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== Vertically stretched aspect ratio of the infobox pic ==
== List of alleged perpetrators ==

I have reverted back to ] from ] since due to some unknown reasons the cropped pic is rendering a Vertically stretched aspect ratio of the infobox pic--''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .5em LightSkyBlue;">]]</span>'' 14:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC) <br>
] any idea why that is happening ? --''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .5em LightSkyBlue;">]]</span>'' 15:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

:]: This probably was a local caching issue. If the image still appears stretched {{oldid|Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi|932256256|here}}, please follow ] and reload {{oldid|Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi|932256256|the old revision}} to see whether it's been fixed. Thanks (and apologies for the inconvenience)! —] 19:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
::{{u|David Levy}}, thanks for the kind reply. Indeed, when I opened the page on another browser the image rendered in the normal aspect ratio. So it was due to the old cache. I have self reverted myself to restore the cropped version in the infobox. regards . ''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .5em LightSkyBlue;">]]</span>'' 19:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

== Muslim Brotherhood ==

The lead currently says, "a sympathizer and former member of the Muslim Brotherhood" which is misleading to what the RS attached to that statement report. For instance, the RS do not say Jamal "is a sympathizer" to Muslim Brotherhood, so I removed that from the lead. Also, the RS say that Khashoogi was a member of the brotherhood in the late 1970s while covering the Russia-Afghanistan war and then left the brotherhood sometime in the early 1990s . Since the membership he had with the MB ended almost 30 years before he was assassinated, I removed that because it has nothing to do with his assassination so I did not feel it belongs in the lead. If someone wants to put that in a subheading, then I suppose that could be a topic to discuss in this talk page.
I have pinged editors ] ] ] who appear to have worked on this page and wanted to get their feedback ] (]) 20:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:Removal makes sense to me. ] (]) 20:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Tier 1 Group ==

] is a private firm that provides military training in and outside the United States. ], who sits on the board of directors for Tier 1 Group, is a Trump nominee for the post of assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict. {{u|Curiouschimp}} with edit added a paragraph cited from a ] that reports on Bremer being questioned earlier this month by Senator ] about alleged ties between Tier 1 Group and the team that assassinated Khashoggi. These allegations were made publicly by ] in a ] in March 2019 claiming that the CIA had warned other agencies that Tier 1 Group may had trained some members of the team that assassinated Khashoggi.

I have undone the edit and started this discussion. My problem is this all seems to be rumor that slanders Tier 1 Group and Bremer with no government office officially accusing anyone. This seems un-encyclopedic and possibly a ] and ] violation. Do not get me wrong; if these guys are running an assassin school, I would love to see them called on it. I just do not see sufficient evidence to consider it anymore then a rumor. ] (]) 23:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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Hi ],
Sorry about the delay in response. Thank you for responding and explaining the situation. As you mentioned, I have found several references made by tier 1 media groups as well as a government website to support my edit on the page, concerning Louis Bremer of Tier 1 Group for training the assassins of Jamal Khashoggi. Hope this does justice to the edit and serves as a relevant resource. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Well, I like the location of it better as it is now in the Alleged perpetrators section rather than US intelligence reports as we only have rumors of such reports. I like the video of the interview as well. The only government report I see is from Kane's office. It is made clear that the Washington Post is doing the accusing, Kane is investigating and Bremer denies it all, so I will let it stand, but if it came to a !vote I would be neutral on keeping it. ] (]) 19:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

== Uber's CEO Dara Khosrowshahi comments ==


The indicated for the sentence "Uber's CEO Dara Khosrowshahi made calls to boycott Saudi Arabia over the death of Khashoggi." seems to be about boycott against Uber because of insensitive comments made by the CEO (and not about boycotting Saudi Arabia). Rephrase/remove? ] (]) 00:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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:Done. ] (]) 12:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
This section can now be expanded using the source above. It was but now that we have a ] I believe this article deserves more information on the list.--''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">]]</span>'' 08:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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Vertically stretched aspect ratio of the infobox pic

I have reverted back to File:Jamal Khashoggi in March 2018.jpg from File:Jamal Khashoggi in March 2018 (cropped).jpg since due to some unknown reasons the cropped pic is rendering a Vertically stretched aspect ratio of the infobox pic--DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 14:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
User:David Levy any idea why that is happening ? --DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 15:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

DBigXray: This probably was a local caching issue. If the image still appears stretched here, please follow these instructions and reload the old revision to see whether it's been fixed. Thanks (and apologies for the inconvenience)! —David Levy 19:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
David Levy, thanks for the kind reply. Indeed, when I opened the page on another browser the image rendered in the normal aspect ratio. So it was due to the old cache. I have self reverted myself to restore the cropped version in the infobox. regards . DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 19:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Muslim Brotherhood

The lead currently says, "a sympathizer and former member of the Muslim Brotherhood" which is misleading to what the RS attached to that statement report. For instance, the RS do not say Jamal "is a sympathizer" to Muslim Brotherhood, so I removed that from the lead. Also, the RS say that Khashoogi was a member of the brotherhood in the late 1970s while covering the Russia-Afghanistan war and then left the brotherhood sometime in the early 1990s . Since the membership he had with the MB ended almost 30 years before he was assassinated, I removed that because it has nothing to do with his assassination so I did not feel it belongs in the lead. If someone wants to put that in a subheading, then I suppose that could be a topic to discuss in this talk page. I have pinged editors Randompointofview Samf4u Forest90 who appear to have worked on this page and wanted to get their feedback BetsyRMadison (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal makes sense to me. O3000 (talk) 20:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Tier 1 Group

Tier 1 Group is a private firm that provides military training in and outside the United States. Louis Bremer, who sits on the board of directors for Tier 1 Group, is a Trump nominee for the post of assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict. Curiouschimp with this edit added a paragraph cited from a Democracy Now! article that reports on Bremer being questioned earlier this month by Senator Tim Kaine about alleged ties between Tier 1 Group and the team that assassinated Khashoggi. These allegations were made publicly by David Ignatius in a Washington Post column in March 2019 claiming that the CIA had warned other agencies that Tier 1 Group may had trained some members of the team that assassinated Khashoggi.

I have undone the edit and started this discussion. My problem is this all seems to be rumor that slanders Tier 1 Group and Bremer with no government office officially accusing anyone. This seems un-encyclopedic and possibly a WP:BLP and WP:SCANDAL violation. Do not get me wrong; if these guys are running an assassin school, I would love to see them called on it. I just do not see sufficient evidence to consider it anymore then a rumor. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 23:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)




Hi Richard-of-Earth, Sorry about the delay in response. Thank you for responding and explaining the situation. As you mentioned, I have found several references made by tier 1 media groups as well as a government website to support my edit on the page, concerning Louis Bremer of Tier 1 Group for training the assassins of Jamal Khashoggi. Hope this does justice to the edit and serves as a relevant resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curiouschimp (talkcontribs) 12:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, I like the location of it better as it is now in the Alleged perpetrators section rather than US intelligence reports as we only have rumors of such reports. I like the video of the interview as well. The only government report I see is from Kane's office. It is made clear that the Washington Post is doing the accusing, Kane is investigating and Bremer denies it all, so I will let it stand, but if it came to a !vote I would be neutral on keeping it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Uber's CEO Dara Khosrowshahi comments

The indicated source for the sentence "Uber's CEO Dara Khosrowshahi made calls to boycott Saudi Arabia over the death of Khashoggi." seems to be about boycott against Uber because of insensitive comments made by the CEO (and not about boycotting Saudi Arabia). Rephrase/remove? MuumiJumala (talk) 00:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Done. 92.96.93.53 (talk) 12:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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