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==Wladyslaw Bartoszewski== |
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==In favor== |
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A great summary of Żegota's achievements during WW II. ''<small> The preceding ] comment was added by ] on 14 April 2004.</small>'' |
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==Pronunciation of name== |
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please change ((Wladyslaw Bartoszewski)) to ((Władysław Bartoszewski)) ] (]) 17:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC) |
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How does one pronouce "Zegota"? Long 'e'? Just curious. --] 20:25, 18 May 2004 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> I think that should do it. ] (]) 19:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:You know, for Poles there is no difference between long and short 'e', at least for me - i was never quite able to grasp it. :-D ] 08:10, 19 May 2004 (UTC) |
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] section should be split into such a list. Category component is ]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 06:49, 9 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:The long e is still there, although covered by the grammatical accent. Anyway, I added the ] pronounciation key. Hope you like it. ]] 03:00, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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== Mention Irena Sendler? == |
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What syllable is the accent on? --] 18:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:The second; the last syllable is unstressed. ''-- ] 00:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)'' |
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Should the page mention Irena Sendler? The Czech page does. I know of Żegota only through the story of Irena, which may suggest she wa would qualify as a prominent activist. ] (]) 20:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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OK. The dot over the "z" makes it something like the "z" in "azure," or the "j" in the French "jour." The "e" is as in the English "bet." The "o" is open (short) as in "got," not as in "oh." The "a" is open. And in Polish, one almost always accents the penultimate (i.e. next to last) syllable (in words of more than one syllable). So it's "zhe-GO-ta." ] 13:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza |
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==Clarification: "...under its care"== |
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Who is meant by this, Jews?: ''had 180 persons under its care within a short time''. Or did the author mean to say this?: "soon had 180 helpers at its disposal" --] 18:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Difficulties hiding Jews == |
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The article says, "A difficult problem therefore was to find hiding places for persons who looked Jewish." It would be good to elaborate on this with two points. With men and boys, it was easy for the Nazi occupiers to check, since Jewish men and boys would have been circumcized and non-Jewish Poles would not. Also, I understand that there were Jews living in Poland at the time who were so lived so completely in the Jewish community that they spoke only Yiddish and could not speak Polish; they could not be passed off as non-Jewish Poles. ] 13:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza |
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== Polish feminine surnames == |
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The author is writing: |
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:e mentioned theatre artist Prof. Maria Grzegorzewski, psychologist Irena Solski, Janina Buchholtz-Bukolski*, educator Irena Sawicki*, scouting activist Dr. Ewa Rybicki, school principal Irena Kurowski, Prof. Stanislaw Ossowski and Prof. Maria Ossowski, zoo director Dr. Jan Zabinski* and his wife Antonina*, a writer, the unforgettable director of children's theatres Stefania Sempolowski, Jan Wesolowski*, Sylwia Rzeczycki*, Maria Laski, Maria Derwisz-Parnowska. |
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unless these ladies, from Prof. 'Grzegorzewski' onwards, were Americans with Polish ancestors, which they were not, afaik, their names must be given in their Polish forms, i. e., GrzegorzewskA, SolskA, Buchholtz-BukolskA, SawickA, RybickA, KurowskA, (Maria) OssowskA, Sempolowska (or rather: Sempołowska), RzeczyckA, LaskA. Strangely enough, the author quotes the last surname, Derwisz-Parnowska, in the correct form. Their husbands, brothers (if any) and father were called 'GrzegorzewskI', 'SolskI' --- they were not. -A, not -I. This is the law in Polish. ] (]) 14:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC) Wojciech Żełaniec |
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I found a few of the names in sprawiedliwi.org.pl, so I changed them to -ska. I'm assuming savingjews.org (the quoted source) was wrong in quoting the names. I can't imagine all these women would have opted for the male form of the -ski name. I have met with women bearing the -ski names, but rather for less usual names: Biały, Jasny. I could not, however, find Ms. Laski in any source, so I left it unchanged. ] (]) 19:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Wrong conclusion == |
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"Over 700 Polish heroes, murdered by Germans as a result of helping and sheltering their Jewish neighbors, were posthumously awarded the title Righteous Among the Nations; given the alleged involvement of over 200,000 Poles in the precarious underground hidings provided to Jews, this indicates that the death penalty was used as a deterrent rather than as a frequently executed punishment. They were only a small percentage of thousands of Poles reportedly executed by the Nazis for aiding Jews." |
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The reason why there is such a small number of executed people recognised as Rightous is because the Jews they were hiding died along with them, so there are no Jewish witnesses. In my family's hometown three families were executed for hiding Jews and none of these people is recognised as Righteous. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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"''More specific estimates indicate that some 100,000 to 300,000 Poles met Yad Vashem’s criteria, having been directly engaged in rescuing Jews despite the threat of death, which did deter others''" |
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Total nonsense this and all the other guessings about Poles involved in saving Jews. |
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If 100 - 300.000 Poles would met YV criterias there would not be 6.706 Polish Righteous but at least 100.000. Meeting criterias means providing evidence for those acts, not only "I heared my grandmother/grandmother saved Jews"! No evidence = no Righteous, easy as such. However, there are even Poles who "saved" Jews by including them in the family and instead to hide them he let them work on his farm in bright daylight! Noz long as another Pole became aware about and informed the German authorities. As result all Jews were killed as the Pole with his family. And this Polish farmer&family incl. small children were considered "saviour of the Jews " while the father caused in reallity the death of all persons! |
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BTW, as the Poles are allways showing off with their big number of Righteous: 35000 000 Polish inhabitants (during WWII) and only 6706 Righteous makes exactly 0.019 Percent. O.019% of the Polish population was able to provide enough evidence to be considered as Righteous, the other guessed "saviors" not. That speaks for itself. |
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] (]) 12:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC) |
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== Photoshopped Image == |
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The guy standing in the right of the image has clearly been photoshopped in. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Why? By what indications can we conclude this? --] (]) 15:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC) ] (]) 15:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC) |
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== Anna Poray - SPS == |
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{{ping|GizzyCatBella|Poeticbent}} Any policy based justification for reverting back in a ] source? Such sources, per policy, are not suitable, failing V. Also note, that though unlikely (due to the subjects' age) - unless you verified via RS that all those named are dead, there is a BLP issue here - as per ] we assume anyone younger than 115 (1903 birth year is alive).] (]) 17:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC) |
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* User Icewhiz, you are ] — Please stop assuming that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it... Anna Poray is not a WP:SPS publishing historian because she is deceased. Your kind of disruptive editing makes me physically sick. Sorry to say that, ''']''' ] 23:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:: Poray self published the book prior to being deceased - her death does not make a self published work published.] (]) 04:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:::What is your point about self-publishing? There have been many non-self-published books that have been worthless. ] (]) 07:28, 15 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: I don't know myself what Icewhiz's is talking about often times and what is his point, I'm forcing myself to read those massive walls of text and I was wondering if that was only me...] (]) 07:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Should the page mention Irena Sendler? The Czech page does. I know of Żegota only through the story of Irena, which may suggest she wa would qualify as a prominent activist. Sferencik (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Done I think that should do it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)