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| :'''This process has been discontinued per ].''' | |||
| The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on ] ], was intended as a counterpart to ]. A person with complaints over ] could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page. | |||
| == New reports == | |||
| Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While ] is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite ]. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and ] on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was ], with the result that the noticeboard was closed on {{#formatdate:10 January 2007}}. | |||
| ==={{User|LSLM}}=== | |||
| Personal Attacks by LSLM: | |||
| The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the ], ] or, as a last resort, ]. | |||
| "In fact the article is a mess. I see no solution for this article, as I am tired of repeating. I have said over and over again that unfortunately the term white to refer to people has been hijacked by Neonazis and there is no way out. Veritas et Severitas 02:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| ===Procedure=== | |||
| "Dark T., eough is enough. The use of language to hide an agenda is very old. ¨White people are Nordic people¨, ¨Jews are not considered White¨ by whom? by Neo-Nazis of course. That disgusting ideology has no place here to define race, that most malignant of ideologies that was responsible for the death of 50 million Europeans just 60 years ago. I am not going to repeat over and over again the same things and be contributing endlessly. I have a life. Genetics and human decency kicks in the ass that ideology and people like you who insist on defining race following that ideology. Whenever I find tendencious comments trying to define race according to Nordicist/Neo-Nazi propaganda I will revert it and I hope that other decent people will do it too. Veritas et Severitas 12:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
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| "Sorry, but if a duck talks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it is a duck. Veritas et Severitas 13:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "I do believe that Scandinavians are exactly as European as anyone else and that the genetic diversity among all peoples in the world is just marginal. I just hope that readers from Scandinavia are not offended. I know the place and they are among the most polite people and least racist people on earth. But some people like you need a response. So, stop trying to use information about which you have no clue and stop using this site for your Nordicist agenda, that is ludicrous in the light of 21st century knowlegede.Veritas et Severitas 19:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "Man, your ignorance is such that I am not going to discuss with you anymore. I just hope that you leave this place alone. Veritas et Severitas 19:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "I am glad that other people can see Thulean´s nazi approach. I hope that some administrators can block this guy.Veritas et Severitas 21:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| Warnings to LSLM: | |||
| , ] 21:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Comment''' - Can truth be an attack? Because in context those remarks make complete sense. ] 21:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Truth? I've never added any Nazi argument or used Nazi sources. See page diffs. ] 22:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Jinxmchue}}=== | |||
| This is what said user posted on another board which he knows is read by the editor in question. | |||
| ''"No, Ben, you fat, hypocritical fuckface, I do not do the things you do. See, you actually have posted on DU in the past for the purpose of "drumming up supporters" for your biased agenda on Wiki. I never have and never will do the same here because I'm not a slimy shitweasel like yourself. Criticizing your sorry, bloated, shit-stained ass here is not "recruiting" people. It's proving over and over what a worthless excuse for a human being you are. In the immortal words of Vice President Dick Cheney, go "fuck yourself."''' | |||
| See Not only is this user going WAY over the line, he's trying to drum up support on other forums in an effort to effect consensus on the ] article talk page. Since this was posted on another board, I'm not sure if or where I should post the NPA templates - but I ask for immediate action. - ] 19:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Comment''' - Wow, I hadn't read this before now. I look at that site very infrequently, most recently when I suspected that Jinxmchue was recruiting meatpuppets from there, which he was. I hadn't (yet) re-visited that article to see that he had attacked me there. And I do consider this to be both an attack and meatpuppetry as several people have shown up from that board to join the discussion on the DU article. I have been nothing but polite with him over the present dispute. ] 20:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|BrownHairedGirl}}=== | |||
| This user insults me, changes my posts, deletes my comments, reverts the removal of frankly insulting thing's she's posted on my own userspace, has abused her powers to ban me, she does not value other people's comments and thus discredits them according to who posted them (a good idea doesn't care who came up with it), seems to be 'afflicted' with Editcountitis, http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Editcountitis. And finally, she certainly appears to be working with other wikipedians to disrupt dececion boards and get her "enemies" banned. For example, Hainchen deleted one of my valid comments (allegedly spam: (though the message itself was just a copy of what I had spoken to her on her userpage about and an explanation why I had put it there, as she had been claiming that she was being canvassed and it was offensive. origional message can be found: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:BrownHairedGirl#.27Empires.27_Wiki.2C_Which_you_have_opted_for_deletion (note that this post was before it was discovered that it was the wiki page being deleted, not empires own wiki.))) three times, and three times I had to revert it. then, Brownhaired girl blocked me for failing the three revert rule. | |||
| She continues to talk and insult me long after the discussion page where we first met was deleted by some admin or other, and even though i do not try to retalliate. She is clearly abusing her power and personally attacking me{{unsigned|Nuka5}} | |||
| :Cite differences, I'm not an administrator, but that's the first thing admin ask for, when arbitrating personal attacks.--] 23:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::OK. I looked through all the edits that you both made, and you violated the rules, she enforced them. It was as simple as that, nearly as far as I can tell. She could have reprimanded you for violating ] but she didn't.--] 00:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Administrator response'': page diffs are needed. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Open reports== | |||
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| ==={{User|John Spikowski}}=== | |||
| This user threatened me and others in the past and got several admin warnings , , including a Personal Attacks - Last Warning . He was quiet for a month now but his last contributions attacked a bot and myself | |||
| with threaten me that I get banned from Misplaced Pages and charging me for issues that I have never done and that are clearly outside of Misplaced Pages. | |||
| :24 hour block for violations of ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Expatkiwi}}=== | |||
| This user has been vandalizing my page here and has been putting personal negative comments on my userpage repeatedly here and here . In the past he has also shown such behavior to others like here with historical revisionist diatribe masking an attack . In this case he is accusing someone of ethnic cleansing because of editing the wrong article . In fact in the past he has been shown trying to explain why he put an article up in wikipedia for propaganda purposes . Because of this I sometimes question why he creates certain articles (I am not against creating articles, but is there really an ulterior motive?) I hope that his behavior stops but unfortunately his actions on my page prevent me from having any hope of calmly discussing this with him. (] 06:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)) | |||
| :'''Final warning issued.''' I'll try to keep an eye on this one, but let me know either via my talk page or here if this sort of behavior continues. ] 08:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Mrpainkiller7}}=== | |||
| User page "enemies" section is self-explanatory. Should take note that the user has shown willingness to compromise from this earlier version which included both my Wiki name and another, after two revert and two warnings. Has also vandalised my talk page as a form of "payback". | |||
| :I have deleted the section of his userpage (violation of ]), as well as accompanying images (per above plus likely copyvios). I have warned him about his actions, if he continues, he will get blocked for violation of CIV-related policies.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 23:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Update: it appears Mrpainkiller7 does not take criticism very well (, ).--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 23:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Blocked one week. I've blanked the profanities at this editor's talk page and user page. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 23:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ====Reopening per Luna Santin's comment in history==== | |||
| This user is now using abusive sock puppets to impersonate me while vandalizing pages. Please see ]. Since ] stated in the summary when s/he removed this entry that it should be replaced if the situation escalates, I'm doing so here. Apologies if this is redundant. --]<sup>(])</sup> 00:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Page diffs, please. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::The whole bit is at ], but here are the diffs of '''one''' of the sock accounts, ] (a not so clever play on my name), impersonating me while vandalizing pages: | |||
| ::And in the history, the sock's user and user talk pages which are exact replicas of mine for the purposes of impersonation: | |||
| ::]<sup>(])</sup> 04:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I went on over to the sockpuppetry case page and blocked two of the accounts indefinitely; the others don't seem to be quite as pressing of problems, unless they've been disruptive in some way? ] 04:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I could argue that ] might fit here since it was used to edit the "enemies list" portion of Mrpainkiller7's page directed at myself and ], but it hasn't been used to attack anyone other than that that I know of, nor ]. They're being used to circumvent Mrpainkiller7's one week block, but that's an issue for the sock puppet report where I'll go note it in my response to your response. Whew, twisted grammar. --]<sup>(])</sup> 04:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|WWETNAFan4Life}}=== | |||
| After this , I posted a { {npa3} } warning on their talk page . The user then posted this obscene message on my user page. ] 13:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Blocked for 24 hours for personal attacks/userpage vandalism. ] ] 13:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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 | This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. Either the page is no longer relevant or consensus on its purpose has become unclear. To revive discussion, seek broader input via a forum such as the village pump. |
- This process has been discontinued per this discussion.
The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on 7 October 2005, was intended as a counterpart to the request for intervention against vandalism page. A person with complaints over personal attacks could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page.
Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While vandalism is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite subjective. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and wikilawyering on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was nominated for deletion, with the result that the noticeboard was closed on 10 January 2007.
The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the administrators' noticeboard, dispute resolution or, as a last resort, arbitration.
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