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	Why are there Hindustani actors on this article? Why aren't their Pakhtun celeberteis why these Bollywood "Pathans" are on the Pashtun page? What do they have to do with us? Who is Sharukh Khan Fardeen Khan Chengez Khan ? They are Pashtun based on WHAT? Who is running this article now Parsiwans and Indians? Take this garbage off and put some real Pashtuns like Bacha Khan Achkazai Ghani Khan Shinwari Baba Khyal Mohammad Sardar Ali Nashenas real Pakhtuns take these fake Hindustanis OUT!!!! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 08:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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	I am Pashtun from Kandahar, Afghanistan, and I am the one who added Indian celebrities to Pashtuns article because they are Pashtuns by blood. This is not about who you like or who you don't like. It's about who is Pashtun and who isn't. You may add all the Pashtuns of the world but you must not delete people who you might not like. Sharukh Khan, Salman Khan, Amir Khan, Fardeen Khan, Feroz Khan and many other Khans are all Pashtuns from their father's side. In fact, they are all "Afghans", which is the name their ancestors called themselves. If my son is born in USA...does that make him no longer Pashtun? will my son be considered a white American? The fact is that everyone who knows those Indian movie actors also know that they are Afghans. Pashtuns, Pathans, Afghans are all the same people, it depends what name you call yourself.
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			== Edits to religion in the infobox ==
	The word or name "Afghanistan" appeared in the memoirs of ], Dated: 1525 A.D. "...In the country of Kābul there are many and various tribes. Its valleys and plains are inhabited by Tūrks, Aimāks, and Arabs. In the city and the greater part of the villages, the population consists of Tājiks (Rats). Many other of the villages and districts are occupied by Pashāis, Parāchis, Tājiks, Berekis, and '''Afghans'''. In the hill-country to the west, reside the Hazāras and Nukderis. Among the Hazāra and Nukderi tribes, there are some who speak the Moghul language. In the hill-country to the north-east lies Kaferistān, such as Kattor and Gebrek. '''<u>To the south is Afghanistān</u>'''. There are eleven or twelve different languages spoken in Kābul: Arabic, Persian, Tūrki, Moghuli, Hindi, '''Afghani''', Pashāi, Parāchi, Geberi, Bereki, and Lamghāni. ..."''

			The current religion section in the infobox includes Shias, Sikhs, and Hindus as Pashtun minorities. The supposed Hindu Pashtuns seem to be an isolated group of a few people who live in India, while the Sikh Pashtuns seem to be a few hundred people in Pakistan. Neither of these groups warrant inclusion in the infobox, as including them presents a misleading image of these groups being significant minorities among Pashtuns. You can find small groups of any religion among most ethnic groups. To compare to other groups - Kazakhs have about 40k Christians according to their Wiki page (a much greater proportion compared to the proportions of Sikhs/Hindu Pashtuns), yet their infobox simply says "predominantly Islam" for religion. Tajiks have 2,600 Christians according to their Wiki page, but the religion infobox lists only Sunni and Shia Islam. Uzbeks have 7k Zoroastrians, but the infobox simply lists "predominantly Sunni Islam".
	That explains that in the past (at least in 1500s and onwards) Pashtuns were called "Afghans"...the area in which Pashtuns lived was called "Afghanistan" and the language they spoke was called "Afghani". ] November 5, 2006

			That said, these groups are notable enough to remain in the article in the religion section, though not in the infobox. I propose changing the infobox to simply list "predominantly Islam", which covers probably about 99.99% of Pashtuns. ] (]) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
	::::Blood is irrelevent to the matters of Pashtuns. There is no evidence that Pashtun decent from one single common ancestor. If you were to believe the lingage of Qais, then according to that Sajra Durranis, and all other Afghan tribes are Afghans while the hill tribes are of Pakhtun stock. The Karlanris can not be linked with the rest of Qais sons, therefore the Karlanris are the original Pakhtuns while the later, sons of prince Afghana are Jews or bani-Israeli. Bring me the Sajra-i-Afghan and I can prove it to you. It is in the articles of the Afghan Chronicles that Karlnaris are adopted, hence are not of the same stock. ----The reason why I am bring this up is to you prove to you from your own sources that Pakhtuns can not be labeled just by blood. By blood they can be from any forefather. Pakhtuns or ethnic Afghans are distinguished by their cultural treats. Dilip Kumar, Sharukh Khan, Amir Khan, Fardeen Khan, Salman Khan practice the lifestyle of Hindustanis, therefore they are Hindustanis and not Pashtuns,Pathans, or Afghans. If your son is born in America, and he speaks the language of the white man, he lives according to the standards of the white man, and he is provide to be A WHITE MAN, then he is a white man. Pakhtun/Afghan are an ethno-linguist group, they are not a RACE, RACE is a falwed concept. It's not about liking or dislinking, its about facts. All Hindustani "Pathans" don't speak, practice, or live by Pakhto or Pakhtunwali. They do not recongize Afghanyat, hence they are of Hindustani origins. I have met Dilip Kumar and there is nothing Afghan/Pakhtun about him, nor does he cares. Sharukh Khan, Saif Ali Khan, Amir Khan, Ferdan Khan and all these other Khans are not proven Pathan/Afghans/Pakhtuns neither by blood, language, heritage, or culture. It is you who like them to be Afghans and Pakhtuns because they have the name KHAN. Sharukh Khan is a Hindkowal, so is Dilip Kumar, the father of Saif Ali Khan is a Nawab some claim to be Moghul, Ferdan Khan father might speak KOCHAAA and LOYE SHAY in hindi movies but that doesn't make him an Afghan or Pakhtun. I suggest you look up ETHNICITY before you asscoiate Bollywood stars with a qoom that has nothing to do with them. They might share our genetics, but they do not represent us or have a common goal with us. They are HINDUSTANI. If there are those who are Pakistani, then they are PAKISTANI, and if there are those who are AFGHANISTANI, then they are AFGHANISTANI. These people are repsetives of these nations, not of the ethnicity Afghan or Pakhtun. However if you want them up there fine but how come not a single real Pakhtun celebrity or someone like Bacha Khan is not up there? Why these servants of other nations are being flaunted on a page about Pashtuns who can't even speak or pronounce PAKHTUN OR PAKHTO without coughing??? ] 04:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

			== Sourced material removing reasons ==
	::I agree with ]. I even took the liberty to provide reference to prove that ] and ] (Yusuf Khan) are Pashtuns. Please read the following ]: and . According to another reference, , there are 11,703,000 Pashtuns in ], 776,000 of them speaking ] and ]. Including images of Pashtuns from the three major countries (Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India) where they are found gives Pashtuns from these areas representation in the article. Thanks for sharing your knowledge ]. It is very much appreciated. I hope this helps. --]<sup>]</sup> 18:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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	::: I agree with the creator of this discussion. There should be pictures of people who are important to Pashtun identity. I don't see the importance of Bollywood actors to Pashtun identity, unless their movies have something to do with Pashtun identity or they promote Pashtun identity. I don't know much about these actors, but they should have something to do with Pashtun identity/language/culture. ] 05:37, 6
			Dear user, now you express your logical and reasonable reasons regarding the removal of sourced material in the article. Thank you! ] (]) 05:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
	November 2006 (UTC)

			:@] As I said, any further reverts would see an ANI report against you, which ]. It was up to you to discuss your edits a long time ago per ].
	I am totally confused with ]'s statements...not making any sense to me. I assume what User:Sync2k5 is trying to say is that Pashtuns living in Pakistan should no longer be considered
			:Britannica is not WP:RS. ] (]) 05:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
	Pashtuns because they adopted a new country, new language (Urdu) and new way of life (Pakistani lifestyle). Well, I am not going to argue over these issues...have it his or her's way. I strongly believe that Pashtuns are recognized by their blood and not by their language or lifestyle. We can't refuse someone's ethnic background simply because they adopted a new language or new way of lifestyle.
			::{{ping\|Noorullah21}}
			::You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now. Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.
			::And I shouldn't stop editing, which is reasonable and legal by your faulty warning (any further reverts would see an ANI report against you). I have the same right to edit as you do and you should not behave like an administrator. Thank you! ] (]) 08:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::'''“You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now”'''
			:::He had every right to revert you and take this to ANI when you didn’t stop edit warring. Per WP:ONUS, the burden is on you to attain consensus. You were supposed to cease from reverting to your preferred edit and take this to the talk page.
			:::“The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.”
			:::]
			:::That means you in this case. Your trying to add content that got disputed by another editor, which means YOU have to build consensus, not Noorullah
			:::'''“ Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.'''”
			:::Respectfully, It doesn’t seem that you have a good grasp on how consensus works. You can’t just declare consensus because you think you’re right. You need to actually build it by discussing with the community.
			:::So far you’ve been reverted by multiple editors, and nobody has come forward to support your position. That means you are far from reaching consensus.
			:::For now you need to refrain from reverting and attempt to gain consensus through discussion here in the talk page. ] (]) 09:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Kushan not sakas ==
	I am Pashtun and I don't think I need to listen to or read from NON-pashtuns what they say or write about us. Because most NON-pashtuns are totally clueless about Pashtuns. As you can see this other person by the name of User:Tajik-afghan\|Parsiwan, who is obviously NON-pashtun, stateting that he doesn't see importance of Bollywood actors. First of all...being a Bollywood actor is a profession or a job title...not a lifestyle. We all know that movies are unreal and fake, especially Bollywood movies. It's a form of entertainment for others. And even if we were to some how include or use the Bollywood movie lifestyle with Pashtun lifestyle...it's pretty much the same, except for the language and religion, although in many Bollywood movies Islam does exist. You have to be Pashtun and someone who watched lots of Bollywood movies to know this. Question: How many Pashtuns could there be in the world who don't watch or enjoy Bollywood movies? or who don't know about Sharukh Khan and others?

			The description of fall of the greko bactrians are for yuezhi tribes which strapo mistook for sakas. You can furthur read on yuezhi and kushan empire pages. This is an important mistake that should be fixed. ] (]) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
	If we decide and say Sharukh Khan and others are not Pashtuns and they don't belong in Pashtun article...then in which Ethnic groups will they be included? will Hindus write about Sharukh Khan being a Hindu by Ethnics in their article? I don't think they will, because they will determine and say he is not Hindu by Ethnics...therfore, doesn't belong in their Hindu article. I just want to make it clear and easy for everyone....anyone who's parents were Pashtuns should be included in this article, especially their father's side and regardless of where on earth they live, what work they do or what language they now speak. We need to focus on all types of Pashtuns and explain about them. I also want to add image of ], who was born in France to an Afghan father and an Italian mother. This makes him Ethnically Pashtun and I'm sure he thinks the same way, although his heritage is of Pashtun and Italian both. In America...the Americans usually call themselves Irish-Americans, Afro-Americans, Scottish-Americans, English-Americans, Italian-Americans, Greek-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Afghan-Americans and etc., even if their ancestors settled in USA 100s of years ago and intermarried with other different Ethnic groups...they still represent or use their true heritage by placing it before the word "American". This practice is very common in America.

			== Regarding the 1964 identity change ==
	Now we go to Pakistan...if an Afghan is born in Pakistan, they are still citizen and native of Afghanistan...that's Pakistan's law we are dealing with. So let's assume Sharukh Khan's father was Afghan refugee but Sharukh was born in Pakistan and now his son was also born in Pakistan later...that would mean Sharukh Khan's father, Sharukh Khan and his son are all Afghans, even if they were to speak 100% Urdu and live the Pakistani lifestyle. You see you all the confusion?

			Hi all, I was reading the intro section and read this section "They historically were also referred to as Afghans until 1964 after the term's meaning had become a demonym for members of all ethnic groups in Afghanistan"
	Besides all this argument...there are nearly 2 billion people in the world who watch Bollywood movies and know the actors as Pashtuns, Pathans or Afghans...and it's going to be very difficult to convince these 2 billion people to say or claim Sharukh Khan and others are not Pashtuns, Pathans or Afghans. ] November 7, 2006

			This part seems strange to me. They were Ethnic Afghans in 1963 and lost that identity in 1964? Did no Pashtun outside of Afghanistan call themself Afghan after 1964?
	:In ], ethnic Pushtuns who also speak ] are considered ]. There are many Pushtun tribes that have settled in different parts of ]]Soth Asia]] over generations and have adopted the local languages and culture and thus have became part of that ethnic group. By some estimates nearly 25% of ] people are ethnic Pushtuns that have adopted ] language and intermarried with other ] over the centuries. Nearly 45 million people in ] claiming ] although they are now part of English speaking Americans. They are also not considered Germans since they don't speak German. The people who don't speak Pashtun and claiming to have Pashtun ancestory cannot be classified as Pashtuns. I think that the Pashtun are ethnic Pushtuns who also speak ] and may include their first generation children. If they and their parents don't speak Pushtun then they are longer ethnic Pashtun though they can claim Pastun ancestry.
			Are there any other cases of an ethnicities identity changing in the space of a year? ] (]) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
	:] 12:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

	== ATTENTION!!! There are 2 Pashtun articles. ] and ] ==

	There are 2 Pashtun articles. ] and ]

	I don't know how this happened, but this needs to be fixed immediatly or it will cause major problems! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 07:10, 22 October 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

	:Thanks, I've fixed it now. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 18:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

	::Thank you very much. But, Sorry for asking, but just to be sure, did you add the changes from the ] article to the ] article. Because I remember a few people made some changes to the ] article. --] 17:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

	:::The only changes were (which was made here), , and (which was made here as well). <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 03:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

	::::Great! Nice work. Thank you. ''Issue solved''. ] 07:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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Edits to religion in the infobox

The current religion section in the infobox includes Shias, Sikhs, and Hindus as Pashtun minorities. The supposed Hindu Pashtuns seem to be an isolated group of a few people who live in India, while the Sikh Pashtuns seem to be a few hundred people in Pakistan. Neither of these groups warrant inclusion in the infobox, as including them presents a misleading image of these groups being significant minorities among Pashtuns. You can find small groups of any religion among most ethnic groups. To compare to other groups - Kazakhs have about 40k Christians according to their Wiki page (a much greater proportion compared to the proportions of Sikhs/Hindu Pashtuns), yet their infobox simply says "predominantly Islam" for religion. Tajiks have 2,600 Christians according to their Wiki page, but the religion infobox lists only Sunni and Shia Islam. Uzbeks have 7k Zoroastrians, but the infobox simply lists "predominantly Sunni Islam".

That said, these groups are notable enough to remain in the article in the religion section, though not in the infobox. I propose changing the infobox to simply list "predominantly Islam", which covers probably about 99.99% of Pashtuns. PatriarchMacbeth (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Sourced material removing reasons

@Noorullah21: Dear user, now you express your logical and reasonable reasons regarding the removal of sourced material in the article. Thank you! Nooritahir734 (talk) 05:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nooritahir734 As I said, any further reverts would see an ANI report against you, which has been done. It was up to you to discuss your edits a long time ago per WP:ONUS.

Britannica is not WP:RS. Noorullah (talk) 05:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Noorullah21:

You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now. Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.

And I shouldn't stop editing, which is reasonable and legal by your faulty warning (any further reverts would see an ANI report against you). I have the same right to edit as you do and you should not behave like an administrator. Thank you! Nooritahir734 (talk) 08:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

“You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now”

He had every right to revert you and take this to ANI when you didn’t stop edit warring. Per WP:ONUS, the burden is on you to attain consensus. You were supposed to cease from reverting to your preferred edit and take this to the talk page.

“The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.”

Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion

That means you in this case. Your trying to add content that got disputed by another editor, which means YOU have to build consensus, not Noorullah

“ Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.”

Respectfully, It doesn’t seem that you have a good grasp on how consensus works. You can’t just declare consensus because you think you’re right. You need to actually build it by discussing with the community.

So far you’ve been reverted by multiple editors, and nobody has come forward to support your position. That means you are far from reaching consensus.

For now you need to refrain from reverting and attempt to gain consensus through discussion here in the talk page. Someguywhosbored (talk) 09:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Kushan not sakas

The description of fall of the greko bactrians are for yuezhi tribes which strapo mistook for sakas. You can furthur read on yuezhi and kushan empire pages. This is an important mistake that should be fixed. 178.232.246.100 (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the 1964 identity change

Hi all, I was reading the intro section and read this section "They historically were also referred to as Afghans until 1964 after the term's meaning had become a demonym for members of all ethnic groups in Afghanistan"

This part seems strange to me. They were Ethnic Afghans in 1963 and lost that identity in 1964? Did no Pashtun outside of Afghanistan call themself Afghan after 1964? Are there any other cases of an ethnicities identity changing in the space of a year? 2A02:C7C:640:9F00:D07A:203:BB7A:F178 (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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