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| == Reply == | |||
| Have you looked at the current state of the the article ]?? and pls also have a look at its talk page ]... I rewrote it and enriched it, and there is also a comment by the guy who created the article user:Fedayee who confirmed that it was nice editing.. This deletion that u mentioned ONLY took place because I am new to Misplaced Pages and I didn't have much experience on how editing works.. The current state of the article CLEARLY shows this, that part of the article is still there and it has much more clarity... I have also copy-edited the ] article from TOP to BOTTOM, something nobody was willing to do for AGES, if you have any evidence of bias there, pls feel free to change it... Pls stop trolling.. I have lived in Turkey, the US and France (still there) during my life, I went to schools that 99 percent of the people of this world doesn't have the luck to go and I speak three languages fluently, the Hagia Sophia picture definitely DIDN'T piss me off, in fact I see it as a good evidence of how intertwined Turkish and Greek cultures are, and as such, a wealth to be cherished, when I saw the picture, that's not at all what I was thinking, that kind of animosity belongs in the past... ANYONE, Turkish, Greek, French, Russian etc. that puts so many quotes about the greatness of his country is a nationalist, if you can point me to a Turk that has so many quotes on his page, I give you my WORD that I will write on his page exactly what I just wrote. I have not claimed to be the unique (or any) example of democracy and never will... And please let's not skirt the issue, being democratic doesn't mean blindly accepting every political claim of grievance put forward for the sake of political correctness.. You have still not been able to anwser my posts in the talk page... If, for one reason or the other, you got some beef with the Young Turks, pls keep it to yourself UNLESS you got the proof to back it up.. I have not even mentioned or defended, or attacked the Young Turks in any of my postings, where did this come from???? I most probably know about the atrocities that the Young Turks have committed or influenced much more than you do, I have made extensive research on European legal history, as I said I am an international lawyer, I have read hundreds of thousands of pages concerning history, law and philosophy to this day. As i said, again, you don't know me, you don't know what i do in life and you don't know what experiences I had in life to this point.. If you are assuming that all Turks are chauvinistic nationalists, than u r wrong and that's not cool; if u don't however, pls act accordingly.. What I am saying is, however, that allegations have to be substantiated... But, I am definitely someone to lay down and give people free reign to settle old scores on the other hand, FYI.. If there is enough PROOF of anything, I WILL believe it.. I am an atheist and I believe that the only valid form of proof is the scientific one, and as such, claims have to be proven using the Scientific Method.. Why don't u spend your time trying to answer my posts rather than engaging in ad hominim attacks?? Regards.. | |||
| Note: Look, I don't want to create animosity, if I did so, I apologize.. I didn't mean to offend u or anyone... But the inaction on this issue has pushed me over the edge.. If we (or other editors that have shown and interest in this page) cannot engage in a constructive dialogue, I will definitely seek outside help.. ] 23:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| BTW, as for the quotes, I have said nothing about them or their authors, I don't think that they are Greek nationalists nor do I think that the content of the quotes are incorrect, quite the contrary actually... I repeat again, I don't think that this issue is a who-is-better issue, it only gives me pleasure that such rich cultures have existed and continue to exist in our planet.. What I am SAYING, however, is the EXCESSIVE USE of such quotes by ANYONE about their country would be nationalistic behaviour, that's all. Pls don't try to portray me as a Greek-hater (culturally or individually)] 23:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == tourkika onomata == | |||
| to tourkiko onoma den xreiazetai. kai an xreiazetai anikei sto keimeno tis istorias. | |||
| ase ta paidiarismata kai apanta. | |||
| :Afto pou toso polu zitouses (kai oloi mas pistevo) exei ginei. an synexiseis tha allaksei... gi' auto, oso mporw, den tha se afisw na synexiseis. Clear enough? --] 17:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| gia thimise mou ti sou zitisa, giati me exete mperdepsei me allon. ] 17:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Kaneis den se exei mperdepsei... dimiourgises afto to username otan to 'mywayyy' eixe faei ban. eixes pei loipon, pws oso den einai to elliniko onoma stin Poli, tha svineis ta tourkika. twra einai (kai pistepse me, oxi xaris esena...). den exeis logo gia reverts twra... lypamai, alla xanaskepsou to. --] 17:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| gia koita pote dimiourgithike to diko mou kai pote tou myway pou les. ] 17:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :den apantas se afto pou eipa... --] 17:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| den eimai o myway, to katalavaineis i exei proksenithei vlavi ston egkefalo sou? ] 17:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :pes o,ti thes... den tha ginei 'your way'... Proswpika, den yparxei periptwsi na riskarw to arthro gia tin Poli! --] 17:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| tin alitheia sou leo, s'aresei, de s'aresei. kai ti ennoeis na diakindineuseis to arthro gia ti poli? ] 18:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Variemai na exigw ta idia pragmata xana kai xana stous idious anthrwpous... Diavase to arthro pou sou eipe o Future Perfect at Sunrise, den ta talk kai tis history twn arthrwn kai vgale ta symberasmata sou... --] 18:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| tha mou eksigiseis? giati den eimai. an variesai na min epemvaineis allios katevase to teamspeak gia na milisoume me ixo kai xoris paparies. ] 18:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| == Πριγκηπονήσια == | |||
| Hey man, could you do me a favor and add the Greek names to ], ], and ]? BTW, I noticed you conversation above, I laughed at the part where you said: " den tha ginei 'your way' ". :p —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Current Misplaced Pages convention is to use a few more "y"s in such cases though. :-D But apparently it wasn't actually himmm. ] ] 16:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Peter Daicos== | |||
| Hello. I have noticed you have reverted Peter Daicos to Greek rather than Macedonian, without giving your reason why. It is my understanding that he is Macedonian. 1) He was known as the "Macedonian" not "Greek" marvel. 2) I have a Macedonian friend who has told me that "Daicos" is indeed a Macedonian name. 3) This link states that he is Macedonian . If you do have proof that he is Greek, not Macedonian, please provide alink to it so this issue can be resolved. Please feel free to contact me and explain your reasons for reverting it. Cheers. ] 12:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Well I have done a little research and I did find that his parents emmigrated from ] which is in the FYROM . There is a link here that states that he came from a "Peter grew up in a typically patriotic Macedonian house hold in Melbourne" Having thought about it though, if you are right and he does have Grrek origins in him too, I see no harm in adding him to both Greek and Macedonian as well. If you look at a lot of artcles, you'll see that many people are of more than one nationality (eg, Nicloe Kidman is categorised asd Irish-Australian, Scottish-Australian, etc). I suppose if we want to be technical, he's not really Greek or Macedonian, he's Australian, lol. But it's up to you if you want to add him to Greek as well if you feel he has Greek origins. I personally have no arguement to it. ] 22:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry about that post. I have gotten rid of it. I tried to edit it before you read it, but you beat me to it, lol. Please find the above one. I don't mean to claim Grrece are racist in the slightest. ] 22:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Actually if you look in this link in paragraph 10 it states the following, (The media were clamouring to find out more about this teenage prodigy. "Did he play soccer as a kid seeing as he was of a non-angloceltic background?" No. "Was he proud of his Greek background?" Hey! Just wait a minute there...I am MACEDONIAN....not Greek!") ] 22:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I don't know if you're sure about his Greek origins because in that same paragraph, he also states he's from Macedonian origin and nothing else. Please read it and tell me what you think. ] 22:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I'm sorry too, but if that interview is true and he did say "I'm Macedonian not Greek" and thast is really how the nickname started, then it is surely appropriate to call him Macedonian. I can't confirm it as I was too youngf to remember. I do remember my Macedonian friends being very proud of him (the Collingwood supporters anyway!). ] 23:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I think that is an indication of some Greek origins in him, but remember Lou Richards is also there and you'd hardly think of him as Greek, but yet he has Greek origins FAR back. If you're angry with me, I don't understand. I did stae if that's the proof you needed, then you can add him to Greek as well. But my links do have a legitimate CLAIM (not, fact) to a Macedonian upbringing. If you want to add him to Greek, you can (please add your links there as well). But fore the moment don't remove him from Macedonian. Cheers ] 23:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| No I'm certainly not trying to hijack. AS you say, the link I posted may be biased. I'm not sure how old you are or if you have any friends that are older that could remember the interview when it happened. However, we can't just assume they're lying because they are American-Macedonian. For all we know, he may have said those words and we can't dismiss them as lies until we see proof that it did actually happen. He may (I'm not sure) have been accepted into the Greek team because realistically there is not enough players from Macedonian origin to make a Macedonian team of the century. I don't know really. Maybe he has maybe he hasn't, but the link I added is proof we should not remove him from the Macedonian link as of yet as it does make a claim. I'll agree it needs verification and I'm looking. The AFL awarded the Greek team of the century, yet it was the first link I sent you that stated he was Macedonian as does this one . The AFL have obviously made a mistake somewhere as they're contradicting themselves. I'm not sure who is right honestly. But at the time there is not enough proof to 100% deny he was Macedonian. I have been looking and frankly I've found some really nasty articles from both sides debating his herritage. Personally I don't like it, but like you, I want to know what the truth is. I can't see this being settled until we find out from him personally. I'd say we continue searching for interviews from him that may say what nationality he is. It's really only him that can say if he's Macedonian or Greek, no-one else (unlike some forums who have been claiming). At the moments there are both points for Greek and Macedonian so I don't think either of us should remove him from Greek or Macedonian topics at the present time. I'll keep looking for the time being. Cheers ] 23:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please do not remove him from the Macedonian links. I have not edited him from the Greek links. Your claims are just as legetimate as mine. Like I said these link s, (wheither you think is biased or not) ARE legetimate claims (there is no proof it is not true). It is a legitimatable for being Macedonian, just like your claims of Greek are. You can't just use the Grrek team of the century link and claim mine is not legitimate. Unless you wish to remove your Greek claims, do not remove mine. ] 00:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Like I was saying, your links is the AFL (which also claims he is Macedonian (see link above). You can not say that everything points to him being Greek simply because he was accepted in. You have no proof that the link is biased and it DOES (wheither you like it or not) lay a legetimate claim and therefore has as much right to claim him as Macedonian. No offence, but saying it's biased simply because Macedonians wrote it does seem racist. It was not written by forum people, but a proper sports writer. The link that preceds it does not and it claims he is Macedonian. This is enough to lay a claim as being Macedonian. It seems to me that you think only your links count. So far my link is the only one that gives a reason for the 'Macedonian Marvel' origin. Please do not revert them until you have proper proof. As for now leave him on both Greek and Macedonian links. ] 00:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| As from your FYRM link, that was obviously written by a Greek. I mean come on. No I will not quit as I have a legitimate claim to it as you do. ] 00:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| No-one's calling you a racist, but it does seem unfair that you claim it as biased, when that was ONE opinion from the FYRM website (which was most likely not written by a Macedonian). I have seen plenty of forums where that type of thing has happened eg, here [http://www.psynews.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t14330.html | |||
| ]. You claim as him being accepted into the team because he was proud to be Greek. If he was so proud, you would think we would have been called the Greek marvel? Most Australians are more aware of Greece. So it seems to me perfectly legitimate article. It seem that you are being more close minded than me. The link IS a legetimate article. If it was from a forum of Greek or Macedonian then I'd claim it as not reliable enough. This was from a person who made a collingwood website. I have this book called The Complete Guide To Australian Football by Ken Piesses 1993. And on page 75 he is quoted as "so many people thought I was Greek and had a soccer background. It came to a surprise that I was not only Macedonian, but football was always a big part in my life". I have not referenced it as I can not show the book here. You can revert as much as you like. Being in that the next 24 hours you will revert it next, then me, it seems like you will be the first to the 3 revert rule and mine will be the one that stays. You told me yourself that forums should not count. And simply being accepted into a Greek team in NOT justafiable enough to claim he was EXCLUSIVELY Macedonian. I have accepoted the fact that he MAY have been, but as my link proves, he has a legetimate claim to being Macedonian too. ] 00:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I have claimed why not being named in the Greek team is not legitimate enough to claim him as Greek. Australians have represented Britain in eurovision. Israel which is nowhere near europe is in there. Gavin Waggadeen is concidered an Aboriginal, despite the fact that his mother is 100% white. Lou Richards MOTHER is Greek, not his father, yet he is allowed in the team. There are no Macedonian team of the centruy and Daicos may have felt left out if he wasn't included. Also when he was younger, he would have been likely to deny being called Greek (so why I believe that interview is true), but as he is much older and mature now that he's is been accepted into the Greek team, he feels less sensitive about it. It just seems like you think my link is rubbish and therefore removing him from Macedonian links as you don't think it's legitimate enough. I don't think yours are rubbish, but I don't think they're legitimate enough, but I don't remove him from Greek links as I think there are clkaims for both. It just seems that you've got it in your head and that greek and that's it, where I'm concerned about the truth and won't refer to as exclusively Greek or Macedonian for the moment. You say that I can not claim until I have more proof. I think you don't have enough evidence to claim and that's why I think you should leave him on both before you get more confirmation. I think you should keep looking and find more evidence. I am also looking for evidence for him being Greek, not just Macedonian to find a legitimate claim. So far I have found nothing (except the so called biased link) to claim either side. Therefore I think he should be classified as both. For now... ] 00:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I did not call you a racist, I simply said assuming something written by a Macedonian is biased, SEEMS racist. ] 01:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I did give you references. You just didn't want to accept them. And it's no more calling you racist than you claim those papers were. You're practically calling them racists. You can revert as much as you like. I will always revert them back. SOME Greek origins does not make you 100% Greek by the way. You have not shown one link that has claimed that he was nominated because he was Greek. I have notified collingwood football club and are awaitning their response. Until then, I see no further point in debating it with you, because you're obviously set in your ways. I'll just keep reverting until I get a responce. ] 01:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I did recogise my mistaske by putting him off Greek Australians. You will notice I have not removed him since. But like I said, I really don't want to discuss it at the moment. I'm just going to get a responce from Collingwood and keep searching the net. There has to be a place where his heritage is clearly stated. Until then as far as I'm concerned, nothing's certain.] 01:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Trabzon == | |||
| Personally, I think the English names should be bolded and not the Greek ones, because this English Misplaced Pages. "Trebizond" is the most common former name, I guess it's sorta like "Constantinople" or "Smyrna", right? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Alright, sounds good to me. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::BTW, I added some information about the islands of ]. Do you know anything about them? Apparently Yeşilada (meaning "Green Island", formerly known as Nis) was home to a Greek community that lived in stone and timber houses until 1923. Is "Nis" the Greek name? | |||
| ::Also, the article says that the former Greek name for the lake is Akrotiri. How do you say that in Greeek? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I thought you might be interested. BTW, to show you my impressive knowledge of Greek, <s>"Ayastefanos"</s> "Aghios Stephanos" means "]", right? :D I know this because of the ] article. Also according to the ] article the English word originally comes from the Greek one. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 02:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Arrrghhhh, ''so'' close.. :p —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 02:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Efxaristome Hectorian. Afto ] ennie trello. Degzero ti theli. ] 02:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::By the way, this is my favorite quote of ALL TIME; "Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks." Sir Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - but I always thought it was "Warriors" instead of Heroes ] 02:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == E-mail == | |||
| Su eho stili duo e-mail. --] 12:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Get on gmail. :) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 18:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Source== | |||
| Ok, you are right, sorry... ] 21:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Ok, promise.. Otherwise I hope that u r having a nice weekend.cheers.. ] 21:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Hey == | == Hey == | ||
| Welcome back my friend. :-) <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 00:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :BTW, what do you think of ? Was I right in reverting? <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 23:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Xairete. Min me pareksigeis alla den skopeuo na xariso kastana stous tourkous edo pera. Einai os epi to pleiston amorfotoi trampoukoi me ethnikes anasfaleies. Ta perissotera arthra grammena apo tourkous einai pragmatika akros ntropiastika gia tin wikipedia, kai to POV tous ksepernaei kathe orio, me apokoryfoma tin metonomasia tis proteuousas tis Othomanikis autokratorias apo Konstantinoupoli se Istanbul (koita tis malakies grammenes sto proto). O monos logos gia ton opoion ta geleia arhtra tous paramenoun anepafa, einai oti kanenas den deixnei to paramikro endiaferon gia ton aksesto lao tous. Den prokeitai na afiso auton ton pseutokritiko na grapsei to makri tou kai to konto tou gia tin Kriti. ] 11:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, what's up.. Happy new year to you too! I am sorry for the edit summary. I was just coming out of another stressful debate somewhere else... In any case, it doesn't matter either way for me for the Turkish diaspora thing. As for Hagia Sophia and Sinan, I see what you mean. I only thought that it would unbalance the article. Anyways, talk to you soon! ] 00:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Done, although he's still ... ;-) <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 00:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Ανέλαβα την πρωτοβουλία για τη δημιουργία του ως άνω project! Στη σελίδα διαλόγου του project (]) θα δεις τι έχει προταθεί και τι έχει γίνει ως τώρα.<br> | |||
| Έχοντας εντοπίσει το ενδιαφέρον σου για θέματα ιστορίας και σκέφτηκα ότι μπορεί να ενδιαφέρεσαι να συμμετάσχεις και να συνεισφέρεις. Οποιαδήποτε συνεισφορά, οπώς και η ενημέρωση άλλων χρηστών για το project ή προτάσεις είναι άκρως επιθυμητές. Προσδοκώ στη βοήθειά σου, όποτε θα σου είναι δυνατό. <br> | |||
| Χαιρετίσματα!--] 16:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Turkish diaspora== | |||
| Υ.Γ.: Μη μου πεις και εσύ ότι my greek seems very robotic. Έχω στείλει τόσα ενημερωτικά μηνύματα που είναι αναπόφευκτο!--] 16:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks! I also tried hard to find a reference for the Turkish population in Brazil, but it was hard to proceed with the little Portuguese I can understand, on the governmental statistics site (the English version of which currently doesn't work, unfortunately). I noticed the good work on ], and I think it also owes much to the Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών doing its job very well. I have a slight problem with your last edit though: I do not agree that the distinction between Turkish and Turkic is obvious at all to an average person, and as we are trying make an encyclopedia article I believe we should aspire to explain things in detail instead of removing information. When I received your message, I was just working on rephrasing that, with which I hope you won't have problem. Regards, ] 00:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the reply, I'm also trying to make sense of Portuguese with my knowledge of Latin :) You are right to say that "Turkish diaspora" is not that much ambiguous, but I'm focusing more on the "Turks living outside of Turkey" part. As we are trying to make a definition in an encyclopedic sense, I believe that information should be included. I really hope that you won't have a problem with the current version. Baristarim was apologizing for missing and overwriting my edit in a hurry. Regards again, ] 01:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == LOL == | |||
| ::I was also hoping that you could perhaps help with finding the correct number of Greek citizens of Turkish ethnicity. ] 01:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Ida afto pu les ke yelasa - tus lipame tus Skopyanus, xeris. Des ke to ] - den ine mono i Ellas pu bori na min dhehti tin endaxi tis FYROM stin EE, alla ke i Vulgaria. --] 13:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks! I will try to continue my search tomorrow. I checked the external links of Muslim minority of Greece, honestly I was not aware that there was a political problem surrounding the correct number of Turks in Greece. The only official source given is in Greek (I regret I can't understand much), and the Human Rights Watch links are dead. After checking the rest, I think the number you mentioned on my talk page sounds quite about right. I don't know on which time zone you are now but I'm going to sleep. Thanks for the help :) ] 02:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Episis, des to arthro ], dhyavase to olo, ke dhose idhieteri prosohi stin ikona ;-) --] 13:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| So how was your holidays finally? I am sorry for the haphazard reply of yesterday, I have been running from place to place and I am also doing other things on my computer! ] 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Des e-mail. --] 14:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, I don't know about that story, but looks like some crackpot thing. In any case, the problem is much bigger. I don't know if you have been following, but there have been some problems in other articles as well. Listen, can you take a look ] (see its history and the intro, and the blind reverts). I spent an hour on that page this weekend finding academic sources and writing the intro to reflect precisely the timeline. I just keep on getting reverted blindly. And I have to keep track of edits like (see my edit after). I didn't even know that article existed before, so I don't want to pretend that I am very knowledgable about it. Pff.. You know, Turks are not out to get anyone but I just don't understand why there has to be this constant push to minimalization. That's all. Anyways, pls take a look at the first one I mentioned, it is really demoralizing after all that effort I spent on the intro. ] 17:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Macedonian ... == | |||
| == Cyprus-stub == | |||
| Ouuff. That was quite a piece of work you made me do today. Please see ]. Sorry for somehow losing my temper yesterday. :-) ] ] 19:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| To template για το cyprus-stub προτείνεται απο τουσ τουρκους να αλλάξει. "This Cyprus-related article is a stub. You can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it." Ηδη προτείνεται να αλλάξει το link για την Κύπρο στο να ειναι link gia το αρθρο για τη γεωγραφία της Κυπρου, και επίσης κερδίζει ηδη έδαφος στο να φύγει η σημαια μας και να αντικατασταθει με τον χαρτη της Κυπρου. mπορεις να με βοηθησεις να μην περασει αυτο που θελουν οι Τουρκοι? Ηδη προσπαθω εγώ μόνος μου αλλα και εγω ειμαι σε εξεταστικη περιοδο και δεν μπορω να πολυασχοληθω με τιν βικιπέδια αν μπορουσες να βοηθησεις... ] 02:12, 10 January 2007(UTC) | |||
| ==Aussie Grix== | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ] | |||
| Indeed they do, there is an active Constantinopolitan society here. Thanks for correcting my Greek. ] 09:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've made some few edits. It needs references, but otherwise it looks fine. :-) <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Just fishin...== | |||
| ...Like the bait? -> ] ] 21:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :BTW, please archive your talk page. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Γιατί δεν θέλεις να μετονομάσουμε τους Τουρκοκρήτες σε Μουσουλμάνους Κρήτες (που τυγχάνει να είναι και η σωστή αγγλική ονομασία)? Επειδή υπάρχει ένας φαντασμένος Τούρκος που έχει πιστέψει κατά γράμμα αυτά που του είπαν στο σχολείο? Εμένα δεν με πείθει ως λόγος όσο και να προσπαθώ. Βλέπεις τι προβλήματα υπάρχουν τώρα, ο κάθε τυχαίος αναγνώστης νομίζει πως η Κρήτη ήταν μία πολυεθνική περιοχή σαν τη Μακεδονία που απλά έτυχε να πέσει στα χέρια της Ελλάδας. Δεν μπορεί να χωνέψει πως πρόκειται περί απελευθέρωσης και Ένωσης. Σε λίγο οι Φράγκοι θα μας πουν ότι η Ελλάδα δεν απελευθερώθηκε το 1929, απλά άλλαξε από Τούρκικο σε Φαναριώτικο ζυγό. ] 01:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == a quesiton == | |||
| :Well, the Turkish name for it is "İstanbul Rum Ortodoks Patriği" ("Greek Orthodox Patriarch of İstanbul"), and not "Konstantinopolis Rum Ortodoks Patriği". Therefore, it makes some sense. I guess he just figured that if the city today is called İstanbul, and that's what he calls it as well, then he must be right. :) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 02:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Hectorian. Why did you put compliments about your nation, on your personel web-site? | |||
| ::Hectorian, I was being ]—of course he's wrong! —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 02:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Why do you need such an action? | |||
| Do you feel depressed or is your mind still under "barbarian(!)" invasion? | |||
| Is this an complex??? | |||
| What r u trying to prove? | |||
| Syggnomi pou epeimeno toso alla me exei eknevrisei o kserolas. ] 02:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Oxi den asxoloumai me auto asxoloume me tous tourkokrites. Kapoios metakinise ton patriarxi tis Konstantinoupoleos se Patriarxi tou Istanbul ki ego to epanefera, auto itan olo, meta oute pou koitaksa ti ekane o allos. Katarxin ta 'tourkoi' kai kata synepeia kai 'tourkokrites' opos ta xrisimopoiousan tote oi romioi den eixe kamia sxesi me to pos ta antilambanomaste tora, toutestin tourkos tote simaine apla mousoulmanos opos kai tha gnorizeis. Epeidi omos tora pia exei efeurethei kai to ethnos ton tourkon, dimiourgeitai mia sygxisi, i opoia exei os apotelesma kapoious san ton cretanforever na milane gia "turkic tribes stin crete" kai istories gia agrious. Etsi merikoi san ton khoikhoi katalabainoun alla ant'allon. Proteino to arthro na metonomastei se "Cretan Muslims" kai na ginoun anafores mesa se olous tous mousoulmanous krites, tourkous, syrious klp, klp. ] 02:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| And a lesson for you: Sultan Mehmed never said a word like that. Controversial he and his successors made Istanbul an emperial city. A city which is still target of some stupid greek fascists. | |||
| :]. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 02:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| He order the foundation of patriach in Istanbul. Learn that. | |||
| ==Greeks in Romania== | |||
| Hectorian, I don't know and don't care what your opinions on ethnicity are. Note, however, that if we are to rely on self-definition (which we ought to), those people who left Greece chose not to define themselves as "ethnic Greeks". I have no interest in the debate you may be engaged in with others, but please don't drag it on pages where you would actually have little to contribute. Have a nice day. ] 11:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Your answer is pure sophistry. ] 11:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Slandering is easy but truth is worth. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:14:31, 12 January 2007| 14:31, 12 January 2007|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
| Let me point out the ways: the articles in question ''are'' about the subject of an ethnicity (they do not redirect to ]); that means that it is at least reasonably supported and advocated that those people are a different ethnicity, and your objections and the views you support belong ''in there'' (this is the solution I have called for in solving the ] situation, where Romanian claims are, IMO, at any moment ''more rational'' than the popular Greek view of Aromanians). Furthermore, what you and other supporters of this view ''want'' to say is ''not'' that they are Greeks, but something translatable as "of Greek ancestry" (not enough to disallow the use of "non-ethnic Greeks" as an adjective); because, if thousands of years of speaking a language different from Greek still allow a group to be as ethnic Greek as any guy in Athens, then we should merge ] and ], ] and ], and, hell, ] and ]. Now, I'm not saying that your views are dismissable, but that you are highlighting their concusions to an un-scientific level, and that, at least, the very existence of the articles indicates that we are, generally speaking, not addressing a "Greek topic" (see again my parallel with ]). Personally, I resent the Greek wish to turn them into Greeks ''as much'' as I resent the Romanian wish of turning them into Romanians. | |||
| :(I've moved this from your userpage) <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 15:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This was to further explain the accuracy of the adjective. As to ''the need for it'': I think it is dead relevant in an article otherwise about ethnic Greeks. Furthermore, an article about "Aromanians in Romania" would be highly redundant and fragile in content (at least for now). | |||
| ::Mmorgil, i have seen your weird (that's the word i prefer to use in order to remain civil) sense of history in many cases... See the ] for details about when, how, where and by whom was it founded. I do not have a "persona(e)l website... lol If u are referring to my user page, it is perfectly in accordance to wiki rules, and thus i have no need to explain anything. btw, every quote there has been truly said (i do not like trash in my userbage, and, so, next time try to comment on my talkpage), even what Mehmed, u know, ]'s son, said: , , , . btw, it is not that difficult to sign your comments, or is it? ] 15:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| On another topic: I would really like to know how you came up with the notion that Romania was a dictatorship in 1913?! I would also like to know what warrants you to say that "since people made a choice under x conditions, we are to assume that they would have made y choice under any other", especially since these people remained in Romania and did not protest against it after the conditions changed. As I have said, don't drag POV info on other pages, and confine the debate to those articles: yours is a minority viewpoint. ] 11:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| No problem. :-) I'll archive too. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hectorian, as I have said, the articles on Aromanians et al should deal with both the claim that they are a distinct ethnic group and various claims that they are, in fact, Greeks or Romanians (in case you're wondering, I do not hold the latter view). That is to say that links to Aromanians should address this issue foremost: most of the Aromanians in Romania (virtually all, I guess) would reject the notion that they are Greeks, and so would many living in other areas of the world. Not getting in there the mention that they are distinct would imply that they form a part of Greekdom, and that would be really POV (especially concerning Aromanians in Romania). It is extremely complicated to reconcile and accurately present various claims about "what makes on an ethnic something", but as, as long as the topic revolves around both a distinct language (with or without bilingualism) and the guiding belief held by some to most Aromanians that they are not Greeks (which, you will note, is the reason we have an article in the first place), the link between Aromanians and Greeks, contested or not, supported or not, is to be referenced in the article, and not someplace else (as we have learned to do for ]). To bottom-line this, I have to state that both the article and mentions in N other places relate ''primordially'' to those people who do not consider themselves Greeks (again, the parallel with Moldovans). | |||
| Hi. I had only removed that comment because it had nothing to do with that article, similar to removals that has happened in the past in ] and ] among others.. If you had read the whole discussion, you will see that there were many posts bordering on racism and extreme denigration of an entire ethnicity, with mocking statements about the intellectual capability of people because of their race "I have never understood the stubborn obsession of Turkey-Turks with simple historical facts ... somehow, they are totally unable to accept facts". That does not contribute to the creation of a healthy working environnement, nor is it relevant to the improvements that can be made to that Misplaced Pages article. In other posts there were at least mentions of the article and sources etc. The last one, there was practically none, and it was nothing but disruption with mocking and denigrating statements. Don't you think so? It would be a different matter if he were a new user, but that isn't the case. That's all... ] 14:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| On the other issue: disregarding the fact that Aromanians started to and were encouraged to migrate to Dobruja etc in 1913 (with many present earlier), Romania in 1925 was not a dictatorship either (look it up). ] 15:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Feel free to contact me though.. I am jurt trying to make sure that the talk page actually serves something :) ] 14:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :As it is, the current "see also" sends users to articles on communities who have partly immigrated to Romania (I did not want to imply that all of them did, and I'm not sure how one would come to such a conclusion); as for the "majority in Greece", I don't know if one can safely say that they have magically become Greek by default (again, not because being Greek would not be a popular self-definition, but because we may never know how popular, and because we have no monoploy on separating categories). Also: since I don't plan on intervening on disputes dealing with Aromanians, Vlachs, and Megleno-Romanians, I ask of you to please ensure that all points of view are equally presented and referenced there (as you indicate is your actual goal). Let me know if adding this after "see also" in "Greeks in Romania" article satisfies your views: ''Ethnic groups in Greece who were subject to immigration in Romania'' (I suppose "subject to" clarifies that not all of people were involved, and "ethnic groups" does not mutilate views on Aromanians et al being "subgroups of Greekdom"). | |||
| == Sources == | |||
| :As a sidenote: if you worry about opinons having been obscured by communism in Romania, let me remind you that, even if you place the starting point in 1925, you still have 22 years of various regimes to cover before communism. Of these, most were indeed dictatorial; but allow me to point out that Aromanians tended to be notorious pan-Romanian fascists (including many Aromanians in Greece-proper), and supported those dictatorships to the point where they joined the anti-communist resistance in Duobruja with the declared goal of reinstating them (not to mention that Romania's communist past ended in 1989, not to mention that the voices freely raised by Aromanians in Romania either stand by the Aromanians=Romanians notion, or simply reject the notion that Aromanians are either Romanians or Greeks). If you got the date right about 1925, then we are not only talking about a perfectly democratic system in Romania (with some kinks which would add no particular relevancy here), but also about a king other than Carol; if the date is, say, 1935, you still have some distance to travel until the 1937 establishment of the first (and most benign) of three dictatorships. If Greece itself was not a dictatorship, then, I'm sorry to say, the original argument you made on this topic makes little sense. Furthermore, we all know that the issue of Greek pressure on its ethnic minorities has been brought up, and that the estimates for overshadow Ceauşescu's measures against the Hungarians in both consistency and tradition (this is also in answer to the "majority left behind as ethnic Greeks" argument). Looking forward to a reply. ] 16:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hey man. As much as we would like to think, Misplaced Pages itself cannot be considered a ]. That's why it's important to give some sources for some (not all) of the things on the timeline. Perhaps the controversial things. I think it's fine if you make the article now, just move it to ]. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to remove the {{]}} tag though, because the article ''is'' unreferenced. You can do what you want however. | |||
| Sorry for not replying sooner (there were pressing matters I had postponed for a while). It's good that we can compromise, and, again, I have to ask that this spirit prevail on the pages themselves. My point about government pressure in Greece mostly referred to the past: after all, we can all agree with the fact that it did have some consequences today, although I would agree with you that what should matter is the way people define themselves at the moment (although I do believe that one can still find, without much difficulty, Aromanians who reject the Greek label in Greece itself, all over the Balkans, and in Romania first and foremost). Btw, mine would not be a Romanian POV, since the textbook Romanian POV would imply that I go on those pages and write down stuff like "Aromanians is Romanians", as some Romanian contributors feel the urge to do ;). No, I have to say I aim to stand for neutrality and consistency. | |||
| ] | |||
| As for the ], it looks like a great article; I'll read it completely sometime, but could you please send the song to me? I'd love to hear it. Kherete, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 08:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| The main reason for my Greece-Romania comparison was pointing out that, if you suspect Aromanians here of having been pressured into not calling themselves Greeks (although, again, they did have quite a lot of time to change their mind), then the very same would go for Aromanians in Greece having been pressured to call themselves Greeks. In the worst case, Romania has a similar record to Greece over many decades; at best, it was generally better for the moments we were comparing. Surely, Romania hads had its autocracy et al (and you may have noticed I don't shy away from exposing them), but in 1925-1930 we just happened to be at a peak in democracy. In 1913, the seminal moment of Romanian-on-Aromanian discourse, Romania was the most democratic state in the region (its many faults at the time do not really fall within the scope of this topic). Romania has done two questionable things which have added to the debate nowadays: it has identified Aromanians with Romanians (in a theoretical debate, even that would be plausible, but I don't hold that opinion myself), which, you should know, was then and has been since a claim widely popular with Aromanians themselves (some? many? I guess it depends on the documats and scale you use); it has offered them land in Dobruja (if offensive, it was so to the Bulgarians, who lost an entire province for some Romanians to fulfill an imperial dream) - now, and I guess your mention of Greek policies in the past would confirm this, I believe that the enthusiasm the offer received was also largely due to the fact that an Aromanian's fate in 1913 Greece would not have been peachy. Look at this in its context: even though you mention bilingualism, you have to admit that taxing a person for using a language other than Greek is a totalitarian action, as is closing down non-Greek schools (I do not want to get in the details of it, but we both know these were Greek policies). To the Romanian parallel: my country has been a bitch with minorities (in the case of Jews, this is an understatement); however, my country did not guide itself on a version of Megali Idea for as long as Greece has, and the policies of manifest ethnic cleansing have been on and off (if extremely violent at times). In a sense, I guess it is because Romanian nationalism initially felt more secure, and Greater Romania was a time of arrogance (unlike Greece, Romania fulfilled its irredentism by 1918, and spent the decades between 1940 and 1989 - with a break in 1945-1956 - either taking it back on minorities as scapegoats for having its "destiny overturned" or other such nonsense, or making sure that Romania in its constricted borders would "not be challenged" itself; this is the reason behind both the Holocaust in Romania and the anti-Hungarian policies of Ceauşescu). ] 21:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi Hectorian, got a source corroborating it's as old as you say? I always thought only the "Akritika" were thought to be that old. The language in the version you linked to is definitely much younger ("θα" futures and all the rest, if I remember correctly that's believed to have been grammaticalised only in modern times.) Also, have you got anything about the melodies (age, transmission, etc.)? ] ] 09:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ah, thanks for the detailed response. I plundered my wife's bookshelf and actually found the Politis book to check. So, yes, he's indeed dating it as early as the Akritika. Interesting. We should perhaps still point out that this probably applies to the outline of the story, not necessarily to the exact shape of the text. I still think I was right about the "tha", for instance (it's only 16th century or thereabouts, according to Horrocks), and the whole "feel" of the text you quoted is much more modern than, for instance, the Akritika in the written sources. | |||
| ::About the melody, what I meant was we only have information about the text so far, but you were talking about it as if it was a musical work too. Is there a traditional melody associated with the poem, and do we have any information about whether it is equally old? | |||
| ::By the way, we ought to write an article on ] / ] some day, don't you think? There's an interesting chapter on various hypotheses about its origin in the Horrocks book. (I finally got the Greek translated edition when I was in Athens the other day; the English one has been out of print.) | |||
| ::Sorry for replying late, but I was busy watching ] for a certain signal I was waiting for... :-) ] ] 20:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Oh, and by the way, the parallel with the Lenore ballad had struck me too. We did that back in Lykeio. ''"Und hurre hurre hopp hopp hopp / ging's fort in sausendem Galopp / dass Ross und Reiter schnoben / und Kies und Funken stoben ..."'' ] ] 20:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::What I know about the Lenore story is the 18th century German ballad by ]. Don't know if he based it on some preexisting legend. You can easily find the text on the web, but only in German apparently (google for "Lenore fuhr ums Morgenrot empor aus schweren Träumen"). It's quite long too. The story is about a soldier missing in action and his girlfriend who mourns so much for him she forswears her faith in God. So one night his ghost comes riding to her home and takes her away, to their wedding. Of course the "wedding" is in the grave (and presumably she goes to hell for questioning Divine Wisdom). What's similar is the scene of the ghost riding through the night with the girl, dramaticed in a very similar way. ] ] 21:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Hah! Hah! I actually found one! With images. And in real English verses too! Enjoy! This Bürger guy is incredible... ] ] 22:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I have decided to move your subpage instead, in order to preserve the edit history (so as to not violate the ]). Ciao, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 23:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi! Thank you very much for your article about the Dead brother's song (http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Dead_Brother%27s_Song). Right now I'm writing an academic article about its translations into different languages. Pls could you tell me whose is the translation in the article,is it yours or it was published anywhere? My email is makarcev@bk.ru. Euharisto poly! ] (]) 14:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, and sorry for not having replied sooner. | |||
| == the circus == | |||
| I'm not sure we trully disagree on democracy-vs.-dictatorship in the 1920s-1930s, but Romania was, IMO, as democratic as Belgium or Denmark at the time (not as democratic as Switzerland or Czechoslovakia, but certainly not as dictatorial as even Poland); the main reason for this rating is, I guess, the fact that the king had the privilege to name the government-forming party from those in parliament (Ferdinand used this to appoint Ionel Bratianu ad nauseam, but he would not have done it and din not do it when he knew that the cabinet had no chance of whitstanding a vote in parliament). As you may see, although this was below today's standard, it would not be considered authoritarian presently, and still made Romania be, for as much as she could keep this statu quo going, the exception in the area. (The mention about Bulgaria was purley conjectural: in the Dobrujan matter, Romania just seized a chance to kid the kidder, except that the kidder had not done anything toward Romania). | |||
| yeah, I suppose you are right. It just seems that nothing seems to be happening in that talk page except sniping, and (well-aimed) provocations. I will leave another note about the dispute that led to the article's protection. I generally try to take down such comments sometimes, but I am still hesitant to do it for the reasons that you mentioned, and also because I am afraid that people will blame me for holding "sides" and etc :( That article is like the snake's pit... Unfortunately as a lone editor what one person can do is limited. I honestly would like that page and relevant pages to be informative other than the battlegrounds they are now. Oh well.. Cheers! ] 16:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I believe you on the matter of Aromanian schools being in fact Romanian (and I suspected it all allong), but one would have to wonder why people where attending them and why they had to be closed down even in that instance (my guess is that the Greek state prevented its citizens from making a choice, and that the different choice would have been at least more popular than it is today). I see the problem in conection to Turks and "Slavophones" and Albanians: Greece has done a lot to whipe out uncomfortable identities one way or the other. I did not want to imply that the law about language referred to Aromanians specifically, but it did refer to Aromanians as well. Romania's presence to incite people like Alcibiade Diamandi has surely been disruptive, but two wrongs do not make a right. I don't think it is safe to say "those Aromanians who viewd themselves as etc. immigrated to Romania", leaving the country of origin peopled by Aromanian Greeks - it is the effect today, apparently (although I have my reservations about it being as universal as you imply - surely, even in the referendum for minority status, some people might have voted against...), but it is never that easy (if we know that Greece was advocating ethnic cleansing, then we surely have at least one instance where this was applied!). Not to mention that, of those Aromanians that immigrated, many to most were forcefully expelled. | |||
| == Dear Neighbour == | |||
| My comment on the "Magali Idea" referred not to its good or bad nature (which would be a simplistic remark for me to make), but to the fact that it is the source of many negative things Greek recent history, and, in context, to the fact that it was more a raison d'etre for Greece than similar ideas were to Romania (until 1940, that is). Furthermore, it has indicated the exact manner in which the Greek nation relates to others: when they fall withinn the sphere of a future gigantic state in which, by all accounts, Greeks would be a minority, other ethnicities don't exist (they are not present or the Greek state will make sure they have a safe trip to disappearence, or they are Greeks who have forgotten they are Greeks - just as Ukrainians were Romanians who have forgetten they are Romanians in Antonescu's Transnistria). I'm sorry, but I cannot condone such arguments, wherever they may arise. This is why I call for care in editing articles related to this topic (I cannot bear looking into it, and losing days of pretious sleep as I did finding an acceptable version for ]...). Cheers. ] 12:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Dear Hector, | |||
| ==GBS and Greek== | |||
| we just talked with Asellius about this, | |||
| let the translation be in the first paragraph and let;s just deal like normal people, | |||
| if it is not this will continue for ever! | |||
| Please be rasonable, there r translations in all the languages whoes teritorries was under Alexander but not translated in Macedonian (Or FYROM how u want to say it no prob) but please let it the translation! | |||
| So we can stop further vandalism and discussions about it! | |||
| If not it will continue to the closure of the article! | |||
| So please, | |||
| You quote George Bernard Shaw's "nobody can say a word against Greek: it stamps a man at once as an educated gentleman". I am sure that ''you'' understand this quote in its context in ''Major Barbara'', but your reader might not realize that he was actually ridiculing the role of Greek in the British class system, as a later quote from the same play makes clear (spoken by the person that the first quote is talking about): | |||
| Regards! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> | |||
| :Let me advise you to study Greek, Mr Undershaft. Greek scholars are privileged men. Few of them know Greek; and none of them know anything else; but their position is unchallengeable. Other languages are the qualifications of waiters and commercial travellers: Greek is to a man of position what the hallmark is to silver. | |||
| That makes it much clearer, doesn't it? --] 13:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Des se parakalw ti egrapsa sti selida tou Nikosilver, prokeitai gia ena zitima pou xreiazetai tin prosoxi mas. ] 13:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Patriarchate== | |||
| Basika h apantish pou molis mou afhse ta leei ola. Loipon to proteinoume gia diagrafh? ] 13:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Regarding the discussions on İstanbul/Constantinople and Patriarch (Ecumenic or not); | |||
| The name "Konstantinople" in AEK and PAOK is using as adjective which represent Ancient/historical name. But "Constantinople" in "Patriarch of Constantinople" and other smilar places ; is using a current city name which has no a city with this name.This is an onesided and improper attempt to change the name of a Turkish city. The name of that city in all languages of the world is "İstanbul". We/you can use "Constantinople" in all related/similar articles with a remarks "Ancient/historical name". | |||
| Regards. | |||
| ] 13:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| OK eisai gnwrimos me tin diadikasia? ] 13:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ]/] == | |||
| Mhn asxoleisai me to arhro tou, autos thelei apla na yparxei gia to pasarei ws mesaionikh ellhnikh istoria enanti ths Byzantinhs autokratorias. Prepei apla na frontisoume na diagrafei. ] 13:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| (Also posted to ] and ]) | |||
| A total confusion emerged over ] and ] created, I guess, by ]. I (ultimately) fixed it, including single and double redirects, except that ] and ] are now forks; the latter should be redirected. I don't hold any position on correct naming, except that (obviously) ] and ] are distinct islands, so I moved them to those respective articles. Take it on from here please. ] 12:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Po po, oute egw exw to xrono na asxolithw sobara me auto to thema - kai authn thn stigmh kanw egklima pou spatalaw ton xrono mou mazi tou. Autos to pige hdh gia RFC, pou nomizw oti einai akyrh kinish gia ena toso fanero POV-fork. Ti tha kanoume omws twra? Kapoios prepei na to analabei. ] 13:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit on Name == | |||
| Pithanotato ews kai sigouro. Fenetai oti gnwrizei poly kala tis diadikasies ths WP gia enan neo xrhsth. ] 13:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Very nice, concise edit. ] 16:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Eutyxws o FPS epebale thn taksh. Prepei omws na parakolouthoume tis energies tou sthn Byzantinh autokratoria opou epimenei na ferei elthei sta metra tou xwris na parathesei oute mia phgh. Amfisbithei px oti o Oikoumenikos patriarxhs sxetizetai me to arthro epeidh pleon apokaleitai 'Ellhnas Patriarxhs'. ] 14:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Turkey == | |||
| == Hrant Dink == | |||
| Dear Greek person | |||
| The article on Turkey is not your domain. In fact, it is not even your expertise. | |||
| Please do not revert legitimate changes there with your personal hang ups without proper procedures and basis. Your interpretation of "sourced information" is incorrect and there is no basis for a reversal. Turkey is NOT a "muslim or Islamic country". It is a secular democratic country. There is no other secular "Muslim" country. There is no reference to its religion in its legal structuring. The link in the paragraph which does not support the preceding sentence or the paragraph as well as the terminology such as Hijab (not a turkish term) as a very narrow concept are editable, and therefore, your interference does neither make sense nor is welcome. I kindly request you to exercise your restless skills in areas you know best in your culture, or on other borrowed Turkish contributions to your gastronomy such as Tatsiki, baklava, imambayildi and gyro kebap. | |||
| No worries.. I have been trying to haphazardly arrange and improve the article as the news rolls in as much as everyone else - it is not easy. Particularly since the article wasn't long before the assassination unfortunately. I have been trying to expand the early life section since he actually did have an interesting youth: he knew Yilmaz Guney, and his official name, Firat, was taken from a character from one of his movies. There are many interesting points like that :) But the sources are in Turkish and they have to be translated and the article is constantly getting updated so I am kind of getting lost :) It would be really nice if we could take it to GA soon... ] 14:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| ==] ]== | |||
| Kalinita (sorry for spelling it wrong) I would just like to thank you for your cheerful message. ] 00:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi! Today I've nominated the article ] for a ], believing it meets all ]. | |||
| This is the article's third nomination (see the ] ]), and because the previous ones received relatively little attention, I'd like to invite you to voice your opinion about it, be it as a vote or a comment, on ]. | |||
| :"]"? :) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks! :) '']]]'' 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Patriarch == | |||
| ==Re: Turkish saints== | |||
| Hmm, point well taken.. You do have a point about the fact that the Turkish state does in fact, contrary to what would be expected from a secular country, supports religious schools and mosques... Well secularity in Turkey is not ''seperation'' of church and state but ''control'' of the church (mosque, whatever) by the state.. The first type of secularism is anglo-saxon, the second one is the revolutinary French ''laicité''.. But I definitely agree with the fact that TR state, against my hopes and wishes, contributes way too much to supporting religious institutions and particularly (only? :))) Sunni ones... I hope that the Halki school opens one day, it is only fair... ] 02:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Yeah, I saw it but I'm not sure what we should do. I think the best solution would be to rename it to "Saints from Anatolia" or better yet "Saints from Asia Minor" as that's where most of the saints in this category came from. The name "Turkish saints" sounds as if the saints in the category were ethnic Turks, which indeed they were not. Most were around before the Turks even arrived in Anatolia. In any case, I'll talk to ] about this. -- ] 18:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Done. ]. -- ] 23:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == eirhnh merkourh == | |||
| : Erdogan, eh?? :))) Well, don't even get me started on him!!! :)) In Turkey we can never seem to find the middle way, it is always the extremes, one way or the other.. The hot mediterranean blood I imagine... :))] 02:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Geia, tha ithela na rwthsw giati evgales thn Eirhnh Merkourh apo thn kathgoria Roma people ] 15:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Ehw dei thleoptikes ekpompes kai afierwmata. Katarxas afto ehei anaferthei ws 'apokalypsh' meshmerianhs ekpomphs otan den htan gnwsto, argotera omws eida kai tsigganous syggeneis ths na miloun giafthn kai gia th zwh ths prin ginei gnwsth. Sto internet dystyxws denmporeis na vreis leptomereies gia ellhnes diashmous ] 15:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Efxaristw gia thn katanohsh. Dystyxws gia thn Misplaced Pages, h ellhnikh enhmerwsh vasizetai kyriws sthn TV kai ta periodika, kai oxi sto Internet opou tha mporousame na valoume phges :) ] 15:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==WikiProject Kurdistan== | |||
| Hi,my name is Diyako and I read on of the talk pages that you would be interested in a Kurdish WikiProject. I have just begun working on the project and working tirelessly to put and expand the project as much as I can. You would be more than welcomed to join the ]. Hope to see you there!!! --] 01:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thanks for your support== | |||
| == European Union and FYROM == | |||
| {| style="border:2px solid gray; background:#66ccff; padding:5px;" align=center | |||
| |] 20:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)]] | |||
| |style="text-align:center;"| | |||
| As you set out for ], hope the voyage is long<br /> | |||
| Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey<br /> | |||
| May there be ] when<br /> | |||
| With what pleasure and joy, you come into <br /> | |||
| Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the ]<br /> | |||
| The way the sentence is now makes no logical sense. It literally says : '''The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia(FYROM) has been given official candidate status as of December 2005 under the name "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"''' | |||
| And, if I, ], can offer something<br /> | |||
| To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable<br /> | |||
| This is my ] with anything I can ].<br /> | |||
| |} | |||
| ==Bozcaada== | |||
| If you keep it as Republic of Macedonia (as the wiki article is called), the sentence makes more logical sense since it would state the EU is using a certain name for the country known as Macedonia. And to repeat again, the sentence right now makes no logical sense and FYROM should be changed to something that is not the same as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. ] 23:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What is has to do with, is the extreme POV that is occurring. Tell me why this isn't occurring with Istanbul? Because that name does not exist in the Greek language... they still call it "Constantinople". But the Istanbul page is still the proper page for that article, while Constantinople is a historic page... as Tenedos should be. THAT is the problem ... and many many other translations show the proper translation - English also translates to Bozcaada, NOT Tenedos. ] 18:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Both of those maps are extremely poor from a cartographic point of view. The field of the map is incredibly large, and the focal point (being the island(s) in article) is very small, thereby taking very much away from the location of the map. Two new maps will be created to rectify this. ] 18:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Hey! == | |||
| Who, exactly, are you referring to when you say "you can't use sockpuppets or IPs"? I ''hope'' it isn't ME you are referring to, because if so - know this, I will have any and '''all''' admins check my records, my IPs, and my activities to prove to you that 1) it isn't me and, 2) that such accusations would be totally and completely offensive and unnecessary. So I hope you aren't accusing me, ARE YOU? ] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Would you like to help out on the ? ;-) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 01:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :As a matter of fact, NO, I do not know who it is. But are you not aware that an IP address will let you know specific information about a user, and ANYONE can look up an IP address online and trace it's whereabouts? Now I am not going to caution you, I am WARNING you - if you attempt to accuse me of this, you better think twice. Because I WILL NOT stand for being accused of such actions that I am not guilty of, nor would participate in. If you do so, I guarantee there will be consequences that you don't like. ] 20:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It looks like can, however. I never knew he was Aromanian. I'm not really sure either, you should probably ask {{user|Eeamoscopolecrushuva}}. BTW, was ] Aromanian as well? I thought she was Albanian, but Eeamo made to the article, while she is still mentioned on the ] page. | |||
| :Also, you're the 100th message on my talk page, which means that it's time to archive again... —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 01:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I'll delete any and all edits you make to my talk page... seeing how you've chosen to offend me, you now mean nothing. I am calling you out - you can think what you want, but even a caveman can do an IP check and see... and my IP doesn't come close (nor my one at work) - in fact, I'm willing to bet you'll see the IP comes from ANOTHER COUNTRY. Wow. Amazing. ] 04:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::15. :) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 01:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Child of Izmir, resident of Istanbul== | |||
| == Your edit to ] == | |||
| Thanks. I grew up in ], but now reside in ]. One doesn't become Istanbulite by simply living here, so I remain Izmirli :). --] 23:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] Newsletter - Issue V (I) - January 2007 == | |||
| Hectorian, even if you disagree with the category assignments on ], that is hardly a reason to remove the category from ]. ] (]) 02:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The ''']''' of the WikiProject Greece newsletter (the first issue after the merger of the History of Greece Wikiproject with the Wikiproject Greece) has been published. | |||
| == Koita... == | |||
| You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. | |||
| ...kai psakse: | |||
| Thank you.--] 20:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Names == | |||
| A!, kai enas 'achiles', ;exei maz;epsei poly prama: | |||
| Well, I am sorry but there is no reason those names should be up there in the lead, in the same way that the Turkish name was removed from the lead of ] - by the same token (as FP had pointed out in his statement in his summary), I will move the Greek name further down in ] article. I am sorry Hectorian, but not every single place name in Western Turkey will have a Greek name - that is not going to happen because it doesn't make sense. Feel free to create an etymology section to talk about them - that is perfectly legitimate. In fact, the solution found at ] is very logical. If you fell that the names for those islands are unjustified, feel free to remove them. I will try to contact FPAS as well, in the mean time - I will modify the articles per ]. ] 10:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, the "nation that founded" the city doesn't make sense - it was not the modern ] nation that founded them, but ] - and that can still be a stretch for some. ''In any case'', include the Ancient Greek name of the city, not the modern one - if there is no actual Greek population, then it doesn't make sense to have the modern Greek, does it? :) ] 10:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] 10:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, at first I had a very inclusionist point of view, but lately I am finding that so many alternate names in the lead are a bit confusing. It would be a much better idea if they were inserted correctly into the main, either under etymology or history sections. So I shouldn't have removed the names in the first place I suppose, that was not correct - there is no reason why they should be deleted. As for the islands, personally I don't think that the Turkish names should be up there if there is no longer a Turkish presence. It could be inserted in the history section "it was called X by the Turks". I suppose at some point the Ottoman translation could also be added, but I don't know Ottoman so there is not much I can do about that :) | |||
| == Please be more careful == | |||
| ::I tried to correct the names for two of the islands, however I wasn't sure about ] simply because it seemed very close to Western Thrace, and I thought maybe there were many Turks living there or something, but again maybe not. Are there? If not, I will remove that from the lead as well and add somewhere in the history section. As for the other articles... They are already very short, so I am sure that they will make more sense when those articles will be expanded one day. Those etymology sections look a bit awkward for the moment, but maybe it will push some editors into expanding them? :) I would find them interesting actually. Cheers! ] 11:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::You are right, I should have definitely been more careful with explaining myself and all considering the background of this issue :) | |||
| :::As for Istanbul, I suppose the issue is a bit too complicated to be resolved in a day, so I won't be reverting you. ] 11:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Request == | |||
| Hi, Hectorian! No offense, but on 7 September 2006 at 07:44 you removed part of ] with the following comment: ''rm more than half paragraph: no citation has been added (though asked) and nothing justifies that the slavs called the sultans as 'tsars'!''. Please notice, that at the time you made this removal the discussion page of the same artucle already contained three citations awaiting for comments from you — it wasn't even clear whether you had doubts about the meaning of 'tsar' or you required citation for something else. This was not polite behaviour... --] 15:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I had a bad day today, and I don't want to get into another edit war over Greco-Turkish placenames. Therefore, I would like it if we could hold-off from reverting just for now, until we can come to some sort of solution. I don't really see the ] page as a solution, because most articles don't have it that way. The famous ] solution was to have the names at the top for example. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 01:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks, for your answer at my discussion page. I never thought that you could do intentionaly something bad - otherwise I wouldn't even dare to bother you. :-) I edited the article as you suggested. Please see if everything is OK now. BTW, I read the article for 'tsar' in the Serbian Misplaced Pages and noticed that in Serbian the word 'tsar' doesn't have such a broad meaning as in Bulgarian and Russian. --] 08:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for understanding. :-) I see what you mean about Ottoman Turkish. The problem is, hardly anyone knows the correct spelling of these places in Ottoman Turkish. I know that ] might be able to help; ] is also experienced in this area. If both of them can't help, try asking ], or take a look at the ! :-) Cheers, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 02:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Answering your question and giving my point of view/opinion. == | |||
| ::But most Turks today cannot read or write Ottoman Turkish. Did Greece ever have ] which caused most Greeks to only understand modern Greek? It's not really possible, considering the fact that they're both written in the same script. However, modern Turkish and Ottoman Turkish are written in completely different alphabets, and people growing up in Turkey obviously don't learn the latter in school, so they do not know it. It's not their fault that they don't, that's just the way things are. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 02:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| You wrote: | |||
| "cause it comes from the medieval manuscript (who could be offensed by that?!))" | |||
| :::Saposcat and Xemxi have both responded to my request, check it out: <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 04:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hectorian, I believe that because that the words "educated Persian" | |||
| in quotes implies that the writer was being sarcastic....that he/she | |||
| does not believe that the Persian was an educated person. | |||
| :::BTW, we don't need to add the name in Ottoman Turkish to articles like ] because of the ]. Same with ] and ] (see ]). <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| If the manuscript does indeed indicated that the Persian was | |||
| educated, then fine. But the quotes need to go. I believe that | |||
| that this is a necessary change to keep this article objective. | |||
| Your own transliteration method contradicts what is outlined at ]. The most common way to transliterate Ottoman Turkish is with the ]s, not without them. You're welcome to add the most common transliteration of "Αδριανούπολη" if you want. Also, "English" does not exclude the use of accent marks. You will notice this in words like ]... <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 03:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| If you disagree with my opinion, think of it from this angle. | |||
| I read this and immediately deem it to be bias. I would think it | |||
| impossible to believe that I’m the only one to believe this, even | |||
| though it may in fact not be bias. However, being that some | |||
| may agree or disagree with either or us is grounds in itself to | |||
| remove the quotes in order to avoid any appearance of bias. | |||
| It’s the safe road to travel. | |||
| :BTW, you just reminded me from something I read in a Hemingway short story: | |||
| Sincerely and respectfully, Sideshow Todd | |||
| :<blockquote>''Minarets stuck up in the rain out of Adrianople across the mud flats. The carts were jammed for thirty miles along the Karagatch road. Water buffalo and cattle were hauling carts through the mud. There was no end and no beginning. Just carts loaded with everything they owned. The old men and women, soaked through, walked along keeping the cattle moving. The Maritza was running yellow almost up to the bridge. Carts were jammed solid on the bridge with camels bobbing along through them. Greek cavalry herded along the procession. The women and children were in the carts, crouched with mattresses, mirrors, sewing machines, bundles. There was a woman having a baby with a young girl holding a blanket over her and crying. Scared sick looking at it. It rained all through the evacuation.'' </blockquote> | |||
| == P.S. == | |||
| :<span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 04:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| If you would, sir -should you agree with me- do the honer of reverting it back. | |||
| ::Speaking of which, I added ] as an interwiki to the article, but I wanted to ask you, does the term "Asia Minor Catastrophe" also refer to the ]? Maybe the interwiki should be moved then. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 04:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| -Sideshow Todd- | |||
| == |
==Bozcaada== | ||
| Khoikhoi introduced those two maps, and Pmanderson reverted - violating the 3RR rule, I might add. What exactly is your problem, Hectorian? You seem to be acting within POV bias in this article. Or will it be enough when I create new maps for the two locations? ] 04:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :''You'' seem to be acting within POV bias in this article. The purpose is to show the location of the island in its geographic area, not its location within the Canacalle province... Even if u create new maps for these two locations, this will not make your maps irreplaceable... Instead of sticking to your POV, you should better wonder if u are wrong in this case. Also, do not other users for the 3RR, cause u may also it. PS: I would had replied in your talkpage (since this is how I always reply when people leave comments here), but as u ] and (by making ]-think of that wikirule as well), it would be in vain... ] 04:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::You may continue your POV approach, just know it is biased. ] 23:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Huh? I like FPS's map; It shows the island in its geographic area. I have no reason to push POV. Today I saw another user who is solely involved in a biased approach ; I will have to see how far he/she will push it... ] 01:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Enjoy. ] 01:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Patriarchate copyrights == | |||
| Xwse oti nomizeis. Fevgw, 8a dw meta... ] 13:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You asserted on this ] description that the Patriarchate is granting free use of its images with attribution. Can you please point me to your source of this information on their policy? Thanks.--] 21:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == TRNC == | |||
| :That's a standard Misplaced Pages license tag, often misused. What we need to know is if the Patriarchate themselves have said this, perhaps on their website. I think I'll pass this question on to ], who posted ''that'' image.--] 22:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Pope Benedict XVI revert == | |||
| I do not like the attitude of a lot (not all) of Greeks and Greek Cypriots on this issue especially surrounding the referendum - they like many Cuban exiles seem to enjoy spouting the bile-filled fantasy that they can kick the post-1974 Turks out and can wind things back - it's over a generation since 1974 and like the Cubans exiled since 1959 they have no chance of anything if they continue to cling to fantasy and not recognise reality. | |||
| Hi, Hectorian. I wanted to ask you to check out the discussion page for ] so you can provide input on the recent revert you did. I have found many of your edits to the ] article to be appropriate and have agreed with you in a recent discussion issue. However, I thought the edit by 88.107.146.244 was also appropriate, and noticed you disagreed and reverted. I didn't want to just revert your revert, so I was hoping to get a discussion on the matter started. I look forward to hearing from you! | |||
| I have spent nearly five years here fighting POV fanatics - aside from Marxists the worst are nationalist fanatics such as Poles (on issues such as ] and the ]) and Greeks (and indeed many Turks) (on issues such as Cyprus, ] and the nationalist monstrosity that was the ]). You can forgive for being more than a little cynical and soured. ] 11:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regards, --] 04:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Asia Minor Catastrophe == | ||
| Thanks a lot for the info. Perhaps you should correct at the Greek Misplaced Pages, as well as mine . BTW, is there a name in Greek for the "population exchange between Greece and Turkey"? Since "Asia Minor Catastrophe" does not only refer to the population exchange, perhaps the article should be changed. As of now, it says: | |||
| Hi. Surely Nestorius was Archbishop of Constantinople, the Patriarchate not being established until Chalcedon in 451. Even John Chrysostom is properly referred to as Archbishop of Constantinople in Byzantine liturgical texts. Would you please be so kind as to explain the reasoning behind your edit? efharisto polli! --] 18:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| <blockquote>In Greece this was called the '''Asia Minor Catastrophe''' (]: {{lang|grc|Μικρασιατική καταστροφή}}) as it involved the expulsion of about one third of the Greek population from millennia old homelands, practically ending some 2,500 years old presence of ethnic Greek people in ], from ] (]) in the Ionian shores to ] and ] in Pontus.</blockquote> | |||
| :I'm sorry, I don't find your argument convincing. Historians do not refer to Juvenal of Jerusalem before 422 as Patriarch of Jerusalem, referring to him as Bishop of Jerusalem before that date, and to all of his predecessors as Bishop of Jerusalem (after 325 at least). Scholars of Byzantium are very careful not to refer to any Archbishops of Constantinople before 451 as Patriarch. Even the Orthodox liturgy calls St John Chrysostom 'Archbishop of Constantinople'. The article on St John Chrysostom never calls him 'Patriarch'either. Rome is possibly not the best example - we both know Rome does funny and silly things all the time. I'd draw your attention to the articles on the Patriarchate of Jerusalem. That series is very careful not to call anyone before 422 'Patriarch of Jerusalem'. --] 19:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ...but I suppose this is incorrect, right? <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Γενοκτονία των Ελλήνων του Πόντου == | |||
| :Oh, ok. I get it now. :-) Thanks, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : |
::Thanks again! <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
| == |
== Turkish coffee == | ||
| I think you and Khoikhoi are blowing up the lie of coffee houses in Istanbul in 1475. Show me a reference other than your commercial websites I will stop deleting it. It's a shame that you're using Misplaced Pages to manufacture and propogate lies. You should be more academically inclined. Contact me at csunsay@yahoo.com to convince me about your historical references. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
| :It is a well known fact that the existence of coffee houses in Istanbul was true. Coffee itself has its origins in Africa, of all places. How hard is it to imagine that a culture spread coffee and its popularity around through trade routes and interactions? Csunsay - I will definitely contact you and assist you in your learning. In the meantime, please refrain from accusing both Hectorian and Khoikhoi before you have any counterproof for such accusations. ] 01:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| To magalytero meros tis Tetartis stavroforias to exo grapsei o idios kai nomizo pos mporeis na mou exeis empistosyni sto oti den periexei POV kata ton Ellinon. O Alexios o B' eixe symaxisei me ton ] kata ti diarkeia tis deuteris stavroforias, kai gia pollous kai diaforous logous oi Ellines itan tote kata ton stavroforon. Kata deuteron, koitaksa tis proalles tin pigi tou Cretanforever kai de grafei tipota ap'auta pou mas tsampounaei peri 160K tourkon enanti 120K ellinon stin Kriti tou 19ou aiona. Antithetos auti i pigi, opos kai oles oi dikes mou, ypostirizoun tin analogia 30K-300K. Koinos autos o typos nomizei oti trome koutoxorto kai opos katalabaineis tou ta afairesa ola. Protino na metonomasoume to arthro, kai na baloume tous tourkokrites os mia paragrafo tou. ] 20:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You didn't contact me Rarelibra. I look forward to the documents showing that Byzantine Empire knew coffee and there were coffee houses in stanbul or Constantinople. I'm not challenging you. This is a hitorical possibility. But I don't know any record of it. I never came across this. I blame Khoikhoi and Hectorian because they keep bringing up without evidence supporting that. Yet, they give commercial websites as reference. This should be a violation. If you think there were coffee houses in Istanbul in 1475, edit the page and put the reference. Otherwise this is a lie, nationalistic propaganda. | |||
| :'''All of the sources'''? I doubt Miskin read all of them as neither he you know knows Turkish. It's never good to do ''full reverts'' - what specific sources don't say what the article claims?? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 21:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Apparently you didn't even read my edits. The source he claimed was an English one. Plus you can't know what we speak or don't speak. ] 22:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Where u in Constantinople in 1475, that's why u are sure it's a lie? I have no need to convince anyone... It is a legend, but still it is sourced. ] 22:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Molis brika ontos se mia pigi na ypostirizei oti ypirxe megali mousoulmaniki meionotita stis arxes tou 19ou aiona kai meiothike stis 30,000 meta tin epanastasi. O Cretanforever omos to exei diastrevlosei auto kai to parousiazei pos oloi autoi itan Tourkoi, eno i pigi dieukrinizei oti itan Ellines mousoulmanoi kai kryfoi xristianoi pou epanilthan sto xristianismo. Ekana tis katalliles diorthoseis tonizontas oti den eprokoito peri tourkon mexri to 1924. Auto einai enas logos parapano na metonomastei to arthro pou tous elege olous Tourkous. ] 11:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::What do you think about ? Maybe we can keep the fact that he is recognized only as the Patriarch of Fener by the TR government in addition to its original state. However the latest edit got me curious. Is he the spiritual leader of all Orthodox churches in the world, or some, or are there exceptions etc. The latest edit looks horrible but I am holding out on a full revert for the moment - just wanted to get your opinion. ] 22:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Hardly. All he had to do was change that one part of the article..instead he reverted all of Cretanforever's work without showing any sign of shame. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 15:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==The other side of the 1996 Buffer Zone killings== | |||
| ::He was the one who reverted my edits altogether, despite my sourcing. I restored parts of his edits that did actually have a source (which I discovered myself), added tags to the ones that didn't, and removed what was pure original research or weasel text. The article still needs work. ] 17:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Michael Stevens' paper "The Cyprus Problem" is a souce, and the items I added to the pages regarding the two 'martyrs' were direct quotes. Just because you don't like what others may say about it doesn't mean that you have a mandate to remove it. That's called revisionism. I tried to show balance. A big difference, though I wonder if that point is made in Greek dictionaries... | |||
| Kathomai kai brisko piges gia ta edits ton tourkon kai autos akoma mou ti mpainei. Allakse pali to onoma kai gia kapoion logo de ksanapigainei ekei to arthro, ksereis ti ginetai se autes tis periptoseis? ] 17:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| You're missing the point. You think any sane person would want to encroach into a zone where the possibility of conflict/injury/death is high? That they were killed is regrettable, but don't forget that those two made a conscious choice to challenge the buffer zone. Heroism is not a word I would use in this circumstance. The most charitable term I'd use is 'risky'. ] | |||
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| == Turkish Republic of Western Thrace == | |||
| Hi Hectorian, might I ask why you've moved most of articles on 'Patriarch X of Constantinople' to 'Ecumenical Patriarch X of Constantinople'? Their usual title in English-language Byzantine scholarship is simply 'Patriarch X of Constantinople'. Just curious. ] 03:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Dear Hectorian, | |||
| :Hey there, here to ask the same question. It seems jarring, and I was wondering why the change. Thanks. ] 01:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| There is an article as "Gumuljine Republic". as you see in new article "Turkish Republic of Western Thrace", I transferred all content from "Gumuljine Republic" article. (categries, stubs etc. all of them). "Gumuljine Republic" is a dummy/artificial name. A republic wlth this name never took a palce in history. I will take back this merging/discuss remark back with assuming that you will ve judicious. | |||
| Much regards and Selam from Istanbul. | |||
| Mustafa Akalp 17:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Reply | |||
| Big sorry Hectorian, really big sorry. There is mis understanding. | |||
| Lets delete "Gumuljine Republic" and "Gumuljine" (redirect to firt one). | |||
| I thought your offer. After transferring(pasting) of all content to new page I thought about to make empty this article and to make an offer for deletion first two article.But I saw some records in history page and I kept then as they are. | |||
| For my info; | |||
| Is it possible to make empty and delete an article but transferring discuss and history page to new related page, How? | |||
| == Aegean dispute == | |||
| Much regards and Kaliniktasas. | |||
| Hi, sorry I wasn't quite happy with some of the additions you made to ] and ]. I've reverted a few of the changes but have tried to keep and integrate as much of it as I could. ] ] 09:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Mustafa Akalp 17:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I've answered on my own page, if you don't mind. ] ] 09:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Interesting article == | |||
| == Convention on naming Turkish-Greek places; == | |||
| ... <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 06:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Convention on naming Turkish-Greek places; | |||
| There is a huge discussion. Some users offers logical solutions but many of others offers fanatic oppinions. | |||
| I offered also to Barıstarım and Khoikhoi that; | |||
| Lets establish a commission (not more than 7 people)with Equal number of Greek and Turkish users(can be voting among users).this commission delegate another neutral user as chairman/chief/reconciler . | |||
| Commission make an agenda and puts the principles of naming(in title, in first line, and in the article),putting links,kategories etc. | |||
| These rules and regulations are announced in a main template page and all related articles linked to that page as a guide. All further debates among users(especially newcomers) are solved by this commission. | |||
| Kalinikta. | |||
| Mustafa Akalp 18:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Welcome back! <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 06:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Hey, how is it going? So what do you think about Mustafa Akalp's proposal about Greek/Turkish nameplaces proposal? I also think that it is a good idea.. As for TR Western Thrace, I haven't been following exactly what has been happening, so did you suggest that G. Republic have its contents moved to that article and a redirect put? Cheers! ] 00:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Hmm, that's true, I also checked it.. Personally, it was the first time I had heard either of those names. Only if there were a way to verify the name by which this country was officially ''recognized'', but it is so old that back than there was no UN, not even the League of Nations! On the other hand, it also seems to me that its official name was Gumuljine Republic.. I will ask Mustafa about it.. As for the commission, I have no idea either!! :) I will have to put some thought to it and ask some other editors their thoughts.. ] 14:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Problem in ] article == | ||
| Hi, in ] article, you should change the table back to it's original state and it should include Turkey too. Please check the other references, when you says diaspora, you should also mention the mainland of that nation (i.e. ]) Miller ] 08:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Hectorian, I'm sending you this b/c I see you have a number of posts on the 'greek diaspora' wiki and thought perhaps you were the proper 'neutral editor' to contact in a request for an addition. Below, is the post I have made on the 'greek diaspora' talk page. | |||
| The table on Greek Diaspora is about the Greek people, not just diaspora, but including countries with about 10-20 Greek people, is kinda weird I'd say (the threshold should be like thousand). It is even weirder to include countries with 'unknown' number of Greeks. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 00:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Oh and also, good luck with 'WikiProject History of Greece', any historical info you need from dailyfrappe, just let me know. | |||
| :As stated on the top of the article, it is about Greeks in all countries. The Greek authorities have made a good job in providing numbers of even just 10-20 Greeks in some states, but note that the official figures are not always the only acceptable or real ones (usually, they count only citizenship). That's why the ] article usually provides two figures, lowest and highest estimates. This is something that, personally, i would like to see in all respective articles, so that the users will make up their minds on their own about what is true or false. As for the ], there is a lot of work to be done... not only concerning the double figures, but also concerning the reliability and the accessibility of the these figures: e.g. the figure for ] in the past, for ] and ] in the current revision, seem rather suspicious to me... Lastly, there should be sources provided for every number (which is not, so far). The two states ] and ] that in the ] are listed as "unknown" are special cases; wars and regimes are the answers to that. However, i am in the position to provide some figures for them as well. Afterall, there are in both of them links for ''further information''... Readers can find their way. ] 01:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| I think that only 'significant' ones should be mentioned. 10 people is too few, and it seems to be an estimation (than it jumps to 20 people), and if a Greek becomes a citizen today, it will increase by 10%?? Also, the article is about Greek diaspora, so it might be better not to include Greece (and maybe Cyprus), and rename table. Also, are you sure there were only 219280 'non-Greeks' in Greece in 2001? ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, | |||
| I would like to offer a greek diaspora website to be considered for inclusion as an external link. | |||
| The website is dailyfrappe.com and it is a non-commercial website devoted to informing the greek diaspora community about their homeland and it's current political and social climate and how it effects them. This includes conducting interviews with greek diasporans and discussing an oral history of their lives. I believe a review of the website will confirm that is inline with #5 of the code for 'What should be linked to' on wiki's (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:External_links) | |||
| :Since there are estimations, i see no reason not to include even the lowest numbers (the figures are provided in a way that higher numbers come first). I would not have any problem to talk about excluding Greece and Cyprus from the table, but we should also exclude Albania, FYROM, Bulgaria, Turkey, Egypt and Italy, since the Greek communities there are not diasporic populations, but natives, aboriginals. As for the ''only 219280 non-Greeks'', no, i am not sure, but this is the figure provided. If my personal opinion, as a Greek living in Greece, counts, Greece's population is over 13 million, with more than 1.5 million non-Greeks (and more coming every day, especially after Bulgaria and Romania entered the EU), but i cannot base it on sources, and thus i cannot change the figures neither in ] nor in ]. ] 01:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Hagia Sophia == | |||
| Thank you, I ask that you take this edit under consideration for the furthering of the greek diasporan community and in an effort to better inform ourselves of our greek heritage and connect that to the Greece of today. | |||
| Are you talking about another article? You haven't undone my edit, which was a revert. Apparently some people want to see inline citations so lets have them. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 00:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Hmm, not quite - even I was confused when I saw the article. The term easily means refugees from the Greek Civil War . Anyways, also see my edit summary.. ] 01:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you, | |||
| vasigus | |||
| ::"It gets tiring" for what reason? After edits like , I am sorry but I am very cool at comments coming from you - you really should check WP:AGF.. I am doing my best to objectively improve articles, and you might want to at least try to treat the subjects more seriously and objectively. ] 02:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| * Connects millions of people of Greek descent back to their homeland and each other | |||
| :::Why did you actually revert anon at the Hellenic Army by the way? ] 02:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Reply== | |||
| ::::(For the above, replied in the article's talk). as for the comment i had made and u mentioned, i did not say anything false. i may had been exaggerated, but i was '''certainly''' not wrong, not even for once. Besides, it was in the talk page, not in the article itself. it is obvious that my ideas differ from yours, but WP:AGF applies to all, and i do not think this depends on previous comments and edits. ] 02:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi. I felt that I had to reply to one of your posts earlier that I just ran into.. I know that there are people in turkey who say that sumerians etc were originally turkish.. But you see that's where u r mistaken:it was not kemal that told them so.. Find me one example or speech where he says so.. There were many nationalists back then and still are.. The same goes for kemalism.. I have the impression that you misunderstood what it is, it is much more a revolutionary ideal - it focused much more on democracy and secularism than anything else.. And please let's avoid anachronisms by judging the people that lived 100 years ago with the standards of today, what is important is what he was at his era.. I am sure that in his age most of Greek politicians said things like ''greece for greeks''. In any case, I am also really offended by this comparison with North Korea.. kemal's ideas about secularism and modernity are still valid. I know that he is nearly worshipped by some people in turkey, but that's also distorting the facts.. You really have not understood how important he was in the struggle for Turkey to become a modern nation, he single-handedly stopped Turkey becoming a colony AND, most importantly, transformed Turkey into a secular nation from an extremely religious country. Turkey might not have perfected secularism maybe, but that's a different story.. If it wasn't for him most Turks (if there would have been any left by today) would be speaking Greek, French, English like an Arab or African country AND live under shariah.. Consider this as well.. it wouldn't surpise me that a Greek person wouldn't like him, he single-handedly stopped the Megali Idea, right? :)) The fact that he is so important even today is because there haven't been any more Turks since him that were such strong and modern leaders; corrupt politicians, what can I say? :)) Also please understand that what I just said is not pan-turkism nor nationalism, it is normal for people to recognize people from the past that contributed so much to their current existence.. That's all.. ] 16:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::'''I now saw that edit. I think it is racism. In addition to add that, you are still behind all of those words, so they are not just some outbursts'''. ''"Let the users draw their own conclusions, instead of presenting them panturkist and kemalist ideas... The fire was set up by kemalists! it is so tiring to present facts"'' '''lol'''. ''"' (read the ] for the translation... what? it's original script is in Greek? LOL"'' '''double lol'''. ''"John Balfour, 3rd Baron Kinross|Ataturk's lover's"'' '''discrediting people, good, with the usual homosexual thing, or son of a bitch thing (Kinross might have been gay, don't care about that, neither do I care so much about Ataturk being homosexual, though I have doubts about that)'''. ''"know that the tuskish users have been fulled by kemalist-panturkist ideas, but these ideas are not gonna prevail in wikipedia"'' '''replace tuskish by some Greek, kemalist-panturkist Mustafa Kemal-hatist, panhellenist'''. ''"hey may believe that Prophet Mohamand was turkish (kara-LOL... they will get the meaning of this (kara) one... since, even the turkish minister of culture said that"'' '''need to see a ref, it might have happened (though small chance), but I don't want hri or something like that. Also, I don't understand what you mean there. Kara means black''' ''"Haha! are the Turks wonder why the Arabs still don't like them?"'' '''Turks, if you want to generalize so much, do not care whether Arabs like them or not, see World War I. They have already too much thing to think about in their daily lives, they do care about Palestinians though because they are represented as the oppressed ones in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Also, back to Smyrna, the city of Amazoness queen, why burn the city you captured two days ago? Does not make much sense. It might be a revenge of burned cities by retreating Greek army though, still it does not make much sense ''' ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 16:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==TRNC== | |||
| ::::::Not racism. Not liking a state or a political leader does not make someone a racist. not liking a population group does. I did not get the "double lol" u said; it is not a secret that the New Testament was written in Greek and that the Old was translated and became known in that language as well, but in any case this goes for the quote i placed there. I do not care if Kinross and Ataturk were homosexuals, '''but''' if they were lovers, Kinross's ideas about him cannot be taken seriously. Apropos, many persons in ancient Greek history were, and i have no prob with them. what makes me wonder is why some Turks see that as insulting... were they on Ataturk's bed to know? the Turkish state banned YouTube for that reason, for crying out loud!!! not to mention the charges against ]. There is no such thing as "Panhellenism" in the sense of "Panturkism". "Panhellenic" simply means "all of Greece". I have seen what the (maybe now ex) turkish minister of culture had said about Mohamand. His exact words were that ''the origins of Mohamand go back to the sumerians, thus he was certainly a Turk'' (ha?). "Kara" in turkish means "black". In greek has come to mean "much". Yes, i know that most Turks care a lot about the Palestinians (this is something in common that we have), but those who govern them do not have the same opinion. as for Smyrna, the Greek army had already left when the fire broke out; how can they be blamed, since they were not even there? ''why burn the city you captured two days ago?''... hmmm, why ] someone captured? | |||
| NAR may not be fully sovereign, but it did issue a proclaimation recognizing the sovereignty of Northern Cyprus. If the Grand Knights of the Order of Malta can be regarded as an independent entity, then why not NAR, which has a fair amount of territory? ] | |||
| :::::::Trust me, i know that the Turks have many things to care about in their daily lives and in their state. But i guess they do not have many options now: from a warlike general who advocates invasion on another state (Iraq) to an islamist who wants to become president... But these are problems the Turks themselves shall solve, without harming any of their neighbors. ] 22:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Mpa? == | |||
| Follow-up. I just looked at your reader page and realized that you are Greek, so no point arguing this issue with you. | |||
| Anasth8hkes ki esy? :-) ]] 11:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I know all about the relationship between ] and ], and the fact that a lot of New Zealanders died trying to stop the Nazi invasion in 1941. I am aware of Greece's ancient history. But I also know how hard-nosed the typical Greek is, and that any attempt to argue politics with a Greek is a useless gesture, regardless of the righteousness or wrongness of the position. ] | |||
| :Kalws ton pisw!--] 15:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Welcome back Hector. Thelis na anixis to ilektroniko tahidromio su na sizitisume? Ke ego ke o Nikos imaste sindemeni.--] 22:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| That 'invasion' was needed to stop a slaughter! I suppose that Enosis is something you beleive in. It might seem strange to you, but I believe in freedom and self-determination. But I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that you can't force two peoples who hate each other to live under the same roof. And since Greeks and Turks are always going to be at each other's throats, partition in Cyprus is the only answer. And please don't tell me that it is all ancient history. Greece is currently - in defiance of the EU regulations on Human Rights and freedom of movement - discriminating against the Albanian and Turkish minorities in Greece, and continuing to give the Republic of Macedonia a hard time. So maybe you'd better put down your bottle of Ouzo and your lamb gyro and start looking a little bit more closely at these antics of the Athens government. ] | |||
| == Tripolis Massacre== | |||
| Pork, huh? Well you're right about one thing: I didn't know Greeks ate pork gyros. On the other hand, Lamb is a dish that both Greeks and Kiwis enjoy. In regards to Cyprus however, I believe that I am right to side with the Turkish Cypriots, and that Northern Cyprus should be acknowledged as a sovereign state in its own right. As long as the Greek Cypriot dream of Enosis remains alive, there can truly be no hope of reconciliation. ] | |||
| Hecrtoian. Your sick fanatic mind should be deleted from wikipedia. Tripolis massacre is a fact. Soon I'll put in here with GREEK footnotes. Thus, you'll accept it. Are you ashamed of it, or are you just a standart nationalist which, by nature, must oversee some facts. Here in Istanbul there monuments which remind the September 6-7 pogrom. Are there any plates/monuments which remind the turkish population???? | |||
| == Mary Carey == | |||
| Few days ago greek historian Prof. Veremis also accepted the Tripolis masscre. Dirty fashist. You can tespace from truth. | |||
| ] in Trabzon, 1910 postcard]] | |||
| :Anon, firstly: new comments always go at the bottom of the page. Secondly: see ]. Thirdly: killing the Ottoman garison and officials does not constitute a massacre (i guess, for your mind, the Dervenakia was also a "massacre"...). Fourthly: don't get me started about the massacres of Greek populations by the Turks in 1821, in Constantinople, Cyprus, Smyrni , , , , and the Christians of Bucharest , and many other places. Fifthly: don't get me started about the Istanbul Pogrom... monuments mean nothing from the very moment that Turkey violated the Treaty of Lausanne... ] 23:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Without a doubt! You know can have my vote as well. :p Carey is Greek? Aren't you thinking of ]? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 23:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Baree luys== | |||
| :Angelides is Greek? I thought he was Latino! Hehehe. Who ever said that about Carey certainly knows what they're talking about... BTW, get on gmail. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 00:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Welcome back Hec, where've you been all this time =)--] 23:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==arm genocide== | |||
| ::I was just thinking...isn't there a possibility that he could be ]? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 02:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I did not remove, omit anything, please revert ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 02:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :::No, I was just showing you the photo because (a) it was interesting and (b) they had similar clothing. However, the image (]) was actually uploaded by our friend ], who is definately not Greek. I will ask him, ok? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 03:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you. Take a look, when you get a chance, at my questions on the talk page. These are real people, with real collective histories (not one story, but many). At least in the main part, these stories deserve to be told. | |||
| ::::I think Macukali is an ] (Inanna told me that once). ;-) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 03:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've just finished reading Bruce Clark's and am about to embark on Rene Hirschon's (the latter is a collection of essays - by Greeks critical of the Greek government and society, and by Turks critical of Turkish government and society). | |||
| :::::Don't you mean a ]? (Sure) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 03:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Once the organization of this article is settled, I would be happy to dip through these two for references. ] 16:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Greek motto == | |||
| :I am looking at your further expansion of the article, and have lots more questions. Please keep writing. There may be many POV or organization or weight things to be worked out, but the content you are providing is very important. Thank you. ] 16:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi! I just saw that you removed the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> template from the Greek motto on the ]. I agree that it looks like an obvious fact that Ελευθερία ή θάνατος is the Greek motto; surprisingly, finding a reference is not that easy. If you look at that page, you will see that almost all the national mottos listed have a reference; Greece is one of the rare exceptions. Since you think the request is "ridiculous", why not provide a reference, rather than deleting the request? Maybe it's because I don't speak Greek, but I couldn't find any reliable source showing that the motto is still in use today. As far as I can tell, it is not mentioned in the constitution, it does not appear on the coat of arms or on the coins or notes (neither drachma nor euro)... The only references I found either mention only the early 19th century, or are provably unreliable. If you are able to help, it would be much appreciated. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==''A Shameful Act''== | |||
| Den ksero giati tora den mporeis na mou steileis email, pos to ekanes paliotera? Ego den allaksa tipota. ] 01:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)<br> | |||
| Hey Hec, have you heard of this book just recently published in English by Taner Akcam? I just bought it the other day and while it mostly concentrates on the Armenians there is a considerably large section devoted to the Greeks and other Christian minorities (most probably the Smyrna Greeks but perhaps also the Pontic Greeks too). Check it out on Amazon:. | |||
| Lambano pantos ta email sou. ] 12:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Cheers, --] 04:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Markos Vafiades == | |||
| :Hi Hectorian, I think Pruneau has a point here. I mean, nobody can doubt that the phrase is a potent symbol of national identification for Greeks, but in order for us to list it as a "state motto" we'd need to show that it is ''legally'' enshrined as such somewhere. There would have to be some legislation instating it, like there is with the coat of arms or the national anthem. ] ] 06:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| His birthplace is given as Theodosiopolis, Asia Minor, but when Theodosiopolis was linked, it redirected to an ancient city. Do you know where this is, or what its Turkish name is? I have googled up and down, but no luck. ] 04:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Different meanings of ''delete'' :))== | |||
| :According to ], it is ] (), but I wasn't aware that the city used to have a large Greek population... <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 04:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Ok, I replied to the proposal.. I think we have a miscommunication about the meaning of ''delete''.. I dont know the specifics of what happened at the German Wiki, I have no clue, I dont know if it was renamed, deleted completely, merged or whatever.. I will correct myself then: I was referring to the ''title'', since I really don't believe that in German Wiki they would have deleted ''a whole article'' if it had enough sources and had a reasonable POV - even if it had POV, they would have put a POV tag as long as the title was correct.. So there is confusion, if any AfD comes along about this article, I am giving u my word, I will vote ''keep but rename'' (we will still be battling for NPOV though, however that's a different story :)).. By ''delete'' I wanted to refer to the article with its current title, since many AfDs result in articles being renamed.. ] 00:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Bruce Clark just gives "of refugee stock" but reports that in his memoirs '' 'General Markos' gives a vivid account of his early life in Anatolia and discloses that at the time of Lausanne he considered staying on in Turkey by dint of marrying a Turkish neighbor's daughter.'' Not encyclopedia-worthy, and doesn't tell us that Erzurum is right, but fascinating nonetheless. ] 05:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| (to Hectorian) Thanks for adding the Greek names to the river articles! :-) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 04:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Must be Erzurum; can't be Apros! Fixed at ] (redirect), ] (moved to correct spelling Apros), ] (redir/dab note), and ]. --] 06:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :A coincidence, of course! —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 04:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Quotes about the Greeks == | |||
| ::Hey, you have any objections if I move ] as well? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 05:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| HECTORIAN!! Yassou re!! These quotes you have are great!! | |||
| Can we put them (or some) our my user page? | |||
| :::Wow that was fast. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 05:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regards, | |||
| == Pan Turkism == | |||
| ''']]''' 06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Dear Hectorian | |||
| *You can find support in the article itself- İsmail Gaspıralı- lives before young Turks. See Encylopedia Britannica for roots also. | |||
| *Sun Language Theory rejected by Pan-Turkists and Turanists( They are different movements but shares some oppinions). See, Zeki Velidi Togan, scholar in Turkey and in Vienn on Turkism, Hazarians. Left Turkey due to Sun Language Theory. And his assistant Nihal Atsız left Univercity carier. Nihal Atsız was a member of radical Greywolf movement.He was judgeted in 3 may 1944 due to Pan-Turkism, among many others. He was penaltied for prison for 1 and half year. | |||
| *If we discuss about Radical Nationalist movements then "Enosis" and "Pan-Hellenism/Megali Idea" also must be take place on this article. If you have some oppinions abot them put your oppinions directly to the related article. Who say that these movements are finished/ended. Who was Makarios and Grivas, do you remember them. When they live at ancient times or at the 30 years before. How many politic parties/movement are in Greece.Are all of them democratic, liberal or not. You know the reality very well. | |||
| Regards | |||
| ] 17:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| <br>"The biggest stupidity is to suppose himself clever and the others as stupid." | |||
| <br> I'm not so clever. | |||
| Regards | |||
| ] 18:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] Newsletter - Issue VIII (IV) - April 2007 == | |||
| == ] == | |||
| The ''']''' of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. | |||
| Πες μου κάτι. Νομίζω ότι στο ] τα στατιστικά στοιχεία έχουν παλιώσει. Πιστεύω ότι θα ήταν καλή ιδέα να αντικαταστήσω τα στοιχεία με πηγές το '']'' ή τα στοιχεία της ιστοσελίδας του Υπουργείου Εξωτερικών με αυτά της Γενικής Γραμματείας Απόδημου Ελληνισμού (ή οποία είναι τμήμα του Υπουργείου Εξωτερικών), επειδή τα στοιχεία τους είναι τα πιο πρόσφατα και αυτοί εξειδικεύονται σε τέτοια ζητήματα. Αν κοιτάξεις τα στοιχεία του ''Greeks around the Globe'', θα δεις ότι είναι ίδια με αυτά που είχε η ΓΓΑΕ στις . Φυσικά θα εξακολουθούμε να χρησιμοποιούμε τις εναλλακτικές πηγές εφόσον υπάρχουν (επίσημες απογραφές, ουδέτερες εκτιμήσεις κλπ). Ρωτάω εσένα επειδή είσαι από τους πιο ενεργούς χρήστες σε αυτό το άρθρο, και δεν ήθελα να έχεις αντιρρήσεις αφότου θα είχα περάσει ώρες ανανεώνοντας τα στοιχεία ;-) Πες μου τη γνώμη σου.--] 21:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you.--] 19:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Επίσης, διάβασες το e-mail του Νικόλα σχετικά με το άρθρο που μας παιδεύει πολύ τελευταία;--] 22:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Σου τό 'πα! Δε σου τό 'πα? == | |||
| ==book covers== | |||
| Στην απίθανη περίπτωση που σου ξέφευγε: ] 00:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| the article is not about the books Hectorian. please revert, thanks. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 17:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Why on earth does it have to be about the books ''themselves''? It is about what the books advocate. ]] 17:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Redirect == | |||
| ::Because it is so. "to illustrate an article discussing the book in question" People are even discussing whether it can be used on the articles on the authors of the books. | |||
| Something is wrong.sorry.I changed my password. | |||
| Regards | |||
| ] 14:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please see these (especially file links section): ], ], ], ], ], ]. If you need more, check ]. I checked first fifteen. The fifteenth one also has the author. There was one more with two links, one to the book, one to the CD/DVD. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 23:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Des il tah :D --] 20:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Hello== | |||
| Greetings, as an Armenian I would like to extend thanks to you and other Greeks for working cooperatively on Armenian/Greek related issues on Misplaced Pages so as to improve not only their quality but most importantly, their accuracy. The article on the Pontic Greeks was something I had not heard about before however, what happend to its population did not surprise me. I regularly look through books in the library and one of the most poignant sources I have used come from news reports such as the NYT which extensively covered the Genocide with photographs. If you feel it relevant, I recently scanned an image of the Russian military occupying Trebizond in 1916 next to impoverished remnants of the city's population and can upload it here so you can use them. | |||
| ==GEIA== | |||
| I'll try to scour for more pictures regarding other ethnicities during that time period. Cheers --] 02:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Epidi tha lipso to epomeno sarandaochtaoro... Mporis na rihnis kai kammia matia kai s`]? ] einai o mythoplastis... Thanks. --] 04:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] Newsletter - Issue IX (V) - May 2007 == | |||
| == TRWT-Rv == | |||
| The ''']''' of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. | |||
| Dear Hectorian, | |||
| Why you revert this article. I didnt put a link as "Turkish Minority of Western Thrace" ( in fact there must be). I linked to "Muslim minority..." article with only with an explanation "Turk..". "Turkish minority" is directly related with this article not "Muslim minority". | |||
| Any one who read this article possibly will not interested in "See also: Muslim minority...." but instead "Turkish minority..." which will directed the reader to "Muslim Minority..." page. This is obvious. | |||
| Please dont help nationalists. Due to these attacks I am obliging to advocate opposite nationalist behaviour that I dont desire much. | |||
| Please guide Tekleni in creative works. | |||
| Regards | |||
| ] 14:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you.--] 20:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Flag of Lewis== | |||
| ::hectorian, u misunderstood; i meant ethnically period, the external links mentioned are the websites of a ''town'' called Hamseni, it doesn't mention anything about armenians or hamsheni culture... Have you taken a look at the websites?? :)) They don't refer to anything about hamsheni culture, hamsheni armenians or anything to do with hamsheni demographics or culture.. They are websites that give meteorological, casual info about a town called ''Hamseni'' :)) take it easy! :) As for the template, I changed it to ''where turkic languages are spoken'', it is not a people template, it is a language template..] 21:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| A "{{]}}" template has been added to the article ], suggesting that it be deleted according to the ] process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's ], and the deletion notice explains why (see also "]" and ]). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the <code><nowiki>{{dated prod}}</nowiki></code> notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on ]. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the ], the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the ] or it can be sent to ], where it may be deleted if ] to delete is reached. ] 20:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Project European Union== | |||
| :::Why do you undo my edits without reading my edit summaries, asking me why I did them in the first place or assuming good faith?? Pls take a look at those websites and tell me if there is anything about hamshenis.. Only info u will find is the administrative procudures of the municipality of the town ''Hamseni'' :)) ] 21:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hello {{PAGENAME}}, you are member of the project European Union. I try to create a new project page for the project. You can see it at ] Because this should be the project page for all it´s members, please tell me, what you think about it. Please leave your comments on the ] of the project.--] 11:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| {{User:Ssolbergj/question}} | |||
| ::::In fact, not even Hamseni, the town's name is ''Hemsin''.. :) ] 21:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == TRWT == | |||
| == Chrisostomos Smyrnis == | |||
| TRWT is Official name as they declared. Google search gives results from same root. | |||
| To arthro gia ton Chrisostomo Smyrnis exei kakopoithoi apo Tourkous xristes se apisteuto vathmo!! Prospatho na to diorthoso alla xreiazomai voithia!!!! | |||
| regards.] 08:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] 16:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==EOKA== | |||
| :The "official name they declared" for what Misplaced Pages calls ] is "Pridnestrovie". Your argument makes no sense.--] 10:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I am proposing to split the article on EOKA into two separate articles. I noticed you have contributed to the article so if you are still interested, please have a look at the ] and add any of your thoughts. ] (]) 16:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry Hectorian, | |||
| Tekleni,burası hektorian'ın mesaj sayfası.Ne senin, ne de benim.Fanatik ve (profesyonelce finanse edilen) görüşlerini bırak ta wikipedia'ya biraz katkıda bulunmaya çalış. Benimle temas kurmanı da istemiyorum.Bu -sende gelişme olduğunu görünceye kadar- sana son mesajımdır. | |||
| ] 12:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== ] == | ||
| is a recipe for POV disruption. Don't try it. ] ] 21:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Salutations ], about the ], my own concerns where more about the format, the name being all capitol letters and the shortened, or ''de facto'' (for lack of a better term) name. Our own wiki articles on states (ex, ], ], etc) usualy indicate the ''de jure'' name in its native language, with regular grammar when concerning the lettering. Simply my thoughts on the subject. Farewell.--] 13:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Misplaced Pages was a more peaceful place during the summer while you were away. Be careful. ] ] 21:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Ehis e-mail...--] 17:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Here's the deal: You go and read up on the original discussion about this map. It's at ], and three sections down from there. 95% of the objections you are raising were covered in the discussion at the time, which ended in a solid consensus for having the map, among all established Greek contributors. If and when you have ''understood'' what the map shows and why it shows it the way it does, and if you then still have questions about it or factual corrections, you're welcome to raise them again. Until then, I expect of you the fairness and respect for the many previous editors' hard work, to leave the map in place for the time being. So, please revert yourself now. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ::Alternative is, I'll be treating you as a common POV-pushing semivandal from now on. I know you can be better than that. Sanctions under ] are never very far away these days. ] ] 11:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Okay, treat you as a POV-pushing semivandal it is, then. I'll restore the map to the long-standing consensus, you can edit war about it until you're banned. Have fun. ] ] 13:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| As you know, I have no objections. ;-) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 17:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::] In a 2007 ], administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing ]-related articles in a disruptive way. If you {{#if: | continue with the behaviour on ]| engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area}}, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-balkans2--> ] ] 13:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hectorian of course it's up to you if you really want to take Fut.Perf.'s "advice" seriously. He's an involved editor with a strong POV. Remember, he's the one who pushed for the merge of ] to ]. And what he does right now is preventing the creation of potentially good articles because they might not agree with his POV, so a direct violation of ], #4: "''Mischaracterizing other editors' actions to make them seem unreasonable or improper''". As long as the content of the articles is encyclopaedic, useful, verifiable and not a duplication of other articles then nobody can prevent it from remaining here. --] 22:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Ke xana...--] 18:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Έχει καταντήσει ανυπόφορος == | |||
| ::Ke pali.--] 19:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] might be of interest to you. ] (]) 05:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==PLEASE STOP== | |||
| :You could comment on his incivility and antisocial attitude in general (if you distinguished something like that in his behavior). Anyway, the reason I made the RFC on him known to you was in order to notify you about his long history of incivility and (pseudo)authoritarian acting out. Ο τύπος έχει ανεπίλυτα προβλήματα ψυχολογικής υφής, ή κάτι πάρα πολύ χειρότερο (το οποίο, σίγουρα, δε συνάδει με τη νοοτροπία αυτής της ελεύθερης εγκυκλοπαίδειας). Xαιρετώ. ] (]) 14:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute | |||
| ::Λοιπόν φίλε. Έχω κάτι να σου προτείνω: αν έχεις (ή προτίθεσαι να βρεις) έγκυρες πηγές σχετικά με τις γλώσσες/διαλέκτους της Ελλάδας, μπορώ να βοηθήσω στο σχεδιασμό ενός χάρτη (καλύτερου ποιοτικά απ' τις, σχεδόν, νηπιακές μουντζούρες του σλαβοβαρεμένου—μα δεν είμαι μετριόφρων;). Αλλά θα πρέπει να υπάρχουν έγκυρες/εμπεριστατωμένες πηγές. Και θα χρειαστώ σχετική καθοδήγηση, μιας και δεν είμαι εξοικειωμένος με γλωσσολογικά θέματα. Είναι καιρός να σταματήσει να ενοχλεί τον κόσμο ο σλαβοφανατικός φίλος μας/εθνομαία, Λούκας (ρε μπας κι είναι Λούκατς;) με τις ιδεοληψίες του (βέβαια, μπορεί να το κάνει για ένα κομμάτι ψωμί, δεν το γνωρίζουμε· υποθέσεις κάνουμε). Καληνύχτα. ] (]) 18:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I am withing my rights to label the dispute--] 06:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Βρε βρε βρε... == | ||
| ...αυτά! Φεύγω πάλι τώρα. Γειάααα! ]] 18:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| {{user|Prespari}} made two changes I wanted to ask you about: to ] and to ]. Do you know much about Northern Epirus? Perhaps you can provide sources for some of these claims. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 07:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Ok, thanks! —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 08:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == language map on Greece == | |||
| ::Lol, no idea. ;-) —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 08:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I support removing it immediately and taking it to arbitration it anyone objects. Please view my comments on the talk page for the reasons why. --] (]) 05:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Antalya== | |||
| ==Ποιό== | |||
| Thank you for the reference. You asked why i put the tag for reference. Simple: That's just because i could not trust your edits, cause i know some of your edit wars before. I was born in Turkey, i did not have a chance to choose my nationality, languauge,... You should be objective towards everybody, whether you like or not. If you would use the talk/discussion pages or send me an e-mail, there would be no problem. I consulted some experienced wikipedians, just because i have a feeling that you would never take comments into account. That's it. Sorry for doing this, but there's no other way. ] 07:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| είναι το backround του και έχει τέτοιο κόλλημα με τις μεινότητες στην Ελλάδα και με τον χάρτη του; Για τον ανατολή ηλίου μιλάω. --] (]) 11:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Κοίταξε, είναι αδύνατον μόνο και μόνο επειδή είναι διαχειριστής να δημιουργεί τέτοιο πρόβλημα. Από το "εσείς οι τρεις δεν είστε συναίνεση" που είπε, οι τρεις έγιναν δέκα+, κι ακόμη κι αυτοί που ανέφερε ότι τον στήριζαν ήρθαν και είπαν άλλα. Έλεγξε την Αίτηση για Σχόλιο που είναι σχετική με αυτόν για να δεις ότι το κάνει συνέχεια από έλλειψη επιχειρημάτων, να επαναλαμβάνει τα ίδια με αγενή τρόπο "προς κατωτέρους" "εθνικιστές". Η συζήτηση αυτή έχει πλέον του ενός μηνός και βλέπω να είναι ο μόνος που στηρίζει τον χάρτη, επειδή είναι ο δημιουργός του, κι επειδή έχει κόλλημα με το Σκοπιανό. Ε δεν γίνεται να συνεχίζεται επ'άπειρον. Είδες τι σου πε στη σελίδα του: "Δεν καταλαβαίνεις". Πίστευω η ώρα να του πούμε πως επιτεύχθηκε συναίνεση ήρθε. Μέσα σε ένα μήνα θα είχαν εμφανιστεί κι άλλοι να στηρίζουν την παραμονή του χάρτη, αλλά σιώπησαν.--] (]) 11:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi, For the Antalya article again, i actually asked the reference related with the whole paragraph (about King Attalos), i never hesitated the Greek translation of it. Anyway, giving references always better, i'm interested in Anatolian history, i'm always curious about historical sources. I also do not like politicians, but this does not necessitates to attack the articles where they are mentioned. If you do not like the arguments, you can try to balance them with counter arguments based on reliable sources or discuss the issue in the talk/discussion pages. I should confess that i'm also guilty cause i should have tried to contact you first. Apologizing, ] 08:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Barnstars (Map issue) == | |||
| ==That polytonic template== | |||
| Just put it in to make the fonts look consistent for both quotes, not to make the spelling itself polytonic. But it's of no big importance of course. ] ] 11:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em; color:#9D741A; font-family:Comic Sans MS, Arial, Helvetica;" | '''The Socratic Barnstar''' | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I, ] award to you, Hectorian, the Socratic barnstar, for your excellent arguments and tireless efforts in the "Minority Linguistic Map issue", so that the issue was resolved.Keep up the good work!--] (]) 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Please check atricle for last contribution, and put your oppinions on talk page. | |||
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| Regards | |||
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| ] 17:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The ] Barnstar of National Merit''' | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray; height:5em;"| I, ], award to you, Hectorian, the Barnstar of Greek National Merit, for playing major role in resolving a major issue (the Minority Linguistic Map issue) in the article of ] itself!--] (]) 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |<sub>''this WikiAward was given to Hectorian by ] (]) on 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)''</sub> | |||
| |} | |||
| ==AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece== | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| ]An article that you have been involved in editing, ], has been listed for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Adw --> ] (]) 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for playing fair, I am trying to have a rational discussion and respect the rules. | |||
| I don't know why Eupator and Clevander thought they could get away with moving your comment. | |||
| --] 00:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Please refactor talk page edit == | |||
| == Ela == | |||
| Hectorian, | |||
| Psakse ligo sthn phgh pou ebala gia ta quotes sou, 8a breis na cite-areis ki alla. Ebala ki egw ena wraio quote sth selida mou. Den einai gia tous Ellhnes bebaia, (fobamai mh mou kaneis asfalistika metra gia ''clopy''-right :) alla kati einai ki ayto... ] 12:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| to the ] is problematic. At a minimum it ], but more than that, it seems to contain an ill-considered accusation, and a serious accusation, that your fellow editors might compromise the safety of others in the Real World. Please remove the comment. ] (]) 01:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Oute egw klebw ta pneymatika dikaiwmata apo filarakia! :-) ] 12:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Blasphemy == | ||
| Hello Hector! Τι κάνεις;; Σε παρακαλώ ρίξε μιά ματιά σε αυτή τη βλασφημία: ]. O γνωστός και μη εξαιρετέος Emperordarius το παίζει άλλος και εξακολουθεί να υποστηρίζει ότι ο Πύρρος είναι Ιλλύριος!! Για όνομα...--] (]) 22:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Dear Hectorian. Two hours ago you moved ] to ]. No need nationalism. Did you ever know ,where Barthelomeo was born two days ago. I am trying to be neutral. I contribute many things as well as the Barthelomeo's birth place,and I asked your oppinion(with khoikhoi and Tekleni) not any Turkish user. Please be reasonable. | |||
| Much regards. | |||
| <font face="Brush Script MT" color="red" size="3">]</font>] 18:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Crunching the numbers== | |||
| == Fener Rum Patriği == | |||
| Hector, I love you file mou but I think my source is more official. In my opinion the numbers are even lower, but who listens to me... :-(. Also, in my opinion, the number of Greek speakers in FY/ROM who are citizens of that state (and excluding those who learnt the language working over the summer in Thessaloniki, Macedonia and the islands) are probably over 20,000... alla kai pali, pio me akouei... Kalo savvatokyriako. :-( ] (]) 15:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == "TRNC" == | |||
| Dear hectorian, | |||
| Yes I moved this article, in my first 3rd day in wiki.(only one move-with an explanation in summary, why).13 september. Same day I saw discussions and newer edited/moved again,for consensus, look history. | |||
| You are free to rename a person or institute as you wish. | |||
| :But "official" means is official. This holly person is a Turkish citizen, in Turkey all religional activities ordered by laws, not by mutual statements. | |||
| :Your allege; "Ecumenic" and of "Constantinople". Is partiarchate a current institute or historic? If current, name of the city is Istanbul not Constantinople. If historic, it is not Ecumenic. | |||
| Thinh about it. | |||
| Regards | |||
| <font face="Brush Script MT" color="red" size="3">]</font>] 19:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :No nationalism, please. Self-id comes first: Bart. says he's the "Ecumenical Patriarch". Period. According to that logic, we should move ] to ], and ] to ].--] 19:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC) (episis Hektoniane, des il tah!) | |||
| The developments here might be of interest to you. I've basically explained to them that they are dead wrong, but I might as well be arguing against a brick wall. --] (]) 17:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==coincidences== | |||
| ==Right== | |||
| Hi, I commented again on ]'s and ]'s talk/discussion pages. That's just because the coincidences (hectorian's and tekleni's being together almost at the same time on the same page) are too much. However, this does not mean the claims are true. I wrote Khoikhoi, cause he knows you better. There is no bad faith in it. After getting information from other users, i closed the issue as i wrote to Duja. That's it. I'm trying to know you better, cause i have a feeling that we'll see each other frequently. ] 23:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Now you really got me thinking... You have a point, most of them (70%?) are probably born in Greece or Cyprus (also some in Istanbul, Alexandria, Jerusalem and other such places). But George Michael is considered Greek (Cypriot), I was at a Greek function the other day with his father :). I would be inclined to accept that if we took into consideration people of 'Greek heritage', then the numbers would increase quite a bit. ] (]) 11:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| To epsaxa kai pou na deis. Alla tipota to episimo (mono auto to biblio tis Voulis). Numbers vary between 100,000 to 350,000 according individual estimations. There has been no research. ] (]) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Strongly, agree. Maybe better to ask each other rather than consulting to others. Cheers ] 23:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Filotti family == | |||
| Thank you.--] 14:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for including the Greek writing for the name of the Filotti family. I am not able to write anything in Greek, and therefore I would just like to discuss the issue with you. The name you wrote down is Filottis. I have my doubts about the spelling, as in Greek the double T is unusual. There are Greek family names Filotis (with a single T) which might have been the name of Ion Filotti, the ancestor of the Romanian branch of the family. | |||
| ==Rigas== | |||
| Hi. Sorry, I hadn't intended to blank, and I don't know how it happened - some error of some sort, as I specifically reverted to my version (a weird technical problem?). ] 19:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Actually, I see that the text was posted twice on one page. What the hell happened? ] 19:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The question which I am not answer is whether the final S which you suggested in correct or not. The village on the island of Naxos - from where the family probably drew its name - is called Filoti (not Filotis) - there is also another small island in the Aegean sea which is also called Filoti. The church in the village of Filoti is called Panagia Filotitissa. | |||
| Hectorian, please tell ] why he is confused and absurd in his edits on ]. If I am to understand correctly, one POV says that the Aromanians are Latinised Greeks etc, and not that Aromanians do not exist. Currently, the article on ] lists all populations ever referred to under the exonym, from Romanians to Aromanians. Thus, ] becomes a ''specific article'', as the other user has admitted himself when he posted on my talk page that Vlachs covers everything, from Romanians to Morlachs. Rigas Feraios is, to the best of my knowledge, an Aromanian - the fact has thus nothing to do with the dispute over the character and origin of Aromanians (judging by your edits, you seem to agree with me). For a mysterious reason, the said user has also implied that Neagu Djuvara is "biased" for being a Romanian: I ask if this has anything to do with anything - even if he were biased just for having a certain citizenship, I fail to see what is disputed about his using the precise "Aromanian" instead of the vague "Vlach". Thank you. ] 20:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, Hectorian, much of that is what I was telling Sshadow: the issue had no possible logical connection with the dispute between POVs, and calling Feraios "Aromanian" did not harm the usual Greek POV in any way (nor advanced the standard Romanian POV). For some reason, S began charging me and Djuvara of "having a POV", even though this (if at all probable) had no connection with anything in the article. Just in case, I thought I'd let him know why he is wrong about "my POV" (even though I reject the standard Greek assessments for being politically-motivated, I have the same attitude towards the standard Romanian views, and for the same reason). Also just in case, I thought I'd let him know why it is not constructive to start waving around accusations of "having a POV" just for belonging to a certain nationality (a non sequitur in any civilized society), and why he should consider the paradox of this particular a priori charge of nationalism in connection with the nationalist philosophy that is motivating the charge itself! That is all. ] 13:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| While I therefore consider that the most probable spelling of the original name should be Filoti (and I have corrected your intervention accordingly), I would still seek your advice on the matter. ] (]) 05:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Το θέμα δεν είναι η καταγωγή τους. Το θέμα είναι ότι το Vlach είναι το εξώνυμο με το οποίο είναι γνωστοί οι Βλάχοι στην αγγλική γλώσσα, όχι το Aromanian (μια, ας πούμε, υπο-ομάδα). ] 20:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please be so kind and add the s. I don't have a greek keyboard and finding out where the letters are located is too tedious. | |||
| == Re == | |||
| ::Thank you for your response. I think it is more productive to have discussions of this kind, where I can get a better understanding about a certain subject, that disputes about issues. I really hope that you did not mind my question and I hope to keep in touch. Regards.] (]) 20:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ITN == | |||
| Thanks!! Have you seen my ? :p —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 01:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Rename riots into unrest ? == | |||
| Would you mind explaining to me why calling an incident in late antiquity involving a Greek man desiring a beautiful boy "pederastic" is "blatantly povish"? This is what Gibbon had to say about it: "Botheric, the general of those troops, and, as it should seem from his name, a barbarian, had among his slaves a beautiful boy, who excited the impure desires of one of the charioteers of the circus." ] 03:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, your opinion is requested : ] ] ] 09:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Roma== | |||
| == Muchas gracias == | |||
| The Roma from Greece are in the same characteristics like other ethnic minorities in Greece (Aromanians, Albanians, Slavs): they have a Greek identity: | |||
| * Read : ''Many of the assimilated Roma, who have integrated into Greek society, '''consider themselves primarily Greek''', and Roma only in the second place, and are therefore called "Greek Roma," distinguishing them from the marginalized "Roma of Greece."'' | |||
| * Read : ''Roma in Greece, as it is all over the world, have their internal, in lesser of bigger extent endogamy subdivisions, with the corresponding ethno cultural and dialectal characteristics. Such Roma groups in Greece are Gifti (Yifti), who '''are mainly Greek speaking; part of them is with preferred Greek identity''' '' | |||
| * Read : ''Roma in Greece are not an homogeneous group either, and some of the Balkan families are also found in this country. There are three main communities: the Yifti, '''who speak Greek and many of them have Greek identity''', the Türk-Yifti, who speak Turkish and often prefer a Turkish identity, and the various Romany speaking tribes, with Romany identity although considering themselves part of the Hellenic civilization and culture.''<br>Cheers! --] (]) 18:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Very weak arguments, Hectorian. They are Aromanians who regard themselves as an own ethnic group as well as Slaves, Roma, Arvanites etc do. And on the other side they are Aromanians who regard themselves as Greeks, same in the case of the Slaves, Roma, Arvanites etc. If you insist to add all these groups, then you must accept the Roma too. I hope you're not an ].<br> | |||
| ] | |||
| ::PS: Concerning the origins of the Aromanians there enough to read ]. Don't forget that on this issue, there are different vievs between the Aromanians and between the scientists too. And we are talking here '''about''' the Roma,''' not''' the Aromanians. --] (]) 22:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hectorian, you're obvoiusly an antiziganist and your last revert is called in Misplaced Pages ]. I gave you as a more detailed example the situation of the Aromanians because I have more knowledges about the Aromanians then about the Arvanites, Slavophones etc. from a simple reson: my wife is Aromanian. However, the fact that my wife is Aromanian or that you are an Aromanian is completely irrelevant for Misplaced Pages. You must give sources for your claim. You can't fool me, Hectorian. They are also Aromanians in Greece ] then you want to put it across. Of course, it is also true for Arvanites and Slavophones. From the same reason you insist to include those peoples, you must accept the Roma too (moreover because they are sources, as you saw above, that clearly puts the Roma in the same category). Or, do you feel ashamed about the Roma? --] (]) 18:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hey Hectorian, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent ]. It succeeded, and I am '''very''' grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, ''please don't hesitate to ask''. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 04:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
| :Ok, how's ? —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 22:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I' ve seen you have contributed to this article in the past, I would appreciate it if you could please review the recent changes and assist in "wikifying" or expanding it? Thanks--] (]) 18:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Requested Move== | |||
| ::Hey, have you noticed the new ] article? What do you think of it? <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 03:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Gia sou Hectorian. You being on-and-off involvoed with Wikiproject Assyria, I was wondering if you could give your input here: ]. ] (]) 09:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| On the talk page of the Greco-Turkish war, you changed "Archbishop" to "Metropolitan". I'm sure I could figure out the difference if I researched it but I'd appreciate it if you could explain the difference to me in a nutshell. Thanx. --] 15:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Hectorian, a very good friend of mine is a history professor specilized also on history of religion. I discussed the issue with him a long time ago. I shall ask him for "scientific" sources and also the historical progress of the patriarchy. If you send me an e-mail, i can send you the documents and references. Regards, ] 16:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, —— ''']]<sup><small>]</small></sup>''' 03:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :As i said before, i'll ask for "scientific" sources which are expected to be neutral. Actually, i do not know what kind of information i'll get from my friend (whether they are available online or not), that's why i ask for your e-mail. Anyway, the sources would be neutral and scientific (i'm very keen on these issues, being neutral and scientific). ] 16:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Βοήθεια για τη Μακεδονία == | |||
| ::One more note, http://www.patriarchate.org/ is not the official site of the patriarchy itself cause the adress links to a greek site http://www.ec-patr.gr/. Anyway, i'm not concerned about these, what i'm interested in is whether it is really a world-wide recognized organization or not. ] 17:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Καλημέρα | |||
| Θέλω να βοηθήσω τα άτομα (editors) που ασχολούνται με το θέμα της Μακεδονίας. Με ποιον να έρθω σε επαφή και με ποιόν τρόπο (πως μπορώ να στείλω κρυφό μήνυμα)? | |||
| :::I had a brief conversation with my friend on the phone. He said historically it was ecumenical up to Lausanne. Although there is nothing in the treaty about the status of the patriarchy, the Turkish government permitted the patriarchy to stay in istanbul after the negotiations in Lausanne. However, the official status itself is controversial according to the Turkish laws and international treaties. I'll do some research on this and try to get back to you. ] 18:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Μπορείτε να επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μου στο bobptz παπάκι Τζιμαιλ τελεία κομ. | |||
| ::::One more note, the issue has nothing to do with Ataturk. The controversy arise form the fact that there is no consensus or international agreement on the formal/official status in Turkey (laws, treaties, ...etc). Regards ] 19:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 10:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi, Hectorian. There is one important thing i want you to know. I'm not a spokesman of turkish government. I'm reflecting what i know or what i observe. I was born in turkey. One of my grandfathers was bulgarian, the other was turkish. One of my grand mothers was greek, the other was turkish. However, i'm living in Turkey, as Turkish citizen. I'm proud of it cause turkey is a multi-national, multi-lingual, multi-religional or to simplify multi-cultural country. Please, keep this in mind. Kind regards ] 18:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :I always appreciate your opinion. I'm agree with you in most cases, but please try to understand that turkey is not an independent country. Its politics mostly governed by others rather than the people of turkey. i'm socialist person but unfortunately todays situation is not able to reach that point. This requires patience and work. Maybe in the future, i hope, turkey will become more democratic and developed country. However, you should not expect this to happen immediately. As you might already know from Fyodor Dostoevsky's works "time solves everything". Cheers! ] 19:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::Of course, time does not cure everything, and also the river does not go back. Furthermore, one cannot cross the river two times as Heraclitus said. However, that's my wish. Perhaps, it may work. We'll see. One more note, if you want to contact me you can send me an e-mail, cause i do not have too much time nowadays to contribute wikipedia. Keep in touch young brother, ] 20:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Do not revert before explaining why my changing was wrong, please. Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia#Wrong_citation --] 12:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I can't find the picture or its permission anywhere. There are free pictures of Bartholomew, so I will use one of those in the article. ] (]) 11:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Armenia in Europe== | |||
| I am a member of the ] (Association of Members' Advocates) currently acting on behalf of ], who has named you as one of the participants in the dispute over whether Armenia is in Europe or Asia. Caligvla has listed a number of reference sources classifying Armenia as an Asian country. He claims that the only sources quoted by your side of the dispute are ''1.) an obsecure Canadian website that places Armenia in Europe, and a BBC article that mistakenly places Armenia in Europe.'' Can you please respond to this and give your side of the argument (preferably on my userpage)? Under the AMA principle of ], you have the right to be heard. (NB Copies of this message have been placed on the talkpage of all those who Caligvla has named as participants in the dispute.) ] 09:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for your comments. As you can see, the straw poll has provoked equally strong support and opposition for the proposed changes. It's useful, if only to show that there are strong feelings on both sides of this debate - but it sends us back to square one, in that the opposition from you, ] and] is strong enough that I don't have a mandate to make the changes. As such, having failed to find a compromise of my own, I'm now inviting everyone else to suggest one. We need to find a way of saying, in a way that no one finds offensive, that Armenia is both in Asia and in Europe and that the domestic political situation reflects links with both continents. Any ideas would be welcomed. ] 12:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Good job my friend.Congrats for your effort.I dont see why the university of Constantinopoli cant be among the oldest universities of europe.I think that until today most europeans have a complex against byzantium and they dont recognize its offer to Renescance,maybe cause it was called "greek empire"---and they are bored with the greek offer in science---,maybe cause nowadays the city belongs to turkey.i dont know...ciao! ] (]) 18:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| Dear Hectorian, | |||
| :'''Article about a "republic" that was never proclaimed as per the article. (How do we know it was a republic then?) It speaks of "the government of an embryonic state"... This is simpy creating history by WP.''' | |||
| You may right.But Rv is not a good way, since you delete some contributions also. Please edit on my version. I am ready to discuss all details word-by-word on articles talk page. | |||
| Hay, please revert back and make modifications on which part you want, later lets discuss on these modifications. | |||
| I think we can find our way. | |||
| Regards. | |||
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| *Dear Hectorian, | |||
| Please see population table, is it possible to make more pretty&legible? | |||
| regards | |||
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| *Dear Hectorian, | |||
| :Re. place names. I think that "Older Greek name is .." not make a sense if we consider your pov. This means obviously "older", not in use now. Is it possible to change this statements like as; "name in Greek,(also official older name)" or "(older Turkish official) name in Greek." or any other you offer. | |||
| Regards. | |||
| <font face="Brush Script MT" color="red" size="3">]</font>] 11:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Nomination of ] for deletion == | |||
| The link is misleading. His mother is not wholly Greek - if we do not draw a line somewhere in esatblishing what a Greek-Romanian is, we are bound to end up with an irrelvant pile. See ], and please don't react without looking into the problems posed. Thanks. ] 15:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The very point of this, Hectorian, is that ''he'' may not not want to be listed. I don't know about Anniston, but, when we delve this far into intimacies, we would have to rely on what the persoon accepts about himself or helself. Whan you have one Greek parent, I guess it is reasonable - obbjectively, you are half Greek. But when your more distant relatives are Greeks, you do not really count as Greek ''unless you want to''. The problem is especially thorny in Romania, where thousands of people can be thusly judged as Greek, although they have never judged ''themselves'' Greek. ] 21:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, and I'd appreciate less bombastic and repetitive rhetoric about my supposed POV. ] 21:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hectorian, when does a person stop being Greek? Just how many generations does it take? Presumably, since the question does have an answer, no matter what that answer is, there is a criterion to observe. That means: Tăriceanu's mother is Greek-Romanian; he is less likely to be one. If one is Greek for having a Greek ''grandparent'' or even ''great-grandparent'' (despite ''no indication'' that he would feel Greek or want to be identified as one), there's no stopping the madness. That would also make me "Bulgarian", ] "Greek", and most of the Americans in the 13 colonies "English"! ] 21:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::So, basically, your answer is that "you know people have no connection to x ethnicity when they have no connction to x ethnicity"... What I had asked, Hectorian, was to tell me ''when'' they have no connection to x ethnicity. | |||
| :::You have also specifically asked for examples where what you have said does not apply ''on wikipedia''. For God's sake, Hectorian, I ''knew'' that Charles had Greek roots and that the colonial Americans were generation English people. That is ''why'' I was providing the examples. For starters, even if the American census does require (as many other ones) a self-definition of ethnicity, returns as "Englishmen" are about zero. Now, in case we're done avoiding the subject, go ahead and include Charles into the category for Greek-Englishmen (otr whatever it is called), and go and include George Washimgtom, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson etc and all their scions to the 3rd (or is it 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th?) generation in "English-Americans". Let me know when you're done with that,and we'll see about Tăriceanu. ] 17:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Again, Hectorian, the issue is when does one stop being a "Greek-something". The issue would thus involve some of the descendants of a Greek, but how many? Why is it that ] is not the same "something" as ]? Reflect upon that, then consider that Tăriceanu's mother, and just his mother, is ''partly'' Greek. For royal families (you may note that I have removed Michael I from the links based on the same reasoning), the criteria do not apply not only because they belong ''par excellence'' to the nation they rule, but because the descendance would be too complicated to be meaningful. I have fought at length with several Romanian users about the Caragiales, supporting their inclusion - at worse, one of the Caragiales was half-Greek. I have also favoured adding Phanariote families in Romania en masse, despite the fact that most of their members have not identified themselves as Greek (and I thanked God that I could tag it to failies, instead of having to "pedigree" individual members). But Tăriceanu, Hectorian, Tăriceanu is ''less than half'' Greek... an information only available in obscure sources, and not provided by the man himself (which would not matter, IMO, for a Greek or a non-Greek). How much further will we stretch the criteria? ] 18:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Could you explain the relation of Kemalist ideology with Taksim? ] 18:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The Kemalist ideology actually does not reflect all the turkish politics. You know during the operation atilla, not only ecevit but also erbakan was at the government (there was a coalition). As far as i know Megali idea was the aim of establishing a Greek state that covers all the Greeks. For this reason, although abandoned, the aim itself is related with the issue. There is no need to add enosis cause it is already mentioned in the article. I still cannot see any relation with Kemalism in any sense. ] 19:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::After Ataturk's death, only the name Kemalism stayed in the politics of turkey. Although everybody, even in turkey, consider the system to be Kemalist, this is not true both in practice and theory. Kemalism is related with left-wing policy but especially after the Nato membership turkey totally left Kemalist ideology, only the name remains. About the megali idea, ok, you certainly know better, i trust you. What do you propose? ] 19:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, maybe better to have them all. Cheers! ] 12:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::There may be multiple wikifications i did not noticed them, but i'd like to know why you removed only the enosis and turkish cypriot wikifications. There are also greek, greece, turkish multiple wikifications, but you selected these ones. Regards ] 17:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :::It has nothing to do with politics, but if Aromanian isn't a language, why isn't the page at ]? What's wrong with mentioning the name? Should we delete it from ] and ] as well? As for the Albanian name, there actually ''are'' ] living in the city, and "Janinë" seems pretty distinct to me... So the answer is actually "yes". <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 00:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Ok, so we can remove the Aromanian name because Aromanian is not really a language. As for the Cham Albanians, you just ain't lookin'. Compare to the Turkish editor over at ] who deleted the stuff about Greek-speaking Muslims living in the city. He said, "my cousin's been there an he doesn't know what you guy's are talking about". Remeber that Misplaced Pages is based on ], not facts, and reports Albanians living the region. Even if it's not that different, you know that Albanian and Greek are different languages. <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 01:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Alright, I managed to find another source. :-) You asked me: "did they ever rule the city?". According to : | |||
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| How's that? <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 02:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :So would you have objections to me adding the Ottoman Turkish name then? :-) (you can see how desperate I am!) <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 02:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::The Greek name used to be at the ], I don't know who removed it. But the Ottomans were there for centuries...isn't that long enough? Yes, I know it's in the Arabic script. <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 02:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I know—you Greeks have been all over the freakin' world. ;-) I intended to add in the Arabic script, ] would probably know it, but he appears to have left Misplaced Pages... <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Hey
Welcome back my friend. :-) Khoikhoi 00:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- BTW, what do you think of this edit? Was I right in reverting? Khoikhoi 23:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, what's up.. Happy new year to you too! I am sorry for the edit summary. I was just coming out of another stressful debate somewhere else... In any case, it doesn't matter either way for me for the Turkish diaspora thing. As for Hagia Sophia and Sinan, I see what you mean. I only thought that it would unbalance the article. Anyways, talk to you soon! Baristarim 00:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Done, although he's still prowling around... ;-) Khoikhoi 00:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Turkish diaspora
Thanks! I also tried hard to find a reference for the Turkish population in Brazil, but it was hard to proceed with the little Portuguese I can understand, on the governmental statistics site (the English version of which currently doesn't work, unfortunately). I noticed the good work on Greek diaspora, and I think it also owes much to the Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών doing its job very well. I have a slight problem with your last edit though: I do not agree that the distinction between Turkish and Turkic is obvious at all to an average person, and as we are trying make an encyclopedia article I believe we should aspire to explain things in detail instead of removing information. When I received your message, I was just working on rephrasing that, with which I hope you won't have problem. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, I'm also trying to make sense of Portuguese with my knowledge of Latin :) You are right to say that "Turkish diaspora" is not that much ambiguous, but I'm focusing more on the "Turks living outside of Turkey" part. As we are trying to make a definition in an encyclopedic sense, I believe that information should be included. I really hope that you won't have a problem with the current version. Baristarim was apologizing for missing and overwriting my edit in a hurry. Regards again, Atilim Gunes Baydin 01:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- I was also hoping that you could perhaps help with finding the correct number of Greek citizens of Turkish ethnicity. Atilim Gunes Baydin 01:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks! I will try to continue my search tomorrow. I checked the external links of Muslim minority of Greece, honestly I was not aware that there was a political problem surrounding the correct number of Turks in Greece. The only official source given is in Greek (I regret I can't understand much), and the Human Rights Watch links are dead. After checking the rest, I think the number you mentioned on my talk page sounds quite about right. I don't know on which time zone you are now but I'm going to sleep. Thanks for the help :) Atilim Gunes Baydin 02:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
So how was your holidays finally? I am sorry for the haphazard reply of yesterday, I have been running from place to place and I am also doing other things on my computer! Baristarim 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know about that story, but looks like some crackpot thing. In any case, the problem is much bigger. I don't know if you have been following, but there have been some problems in other articles as well. Listen, can you take a look here (see its history and the intro, and the blind reverts). I spent an hour on that page this weekend finding academic sources and writing the intro to reflect precisely the timeline. I just keep on getting reverted blindly. And I have to keep track of edits like this (see my edit after). I didn't even know that article existed before, so I don't want to pretend that I am very knowledgable about it. Pff.. You know, Turks are not out to get anyone but I just don't understand why there has to be this constant push to minimalization. That's all. Anyways, pls take a look at the first one I mentioned, it is really demoralizing after all that effort I spent on the intro. Baristarim 17:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Cyprus-stub
To template για το cyprus-stub προτείνεται απο τουσ τουρκους να αλλάξει. "This Cyprus-related article is a stub. You can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it." Ηδη προτείνεται να αλλάξει το link για την Κύπρο στο να ειναι link gia το αρθρο για τη γεωγραφία της Κυπρου, και επίσης κερδίζει ηδη έδαφος στο να φύγει η σημαια μας και να αντικατασταθει με τον χαρτη της Κυπρου. mπορεις να με βοηθησεις να μην περασει αυτο που θελουν οι Τουρκοι? Ηδη προσπαθω εγώ μόνος μου αλλα και εγω ειμαι σε εξεταστικη περιοδο και δεν μπορω να πολυασχοληθω με τιν βικιπέδια αν μπορουσες να βοηθησεις... User:KRBN 02:12, 10 January 2007(UTC)
User:Hectorian/Timeline of modern Greek history
I've made some few edits. It needs references, but otherwise it looks fine. :-) Khoikhoi 05:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- BTW, please archive your talk page. Khoikhoi 05:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
a quesiton
Hi Hectorian. Why did you put compliments about your nation, on your personel web-site? Why do you need such an action? Do you feel depressed or is your mind still under "barbarian(!)" invasion? Is this an complex???
What r u trying to prove?
And a lesson for you: Sultan Mehmed never said a word like that. Controversial he and his successors made Istanbul an emperial city. A city which is still target of some stupid greek fascists.
He order the foundation of patriach in Istanbul. Learn that.
Slandering is easy but truth is worth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mmorgil (talk • contribs) 14:31, 12 January 2007.
- (I've moved this from your userpage) Khoikhoi 15:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Mmorgil, i have seen your weird (that's the word i prefer to use in order to remain civil) sense of history in many cases... See the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople for details about when, how, where and by whom was it founded. I do not have a "persona(e)l website... lol If u are referring to my user page, it is perfectly in accordance to wiki rules, and thus i have no need to explain anything. btw, every quote there has been truly said (i do not like trash in my userbage, and, so, next time try to comment on my talkpage), even what Mehmed, u know, Huma Hatun's son, said: , , , . btw, it is not that difficult to sign your comments, or is it? Hectorian 15:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem. :-) I'll archive too. Khoikhoi 05:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I had only removed that comment because it had nothing to do with that article, similar to removals that has happened in the past in Talk:Persian Gulf and Talk:Armenian Genocide among others.. If you had read the whole discussion, you will see that there were many posts bordering on racism and extreme denigration of an entire ethnicity, with mocking statements about the intellectual capability of people because of their race "I have never understood the stubborn obsession of Turkey-Turks with simple historical facts ... somehow, they are totally unable to accept facts". That does not contribute to the creation of a healthy working environnement, nor is it relevant to the improvements that can be made to that Misplaced Pages article. In other posts there were at least mentions of the article and sources etc. The last one, there was practically none, and it was nothing but disruption with mocking and denigrating statements. Don't you think so? It would be a different matter if he were a new user, but that isn't the case. That's all... Baristarim 14:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to contact me though.. I am jurt trying to make sure that the talk page actually serves something :) Baristarim 14:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Sources
Hey man. As much as we would like to think, Misplaced Pages itself cannot be considered a reliable source. That's why it's important to give some sources for some (not all) of the things on the timeline. Perhaps the controversial things. I think it's fine if you make the article now, just move it to Timeline of modern Greek history. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to remove the {{unreferenced}} tag though, because the article is unreferenced. You can do what you want however.
As for the The Dead Brother's Song, it looks like a great article; I'll read it completely sometime, but could you please send the song to me? I'd love to hear it. Kherete, Khoikhoi 08:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Hectorian, got a source corroborating it's as old as you say? I always thought only the "Akritika" were thought to be that old. The language in the version you linked to is definitely much younger ("θα" futures and all the rest, if I remember correctly that's believed to have been grammaticalised only in modern times.) Also, have you got anything about the melodies (age, transmission, etc.)? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks for the detailed response. I plundered my wife's bookshelf and actually found the Politis book to check. So, yes, he's indeed dating it as early as the Akritika. Interesting. We should perhaps still point out that this probably applies to the outline of the story, not necessarily to the exact shape of the text. I still think I was right about the "tha", for instance (it's only 16th century or thereabouts, according to Horrocks), and the whole "feel" of the text you quoted is much more modern than, for instance, the Akritika in the written sources.
- About the melody, what I meant was we only have information about the text so far, but you were talking about it as if it was a musical work too. Is there a traditional melody associated with the poem, and do we have any information about whether it is equally old?
- By the way, we ought to write an article on Decapentasyllabic verse / Politic verse some day, don't you think? There's an interesting chapter on various hypotheses about its origin in the Horrocks book. (I finally got the Greek translated edition when I was in Athens the other day; the English one has been out of print.)
- Sorry for replying late, but I was busy watching this for a certain signal I was waiting for... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, and by the way, the parallel with the Lenore ballad had struck me too. We did that back in Lykeio. "Und hurre hurre hopp hopp hopp / ging's fort in sausendem Galopp / dass Ross und Reiter schnoben / und Kies und Funken stoben ..." Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- What I know about the Lenore story is the 18th century German ballad by Gottfried August Bürger. Don't know if he based it on some preexisting legend. You can easily find the text on the web, but only in German apparently (google for "Lenore fuhr ums Morgenrot empor aus schweren Träumen"). It's quite long too. The story is about a soldier missing in action and his girlfriend who mourns so much for him she forswears her faith in God. So one night his ghost comes riding to her home and takes her away, to their wedding. Of course the "wedding" is in the grave (and presumably she goes to hell for questioning Divine Wisdom). What's similar is the scene of the ghost riding through the night with the girl, dramaticed in a very similar way. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hah! Hah! I actually found one! With images. And in real English verses too! Enjoy! This Bürger guy is incredible... Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- What I know about the Lenore story is the 18th century German ballad by Gottfried August Bürger. Don't know if he based it on some preexisting legend. You can easily find the text on the web, but only in German apparently (google for "Lenore fuhr ums Morgenrot empor aus schweren Träumen"). It's quite long too. The story is about a soldier missing in action and his girlfriend who mourns so much for him she forswears her faith in God. So one night his ghost comes riding to her home and takes her away, to their wedding. Of course the "wedding" is in the grave (and presumably she goes to hell for questioning Divine Wisdom). What's similar is the scene of the ghost riding through the night with the girl, dramaticed in a very similar way. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to move your subpage instead, in order to preserve the edit history (so as to not violate the GDFL copyright terms). Ciao, Khoikhoi 23:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you very much for your article about the Dead brother's song (http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Dead_Brother%27s_Song). Right now I'm writing an academic article about its translations into different languages. Pls could you tell me whose is the translation in the article,is it yours or it was published anywhere? My email is makarcev@bk.ru. Euharisto poly! 85.140.200.92 (talk) 14:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
the circus
yeah, I suppose you are right. It just seems that nothing seems to be happening in that talk page except sniping, and (well-aimed) provocations. I will leave another note about the dispute that led to the article's protection. I generally try to take down such comments sometimes, but I am still hesitant to do it for the reasons that you mentioned, and also because I am afraid that people will blame me for holding "sides" and etc :( That article is like the snake's pit... Unfortunately as a lone editor what one person can do is limited. I honestly would like that page and relevant pages to be informative other than the battlegrounds they are now. Oh well.. Cheers! Baristarim 16:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Neighbour
Dear Hector, we just talked with Asellius about this, let the translation be in the first paragraph and let;s just deal like normal people, if it is not this will continue for ever! Please be rasonable, there r translations in all the languages whoes teritorries was under Alexander but not translated in Macedonian (Or FYROM how u want to say it no prob) but please let it the translation! So we can stop further vandalism and discussions about it! If not it will continue to the closure of the article!
So please, Regards! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noname real (talk • contribs) 20:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Des se parakalw ti egrapsa sti selida tou Nikosilver, prokeitai gia ena zitima pou xreiazetai tin prosoxi mas. Miskin 13:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Basika h apantish pou molis mou afhse ta leei ola. Loipon to proteinoume gia diagrafh? Miskin 13:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
OK eisai gnwrimos me tin diadikasia? Miskin 13:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Mhn asxoleisai me to arhro tou, autos thelei apla na yparxei gia to pasarei ws mesaionikh ellhnikh istoria enanti ths Byzantinhs autokratorias. Prepei apla na frontisoume na diagrafei. Miskin 13:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Po po, oute egw exw to xrono na asxolithw sobara me auto to thema - kai authn thn stigmh kanw egklima pou spatalaw ton xrono mou mazi tou. Autos to pige hdh gia RFC, pou nomizw oti einai akyrh kinish gia ena toso fanero POV-fork. Ti tha kanoume omws twra? Kapoios prepei na to analabei. Miskin 13:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Pithanotato ews kai sigouro. Fenetai oti gnwrizei poly kala tis diadikasies ths WP gia enan neo xrhsth. Miskin 13:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Eutyxws o FPS epebale thn taksh. Prepei omws na parakolouthoume tis energies tou sthn Byzantinh autokratoria opou epimenei na ferei elthei sta metra tou xwris na parathesei oute mia phgh. Amfisbithei px oti o Oikoumenikos patriarxhs sxetizetai me to arthro epeidh pleon apokaleitai 'Ellhnas Patriarxhs'. Miskin 14:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Hrant Dink
No worries.. I have been trying to haphazardly arrange and improve the article as the news rolls in as much as everyone else - it is not easy. Particularly since the article wasn't long before the assassination unfortunately. I have been trying to expand the early life section since he actually did have an interesting youth: he knew Yilmaz Guney, and his official name, Firat, was taken from a character from one of his movies. There are many interesting points like that :) But the sources are in Turkish and they have to be translated and the article is constantly getting updated so I am kind of getting lost :) It would be really nice if we could take it to GA soon... Baristarim 14:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria FAC
Hi! Today I've nominated the article Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria for a featured article, believing it meets all criteria.
This is the article's third nomination (see the previous ones), and because the previous ones received relatively little attention, I'd like to invite you to voice your opinion about it, be it as a vote or a comment, on the article's nomination page.
Thanks! :) Todor→Bozhinov 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Re: Turkish saints
Yeah, I saw it but I'm not sure what we should do. I think the best solution would be to rename it to "Saints from Anatolia" or better yet "Saints from Asia Minor" as that's where most of the saints in this category came from. The name "Turkish saints" sounds as if the saints in the category were ethnic Turks, which indeed they were not. Most were around before the Turks even arrived in Anatolia. In any case, I'll talk to User:Khoikhoi about this. -- Aivazovsky 18:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
eirhnh merkourh
Geia, tha ithela na rwthsw giati evgales thn Eirhnh Merkourh apo thn kathgoria Roma people Pictureuploader 15:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Ehw dei thleoptikes ekpompes kai afierwmata. Katarxas afto ehei anaferthei ws 'apokalypsh' meshmerianhs ekpomphs otan den htan gnwsto, argotera omws eida kai tsigganous syggeneis ths na miloun giafthn kai gia th zwh ths prin ginei gnwsth. Sto internet dystyxws denmporeis na vreis leptomereies gia ellhnes diashmous Pictureuploader 15:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Efxaristw gia thn katanohsh. Dystyxws gia thn Misplaced Pages, h ellhnikh enhmerwsh vasizetai kyriws sthn TV kai ta periodika, kai oxi sto Internet opou tha mporousame na valoume phges :) Pictureuploader 15:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Kurdistan
Hi,my name is Diyako and I read on of the talk pages that you would be interested in a Kurdish WikiProject. I have just begun working on the project and working tirelessly to put and expand the project as much as I can. You would be more than welcomed to join the WikiProject Kurdistan. Hope to see you there!!! --D.Kurdistani 01:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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Bozcaada
What is has to do with, is the extreme POV that is occurring. Tell me why this isn't occurring with Istanbul? Because that name does not exist in the Greek language... they still call it "Constantinople". But the Istanbul page is still the proper page for that article, while Constantinople is a historic page... as Tenedos should be. THAT is the problem ... and many many other translations show the proper translation - English also translates to Bozcaada, NOT Tenedos. Rarelibra 18:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Both of those maps are extremely poor from a cartographic point of view. The field of the map is incredibly large, and the focal point (being the island(s) in article) is very small, thereby taking very much away from the location of the map. Two new maps will be created to rectify this. Rarelibra 18:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Who, exactly, are you referring to when you say "you can't use sockpuppets or IPs"? I hope it isn't ME you are referring to, because if so - know this, I will have any and all admins check my records, my IPs, and my activities to prove to you that 1) it isn't me and, 2) that such accusations would be totally and completely offensive and unnecessary. So I hope you aren't accusing me, ARE YOU? Rarelibra 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- As a matter of fact, NO, I do not know who it is. But are you not aware that an IP address will let you know specific information about a user, and ANYONE can look up an IP address online and trace it's whereabouts? Now I am not going to caution you, I am WARNING you - if you attempt to accuse me of this, you better think twice. Because I WILL NOT stand for being accused of such actions that I am not guilty of, nor would participate in. If you do so, I guarantee there will be consequences that you don't like. Rarelibra 20:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll delete any and all edits you make to my talk page... seeing how you've chosen to offend me, you now mean nothing. I am calling you out - you can think what you want, but even a caveman can do an IP check and see... and my IP doesn't come close (nor my one at work) - in fact, I'm willing to bet you'll see the IP comes from ANOTHER COUNTRY. Wow. Amazing. Rarelibra 04:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Child of Izmir, resident of Istanbul
Thanks. I grew up in Izmir, but now reside in Istanbul. One doesn't become Istanbulite by simply living here, so I remain Izmirli :). --Free smyrnan 23:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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Names
Well, I am sorry but there is no reason those names should be up there in the lead, in the same way that the Turkish name was removed from the lead of Thessaloniki - by the same token (as FP had pointed out in his statement in his summary), I will move the Greek name further down in Istanbul article. I am sorry Hectorian, but not every single place name in Western Turkey will have a Greek name - that is not going to happen because it doesn't make sense. Feel free to create an etymology section to talk about them - that is perfectly legitimate. In fact, the solution found at Thessaloniki is very logical. If you fell that the names for those islands are unjustified, feel free to remove them. I will try to contact FPAS as well, in the mean time - I will modify the articles per Thessaloniki. Baristarim 10:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- Also, the "nation that founded" the city doesn't make sense - it was not the modern Greek nation that founded them, but Ancient Greeks - and that can still be a stretch for some. In any case, include the Ancient Greek name of the city, not the modern one - if there is no actual Greek population, then it doesn't make sense to have the modern Greek, does it? :) Baristarim 10:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, at first I had a very inclusionist point of view, but lately I am finding that so many alternate names in the lead are a bit confusing. It would be a much better idea if they were inserted correctly into the main, either under etymology or history sections. So I shouldn't have removed the names in the first place I suppose, that was not correct - there is no reason why they should be deleted. As for the islands, personally I don't think that the Turkish names should be up there if there is no longer a Turkish presence. It could be inserted in the history section "it was called X by the Turks". I suppose at some point the Ottoman translation could also be added, but I don't know Ottoman so there is not much I can do about that :)
- I tried to correct the names for two of the islands, however I wasn't sure about Thasos simply because it seemed very close to Western Thrace, and I thought maybe there were many Turks living there or something, but again maybe not. Are there? If not, I will remove that from the lead as well and add somewhere in the history section. As for the other articles... They are already very short, so I am sure that they will make more sense when those articles will be expanded one day. Those etymology sections look a bit awkward for the moment, but maybe it will push some editors into expanding them? :) I would find them interesting actually. Cheers! Baristarim 11:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- You are right, I should have definitely been more careful with explaining myself and all considering the background of this issue :)
- As for Istanbul, I suppose the issue is a bit too complicated to be resolved in a day, so I won't be reverting you. Baristarim 11:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Request
I had a bad day today, and I don't want to get into another edit war over Greco-Turkish placenames. Therefore, I would like it if we could hold-off from reverting just for now, until we can come to some sort of solution. I don't really see the Θεσσαλονίκη page as a solution, because most articles don't have it that way. The famous Gdańsk solution was to have the names at the top for example. Khoikhoi 01:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for understanding. :-) I see what you mean about Ottoman Turkish. The problem is, hardly anyone knows the correct spelling of these places in Ottoman Turkish. I know that Saposcat might be able to help; Xemxi is also experienced in this area. If both of them can't help, try asking Piri Reis, or take a look at the Ottoman Turkish Misplaced Pages! :-) Cheers, Khoikhoi 02:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- But most Turks today cannot read or write Ottoman Turkish. Did Greece ever have reforms which caused most Greeks to only understand modern Greek? It's not really possible, considering the fact that they're both written in the same script. However, modern Turkish and Ottoman Turkish are written in completely different alphabets, and people growing up in Turkey obviously don't learn the latter in school, so they do not know it. It's not their fault that they don't, that's just the way things are. Khoikhoi 02:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Saposcat and Xemxi have both responded to my request, check it out: Khoikhoi 04:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- BTW, we don't need to add the name in Ottoman Turkish to articles like Xanthi because of the Turks of Western Thrace. Same with Rhodes and Kos (see Turks of the Dodecanese). Khoikhoi 05:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Your own transliteration method contradicts what is outlined at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (Arabic)#Ottoman Turkish). The most common way to transliterate Ottoman Turkish is with the diacritics, not without them. You're welcome to add the most common transliteration of "Αδριανούπολη" if you want. Also, "English" does not exclude the use of accent marks. You will notice this in words like café... Khoikhoi 03:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- BTW, you just reminded me from something I read in a Hemingway short story:
Minarets stuck up in the rain out of Adrianople across the mud flats. The carts were jammed for thirty miles along the Karagatch road. Water buffalo and cattle were hauling carts through the mud. There was no end and no beginning. Just carts loaded with everything they owned. The old men and women, soaked through, walked along keeping the cattle moving. The Maritza was running yellow almost up to the bridge. Carts were jammed solid on the bridge with camels bobbing along through them. Greek cavalry herded along the procession. The women and children were in the carts, crouched with mattresses, mirrors, sewing machines, bundles. There was a woman having a baby with a young girl holding a blanket over her and crying. Scared sick looking at it. It rained all through the evacuation.
- Speaking of which, I added el:Μικρασιατική καταστροφή as an interwiki to the article, but I wanted to ask you, does the term "Asia Minor Catastrophe" also refer to the Greco-Turkish War of 1919-22? Maybe the interwiki should be moved then. Khoikhoi 04:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Bozcaada
Khoikhoi introduced those two maps, and Pmanderson reverted - violating the 3RR rule, I might add. What exactly is your problem, Hectorian? You seem to be acting within POV bias in this article. Or will it be enough when I create new maps for the two locations? Rarelibra 04:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- You seem to be acting within POV bias in this article. The purpose is to show the location of the island in its geographic area, not its location within the Canacalle province... Even if u create new maps for these two locations, this will not make your maps irreplaceable... Instead of sticking to your POV, you should better wonder if u are wrong in this case. Also, do not threaten other users for the 3RR, cause u may also violate it. PS: I would had replied in your talkpage (since this is how I always reply when people leave comments here), but as u said and did (by making personal attacks-think of that wikirule as well), it would be in vain... Hectorian 04:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- You may continue your POV approach, just know it is biased. Rarelibra 23:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I like FPS's map; It shows the island in its geographic area. I have no reason to push POV. Today I saw another user who is solely involved in a biased approach ; I will have to see how far he/she will push it... Hectorian 01:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- You may continue your POV approach, just know it is biased. Rarelibra 23:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Enjoy. Rarelibra 01:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Patriarchate copyrights
You asserted on this Image:PopeEcumenicalPatriarch.jpg description that the Patriarchate is granting free use of its images with attribution. Can you please point me to your source of this information on their policy? Thanks.--Pharos 21:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- That's a standard Misplaced Pages license tag, often misused. What we need to know is if the Patriarchate themselves have said this, perhaps on their website. I think I'll pass this question on to User:Kostisl, who posted that image.--Pharos 22:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Pope Benedict XVI revert
Hi, Hectorian. I wanted to ask you to check out the discussion page for Pope Benedict XVI so you can provide input on the recent revert you did. I have found many of your edits to the Pope Benedict XVI article to be appropriate and have agreed with you in a recent discussion issue. However, I thought the edit by 88.107.146.244 was also appropriate, and noticed you disagreed and reverted. I didn't want to just revert your revert, so I was hoping to get a discussion on the matter started. I look forward to hearing from you! Regards, --Anietor 04:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Asia Minor Catastrophe
Thanks a lot for the info. Perhaps you should correct my mistake at the Greek Misplaced Pages, as well as mine here. BTW, is there a name in Greek for the "population exchange between Greece and Turkey"? Since "Asia Minor Catastrophe" does not only refer to the population exchange, perhaps the article should be changed. As of now, it says:
In Greece this was called the Asia Minor Catastrophe (Greek: Μικρασιατική καταστροφή) as it involved the expulsion of about one third of the Greek population from millennia old homelands, practically ending some 2,500 years old presence of ethnic Greek people in Asia Minor, from Smyrna (İzmir) in the Ionian shores to Samsun and Trebizond in Pontus.
...but I suppose this is incorrect, right? Khoikhoi 05:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, ok. I get it now. :-) Thanks, Khoikhoi 05:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks again! Khoikhoi 05:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Turkish coffee
I think you and Khoikhoi are blowing up the lie of coffee houses in Istanbul in 1475. Show me a reference other than your commercial websites I will stop deleting it. It's a shame that you're using Misplaced Pages to manufacture and propogate lies. You should be more academically inclined. Contact me at csunsay@yahoo.com to convince me about your historical references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Csunsay (talk • contribs)
- It is a well known fact that the existence of coffee houses in Istanbul was true. Coffee itself has its origins in Africa, of all places. How hard is it to imagine that a culture spread coffee and its popularity around through trade routes and interactions? Csunsay - I will definitely contact you and assist you in your learning. In the meantime, please refrain from accusing both Hectorian and Khoikhoi before you have any counterproof for such accusations. Rarelibra 01:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
You didn't contact me Rarelibra. I look forward to the documents showing that Byzantine Empire knew coffee and there were coffee houses in stanbul or Constantinople. I'm not challenging you. This is a hitorical possibility. But I don't know any record of it. I never came across this. I blame Khoikhoi and Hectorian because they keep bringing up without evidence supporting that. Yet, they give commercial websites as reference. This should be a violation. If you think there were coffee houses in Istanbul in 1475, edit the page and put the reference. Otherwise this is a lie, nationalistic propaganda.
- Where u in Constantinople in 1475, that's why u are sure it's a lie? I have no need to convince anyone... It is a legend, but still it is sourced. Hectorian 22:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- What do you think about this? Maybe we can keep the fact that he is recognized only as the Patriarch of Fener by the TR government in addition to its original state. However the latest edit got me curious. Is he the spiritual leader of all Orthodox churches in the world, or some, or are there exceptions etc. The latest edit looks horrible but I am holding out on a full revert for the moment - just wanted to get your opinion. Baristarim 22:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The other side of the 1996 Buffer Zone killings
Michael Stevens' paper "The Cyprus Problem" is a souce, and the items I added to the pages regarding the two 'martyrs' were direct quotes. Just because you don't like what others may say about it doesn't mean that you have a mandate to remove it. That's called revisionism. I tried to show balance. A big difference, though I wonder if that point is made in Greek dictionaries... Expatkiwi
You're missing the point. You think any sane person would want to encroach into a zone where the possibility of conflict/injury/death is high? That they were killed is regrettable, but don't forget that those two made a conscious choice to challenge the buffer zone. Heroism is not a word I would use in this circumstance. The most charitable term I'd use is 'risky'. Expatkiwi
PGG article
Hi, can you sign yay or nay here please. Thanks, --A.Garnet 17:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hektoriane koita to e-mail sou? Anoixe tetoio logariasmo e-mail, pistepse me, tha su aresi. Ehei kai ensomatomeno "chat" ya na borume na sizitame efkola. Me ton Nikola sizitame sihna etsi tora. Thulium 18:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
New article
Check it out: Armenians in Greece. Khoikhoi 21:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
- Efxaristume para poly o kirios :) Chaldean 05:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- edit: for joining the project that is :D Chaldean 05:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Orea, then enie? :) Chaldean
- Ohhh your missing out on alot. Many Greeks tell me its Kriti where it at (when it comes to the islands), but I disagree. :) You can really spend a whole month in Santorini (which is what I did two years ago!) I have many more nice pics, but dont want to bombard the Santorini article with pictures :D Chaldean 05:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Orea, then enie? :) Chaldean
thanks
Thanks for editing my Typos. Odst 23:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Oecumenical?
XAIPE!
Hi Hectorian, might I ask why you've moved most of articles on 'Patriarch X of Constantinople' to 'Ecumenical Patriarch X of Constantinople'? Their usual title in English-language Byzantine scholarship is simply 'Patriarch X of Constantinople'. Just curious. InfernoXV 03:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hey there, here to ask the same question. It seems jarring, and I was wondering why the change. Thanks. Pastordavid 01:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Aegean dispute
Hi, sorry I wasn't quite happy with some of the additions you made to Aegean dispute and Convention between Italy and Turkey, 1932. I've reverted a few of the changes but have tried to keep and integrate as much of it as I could. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've answered on my own page, if you don't mind. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Interesting article
Slow Demise of Karabakh Greeks... Khoikhoi 06:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Welcome back! Khoikhoi 06:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Problem in Turkish Diaspora article
Hi, in Turkish Diaspora article, you should change the table back to it's original state and it should include Turkey too. Please check the other references, when you says diaspora, you should also mention the mainland of that nation (i.e. Greek Diaspora) Miller 88.106.8.214 08:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The table on Greek Diaspora is about the Greek people, not just diaspora, but including countries with about 10-20 Greek people, is kinda weird I'd say (the threshold should be like thousand). It is even weirder to include countries with 'unknown' number of Greeks. denizC 00:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- As stated on the top of the article, it is about Greeks in all countries. The Greek authorities have made a good job in providing numbers of even just 10-20 Greeks in some states, but note that the official figures are not always the only acceptable or real ones (usually, they count only citizenship). That's why the Greek diaspora article usually provides two figures, lowest and highest estimates. This is something that, personally, i would like to see in all respective articles, so that the users will make up their minds on their own about what is true or false. As for the Turkish diaspora, there is a lot of work to be done... not only concerning the double figures, but also concerning the reliability and the accessibility of the these figures: e.g. the figure for Brazil in the past, for Syria and Iraq in the current revision, seem rather suspicious to me... Lastly, there should be sources provided for every number (which is not, so far). The two states Serbia and Belarus that in the Greek diaspora are listed as "unknown" are special cases; wars and regimes are the answers to that. However, i am in the position to provide some figures for them as well. Afterall, there are in both of them links for further information... Readers can find their way. Hectorian 01:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that only 'significant' ones should be mentioned. 10 people is too few, and it seems to be an estimation (than it jumps to 20 people), and if a Greek becomes a citizen today, it will increase by 10%?? Also, the article is about Greek diaspora, so it might be better not to include Greece (and maybe Cyprus), and rename table. Also, are you sure there were only 219280 'non-Greeks' in Greece in 2001? denizC 01:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Since there are estimations, i see no reason not to include even the lowest numbers (the figures are provided in a way that higher numbers come first). I would not have any problem to talk about excluding Greece and Cyprus from the table, but we should also exclude Albania, FYROM, Bulgaria, Turkey, Egypt and Italy, since the Greek communities there are not diasporic populations, but natives, aboriginals. As for the only 219280 non-Greeks, no, i am not sure, but this is the figure provided. If my personal opinion, as a Greek living in Greece, counts, Greece's population is over 13 million, with more than 1.5 million non-Greeks (and more coming every day, especially after Bulgaria and Romania entered the EU), but i cannot base it on sources, and thus i cannot change the figures neither in Greek diaspora nor in Greece. Hectorian 01:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hagia Sophia
Are you talking about another article? You haven't undone my edit, which was a revert. Apparently some people want to see inline citations so lets have them. denizC 00:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, not quite - even I was confused when I saw the article. The term easily means refugees from the Greek Civil War . Anyways, also see my edit summary.. Baristarim 01:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- "It gets tiring" for what reason? After edits like this, I am sorry but I am very cool at comments coming from you - you really should check WP:AGF.. I am doing my best to objectively improve articles, and you might want to at least try to treat the subjects more seriously and objectively. Baristarim 02:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Why did you actually revert anon at the Hellenic Army by the way? Baristarim 02:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- (For the above, replied in the article's talk). as for the comment i had made and u mentioned, i did not say anything false. i may had been exaggerated, but i was certainly not wrong, not even for once. Besides, it was in the talk page, not in the article itself. it is obvious that my ideas differ from yours, but WP:AGF applies to all, and i do not think this depends on previous comments and edits. Hectorian 02:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- I now saw that edit. I think it is racism. In addition to add that, you are still behind all of those words, so they are not just some outbursts. "Let the users draw their own conclusions, instead of presenting them panturkist and kemalist ideas... The fire was set up by kemalists! it is so tiring to present facts" lol. "' (read the Bible for the translation... what? it's original script is in Greek? LOL" double lol. "John Balfour, 3rd Baron Kinross|Ataturk's lover's" discrediting people, good, with the usual homosexual thing, or son of a bitch thing (Kinross might have been gay, don't care about that, neither do I care so much about Ataturk being homosexual, though I have doubts about that). "know that the tuskish users have been fulled by kemalist-panturkist ideas, but these ideas are not gonna prevail in wikipedia" replace tuskish by some Greek, kemalist-panturkist Mustafa Kemal-hatist, panhellenist. "hey may believe that Prophet Mohamand was turkish (kara-LOL... they will get the meaning of this (kara) one... since, even the turkish minister of culture said that" need to see a ref, it might have happened (though small chance), but I don't want hri or something like that. Also, I don't understand what you mean there. Kara means black "Haha! are the Turks wonder why the Arabs still don't like them?" Turks, if you want to generalize so much, do not care whether Arabs like them or not, see World War I. They have already too much thing to think about in their daily lives, they do care about Palestinians though because they are represented as the oppressed ones in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Also, back to Smyrna, the city of Amazoness queen, why burn the city you captured two days ago? Does not make much sense. It might be a revenge of burned cities by retreating Greek army though, still it does not make much sense denizC 16:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Not racism. Not liking a state or a political leader does not make someone a racist. not liking a population group does. I did not get the "double lol" u said; it is not a secret that the New Testament was written in Greek and that the Old was translated and became known in that language as well, but in any case this goes for the quote i placed there. I do not care if Kinross and Ataturk were homosexuals, but if they were lovers, Kinross's ideas about him cannot be taken seriously. Apropos, many persons in ancient Greek history were, and i have no prob with them. what makes me wonder is why some Turks see that as insulting... were they on Ataturk's bed to know? the Turkish state banned YouTube for that reason, for crying out loud!!! not to mention the charges against Elif Şafak. There is no such thing as "Panhellenism" in the sense of "Panturkism". "Panhellenic" simply means "all of Greece". I have seen what the (maybe now ex) turkish minister of culture had said about Mohamand. His exact words were that the origins of Mohamand go back to the sumerians, thus he was certainly a Turk (ha?). "Kara" in turkish means "black". In greek has come to mean "much". Yes, i know that most Turks care a lot about the Palestinians (this is something in common that we have), but those who govern them do not have the same opinion. as for Smyrna, the Greek army had already left when the fire broke out; how can they be blamed, since they were not even there? why burn the city you captured two days ago?... hmmm, why demolish the city someone captured?
- Trust me, i know that the Turks have many things to care about in their daily lives and in their state. But i guess they do not have many options now: from a warlike general who advocates invasion on another state (Iraq) to an islamist who wants to become president... But these are problems the Turks themselves shall solve, without harming any of their neighbors. Hectorian 22:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Not racism. Not liking a state or a political leader does not make someone a racist. not liking a population group does. I did not get the "double lol" u said; it is not a secret that the New Testament was written in Greek and that the Old was translated and became known in that language as well, but in any case this goes for the quote i placed there. I do not care if Kinross and Ataturk were homosexuals, but if they were lovers, Kinross's ideas about him cannot be taken seriously. Apropos, many persons in ancient Greek history were, and i have no prob with them. what makes me wonder is why some Turks see that as insulting... were they on Ataturk's bed to know? the Turkish state banned YouTube for that reason, for crying out loud!!! not to mention the charges against Elif Şafak. There is no such thing as "Panhellenism" in the sense of "Panturkism". "Panhellenic" simply means "all of Greece". I have seen what the (maybe now ex) turkish minister of culture had said about Mohamand. His exact words were that the origins of Mohamand go back to the sumerians, thus he was certainly a Turk (ha?). "Kara" in turkish means "black". In greek has come to mean "much". Yes, i know that most Turks care a lot about the Palestinians (this is something in common that we have), but those who govern them do not have the same opinion. as for Smyrna, the Greek army had already left when the fire broke out; how can they be blamed, since they were not even there? why burn the city you captured two days ago?... hmmm, why demolish the city someone captured?
Mpa?
Anasth8hkes ki esy? :-) NikoSilver 11:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Kalws ton pisw!--Yannismarou 15:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back Hector. Thelis na anixis to ilektroniko tahidromio su na sizitisume? Ke ego ke o Nikos imaste sindemeni.--Domitius 22:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Tripolis Massacre
Hecrtoian. Your sick fanatic mind should be deleted from wikipedia. Tripolis massacre is a fact. Soon I'll put in here with GREEK footnotes. Thus, you'll accept it. Are you ashamed of it, or are you just a standart nationalist which, by nature, must oversee some facts. Here in Istanbul there monuments which remind the September 6-7 pogrom. Are there any plates/monuments which remind the turkish population????
Few days ago greek historian Prof. Veremis also accepted the Tripolis masscre. Dirty fashist. You can tespace from truth.
- Anon, firstly: new comments always go at the bottom of the page. Secondly: see WP:NPA. Thirdly: killing the Ottoman garison and officials does not constitute a massacre (i guess, for your mind, the Dervenakia was also a "massacre"...). Fourthly: don't get me started about the massacres of Greek populations by the Turks in 1821, in Constantinople, Cyprus, Smyrni , , , , and the Christians of Bucharest , and many other places. Fifthly: don't get me started about the Istanbul Pogrom... monuments mean nothing from the very moment that Turkey violated the Treaty of Lausanne... Hectorian 23:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Baree luys
Welcome back Hec, where've you been all this time =)--MarshallBagramyan 23:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
arm genocide
I did not remove, omit anything, please revert denizC 02:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Greek refugees
Thank you. Take a look, when you get a chance, at my questions on the talk page. These are real people, with real collective histories (not one story, but many). At least in the main part, these stories deserve to be told.
I've just finished reading Bruce Clark's "Twice a Stranger" and am about to embark on Rene Hirschon's "Crossing the Aegean." (the latter is a collection of essays - by Greeks critical of the Greek government and society, and by Turks critical of Turkish government and society).
Once the organization of this article is settled, I would be happy to dip through these two for references. Jd2718 16:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am looking at your further expansion of the article, and have lots more questions. Please keep writing. There may be many POV or organization or weight things to be worked out, but the content you are providing is very important. Thank you. Jd2718 16:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
A Shameful Act
Hey Hec, have you heard of this book just recently published in English by Taner Akcam? I just bought it the other day and while it mostly concentrates on the Armenians there is a considerably large section devoted to the Greeks and other Christian minorities (most probably the Smyrna Greeks but perhaps also the Pontic Greeks too). Check it out on Amazon:. Cheers, --MarshallBagramyan 04:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Markos Vafiades
His birthplace is given as Theodosiopolis, Asia Minor, but when Theodosiopolis was linked, it redirected to an ancient city. Do you know where this is, or what its Turkish name is? I have googled up and down, but no luck. Jd2718 04:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- According to el:Μάρκος Βαφειάδης, it is Erzurum (), but I wasn't aware that the city used to have a large Greek population... Khoikhoi 04:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Bruce Clark just gives "of refugee stock" but reports that in his memoirs 'General Markos' gives a vivid account of his early life in Anatolia and discloses that at the time of Lausanne he considered staying on in Turkey by dint of marrying a Turkish neighbor's daughter. Not encyclopedia-worthy, and doesn't tell us that Erzurum is right, but fascinating nonetheless. Jd2718 05:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Must be Erzurum; can't be Apros! Fixed at Theodosiopolis (redirect), Arpos (moved to correct spelling Apros), Erzurum (redir/dab note), and Markos Vafiadis. --Macrakis 06:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Quotes about the Greeks
HECTORIAN!! Yassou re!! These quotes you have are great!!
Can we put them (or some) our my user page?
Regards,
Φilhellenism 06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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book covers
the article is not about the books Hectorian. please revert, thanks. DenizC 17:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- Why on earth does it have to be about the books themselves? It is about what the books advocate. NikoSilver 17:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- Because it is so. "to illustrate an article discussing the book in question" People are even discussing whether it can be used on the articles on the authors of the books.
- Please see these (especially file links section): Image:'Les_têtes_interverties'_play_cover.jpg, Image:'Salem's_Lot_cover.jpg, Image:'Tis.jpg, Image:0-8423-6061-1.jpg, Image:0-88784-753-6.jpg, Image:00000000.jpg. If you need more, check Category:Book_covers. I checked first fifteen. The fifteenth one also has the author. There was one more with two links, one to the book, one to the CD/DVD. DenizC 23:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
GEIA
Epidi tha lipso to epomeno sarandaochtaoro... Mporis na rihnis kai kammia matia kai s`afto to arthro? Aftos einai o mythoplastis... Thanks. --Asteraki 04:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
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Project European Union
Hello Hectorian, you are member of the project European Union. I try to create a new project page for the project. You can see it at here Because this should be the project page for all it´s members, please tell me, what you think about it. Please leave your comments on the talkpage of the project.--Thw1309 11:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Chrisostomos Smyrnis
To arthro gia ton Chrisostomo Smyrnis exei kakopoithoi apo Tourkous xristes se apisteuto vathmo!! Prospatho na to diorthoso alla xreiazomai voithia!!!! Seleukosa 16:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
EOKA
Hi, I am proposing to split the article on EOKA into two separate articles. I noticed you have contributed to the article so if you are still interested, please have a look at the talk page and add any of your thoughts. Georgeg (talk) 16:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
WP:POINT
This is a recipe for POV disruption. Don't try it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages was a more peaceful place during the summer while you were away. Be careful. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- Here's the deal: You go and read up on the original discussion about this map. It's at Talk:Minorities in Greece#Map redrawn, and three sections down from there. 95% of the objections you are raising were covered in the discussion at the time, which ended in a solid consensus for having the map, among all established Greek contributors. If and when you have understood what the map shows and why it shows it the way it does, and if you then still have questions about it or factual corrections, you're welcome to raise them again. Until then, I expect of you the fairness and respect for the many previous editors' hard work, to leave the map in place for the time being. So, please revert yourself now.
- Alternative is, I'll be treating you as a common POV-pushing semivandal from now on. I know you can be better than that. Sanctions under WP:ARBMAC are never very far away these days. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, treat you as a POV-pushing semivandal it is, then. I'll restore the map to the long-standing consensus, you can edit war about it until you're banned. Have fun. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Hectorian of course it's up to you if you really want to take Fut.Perf.'s "advice" seriously. He's an involved editor with a strong POV. Remember, he's the one who pushed for the merge of Macedonians (Greek) to Macedonia (Greece). And what he does right now is preventing the creation of potentially good articles because they might not agree with his POV, so a direct violation of WP:POINT, #4: "Mischaracterizing other editors' actions to make them seem unreasonable or improper". As long as the content of the articles is encyclopaedic, useful, verifiable and not a duplication of other articles then nobody can prevent it from remaining here. -- Avg 22:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Έχει καταντήσει ανυπόφορος
This RFC might be of interest to you. ktr (talk) 05:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
- You could comment on his incivility and antisocial attitude in general (if you distinguished something like that in his behavior). Anyway, the reason I made the RFC on him known to you was in order to notify you about his long history of incivility and (pseudo)authoritarian acting out. Ο τύπος έχει ανεπίλυτα προβλήματα ψυχολογικής υφής, ή κάτι πάρα πολύ χειρότερο (το οποίο, σίγουρα, δε συνάδει με τη νοοτροπία αυτής της ελεύθερης εγκυκλοπαίδειας). Xαιρετώ. ktr (talk) 14:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
- Λοιπόν φίλε. Έχω κάτι να σου προτείνω: αν έχεις (ή προτίθεσαι να βρεις) έγκυρες πηγές σχετικά με τις γλώσσες/διαλέκτους της Ελλάδας, μπορώ να βοηθήσω στο σχεδιασμό ενός χάρτη (καλύτερου ποιοτικά απ' τις, σχεδόν, νηπιακές μουντζούρες του σλαβοβαρεμένου—μα δεν είμαι μετριόφρων;). Αλλά θα πρέπει να υπάρχουν έγκυρες/εμπεριστατωμένες πηγές. Και θα χρειαστώ σχετική καθοδήγηση, μιας και δεν είμαι εξοικειωμένος με γλωσσολογικά θέματα. Είναι καιρός να σταματήσει να ενοχλεί τον κόσμο ο σλαβοφανατικός φίλος μας/εθνομαία, Λούκας (ρε μπας κι είναι Λούκατς;) με τις ιδεοληψίες του (βέβαια, μπορεί να το κάνει για ένα κομμάτι ψωμί, δεν το γνωρίζουμε· υποθέσεις κάνουμε). Καληνύχτα. ktr (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Βρε βρε βρε...
...αυτά! Φεύγω πάλι τώρα. Γειάααα! NikoSilver 18:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
language map on Greece
I support removing it immediately and taking it to arbitration it anyone objects. Please view my comments on the talk page for the reasons why. --Crossthets (talk) 05:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Ποιό
είναι το backround του και έχει τέτοιο κόλλημα με τις μεινότητες στην Ελλάδα και με τον χάρτη του; Για τον ανατολή ηλίου μιλάω. --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 11:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Κοίταξε, είναι αδύνατον μόνο και μόνο επειδή είναι διαχειριστής να δημιουργεί τέτοιο πρόβλημα. Από το "εσείς οι τρεις δεν είστε συναίνεση" που είπε, οι τρεις έγιναν δέκα+, κι ακόμη κι αυτοί που ανέφερε ότι τον στήριζαν ήρθαν και είπαν άλλα. Έλεγξε την Αίτηση για Σχόλιο που είναι σχετική με αυτόν για να δεις ότι το κάνει συνέχεια από έλλειψη επιχειρημάτων, να επαναλαμβάνει τα ίδια με αγενή τρόπο "προς κατωτέρους" "εθνικιστές". Η συζήτηση αυτή έχει πλέον του ενός μηνός και βλέπω να είναι ο μόνος που στηρίζει τον χάρτη, επειδή είναι ο δημιουργός του, κι επειδή έχει κόλλημα με το Σκοπιανό. Ε δεν γίνεται να συνεχίζεται επ'άπειρον. Είδες τι σου πε στη σελίδα του: "Δεν καταλαβαίνεις". Πίστευω η ώρα να του πούμε πως επιτεύχθηκε συναίνεση ήρθε. Μέσα σε ένα μήνα θα είχαν εμφανιστεί κι άλλοι να στηρίζουν την παραμονή του χάρτη, αλλά σιώπησαν.--Michael X the White (talk) 11:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Barnstars (Map issue)
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The Socratic Barnstar | |
| I, Michael X the White award to you, Hectorian, the Socratic barnstar, for your excellent arguments and tireless efforts in the "Minority Linguistic Map issue", so that the issue was resolved.Keep up the good work!--Michael X the White (talk) 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The Greek Barnstar of National Merit | |
| I, Michael X the White, award to you, Hectorian, the Barnstar of Greek National Merit, for playing major role in resolving a major issue (the Minority Linguistic Map issue) in the article of Greece itself!--Michael X the White (talk) 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
| this WikiAward was given to Hectorian by Michael X the White (talk) on 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC) |
AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece
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Please refactor talk page edit
Hectorian,
This edit to the Republic of Macedonia talk page is problematic. At a minimum it poisons the well, but more than that, it seems to contain an ill-considered accusation, and a serious accusation, that your fellow editors might compromise the safety of others in the Real World. Please remove the comment. Jd2718 (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Blasphemy
Hello Hector! Τι κάνεις;; Σε παρακαλώ ρίξε μιά ματιά σε αυτή τη βλασφημία: Pyrrhus of Epirus. O γνωστός και μη εξαιρετέος Emperordarius το παίζει άλλος και εξακολουθεί να υποστηρίζει ότι ο Πύρρος είναι Ιλλύριος!! Για όνομα...--Michael X the White (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Crunching the numbers
Hector, I love you file mou but I think my source is more official. In my opinion the numbers are even lower, but who listens to me... :-(. Also, in my opinion, the number of Greek speakers in FY/ROM who are citizens of that state (and excluding those who learnt the language working over the summer in Thessaloniki, Macedonia and the islands) are probably over 20,000... alla kai pali, pio me akouei... Kalo savvatokyriako. :-( Politis (talk) 15:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
"TRNC"
The developments here might be of interest to you. I've basically explained to them that they are dead wrong, but I might as well be arguing against a brick wall. --Tsourkpk (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Right
Now you really got me thinking... You have a point, most of them (70%?) are probably born in Greece or Cyprus (also some in Istanbul, Alexandria, Jerusalem and other such places). But George Michael is considered Greek (Cypriot), I was at a Greek function the other day with his father :). I would be inclined to accept that if we took into consideration people of 'Greek heritage', then the numbers would increase quite a bit. Politis (talk) 11:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
To epsaxa kai pou na deis. Alla tipota to episimo (mono auto to biblio tis Voulis). Numbers vary between 100,000 to 350,000 according individual estimations. There has been no research. Politis (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Blocked
24 hours for disruptive editing at Macedonia and the talkpage. This block will be logged at WP:ARBMAC. Moreschi (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Had I violated any rule, I wouldn't mind loosing my "block virginity". You were wrong Moreschi, and I want to believe misled. Better think twice next time... --Hectorian (talk) 21:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Filotti family
Thank you for including the Greek writing for the name of the Filotti family. I am not able to write anything in Greek, and therefore I would just like to discuss the issue with you. The name you wrote down is Filottis. I have my doubts about the spelling, as in Greek the double T is unusual. There are Greek family names Filotis (with a single T) which might have been the name of Ion Filotti, the ancestor of the Romanian branch of the family.
The question which I am not answer is whether the final S which you suggested in correct or not. The village on the island of Naxos - from where the family probably drew its name - is called Filoti (not Filotis) - there is also another small island in the Aegean sea which is also called Filoti. The church in the village of Filoti is called Panagia Filotitissa.
While I therefore consider that the most probable spelling of the original name should be Filoti (and I have corrected your intervention accordingly), I would still seek your advice on the matter. Afil (talk) 05:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Please be so kind and add the s. I don't have a greek keyboard and finding out where the letters are located is too tedious.
- Thank you for your response. I think it is more productive to have discussions of this kind, where I can get a better understanding about a certain subject, that disputes about issues. I really hope that you did not mind my question and I hope to keep in touch. Regards.Afil (talk) 20:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
ITN
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--Spencer 23:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Rename riots into unrest ?
Hello, your opinion is requested : Talk:2008_Greek_riots#RENAME_NEED:_Riots_vs._Civil_Unrest.3F Yug (talk) 09:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Roma
The Roma from Greece are in the same characteristics like other ethnic minorities in Greece (Aromanians, Albanians, Slavs): they have a Greek identity:
- Read here: Many of the assimilated Roma, who have integrated into Greek society, consider themselves primarily Greek, and Roma only in the second place, and are therefore called "Greek Roma," distinguishing them from the marginalized "Roma of Greece."
- Read here: Roma in Greece, as it is all over the world, have their internal, in lesser of bigger extent endogamy subdivisions, with the corresponding ethno cultural and dialectal characteristics. Such Roma groups in Greece are Gifti (Yifti), who are mainly Greek speaking; part of them is with preferred Greek identity
- Read here: Roma in Greece are not an homogeneous group either, and some of the Balkan families are also found in this country. There are three main communities: the Yifti, who speak Greek and many of them have Greek identity, the Türk-Yifti, who speak Turkish and often prefer a Turkish identity, and the various Romany speaking tribes, with Romany identity although considering themselves part of the Hellenic civilization and culture.
Cheers! --Olahus (talk) 18:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- Very weak arguments, Hectorian. They are Aromanians who regard themselves as an own ethnic group as well as Slaves, Roma, Arvanites etc do. And on the other side they are Aromanians who regard themselves as Greeks, same in the case of the Slaves, Roma, Arvanites etc. If you insist to add all these groups, then you must accept the Roma too. I hope you're not an antiziganist.
- PS: Concerning the origins of the Aromanians there enough to read here. Don't forget that on this issue, there are different vievs between the Aromanians and between the scientists too. And we are talking here about the Roma, not the Aromanians. --Olahus (talk) 22:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- Very weak arguments, Hectorian. They are Aromanians who regard themselves as an own ethnic group as well as Slaves, Roma, Arvanites etc do. And on the other side they are Aromanians who regard themselves as Greeks, same in the case of the Slaves, Roma, Arvanites etc. If you insist to add all these groups, then you must accept the Roma too. I hope you're not an antiziganist.
- Hectorian, you're obvoiusly an antiziganist and your last revert is called in Misplaced Pages a disruptive edit. I gave you as a more detailed example the situation of the Aromanians because I have more knowledges about the Aromanians then about the Arvanites, Slavophones etc. from a simple reson: my wife is Aromanian. However, the fact that my wife is Aromanian or that you are an Aromanian is completely irrelevant for Misplaced Pages. You must give sources for your claim. You can't fool me, Hectorian. They are also Aromanians in Greece who think different then you want to put it across. Of course, it is also true for Arvanites and Slavophones. From the same reason you insist to include those peoples, you must accept the Roma too (moreover because they are sources, as you saw above, that clearly puts the Roma in the same category). Or, do you feel ashamed about the Roma? --Olahus (talk) 18:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello
I' ve seen you have contributed to this article in the past, I would appreciate it if you could please review the recent changes and assist in "wikifying" or expanding it? Thanks--Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Requested Move
Gia sou Hectorian. You being on-and-off involvoed with Wikiproject Assyria, I was wondering if you could give your input here: Talk:Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac_people#Requested_move. Iraqi (talk) 09:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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Βοήθεια για τη Μακεδονία
Καλημέρα
Θέλω να βοηθήσω τα άτομα (editors) που ασχολούνται με το θέμα της Μακεδονίας. Με ποιον να έρθω σε επαφή και με ποιόν τρόπο (πως μπορώ να στείλω κρυφό μήνυμα)?
Μπορείτε να επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μου στο bobptz παπάκι Τζιμαιλ τελεία κομ. Kavathes (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I can't find the picture or its permission anywhere. There are free pictures of Bartholomew, so I will use one of those in the article. Hekerui (talk) 11:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Pandidaktirion
Good job my friend.Congrats for your effort.I dont see why the university of Constantinopoli cant be among the oldest universities of europe.I think that until today most europeans have a complex against byzantium and they dont recognize its offer to Renescance,maybe cause it was called "greek empire"---and they are bored with the greek offer in science---,maybe cause nowadays the city belongs to turkey.i dont know...ciao! Greco22 (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Republic of Pontus
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