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I read your edit on the ] article. Thanks for the really insightful edit! I didn't know Graham and oths used the GNT in crusades until the 80's. When I went to the 1995 ] crusade in ], the ] was used. -- ] 12:05, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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Thanks for your comments, Hoshie - much appreciated as it's my first contribution. On thinking about it, I'm going to change 'eighties' to 'early eighties'. I believe the same was probably true of the ] Mission England crusade in 1984.
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Thanks. If you have any suggestions or corrections, let me know. It was not an easy map to do and I am not entirely happy with the result. At some stage, I intend to do another version that is a bit less wasteful of space so that I can zoom in a little. I was also thinking of doing custom maps for each of the clan articles with the corresponding clan region coloured in. ] 04:10, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


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:Thanks for the comments, Bruce. I will make the changes you suggested and consult the sites you mentioned when I revise the map.


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:I use ] for all my maps. My maps are all traced so my "original" contributions are limited mainly to colouring. I am a bit nervous about the copyright issues. While each pixel I produce is original, the designs are largely derivative. Most of the military maps are taken from fairly old sources under Crown Copyright which are probably pretty safe. The clan map at the moment is pretty faithful to the source so I'll be happy to see it revised away from the original.


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:::Methinks your comment on my talk page "What Dave has done seems to be a good compromise" shoud be what Geoff has done, meaning his splendid map. The clan page has come on, hope you're happy with develp] 19:06, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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I agree the map is superb. I've now deleted the original clan list, transferring legitimate links up to the chart of Scottish Clans. Some links were not to clans but to placenames, etc, so I've ignored those. I've included the Stewart Clan (aware that there are several who claim to be the 'real' Stewarts - or Stuarts - but it needed to be represented.


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Which article in the Glasgow Herald? - I had a look on the website but couldn't find anything, apart from a fascinating article entitled 'The remarkable tale of Indian Peter'.... ] | ] 00:48, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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::apologies, meant I'd read it, just my little jape about the lamented daily Herald before the dreaded Murdoch Sun got to it. However, by coincidence the Sunday Herald yesterday had a supplement with the "top 50 clans" - clan Brown at no. 2 and clan Smith at no. 1! Some useful info in it, but I'm off to sort out the ]. - ] 20:59, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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How could we have omitted the Daily Herald? Thanks for rectifying that - I remember it well when I was a young lad! Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 23:27, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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:Not a problem. It seems to have been almost universally forgotten except as the paper that ultimately spawned ''The Sun''. Very sad indeed. I think it merits an entry of its own and will probably add one when I get the chance. Cheers, ] 10:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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Good idea, Mattley - as an important part of the Labour movement in the UK it should not be allowed to be forgotten. ] 13:23, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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Thanks for including the link to Eric Gill's headstone. I noticed that you got the inscription just slightly wrong - 'Stone Carver' not 'cutter'. Do you think he carved it himself prior to his death? - although the bottom part he could not have done, of course.... ] | ] 01:08, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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apologies for adding back the deleted list, my error in editing offline. I did notice Armstrong wasn't on the new list, it's in the Collins book (it's a borders family): there are some odd omissions from the new list, and I did add in Hamilton. No doubt ot will fill out in time... ] 00:46, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC) ...Have looked at history and will aim to restore your edits asap, prooably over the weekend..] 06:59, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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:That wasn't too painful, have now tried to restore the list with careful checking to avoid errors. I do try to make sure that any changes don't overwrite recent edits, but it went wrong that time. Did omit the link to Wallace and Gromit, apologies of that was your joke. As to separate lists, as discussed on the Scottish clan talk page this is a bit of a minefield, with Lord Lyon Court apparently not seeing any distinction. A quick google gave several pages, including one with the proud claim . Another case is Hamilton, who are a major lowlands family and also appear as a clan with territory in ], safely into the Highland area. Both have their tartans, of course. The column with (I'd suggest) H, L, H+L or L+H seemed a good compromise, still empty at the moment. Will try to have a look at this clan talk bit, ] 22:50, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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Since I asked the question I think I read that Wilberforce and some others were regular attenders at his church (perhaps members there, not sure if membership in a local church is possible in Anglicanism, but I guess they could have been pew-renters etc.--] 08:01, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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your stated almost two years ago that you needed a translation of janteloven. well, it happened to be in my calender so I will translate it for you, it might sound strange cause i'll try to do the translation as precise as possible.
The Jante Law
1. You shall not think, you are anything
2. You shall not think, that you are just as much as us
3. You shall not think, that you are wiser than us
4. You shall not delude yourself, that you are better than us
5. You shall not think, you know more than us
6. You shall not think, you are more than us
7. You shall not think, that you are (good/usefull) to anything
8. You shall not laugh at us
9. You shall not think, that anyone cares about you
10.You shall not think, that you can teach us anything
(notes: you can replace think with believe since both means "tro". But since it is my impression that "believe" is majorly a word used in fairy tales and religion, I'll go with "think". In verse 7 I had a problem with the word "dur" since it's un-translateable, atleast in one word, but I think "are usefull" is the best shot.. so, now... don't get to depressed.


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I wonder whether anyone can please help. I've been archiving some of the User Talk pages on William Wilberforce and, in trying to be clever and rename some of them, I appear to have lost two pages of the really old User Talk material going right back to about 2006 or possibly earlier. Do these still exist on the server, and is it possible to reconsitute them? I'd appreciate any help you could offer! Many thanks. Cheers, Bruce Agendum (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I should add that the Contents links on the main Talk page at Talk:William_Wilberforce no longer appear to work. I'm rather concerned that these pages should be rescued, if it's at all possible to do so. Thanks in advance.
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Looking now. I can't imagine any way that would cause the old archives to be unrecoverable, so I don't think you have anything to worry about. Perryprog (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks so much, Perryprog. That's so much better, and it's where I was rather clumsily hoping to end up. Really appreciate your help. Cheers, Bruce /Agendum (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Wilberforce's possible connection with sugar trade

For discussion of the Wilberforce family's possible connection with the sugar trade. Agendum (talk) 14:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, Bruce, but I've just read your reply on Slp1's talkpage and I don't know where to go from here. I have factual info that reflects on the Wilberforce family and may have influenced WW's early life, but I can't add it to his page on here because it's original !!! Nobody, except myself has published it; maybe nobody else has found it, or bothered to read it, or maybe they've thought it irrelevant. How can information that mentions Wilberforce, sugar and the Thornton family in the same breath not be relevant? Bryan Hamster622 (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. If you have further information I would certainly be personally interested in it, although (as I've said) it may not be relevant to the article (which is about William Wilberforce and his life and work). Do you have a reference to where you obtained this information – I think you mentioned Lambeth Archives, or somewhere like that?
It may be more appropriate to use the sugar trade information in the article about John Thornton, which is what I was going to suggest – now I've read more of your Hull website, it seems clear that this was definitely the same Thornton family, as the partner in that business seems to have been Samuel Watson, his father-in-law.
Slp1 (one of the major contributors to the Wilberforce article) has suggested that we move this discussion to the William Wilberforce talk page at Talk:William_Wilberforce – which seems a good idea (that I should have suggested in the first place). So, can we move our discussion there, please? I'm sorry to mess you about, Bryan!
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I've added back the big yellow boxes that were moved to the archive5 page for this article - they give permanently posted information about the article such as WikiProjects and article assessment and don't get moved over when everything else gets archived. Hog Farm Talk 13:15, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

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