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== Re: BHRM == | ||
| Everything shall be included, if that's what others want... Also, see my comment in ]. Δεν υπάρχει περίπτωση να είμαι "πολιτικά ορθός"... Ξαφνικά ζητάνε 'Βουλγάρικη μειονότητα'... Μετά την "Μακεδονική", Τουρκική, Ρουμανική, Αλβανική, Roma, κτλ... Ίσως να μιλήσουν και για Σερβική, Γκαγκαουζική (the laters were considered Greeks by the Turks, and now they claim them as "Orthodox Turks", huh?!), Αραβική ή μειονότητα των ]... I will do the same, if they insist... and be sure that i can source it... What they give, is what they get... Full stop! ] 03:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Tekleni. I'm not using a sockpuppet. I'm logged on to a wifi node at a local hotel, but I'm using my wikiedia account, so what's the problem?! ] 11:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==TRNC== | |||
| In my opinion, that's ok. ] 17:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Alright. Cheers ] | |||
| ==Sockpuppets?== | |||
| The maps were changed without discussion to a non-standard format. A change to the that format will have to be agreed more widely until they can be accepted. I am reverting the maps to the standard and widely-accepted format. ] 11:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If, as you claimed, ] and ] are both sockpuppets, then why did Craig Thomasian actually notify Hamparzoum about the Armenia poll (])? I think it's clear that Craig Thomasian is a real user. ] 10:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == thank you == | |||
| Fascinating, Tekleni, that a potential change is being discussed on that page. But until the use of non-standard maps showing position within one or other regional bloc has been broadly accepted, including by the editors of the pages of the relevant countries, the maps should stay as they were on 27 October. ] 12:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| thank you for the transl. --] 02:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Map == | |||
| ==Mediation== | |||
| That map stinks! What's so good about it?--] 23:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, Tekleni, this is just a reminder that your comments are appreciated at ]. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you! ] <small>(])</small> 01:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Cooperation board launched== | |||
| :It's more detailed - the rivers are visible etc.--] 23:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched ]. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! ] 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Location Maps == | |||
| :: So if I make a more detailed map with Armenia proudly in the center, there is no objection?--] 23:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::What does it mean proudly in the center? This is not an art show. The map that conforms to Misplaced Pages standards stays. Period.--] 23:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::It's what I call sockpuppetspeak and pathetic excuses for POV pushing.--] 23:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to ].<br/>New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the ''European continent'', and for countries of the ''European Union'' exist in two versions. From ], ] till ], ], a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.<br/>As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before ], ] a survey started that will be closed at ], ] 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.<br/>Please note that since ], ] all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of ], ] the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. The subsections on the talk page that had shown David Liuzzo's original maps, now show his most recent design.<br/>Please read the ] (also in other sections ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the ''']. You are invited''' to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.<br/>There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote ''for'' one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — ] <span style="font-size:.87em;">]] 20:38 (UTC)</span> | |||
| :::::The Article is about Armenia! Armenia is the center of attention and should be in the Center of the Map like it was before...--] 00:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Image copyright problem with Image:Kgligorov.gif== | |||
| ::::::So? Is ] at the center of the map? Is ] at the center of the map? What is this ''really'' about?--] 00:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :* That there is a ] on the image's description page for each article the image is used in. | |||
| ::::::: You tell me, you are the one supporting the change, when everyone was fine with the old map. Why do I care about the other places, let a Greek and an Estonian deal with those.--] 00:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :* That every article it is used on is linked to from its description page. | |||
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| ::::::::Are you Armenian? Can you speak the language? :p Or are you a sockpuppet of a certain ] who can't stand that map for ''other'' reasons we are all too familiar with.--] 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :::::::::Seems to me like you are evading the question. Yes, unlike some of the other users here I am full-blood Armenian, all four of my grandparents came to the U.K. at the turn of the previous century. As I last checked this is '''en.wikipedia.org'''--] 00:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::You don't speak Armenian therefore you are not Armenian :) Simple as that.--] 00:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::That's rich, just go ahead and disinfranchise half the Armenian population around the world--] 00:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::How can someone be disinfranchised if they are not part of the franchise to begin with? --] 00:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I particularily liked edit of yours (and the next). ] 00:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Shhhh.... we're not supposed to talk about that ;-) --] 00:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::You wrote that? Ah, I can see what is going on here, you must be a Turk!--] 00:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: :-) :-) :-) Caligvla, stop it now. I bet you're howling with laughter when you're typing this nonsense.--] 00:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::In Turkish your name would mean "focus on news" (haber + zoom). Tekleni, check mail, read, delete, format disk, throw away. ] 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I have read it. I'm just choosing not to answer ;-) --] 00:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Good, don't spoil the mystery. Did I miss anything? ] 00:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Of course you did.--] 00:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)(I've logged out now - don't expect a response for some time if you choose to reply) | |||
| :::::My name means Resurrection as in the Resurrection of Christ, someone you Turks could learn a lot from--] 00:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::How very racist of you, amot!--] 00:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Amot? Really now, it seems very clear you have the deep seeded amot issues Eupator, I am very proud of who I am!--] 04:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::] - I think it would be best is everyone stopped replying; can't you see it's pointless?--] 10:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Thanks, I noticed. Unfortunately, people might get mad if I semi-protect in a content dispute, ''plus''—even if I do, the anon can just log-in to one of his/her usernames. I'll fully protect it when things start to heat up again. <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 05:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry, couldn't resist . Feel free to revert if you find the addition not too relevant. :-) ] ] 09:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::By the way, why is your user page a self-redirect? You could just as well have it blank and still a bluelink. ] ] 09:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I was intending a redirect to my talk page.--] 10:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Hi == | |||
| I am very glad that you have shown interest. I am the vice-president of the Editura electronica armaneasca "Moscopole-Crushuva" (Aromanian electronic publisher) and am currently visiting my family in FYROM (Crushuva). Unfortunately, I do not live here so I am trying to keep up the Misplaced Pages and maintain a proper flow of articles and corrections. Unfortunately, the FYROMians keep changing things (according to their own liking, and not our language) so I am glad to have some help. Our publisher has members from every part in which the Aromanians live, but it seems that only I am the one working on everything. Quite hard...:) It's quite bad that the younger Aromanians don't speak this language, but I hoped that this Misplaced Pages might make them change their mind. There is a considerable number of visitors. | |||
| The view of any Aromanian is that he should be integrated into society wherever he is. We used to make many trials to make them speak up and claim their difference, but that wasn't possible. The Aromanians were, are and will be the most integrated community. | |||
| If you look at the language, it is of course close to Romanian. There is a beautiful explanation for this in a Greek book which you might be interested in reading: Grammatikh ths koinis Koutsovlaxikhs by N. Katsanis PhD and K. Dinas PhD where especially in the introduction are the most important parts considering the development of the Aromanian language. You cannot clasify the language as a dialect because: 1.the people have difference in the genetic code (they are not Romanians), 2. it has a greater Greek influence upon it, whereas Romanian has a significant Slavic influence, and 3. Aromanian always had it's centres south of Danube, and cannot be in any way connected with Romanian. What is similar is the common Latin basis. | |||
| If you want to classify Aromanians into a certain group you would have the most difficult task in the world. They are a mixture of the old peoples that lived in the Balkans: Thraco-Illyrians (Romanians came from Dacian tribes)-non Greek tribes and Thessalians and Epirotes-Greek tribes. So, if you speak of a quazi-national linguistic minority, you would not be correct as well. | |||
| Now, Aromanians (because of the difference in origin-different tribes and nations) have a difference in dialects. In the book I have mentioned above the author accepts the division between Northern and Southern. As there is no clear boundary, I would prefer using a different classification of dialects which we along with Dumitrachi T. Fundu PhD (president of EEA Moscopole-Crushuva), proposed: Moscopolitan dialect (from Moscopole:now spoken also in: Albania (Farsherot), Crushuva, Bitule + surrounding villages: Tarnuva, Magarova, Gopeshi etc.(FYROM-REIM), Sofia-Bulgaria and Belgrade-Serbia) and Grammostean dialect (from Grammos-Greece, along with the Pindus and Olympus dialect, now spoken in Greece + Shtip&Kumanovo region (FYROM) and Romania (Constanta, Bucharest etc.)). There were some commentaries for putting the Farsherot dialect in a separate group. Both the Moscopolitan and Grammostean dialect call their language (Aromanian) - armaneashce and themselves - Armanj(i=short Latin silent i). The Farsherots on the other hand have a slight difference in pronounciation of the AR-in Armanj. In fact they use another phoneme for this - the hard 'Rr'. In their dialect the dark vocal ã is closer to the darker "ë" found in Albanian. | |||
| We mentioned both cities in our name only to note the dialect we use. We have considered this a lot and believe that the dialect we have chosen represents best the Aromanian language following the peak of the Aromanian language and culture - Moscopole and the so-called second Moscopole -Crushuva. You might have heard that the Moscopole dialect represents also the pro-Greek fraction of Aromanians. This is true, we are Filohellenes visited the Greek schools and churches and maintained speaking Greek and Aromanian at home. | |||
| I hope this made things clearer now. Costandina Dica ] 13:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Armenia in Europe== | |||
| I am a member of the ] (Association of Members' Advocates) currently acting on behalf of ], who has named you as one of the participants in the dispute over whether Armenia is in Europe or Asia. Caligvla has listed a number of reference sources classifying Armenia as an Asian country. He claims that the only sources quoted by your side of the dispute are ''1.) an obsecure Canadian website that places Armenia in Europe, and a BBC article that mistakenly places Armenia in Europe.'' Can you please respond to this and give your side of the argument (preferably on my userpage)? Under the AMA principle of ], you have the right to be heard. (NB Copies of this message have been placed on the talkpage of all those who Caligvla has named as participants in the dispute.) ] 09:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for your response. I appreciate the fact that you have provided sources supporting your side of the dispute. As Armenia is a member of the Council of Europe, this indicates that politically they may be considered a part of Europe. It now appears to me that the weight of evidence is roughly equal on both sides. The trouble with the whole Misplaced Pages process is that, in almost all disputes, it is possible to locate sources to support both sides of the argument, which sends us 'back to square one' as far as the whole dispute-resolution process is concerned. The only solution I can see is to edit all the disputed articles to add something along the lines of: ''Some authorities consider Armenia an Asian country, due to its geographical position and the historical relationship of Armenians to Asian peoples. However, Armenia is part of the Council of Europe, and is now considered part of Europe for some purposes. Armenians themselves disagree about whether their country is Asian or European.'' Do you agree with this as an acceptable form of phrasing? ] 10:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == "Yup!"? == | |||
| What do you mean "Yup"? There's clearly no consensus on how the template should be laid out. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>''<font color="black">]</font>''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> | |||
| :There is a majority and a minority view though.--] 21:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Show me. Most of what I've been reading actually shows more people for everything being on one template. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>''<font color="black">]</font>''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 21:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Nuh-uh. Just because Wissahickon Creek was framed as being a sockpuppet of Bonaparte (do you know how many innocent users have been banned for being "Bonaparte"?) his opinion still counts? Why don't we ban all users who disagree with us for being "Bonaparte" (maybe I am also Bonaparte :p). Anyway, it'd be a shame to vandalise David Kernow's hard work on the new templates if there is no consensus to do so.--] 21:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::His opinion does ''not'' count. Banned users are not welcome to contribute and their contributions are considered null and void. Note how his support vote on my RfA has been struck out. — ] ] 21:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::It doesn't seem fair somehow :-( --] 22:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::It's ''especially'' fair. We cannot allow "votes" of banned users to be counted, nor can we allow sockpuppet "votes" to be included. Perhaps I should cultivate a sock farm to make my point? <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>''<font color="black">]</font>''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 00:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Armenia(continued)== | |||
| Tekleni, to the best of my knowledge you and Caligvla are both correct about the Council of Europe; Caligvla's right that it has nothing to do with the EU, while you're right that it has little to do with trade, being principally a diplomatic and human rights organisation. Anyway, returning to the proposed article changes; will you accept this sentence as a compromise: ''Armenia is situated at a cultural, historical, and religious intersection and located at the crossroads between Europe and Asia, in the southern Transcaucasus'', in lieu of this sentence in the Armenia article: ''Culturally, historically and politically Armenia is considered part of Europe''. Caligvla has stated that he will support this change. I'm not trying to promote a POV, but to establish a constructive consensus; that's my job as an advocate. ] 17.42, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Mediation== | |||
| Hello! You've been mentioned as a potential participant in a dispute regarding the article ]. Please review the ] and discussion, and feel free to participate if you feel it is appropriate. If not, your comments would still be appreciated. Thank you, and please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. ] <small>(])</small> 02:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Armenia straw poll== | |||
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| ] has agreed to the compromise I outlined on his talk page, which is that the sentence ''Armenia is situated at a cultural, historical, and religious intersection and located at the crossroads between Europe and Asia, in the southern Caucasus'' will be an acceptable replacement for ''Culturally, historically and politically Armenia is considered part of Europe'', as long as we also continue to include the sentence about Armenia being a transcontinental nation. ] has declined to accept this compromise. I have now opened a ] on this issue on my talk page. Please add your comments supporting or opposing the proposed change. ] 09:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Re: BHRM
Everything shall be included, if that's what others want... Also, see my comment in Template talk:Turkic-speaking. Δεν υπάρχει περίπτωση να είμαι "πολιτικά ορθός"... Ξαφνικά ζητάνε 'Βουλγάρικη μειονότητα'... Μετά την "Μακεδονική", Τουρκική, Ρουμανική, Αλβανική, Roma, κτλ... Ίσως να μιλήσουν και για Σερβική, Γκαγκαουζική (the laters were considered Greeks by the Turks, and now they claim them as "Orthodox Turks", huh?!), Αραβική ή μειονότητα των Elves... I will do the same, if they insist... and be sure that i can source it... What they give, is what they get... Full stop! Hectorian 03:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
TRNC
In my opinion, that's ok. E104421 17:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Alright. Cheers E104421
Sockpuppets?
If, as you claimed, User:Craig Thomasian and User:Hamparzoum are both sockpuppets, then why did Craig Thomasian actually notify Hamparzoum about the Armenia poll (User talk:Hamparzoum)? I think it's clear that Craig Thomasian is a real user. Walton monarchist89 10:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thank you
thank you for the transl. --VKokielov 02:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Mediation
Hello, Tekleni, this is just a reminder that your comments are appreciated at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Transnistrian referendum, 2006. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Cooperation board launched
A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Location Maps
On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to Location Maps for European countries.
New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.
Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. The subsections on the talk page that had shown David Liuzzo's original maps, now show his most recent design.
Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 7 Feb2007 20:38 (UTC)
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