995, the German Embassy in Moscow issued a verbal note to the Russian foreign minister listing a number of "youth sects" which "represent dangers because their hierarchial, authoritarian structure often contradicts the commonly accepted democratic values: ... and because their underlying ideology and the claims to the absolute truth of their convictions about `the path to salvation' tempt people and fully captivate those who seek changes and new landmarks .... " The following groups are mentioned in this document: Brahma Kumaris, The Family, Iskcon, Scientology, Shri Chinmoy, Transcendental Meditation, The Unification Church, and some others in Missionerskoe Obozrenie, March 1996, N3, 8. Significantly, the note was published by the Missionary Foundation of the Russian Orthodox Church. |
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'''Citation''' : Marat Shterin, James Richardson, and Eileen Barker, "The Western Anti-Cult Movement in Russia," |
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==.244 continues his discrediting campaign against BK== |
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Dear .244, I wonder sometimes if you ever wrote a term paper? I mean, academia stuff, that sort of thing which is needed here. |
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What you added maliciously up there is not the complete truth. You see, you need the link: Here is the link to it: |
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http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=96&Itemid=41 |
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=== No === |
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Also, let me add the first part of that article by James Richardson for our avid readers to be informed about... |
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(including the admins who will "soon" come after reverting the first paragraph a couple more times...you have no "reliable source" of what you write, so why it should be there while we wait?) |
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* Anything published by {{tq|brahmakumaris.org}} or {{tq|Om Mandali, Pharmacy Printing Press}} or {{tq|B.K. Raja Yoga Center for the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University}} ought to be treated as flatly unreliable. |
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"Russia's 1990 Law on Freedom of Religion constitutionally protected the free practice and state tolerance of religion but the law has inadvertently restricted many religious freedoms and exposed disturbing realities of Russian political processes. Provincial politicians and the Russian Orthodox Church feared the influence of new religions. Thus, outside of the major cities local laws have denied the Russian constitution and without official reprisal have banned many religious practices in these provincial regions." |
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* ], again, ought to be treated as flatly unreliable. She had no academic expertise whatsoever and as far as I remember, what prompted her very-apolegetic portrayal of the movement was her husband veering away with the BKs into celibacy. |
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Now, you see why they call them sects, cults and all those names which you are very fond of? |
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=== Meh === |
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Can we trust you? Best, ] 00:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC) avyakt7 |
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* Encyclopedia entries —— be it the Routledge Encyclopedia of New Religious Movements ''or'' else — ought to be sparingly used. |
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: As you well know, from the Brahmin point of view, based straight references to the Murlis and BKWSU publications you know I am 100% correct and it is you that are attempting to distort the truth based on ] attacks. What you are writing is entirely contrary to what you believe and Shiva Baba says. I wish you would just get over it and working on adding the positive side and that which you can from your position within the BKWSU, e.g. document the charitable giving. |
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* Whaling's ''Understanding the Brahma Kumaris'' (Dunedin University Press; 2012) is a primer aimed at undergraduates. A merrily sympathetic treatment, in what is one of the two academic monographs on the subject, it is . |
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* ] and Tomlinson are anthropologists by training; the latter, particularly of practiced religion. So, I have not much qualms with using ''Brahma Kumaris: Purity and the Globalization of Faith'' (Springer; 2012) but we ought not depend on it for reconstructing the curious history of Brahmakumaris (BK). |
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* ]'s thesis from Monash University. |
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=== Yes === |
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''': According to the UK charity Commission, the BKWSU was set up to alleviate poverty. Can we please document how much poverty in 30 odd years? Accounts speak much more surely than academics. From my reading, it appears that they have alleviated no one else's poverty expect for their own.''' |
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* Publications by John Walliss, esp. ''The Brahma Kumaris as a Reflexive Tradition: Responding to Late Modernity'' (Motilal Banarsidass; 2007). |
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: What you are demonstrating to the world is the face of a BK teacher/recruiter/BK IT team trying to cover things up and it is all being document here. Please bear in mind with your edits that the topic should also be clean and read well. its not a point scoring exercise. Thanks. ] 04:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
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* Prem Chowdhury's masterly ''Marriage, Sexuality and the Female 'Ascetic': Understanding a Hindu Sect'' (EPW; 1996). |
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* Publications by Lawrence A. Babb. |
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* Ramsay's article in ''Handbook of Hinduism in Europe''. |
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] (]) 08:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC) |
