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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2023 ==
I have ] the old Talk page for two reasons:


{{edit semi-protected|Belgaum|answered=yes}}
# It was huge (125 kb+)
1. Wiki header should be changed to " Belagavi" and article informatio. should contain the unofficial name or old name Belagaum inside the article . It seems to be the other way round.
# It really had nothing in it that contributed towards the improvement of the article.
2. More edit requests will follow once the first one is rectified. ] (]) 14:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> see ] ] <small><code>]]</code></small> 16:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


== Requested move 12 March 2023 ==
Let's use this space from now on to discuss factual improvement of the article, and not indulge in politics or speculation.


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For starters, I think this article needs some updates to information related to Belgaum
:''The following is a closed discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a ] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.''
* Connections (air, rail, broad, bus)
* Rise of importance as an "education city"


The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' Consensus is that Belgaum is still the ] at this time. <small>(])</small> ] (] • ]) 19:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
and let's try and clean out political commentary and editorialization.
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Let's make this a great article!

] 04:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Make sure to keep its ] intact.Glorification of either side's stand will lead to conflict.Thanks.
] 04:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

== Recent Developments ==

I would like to recommend that the section "Recent developments" be removed or extensively edited to be more concise. It is the largest section in the article and reduces the readability and interest-worthiness of the article, by introducing needless detail and analysis, none of which add value to the article. This is really not a cricket match where we have to report ball by ball. :)

I would suggest removal of this section, and updating the previous section ("Border problems") with only a ''few'' lines about the current developments, with links for further off-site reading.

I volunteer to do this if the suggestion is acceptable.

This suggestion is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation of any viewpoint - I am concerned about the readability of the article and the value it offers to readers.

] 05:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I have created ] to replace the current text. I have tried to keep it as neutral as possible. Non-political comments are invited. Please note that Misplaced Pages is neither a newspaper nor a repository for future information, and does not chronicle ''every'' fact in existence. We should use links to off-site information to avoid distracting readers from the main article.

] 06:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Since there haven't been any objections, I am replacing the above sections with the contents of my draft.

I would again remind everyone that this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or a political propaganda vehicle. The idea behind this rewrite was to depoliticise the overall article, and I am going to be pretty ruthless about enforcing this. Belgaum's page on Misplaced Pages deserves better than being an unreadable collection of political statements by rivalling factions. Worst case situation, I will propose a "Belgaum Border Dispute" article, move the border dispute issues to that article, and link to it from the main Belgaum article.

] 07:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted to the admin's version.I had urged u to keep the NPOV intact and include all details about Maharashtra's stand which was in the old version.It seems u have not read the old version properly.Centre has cancelled his anti-Maha stand long before.There was too much emphasis on Karnataka assembly in ur version.I request u to brief the existing matter rather than reword it.Maharashtra's stand also be given importance as karnataka's.] 09:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I can see that we are going to have a battle on our hands unless you accept the fact that this is an '''encyclopedia''', and that this is an article about the city of Belgaum, not about interstate politics.

You are doing exactly the thing that you are accusing others of doing - you are flooding this article with completely irrelevant political details and propaganada, all of it Maharashtrian. Can you count how many times you refer to to Maharashtra in that section, '''maha'''wiki? I '''am''' a Maharashtrian, but I care more for the effectiveness of an article about my hometown than politics. That section you are protecting there is ugly, meaningless, distracting and completely irrelevant to the city of Belgaum. If you want that text to remain on Misplaced Pages, please move it to an article named ], and we can link to that from the Belgaum article.

Would you like to take this to arbitration?

] 11:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, 31% of the article is dominated by the border dispute text, which is also extremely badly written and has no precedent on Misplaced Pages. And I am not saying that the border dispute does not exist - I am saying that it doesnt belong into an article about a city that has a lot more to offer than politics. According to me (as a person ''actually'' from Belgaum), this entire border dispute text should be made a separate article.

In addition, you have wiped out all other edits from the article, including my work in other sections such as on educational institutions.

] 12:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear achitnis,
I appreciate ur views.For god's sake dont threaten me about arbitration etc as I have gone beyond it.U say there's many mentions of Maharashtra here,dont u see the Kannada POV pushing in other articles.I mean see the archived talk.I am sick of POVs.I request u to keep the border dispute section '''BRIEF''','''BALANCED''' AND '''NEUTRAL'''.
I dont want to push Maharashtra's POV here.So i request to go through the old Border dispute article,summarise it and make sure u keep it neutral and balanced.I have no intentions of pushing Maharashtra's POV.Of course u can make a new article outta it.
] 12:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

:You have gone "beyond arbitration"? :) Could you show me where? If you can show me that you have had this article in arbitration and were successful, I will back off. If not, I am afraid I will not change my stand about this matter.
: Just out of curiosity - where in Belgaum do you actually live? I am from Anagol/Bhagyanagar.
: ] 13:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki says "U say there's many mentions of Maharashtra here,"! his/her english grammar/spellings are below the standards expected at wikipedia. Regardless of which political side he/she is taking, use of such english is certainly questionable.

== Professional Educational Institutions ==

I suggest that this section be redone. It is really of interest only to very few people in a global readership context.

Instead of just listing out a number of institutions, I suggest we replace this section with some text about the growth of the professional colleges, with a few examples in terms of genre (engineering, medicine, etc.) rather than trying to make this a place to list every institution of note in Belgaum. Please understand that every institution is of note to people associated with it, so this could become a never-ending story. :)

] 06:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I have rewritten this section, and provided links to the VTU and KU, which is a more logical place to list affiliated institutions.

] 08:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

== Industry ==

Belgaum is a very important centre for industry. Yet this article hardly touches upon this. We need to fix this. Any volunteers from Belgaum knowledgable about this who could provide information in the '''Industry''' section?

] 08:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi,
I have admin to make it shorter.I hope it will saisfy ur wish.Thanks.] 13:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

==Arbitration==
] has violated rules far too many times with this article to be allowed to continue the politicization of this article. In accordance with Misplaced Pages rules, I am requesting arbitration by admins. ] 14:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I have tagged this article as disputed, for attention of admins. The dispute is about the large amount of politically motivated material introduced by ]. I had forked out that material to ] to avoid further issues and linked to it from the main article, but he has repeatedly reverted out all my edits.

] 14:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The matter appears to be resolved at this time. ] 15:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

== Tourism and attractions ==

This section is a thorough mess! We need to do better than this if we ever want this article to get nominated for article of the day. :)

The first para is so 19th century (except for the last sentence referring to Sambra).

The list is a mess as well - some of the links are plain wrong (like ]!), others are 404, etc.

Should we clean up the list and then start adding things in a slightly structured and verified manner?

] 16:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I am deleting all the content for now. Editors please add only attractions in city of Belgaum (+may be places in 20km radius), not places around it. Also whenever you add some place please include some details, dont just list them. ] 21:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

:Suggest we put the old list of places here in the talk section (cleaned up of course), so that people can pick from that and add to the article along with descriptions. Makes it easier for people to get started.
:] 15:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

==Removing links==
:Hi I removed a external link which was a kannada fanatic news item irrelavant to this article.If anyone includes it again,I am ready with many pro-Marathi links.The neutral editors are requested to ask KNM and other kannada editors to not place it again.
] 06:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:Mahawiki - provide evidence that the article linked to is inaccurate before removing again. This link has been in place for a long time but has never been objected to by you. It has therefore stood the test of time and scrutiny - including by you. And I have warned you about trying to politicize this article. The only fanatism I see here is yours. ] 08:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
::For starters, ] is not even a newspaper ''of'' Karnataka for you to call it a Kannada fanatic source. Even otherwise, The Hindu is a far more notable, credible and reliable source compared to your unabashed ]. You are '''nobody''' to give a certificate for a source. The Hindu is accepted as a notable, credible and reliable source and it is cited in countless articles on Misplaced Pages. If you have problems with it, go get an admin. ] 08:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:Mr.Achitnis,I would request u to be civil and refined.I have not objected before because pro-Marathi links have been transfered by '''Belgaum border dispute''' move.Before even commenting on this just see the link and answer me why it should be there.Of course if u want it there,I can get a pro-Marathi link too.I have told u N no of times that the Belgaum article has to be '''balanced'''.It will be nice if u dont go sarvagnya's way.] 11:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
::Mahawiki - I have certainly not been uncivil, but I find your fanatism deeply offensive. I have asked you to stop politicising this article. As I have said, there is *no* proof whatsoever that the Hindu article is inaccurate, and the very fact that it is from the Hindu is enough proof that research has gone into it. But nevermind all that - this link has been in the article for a long time - how come you wake up only *now* and try to remove it?
::The reality is that it opposes '''your''' POV, and therefore, by your logic, it must be inaccurate.
::I have told you before that unlike you, I *am* from Belgaum. I know the people of Belgaum, and the situation there. I do not deny that there is a dispute, but the Government of Maharashtra is honourably disputing it in court, why are you bringing disrepute to all us Maharashtrians by going around spitting on people? We are not like that!
::Unlike your other "targets", I *am* a Maharashtrian, many people here know who I am and will vouch for this fact (and you can easily google for it, too). I don't have to prove myself to you - but do you even have the guts to state your real name? How do we know who you are, and what your motives are behind all your fanatism?
::Please let people of Belgaum speak for themselves, don't attempt to become their spokesman - you are not qualified to be that.
::Just leave us alone!
::] 12:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I was opposing the link because it is irrelavant to this article.Never mind,let that link be there,I have added 2 Marathi links too.So that wiki users can also able to know whats Maharashtra's POV.
:BTW,the way ur speaking about the border issue tells ur story.I dont care to google ur name etc.If u want my name I can surely give it to u.What fanaticm,mind ur words?Did u notice how ur Kannadi friends are deleting 'unrest' mentions from the dispute article and adding unnecessary details about Mahajan report?
:The way R.R Patil was received in Belgaon and the way Kannadi goons disrupted Belgaon during Bandh is known to all.My aunt is from Dharwad who's a tulu and do u know she talks about Tulu nadu everytime.get this into ur head and ur Kannada friend's head too.
:BTW I reallty dont need ur permission to edit Belgaon article.Dont think ur the representative of Belgaonkars.In fact i dont care if u r from belgaon or no.
:So cut the crap and limit ur talk to relavant topics.I dont care if ur a celebrity or a clerk.
] 12:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
::My deluded friend - I am not a celebrity. I am from Belgaum. You are not. You are just a troublemaker who has crossed the line far too often here. ] 08:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

My friend ] you should try to gather some info about the previous discussion before calling someone fanatics or deluded. It seems you are unaware of the troubles of users ] and others. Read the previous discussions, you will see a lot of users pushing Karnataka POV in belgaum article. User ] has been showing his/her expertee in all karnataka, maharashtra, India, marathi, kannada, related articles. As for as user ] is concerned, I think he/she is trying to counter the pro-karnataka POV included by others. Read this article ] and see if you can understand what POVs these users are pushing. Now coming to belgaum article, did you read the Hindu article properly. Is it so difficult to find the entire article is the POV of one person, that is, lok Sabha member from Karnataka, A.K. Kotrashetty. What one can expect from a Karnataka politician? Refer to R. R. Patil's statement on Mahajan. Mr. Patil said, Mahajan went in favor of Karnataka because he did not get Idali in breakfast and a good place to stay in Pune. How about giving reference to that link. This incident is not even very old compared to pre-peshwa history. As for as I understand user Mahawiki is not opposing the mention of Shrihari mandir. Additinally, I observed you discussing other users that Mahawiki is not from belgaum, ask the people you are discussing with and see how many who are editing are from belgaum. I can prove you that I am from Belgaum. Additionally, I can tell with confidence that you know nothing about the border dispute. --] 02:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:ROTFL :D.. A supreme court chief justice couldnt find a good place to stay!! LOL!! No Idali(do u mean Idli??) for breakfast in Pune so gave belgaum to Karntaka. Seriously, it doesnt get funnier than this. Do you have a link for this?? Feel free to dump it in the external links. People here are badly in need for a good laugh. ] 02:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:On second thoughts, why external link, we should cite it and put it in the article. It surely will strengthen Maharashtra's case in the eyes of our readers. ] 02:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
People can see how serious you are about wikipedia. You always like to argue about petty things on each and every articles. That's the reason may be you are badly in the need of laugh. Can't you read between the lines? Misplaced Pages is not the place to give a reference to personal opinions of each and every politician of Karnataka. --] 04:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:Just ignore that troll.All this Sarvagnya wants is some action.He is against each and every language.U can get the idea of his intellect by his follies on Jana_gana_mana page.He's even trashing Govt.Of india's citations.So just igmore him.
] 05:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

==Final removal of links==
I have removed link to the article that Mahawiki had put in to push his POV again, since it is non-english and this is '''en'''.wikipedia.org. However, at the same time I have also removed the link to the Hindu article, not because I believe that it should be removed, but because Mahawiki is using it as an excuse to plug in political links. Should he attempt to reinstate his link now, he will have to defend his actions in ].

:Mind ur language.Do u lack the insight to see Kannada POV pushing?Dont blame me and act too smart.Nice that u removed the link and I wont add it again.This is a last warning to u,Mr.celebrity,stop pushing ur POV here.
] 09:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

::I have retained all links. We cant rob WP readers of a good article because one person gives himself the right to play judge on anything and anyone from Belgaum's history to Kannada lanugage to Rajnikanth to Rajkumar to Suryakanth Kamath to Rashtrakuta to Shivaji to The 'great' Shivaji. Enough is enough!! Mr.Chitnis, I urge to to go ahead and remove those Marathi links if you want. And if he resists, please call in the admins. '''The Hindu link is about Belgaum's history and is as relevant as an external link can get on this page'''. Hell, if we can have a link on a ''Srihari Mandir'' and one on job seekers!! And in any case, much as Mahawiki might delude himself, I dont see en.wiki readers downloading and installing crappy font to read a tabloid. Let those links remain as vestigeal organs to this article until some admin or somebody bulldozes it. ] 10:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

::Well if u dont know Maharashtrians would prefer Pudhari and Belgaon Tarun Bharat rather than ur 'crappy' Deccan Herald or 'Kannad' Vijaya Karnataka!
] 11:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:::'''Sri Harimandir''' is a an important landmark of Belgaum, and many people actually know Belgaum because of it so it is completely valid. (This is of course something Mahawiki doesn't know about since he has nothing to do with Belgaum, and probably has never been there :) BTW - I lived for many years in the house next to Harimandir, waking up every morning to "Om Namaha Shivaya" chanted by hundreds of people, some of them sitting in our garden.
:::The jobseekers link was a bit over the top and I agree that it had no place there.
:::The Hindu link talked more about the Border Dispute, but from the Karnataka perspective, which was what of course triggered off our fanatic friend. Let's move it to the Belgaum Border Dispute article (where it makes more sense), and be done with it.
:::] 10:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
::::TG!] 11:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wasnt sure about Harimandir and that is why I didnt remove it. And The Hindu link discusses the border dispute from a historical perspective. And so it is perfectly valid. Just because history says that it was Kannada dominated doesnt mean it becomes biased. If mw finds a historical article on Pudari or Ladari or whatever, he can feel free to put it there. Infact, the Hindu link becomes all the more valid coz., this article talks about both the history of Belgaum as well as the border dispute. So the link is definitely not out of place. Like I said, we cant keep chipping away at the quality of the article coz a self styled politician and historian(rolled into one) objects to it. ] 11:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Marathi links removed ==

Please see ]: "English language links are strongly preferred in the English-language Misplaced Pages. It may be appropriate to have a link to a foreign language site, such as when an official site is unavailable in English, or when the link is to the subject's text in its original language." The Marathi links provided here are neither to the official site nor to the subject's text in Marathi. Marathi links should be provided at ] and Kannada links should be provided at ]. The External links policy was not decided by any single person, but after ] of many editors. If you feel this policy is wrong, please discuss at ], not on this page. Thanks. ] | ] 11:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:The users removing citations are requested to read the above explaination keenly.Admin had objected about non-English external links and not citations.Thanks.] 07:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:The translation
Proposal to make Belgaon 2nd capital cancelled!

Bangalore
Their is no proposal to make Belgaon the 2nd capital revealed home minister S.P.Prakash on Saturday. This has shut the mouths of so-called Kannad leaders.Prakash talked to reporters after a meeting regarding Suvarna Karnatak year .The idea of 2nd capital itself cannot be supported,he said.During Karnataka legislative session from(from 25 sep onwards) some people had proposed about the 2nd capital and it was not govt's decision.in J&K this idea was implemented due to weather.Maharashtra also helds legislative assembly in Nagpur but it has not appointed as 2nd capital.These examples were put forth by Prakash to reporters.

Kannad leaders get a bang
During the legislative assembly session in Belgaon dep.CM yediyurappa had himself announced about making Belgaon a 2nd capital.Within just 15 days coalition govt's (BJP's partner) JD(S) leader and Home minster Prakash have taken a U-turn.This has exposed the disagreements in coalition govt.Home minsiter's announcement has banged Kannad leaders and their faces are worth watching.
] 08:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Mahawiki,
:As per ], "If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it."
:Please provide the original-language quote along with its corresponding English translation. Thank you. - ] <sup> ''']''' - ''']'''</sup> 14:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

== Mixing Belgaum city with Belgaum district ==

It seems like this article includes information about both city and district when there is already a separate article for the district. Would it be all right to remove the district information from this article? ]] 02:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== Section cleanup ==

I have moved various parts from introduction of the article into appropriate sections to make the article more coherant. I have also fleshed out the Economy section a bit.
] 13:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

] - what you consider important or not is not really the issue here - I am not removing any facts, I am rearranging things things to make the article easier to read and so that it has a better structure. Note that Belgaum City is not the centre of the dispute - Belgaum District is. This article is about Belgaum city. ] 15:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:Mr achitnis, Plz dont do this mindless editing again.Belgaum city is the centre of dispute. U have no right to delete the facts with reference.Stop raking up 'political agenda' blah blah. Make sure that wikipedia is not OWNED by you and I am not '''answerable''' to u.Before making any edits plz consult admin.thanks! ] 16:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

And ofcourse if u want to check the facts see ].] 16:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki: when are you going to realise that Misplaced Pages is not your private propaganda playground, but an encyclopedia? And that in an encyclopedia, articles have to have structure be readable? I have not removed any facts, I am rearranging text to make the article more readable. Is this so difficult to understand?

And as for your mindless putting in text into the References section - do you even understand how the references system works? You can't just go and put in some random, uncited and unverifiable text there.

And kindly stop using sentences like "Make sure that wikipedia is not OWNED by you and I am not '''answerable''' to u." to try and justify your actions. That sounds childish. Misplaced Pages is certainly not owned by me (or you), but unlike you, I am dealing with an article about my hometown here, you are not.
] 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:Mr.Achitnis, kindly read this - ''']'''. I think you are not aware of this policy. Which is why you made this statement ''"I am dealing with an article about my hometown here, you are not."'' If you read the link provided, I assure you that things will be clear to you. And please do not go into confrontational mode. Please see ''']'''. Mahawiki has provided a valid citation. The citation has been verified by an admin. That makes things clear. Alright, keep improving the article. -<span class="plainlinks" style="border: 2px solid #0001DC; padding: 1px;"><b>]</b></span>]''']''' 03:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

:Mr Chitnis,This is the last time I am requesting to stop ur mindless allegations. It will be nice if you go and improve ''ur'' article!!! Two weeks something have been passed since Belgaum border dispute has been seperated from this article on ur insistance.I think very less improvement has been done here contrary to ur claims. What do u intend by speaking nonsense about this issue? Do u want to win ur Kannada friends hearts by showing off ur 'liberal' attitude? Its a request, u '''dont''' know anything about this issue so just avoid it.Please go and defend ur article which is prone to deletion requests!!!
:Regarding the citation, it has been passed by a admin. So before u say anything else go to the page I mentioned.No mindless commentry please?
] 04:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


Both the comments made above are in clear violation of ], as they address me personally, and not the content of the article, and the only reason for these attacks is to introduce their own POV. Since this is clearly not the first time that these two users are resorting to this approach, and since it has no place at all on Misplaced Pages, I am requesting internvention by the admins, and if necessary will take it to ].

Until this matter is addressed by admins (or they clearly tell me that they cannot/will not address it), I am discontinuing any further edits to this article, to avoid edit-wars.

] 06:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Mr.Chitnis, if u observe ur posts u have also had personal attacks on me.] 11:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

===Importance of border_dispute section===
Chitnis is being making a issue out of non-issue. For him Belgaum dispute may be nothing but for lakhs of Maharashtrians in border region it is the question of life and death. Morever take this into account- two of Indian states are vouching for Belgaum, matters are with Supreme court, K'taka talks of making Belgaum the 2nd capital and Maharashtra HM attends convention. U like it or not, border issue is indeed a important issue here and hence a sub-section that links the main article and that too in top of (below history) this article is needed.
As i mentioned above border dispute article was formed on his insistance and he wanted 'to improve and expand his hometown article'.But as u can see he hasnt done much here and just want to show off his liberal attitude about the issue. Whereas the ] is indeed expanded.

His allegations of me being political is frivolous.His insistance of (ONLY HE SHOULD be)editing the article just because he claims himself of from belgaum is also hillarious.He is being a dictator here.Everything cannot be arranaged and done as per his requirement.His tendency of considering others inferior and being too much proud of himself (If u dont know who I am u r certainly not of Belgaum...google my name and see who i am...etc etc) talks about his 'attitude' in volumes.In fact this guy doesnt even know that the centre of controversy is Belgaum city! Its high time that chitnis stops his dictatorship and expecting others to follow his footsteps. ] 13:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

: The above is again in violation of ]. And for the record - what I told him to do was to google to verify the fact that I am indeed from Belgaum (unlike him). His interpretation is flawed. ] 07:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:Once again it doesnt matter if i am from Belgaum or not. You are creating trouble here. And ur above reply is nohing but a lie. You had asked to google ur name to 'know who i am'
in fact . He's telling me that I'm not a Belgaumkar since I dont know him! One who talks of NPA again and again should not write '''Unlike your other "targets", I *am* a Maharashtrian, many people here know who I am and will vouch for this fact (and you can easily google for it, too). I don't have to prove myself to you - but do you even have the guts to state your real name? How do we know who you are, and what your motives are behind all your fanatism?'''. ] 07:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:If you were trying to prove anything at all, you certainly didn't do yourself any favours by ''proving exactly what I said - that I asked you to google to confirm my claims about being what I am''. :) Also, you may not have noticed this, but '''that'' comment was on a personal talk page, not on an article talk page, and even then it was civil.
:My complaint against you stands - that you are using personal attacks to try and intimidate people into accepting your utterly POV edits, and refuse to accept that other editors disagree with you. You are also trying to use brute force to enforce your view by repeatedly reverting edits until the other side gives up. You use quotes from ] publications, but reject ''links'' (not even quotes) to articles that present a different point of view by hiding behind NPOV accusations.
:I am awaiting the decision of admins before I take the next step.
:] 10:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:Can u explain me what was ur intention by ur statement 'if u dont know me so u r not a Belgaumkar!'. You are not exactly displaying ur liberal stance by endorsing Kannada ''partisan'' publications and dumping Marathi citations. You seem to be quite friendly with kannada editors (in fact one editor embraced u for ur pro-kannada stand) and call me as fanatic. Have u read the earlier discussions on the same page before u make such allegations which are utter false.
:Above all do u know ''what u want''? Are u creating a scene just because u love controversies? What is ur problem when Border dispute section is placed above all (but below history)? Do u have any justification to prove that there is no ''border dispute'' or it is very weak 'political movement'? '''It is ur POV'''. Did u know the reference (partisan Marathi) was submitted to admin before using it? Have u read the translations at ] talk page? U seem to be so ignorant that u dont know Belgaum city is the centre of dispute.
:Think about it before u threaten me anymore or fight about petty issues. ] 10:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
:: The above is again in violation of ]. I continue to wait for inputs from admins on how to proceed. ] 11:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:I give up!All this fuss about moving border_dispute section up which is very important and a minor rectification which is backed by a citation!! Incidentlly chitnis is going on by his NPA nags when he himself has been rude and threatning me with few adjectives like 'fanatic'!No comments from me unless a admin asks me to do. ] 11:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

::Stop trivializing other people's thoughts on this matter. And stop the personal attacks. Note that you are ''not'' an admin, and cannot hand out admin warnings as a form of "counter attack" on user talk pages. My complaint against you continues to stand. Every post by you of this nature simply strengthens the case against you.
::] 06:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Moved culture section below geography ==

I've moved the culture section below the geography section because I think it makes the flow of reading better. I hope this is fine.
] 05:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Unverifiable fact: reference 4 ==

Reference 4 (''Belgaon, Karwar, Nippanicha Simaprashna kai aahe? (What is border dispute of Belgaum, Karwar and Nippani?) Special edition, Belgaum Tarun Bharat'') in the main article does not link to any verifiable source. Could someone provide a link, or remove it if no verification can be provided? Note that I am not challenging the accuracy of the reference, but Misplaced Pages rules require it to be verifiable.

What I ''am'' challenging is the need for introducing such material when there is an independent article on the ] where this kind of material belongs.

] 05:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:I questioned the importance of border dispute section in this article in the edit summary, and just moved(rearranged) that section down a bit. And I got personal attacks in response. So, just gave up.] 06:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
::Sadly, this is the way this young man fights his battles. Which is why I am currently in the process of taking this up with ]. Every personal attack against another editor will help lead to resolution of this case, so you should actually welcome each personal attack. :) "Giving up" is not the way to do things, so please don't. ] 06:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:Hi the answer to ur doubts- #I have included that citation for a minor edit in the statement at Border dispute section. #You are free to delete the citation if no editor contests the edit. #The validity and accuracy of the citation is checked by a admin.In case u want to have a look, please email me so that I can forward u a copy of it. ] 06:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
::As I have personally experienced in the past, Misplaced Pages is not about the truth but about verifiable facts. Unless you can provide a reputable online reference, this citation is unverifiable. ] 06:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps u are not aware- Belgaum Tarun Bharat is a reputable source. A reputable source can be offline(a book for eg) or online and both are valid. The citation which I am talking about is sent to me by none other than editor of Tarun Bharat. Morever the admin has looked into it. If u can understand Marathi I would be happy to email it to u. To repeat-I had posted the citation ro back my edits. If no one contests my edits feel free to delete the mention of citation. ] 06:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Stop hiding behind the admin for everything. The admin alone is not the reader. WP is read by millions around the world and everyone cannot go hunting for your admin and ask him for a copy of the pamphlet or whatever you have sent him. First of all nobody knows what Tarun Bharat is and your ref doesnt explain it. Nor does your ref give the date of publication, the edition, the author of the article... NOTHING!! What kind of a ref is that and why are you hiding behind the admin for a ref that isnt worth anything in its present form. Stop embarassing the admin. Stop passing off your actions as having his consent! ] 06:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:Obviously not everyone can go hunting for my admin and ask him for a copy of the citation. Just like the Suryanath Kamath's book,perhaps?, but I can email a copy of it to u/whoever wants to have a look on. No one knew Suryanath kamath but his citation was used based on ur unconfirmed claims of he being a reputed writer! Anyways FYKI Tarun Bharat is a popular newspaper published from Belgaum. The citation is collection of articles published about border problem.The authors includes Kiran Thakur and Maloji Ashtekar (former mayor of BCC).
:It will be nice if u stop ur mindless blabbering as the citations have been submitted to Blnguyen and Utcursch. It doesnt seem u know much about this issue so plz stop ur speculation. ] 06:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:: The above is again in violation of ]. ] 07:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
::The above msg signifies partisan attitude of chitnis. My reply was after provocation of sarvagnya. chitnis is adviced to be neutral and not encourage sarvagnya who's being rude and incivil. ] 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

::Dr.Kamath is a member of many prestigious committees and institutions. But then he is not a cricket player or a film actor for everyone to know him. And yet, Dinesh's citations mention the name and ISBN of the book and the edition etc.,. Your ref is as it stands now is useless. And readers cant keep coming to you for emails and attachments of some pamphlet. If it is as reputed as you claim it to be, they should be able to find it if you give them the date, edition, editor, author of article etc.,. ] 07:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:Name,ISBN and edition etc is useless unless we get to read his works. Why should readers believe about ur claims of being Kamath being a authentic writer.] 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya and others, why are you making a issue out of a non-issue. Mahawiki has given a valid citation and it is perfectly alright. He has e-mailed me the file, and I have myself read it. But, comin' back to the point, let me point out that all citations cannot be online. Offline citations are allowed in Misplaced Pages. If you still want to remove the citations, then it's your prerogative. But then rest assured, your Kannad author Mr.Kamat's references from all the articles that Kannambadi has kannadized will also be removed. So, please cool down your rhetorics as they ain't gonna scare Mahawiki or me. By the way, Sarvagnya, I must point out that what you're doing is Wikistalking ! Isn't it ? I must also point out that Mahawiki has been extremely civil and all you guys are doing is provoking him by raising a non-issue just because he is related to that issue. Please, stop this. And remember, ]. <span class="plainlinks" style="border: 2px solid #0001DC; padding: 1px;"><b>]</b></span>]''']''' 07:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
::You know what? cut the lecture and mail me the file. I want to see it. I have far too much trust in you and mw to take your endorsement of ''his'' citation unquestioned. My email is configured and I am waiting for the file. Treat this as a formal request. Thanks. ] 07:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:I think u dont know much about email things.U have to email me firsr/give ur email so that I can forward u the file.i cnt attach the file from wikipedia!! ] 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

::Hey Sarvagnya and Achitnis, please have a look . mahawiki and arya ara making personal attacks on me again and calling me sockpuppet. I've already reported this to an admin. Sad to know that Achitnis has to go through same thing.] 07:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Nothing sad about it. Every personal attack by him just provides more evidence against him and his friends. Don't worry about anything - he isn't actually going to come and beat up anyone. :) Just edit as you think is right, make sure that everything you edit a) provides value to the article and b) is verifiable, and don't give up unless your facts are proved false. I personally do not think that the ] attempts by him and his friends are going to go unnoticed for much longer, but at the same time, any attempt by the other side to counter their attempts using "counter facts" really doesn't provide any value, just more fuel to a fire that will consume both sides (see "]" for more details).
:::] 07:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:Chitnis do a reality check at this point. Are u sure about what exactly u want? For what ur fighting? I edited a line about Border dispute in this article. If u agree and dont need a citation for my edit plz delete the citation mentions.If u disagree plz mail me so that I can mail u the file and u can check it. What is ur problem? ] 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


] → {{no redirect|Belagavi}} – official name was changed in 2014, and Majority of the Reliable sources published after that are using the "Belagavi" so as per ] the article is eligible to rename as "Belagavi" , Sources which are using "Belagavi" : ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] etc ... . ]<sup>]</sup> 20:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;] (]) 03:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)</small>
:] has mailed me a PDF version of ''Belgaon, Karwar, Nippanicha Simaprashna kai aahe?'' published by Tarun Bharat. I've verified it. It's in Marathi -- if others want to have a look at the file, please ask Mahawiki to mail it to you. I've also asked Mahawiki to upload the file at geocities or some other site. ] | ] 07:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Misplaced Pages is a world-wide encyclopedia, and the ] is determined by what English speakers, the world over, most readily recognise. Local media do not reflect this world-wide situation, as most of their readership readily knows both names, Although only a very crude measure a Google search for gives 66.3 million hits, whereas gives just 12 million - ] (]) 20:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
::Hi Utcursch, I've already asked for the file and I am waiting for it. How long should I wait before I decide remove the 'citation'? ] 07:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:'''comment''' another reason to support move as per ] : quality encyclopedias ;] :- https://www.britannica.com/place/Belagavi ]<sup>]</sup> 21:35, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:Till u email me or give away ur email id to me.I cant forward the article from wikipedia.] 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support''' based on Google News search results, it seems clear that Belagavi is now the common name. ] (]) 03:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
::We all know as well as I do that mailing you a PDF, or uploading it to Geocities, or anything else, is not valid verifiability according to WP - a link to the Tarun Bharat site would be. The primary issue here is ''not'' whether you or I know that the material is valid - it is about other readers of the article who know neither you nor me. Misplaced Pages is not about truth, but about verifiable facts - by anyone.
*'''Oppose''' per Arjayay. -- ] (]) 14:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
::And in any case - does this kind of material belong in this article, when there is a separate article about ], which this article links to? This looks like a deliberate attempt to migrate material/issues from that article to this article.
*'''Comment'''. As was the case at the time of the last move request ], in , and for what it's worth, and , Belgaum still outpaces Belagavi. ]<small>]</small> 04:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
::I would be perfectly content if both "pro-Maharashtra" and "pro-Karnataka" material were removed from this article, after all this article is ''not'' about the border dispute. But MW would have to point out what he considers "pro-Karnataka" in the article ''on this talk page'', and allow other editors to evaluate that. He has never done that - he uses his favourite figleaf - "NPOV" (or hiding behind admins - notice how '''you''' are now his primary verification source?)- and reverts at will. ] 08:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/they-cut-him-into-pieces-indias-love-jihad-conspiracy-theory-turns-lethal ] (]) 09:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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== Needs change of city name to Belagavi ==
:chitnis has clearly shown his prejudice and partisan attitude once again.If u have a look at the citation u will probably understand it is authentic.Still furthur u can ask Belgaum Tarun Bharat about its validity. The file im talking about was sent to me by none other than editor of Belgaum tarun bharat. ] 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


The name of the city has been officially changed as Belagavi on 1st November 2014 by Government of Karnataka, with approval of Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India. ] (]) 17:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


:Look at the section immediately above this one - there was a requested move discussion about this, which failed. ] (]) 17:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:''And in any case - does this kind of material belong in this article, when there is a separate article about Belgaum border dispute, which this article links to? This looks like a deliberate attempt to migrate material/issues from that article to this article.''
::If not, change the name of this page ] (]) 17:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:As I make out u have completely misunderstood the whole issue. You dont know about what ur fighting and contesting for.I have added that citation for a minor edit below the Belgaum_border section! If u dont need the citation for that ''remove the citation''.Gosh!! ] 09:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:::No. It was decided not to do that in the RM discussion above. ] (]) 17:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


== Change of title from Belgaum to Belagavi. ==
::I had already talked about verifiability and use of credible sources in ] and this resulted in Mahawiki accusing me of being a sockpuppet (with a hilarious reason that I had understood Misplaced Pages policies ] ). The burden of providing verifiable evidence lies with the editor who added the content and not people asking for it.(Please read ] ). Please don't respond with answers like '''"Still furthur u can ask Belgaum Tarun Bharat about its validity."'''. Looking at this highly chauvinistic and derogatory nature of this article, I have serious reservations if this thing was ever published. Just because you claim that the editor had mailed it to you, does not add credibility to this source. I wish an admin would take note of this. ] 10:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


Majority of the English speakers use the name Belagavi in their conversations. It is now time to change the title of this page from Belgaum to Belagavi. ] (]) 08:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:OMG!Can any admin please take care of Kannada ] pushing and do the sock-puppetry check ASAP? ] 10:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:Please provide the evidence for your claim - ] (]) 12:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


== Article name must be changed to Belagavi. ==
== File uploaded ==


On 1st November 2014, names of 12 Karnataka cities changed. Belgaum was changed as Belagavi. Then union home minister Rajnath Singh gave his approval to the proposal of the Karnataka government made on October 27, 2006 to change the names of the 12 towns and cities in consonance with their pronunciation in Kannada language. <ref>url=https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/karnataka-belgaum-mysore-names-of-12-cities-changed-kannada-223614-2014-10-17<ref> ] (]) 09:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
. I hope this will clear any '''doubts''' ur having!
:We obviously know that, since the article clearly states "'''Belgaum''' also '''Belgaon''' and officially known as '''Belagavi'''".<br>As this is the English Misplaced Pages, we use the ] in English, not the ], or the name in Kannada. If the common name in English eventually changes, we will change our article title, as we did with Mumbai. However ] was changed to Bengaluru in 2006, and the continued use of Bangalore for our article title has passed 14 move discussions. - ] (]) 10:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
] 09:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
::Its not true. You have a misconception. Belagavi is the only common name. From city to district administration every official government website uses Belagavi.
::Apart from that all national level medias use the common name Belagavi. For your reference :
::1.Moneycontrol |Title=Jagadish Shettar retains BJP bastion Belagavi in Karnataka
::Url=https://www.moneycontrol.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/karnataka-belagavi-bjp-jagadish-shettar-congress-mrunal-ravindra-hebbalkar-election-2024-result-article-12739669.ht
::ml
::2.Deccan Herald |Title=Lok Sabha Elections 2024: Belagavi constituency result
::Url=https://www.deccanherald.com/elections/india/lok-sabha-elections-2024-belagavi-constituency-result-3030640
::3.The Hindu |Title=PM Modi to reach Belagavi tomorrow
::Url=
::https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/pm-modi-to-reach-belagavi-tomorrow/article68105884.e
::ce
::4.Times Of India |Title=Belagavi Ministers All Set To Launch Next Gen In LS Polls
::Rrl=ead more at :
::https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hubballi/belagavi-ministers-launch-next-gen-in-2024-ls-polls/articleshow/108599824.c
::Kindly respect the emotions of local people. Don't do false common name statements here. ] (]) 18:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Please read the ] policy properly. We use the commonly used name in English language sources from all over the world. "{{tq|respect the emotions of local people}}" ← doesn't work like that otherwise we would have name the ] article as ]. Latter is just a redirect similar to ] in this case. - ] (]) 19:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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1. Wiki header should be changed to " Belagavi" and article informatio. should contain the unofficial name or old name Belagaum inside the article . It seems to be the other way round. 2. More edit requests will follow once the first one is rectified. 2601:40B:8402:4920:992A:7765:5EFB:E6BE (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: see WP:ON small jars tc 16:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 12 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that Belgaum is still the WP:COMMONNAME at this time. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Belgaum → Belagavi – official name was changed in 2014, and Majority of the Reliable sources published after that are using the "Belagavi" so as per WP:NAMECHANGES the article is eligible to rename as "Belagavi" , Sources which are using "Belagavi" : The Hindu, The Times of India, The Indian Express, Deccan Herald, Mint (newspaper), Asian News International, Hindustan Times, Free Press Journal etc ... . ಹುಲಿ🐯 20:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Misplaced Pages is a world-wide encyclopedia, and the WP:Commonname is determined by what English speakers, the world over, most readily recognise. Local media do not reflect this world-wide situation, as most of their readership readily knows both names, Although only a very crude measure a Google search for Belguam gives 66.3 million hits, whereas Belgavi gives just 12 million - Arjayay (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
comment another reason to support move as per WP:COMMONNAME : quality encyclopedias ;Britannica :- https://www.britannica.com/place/Belagavi ಹುಲಿ🐯 21:35, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Needs change of city name to Belagavi

The name of the city has been officially changed as Belagavi on 1st November 2014 by Government of Karnataka, with approval of Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India. Djsourabh.bwd (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Look at the section immediately above this one - there was a requested move discussion about this, which failed. MrOllie (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
If not, change the name of this page Djsourabh.bwd (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
No. It was decided not to do that in the RM discussion above. MrOllie (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Change of title from Belgaum to Belagavi.

Majority of the English speakers use the name Belagavi in their conversations. It is now time to change the title of this page from Belgaum to Belagavi. 2409:40F2:1007:3A71:98F:9C80:3DA4:EA2B (talk) 08:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Please provide the evidence for your claim - Arjayay (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Article name must be changed to Belagavi.

On 1st November 2014, names of 12 Karnataka cities changed. Belgaum was changed as Belagavi. Then union home minister Rajnath Singh gave his approval to the proposal of the Karnataka government made on October 27, 2006 to change the names of the 12 towns and cities in consonance with their pronunciation in Kannada language. <ref>url=https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/karnataka-belgaum-mysore-names-of-12-cities-changed-kannada-223614-2014-10-17<ref> Djsourabh.bwd (talk) 09:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

We obviously know that, since the article clearly states "Belgaum also Belgaon and officially known as Belagavi".
As this is the English Misplaced Pages, we use the Common name in English, not the Official name, or the name in Kannada. If the common name in English eventually changes, we will change our article title, as we did with Mumbai. However Bangalore was changed to Bengaluru in 2006, and the continued use of Bangalore for our article title has passed 14 move discussions. - Arjayay (talk) 10:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Its not true. You have a misconception. Belagavi is the only common name. From city to district administration every official government website uses Belagavi.
Apart from that all national level medias use the common name Belagavi. For your reference :
1.Moneycontrol |Title=Jagadish Shettar retains BJP bastion Belagavi in Karnataka
Url=https://www.moneycontrol.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/karnataka-belagavi-bjp-jagadish-shettar-congress-mrunal-ravindra-hebbalkar-election-2024-result-article-12739669.ht
ml
2.Deccan Herald |Title=Lok Sabha Elections 2024: Belagavi constituency result
Url=https://www.deccanherald.com/elections/india/lok-sabha-elections-2024-belagavi-constituency-result-3030640
3.The Hindu |Title=PM Modi to reach Belagavi tomorrow
Url=
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/pm-modi-to-reach-belagavi-tomorrow/article68105884.e
ce
4.Times Of India |Title=Belagavi Ministers All Set To Launch Next Gen In LS Polls
Rrl=ead more at :
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hubballi/belagavi-ministers-launch-next-gen-in-2024-ls-polls/articleshow/108599824.c
Kindly respect the emotions of local people. Don't do false common name statements here. Djsourabh.bwd (talk) 18:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Please read the WP:COMMONNAME policy properly. We use the commonly used name in English language sources from all over the world. "respect the emotions of local people" ← doesn't work like that otherwise we would have name the Germany article as Deutschland. Latter is just a redirect similar to Belagavi in this case. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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