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| {{Misplaced Pages:Personal attack intervention noticeboard/Header}} | |||
| :'''This process has been discontinued per ].''' | |||
| The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on ] ], was intended as a counterpart to ]. A person with complaints over ] could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page. | |||
| == New reports == | |||
| ==={{User|Euskata}}=== | |||
| Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While ] is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite ]. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and ] on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was ], with the result that the noticeboard was closed on {{#formatdate:10 January 2007}}. | |||
| Keeps personal attacks despite being warned. | |||
| The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the ], ] or, as a last resort, ]. | |||
| “You Dark Tichondriac are sicko racist you need to be taught vandalesson like thulean.--Euskata 01:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thulean is a self-claimed racist, that says it all. You decide.--Euskata 01:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Light has been f inally shown on your ratfinckness we know you maniplate White people thru sock puppets and that you yourself are puppet with Thuleans hand up your skirt.By concerned anonymis” | |||
| “We've dealt with nuisance people like you before and have all times won all disputes and you rest assured we will again. The present dispute your having will not succeed, the sysops are always on are side because we are righht.--Euskata 23:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Do not continue reverting/perverting White people or you will be blocked for a month at least.--Euskata 01:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| How dare you threaten me I'm in the write. No one is with you, no sysop agrees with you, Sugaar and Veritas have denounced you as a racist. You are the one being investigated. P.S. stop your puppetry gimmicks you've been found out.--Euskata 02:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I'm not sugaar's puppet, I take full responsibility for my actions which were write in removing discriminatory comments by racist nordicist vandalist thulean, I only dare to did what Sugaar and Veritas wouldn't do but thought, but they are not responsible for my deletes only me. Don't try to weasley blame Thulean or Veritas you norway rat!--Eusketa” | |||
| ===Procedure=== | |||
| “Thulean is the true vandal. Was legitimately unmasked as racist neonazi by user:sugaar and veritas et rigoritas user too.--Euskata 03:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)” | |||
| ] | |||
| ] | |||
| “Thulean continues to attack White people pages he wont stop he needs to be taught vandalesson.--Euskata 01:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)” | |||
| ] | |||
| “THE REAL VANDAL IS thulean, I wont vandalize anymore but he keeps vandalizing White people still and he needs to be taught a vandalesson.--Euskata 00:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)” | |||
| “White people suc” | |||
| Btw this user is probably 4.245.236.229 | |||
| Warnings: | |||
| ] 21:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *This user is also probably ] ] 22:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *This user was also given this warning: | |||
| Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you. Vandalising a user's talk page is a funny way of proving that you aren't a vandal. CMacMillan 00:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Technical point here: requests must post diffs rather than links. This is another offshoot of the ] dispute so if another administrator is already on this I'm not going to duplicate their actions. However, ''if'' the diffs verify the quotes and ''if'' no other admin is dealing with this aspect I'd look into it. This matter really ought to be consolidated in a single action at a centralized place. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 01:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Recusing myself. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 05:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Street Scholar}}=== | |||
| :For this diff of a personal attack | |||
| and my response (to clarify any misunderstandings ) | |||
| calling me a "racist" repeatedly and then himself makes veiled ] comments (apparently my being Jewish means I hate all Arab people according to Street Scholar). I would npa warn him, but he has a history of making inflammatory statements against people, getting even more aggravated when warned and finally being blocked for it. I do not wish to escalate his bile any more and request admin intervention.] 11:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::''Update'':He has made another racist attack against Bengali people .] 20:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| This isn't the whole story: the first two diffs are in response to other unreferenced posts. I'd like to see a diff for the original "joke" post along with a diff for the strikeout and the apology. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 01:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I provided the diff above. It was an off-the-cuff remark that could be misinterpreted as ethnocentric and I apologized for it in my summary. I provide it again here] In contrast, Street Scholar persists in making racist statements | |||
| . and continues to spam hate sites.There is a post about him on with more information where there his consensus that his behavior is trollish and unacceptable.12:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Open reports== | |||
| <!-- Place reports below this line only after there has been reply to the report --> | |||
| ==={{User|Deathrocker}}=== | |||
| Personal attacks: | |||
| # Deathrocker (Talk | contribs) (clown added inapropriate tag to image.) | |||
| # Deathrocker (Talk | contribs) (clown added inapropriate tag to image.) | |||
| NPAs: | |||
| # <nowiki>{{npa2}}</nowiki> | |||
| # <nowiki>{{npa3}}</nowiki> | |||
| Still personal attacks: | |||
| . Since he is a coward, he wrote a "civil" message in English, adding the uncivility in Italian: "minchione", which means "moron" . | |||
| --] 01:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't like that ''since he's a coward'' comment at all. That's a personal attack in itself. The insults are relatively mild; however, given this editor's actions and long history of blocks I'll issue 48 hours for this one. If I discover you've made other personal attacks to provoke Deathrocker's comments I'll respond appropriately. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 01:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :"If I discover you've made other personal attacks to provoke Deathrocker's comments ": personal attacks to provoke Deathrocker others that what?--] 01:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::You've been rather aggressive about this and your post to my user talk page inaccurately suggested that I had not blocked the other editor. I responded in under 15 minutes, issued the block, and refrained from leaving any formal warning on your own talk page. Yet you're unsatisfied? NPA2 was merited from your original request and you're closing in on ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 02:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|LSLM}}=== | |||
| Personal Attacks by LSLM: | |||
| "In fact the article is a mess. I see no solution for this article, as I am tired of repeating. I have said over and over again that unfortunately the term white to refer to people has been hijacked by Neonazis and there is no way out. Veritas et Severitas 02:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "Dark T., eough is enough. The use of language to hide an agenda is very old. ¨White people are Nordic people¨, ¨Jews are not considered White¨ by whom? by Neo-Nazis of course. That disgusting ideology has no place here to define race, that most malignant of ideologies that was responsible for the death of 50 million Europeans just 60 years ago. I am not going to repeat over and over again the same things and be contributing endlessly. I have a life. Genetics and human decency kicks in the ass that ideology and people like you who insist on defining race following that ideology. Whenever I find tendencious comments trying to define race according to Nordicist/Neo-Nazi propaganda I will revert it and I hope that other decent people will do it too. Veritas et Severitas 12:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "Sorry, but if a duck talks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it is a duck. Veritas et Severitas 13:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "I do believe that Scandinavians are exactly as European as anyone else and that the genetic diversity among all peoples in the world is just marginal. I just hope that readers from Scandinavia are not offended. I know the place and they are among the most polite people and least racist people on earth. But some people like you need a response. So, stop trying to use information about which you have no clue and stop using this site for your Nordicist agenda, that is ludicrous in the light of 21st century knowlegede.Veritas et Severitas 19:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "Man, your ignorance is such that I am not going to discuss with you anymore. I just hope that you leave this place alone. Veritas et Severitas 19:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| "I am glad that other people can see Thulean´s nazi approach. I hope that some administrators can block this guy.Veritas et Severitas 21:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)" | |||
| Warnings to LSLM: | |||
| , ] 21:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Comment''' - Can truth be an attack? Because in context those remarks make complete sense. ] 21:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Truth? I've never added any Nazi argument or used Nazi sources. See page diffs. ] 22:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :LSLM is totally innocent. Thulean is the one who should be investigated: his behaviour and his continued threats are highly disruptive. | |||
| :He's just using this as "legal" platform to try to scare honest and serious wikipedians from staying in his way. --] 22:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please move this matter to ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 03:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''': This is an emotive issue, there are understandably strong feelings on both sides. I've had some dealings with Veritas in the past and he can get quite het up about things, but he's never made personal attacks, though he has questioned other editors motives. I don't think this constitutes a personal attack. Many people here on wikipedia have some sort of ''agenda'', many people are just ignorant of proper wikipedia policies on ], ] and ], many people are just ignorant of modern research and are clinging to old fashioned ideologies because that's what they know and understand and many just want to produce a reliable encyclopaedia. Certain articles are always going to be more sensitive than others and I don't think it is an ''attack'' to infer a person's political beliefs from opinions they have expressed themselves. I also don't think it can be considered a personal attack to question someones motives. Implying someone is a ''nazi'' based on their contributions and stated opinions isn't really a personal attack. Veritas doesn't actually call Thulean a ''nazi'' anywhere, he just says that much of what Thulean is expressing is identical to ''nazi'' ideology. All Thulean has to do is deny it. Thulean may or may not hold these ideologies I am entirely disinterested, but to point out that his opinions reflect those of ''nazism'' is not an attack. ] 03:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I dont think things like quoting Oxford English Dictionary can be seen as identical to Nazi ideology. I welcome anyone to see page diffs. ] 12:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Administrator blows referee whistle''' - this board is not a ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The page already has an RFC (that I initiated as first measure) but this has gone beyond all measure, with T. trying to push everyone against the ropes and trying to scare them with warnings (official or his own unofficial ones, with which he spams other users' talk pages), while POV-pushing editing the page at will. | |||
| :The page already has an RFM (Cabal) and several RFIs. What the page needs is direct administrator intervention and declining Thulean's vitimist PAIN demands that can only strenghen his position and scare off honest, estabilished, responsible wikipedians, like LSLM, myself or whoever happens to be next. --] 11:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::] has a limited purpose and that's to address personal attacks. We can't handle ] here and this isn't dispute resolution. This case is complicated and as I stated last time it came to this board ] and ] have to be taken in context. Certain hot button words are unavoidable when the topic under discussion actually is Nazism and racism; when someone chooses a username that can be found on the titles to Nazi websites and chooses to edit the ] article, those actions do invite comparison. Still, no matter how much one user might deplore what appears to be another editor's beliefs, site policy doesn't grant a license to be rude. Another administrator has already been addressing this matter, probably in response to a different noticeboard post, and the matter is in mediation. That means my intervention would be redundant and I'm rather glad it's redundant: my responsibility as an administrator is to measure behavior against policy regardless of ideology - and as I caution at ] an appeal to personal beliefs may compel me to recuse myself. So right now I'll take no action because it's already being handled. If some other administrator drops the ball and you need to return to this board, ''post evidence and diffs rather than statements of opinion because I am very close to recusing myself.'' <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 01:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Thule means ceiling in greek, ceiling of the world, as in Northern countries. It also means Iceland in ancient Greek literature. It was also a planet in a sci-fi book I have read in secondary school. And finally I like the way it sounds in English (-th- sound). It's not my fault Nazis use it. I understand its connection to ] page but I think it's silly that such comparisons are made not on the basis of my arguments (again, I welcome anyone to check page diffs) but simply based on my nick. People should be careful with their knee-jerk reactions, especially when it's insulting, and especially after being warned. ] 02:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::If you wish to ask questions about Misplaced Pages policies I recommend ]. I have already declared that this request is on hold due to another administrator's intervention. If another irrelevant post is added I will recuse myself from this and all related threads. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 02:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Recusing myself. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 05:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Attacks: | |||
| *Warnings: | |||
| *New Attack: | |||
| ] 17:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|John Spikowski}}=== | |||
| This user threatened me and others in the past and got several admin warnings , , including a Personal Attacks - Last Warning . He was quiet for a month now but his last contributions attacked a bot and myself | |||
| with threaten me that I get banned from Misplaced Pages and charging me for issues that I have never done and that are clearly outside of Misplaced Pages. | |||
| :24 hour block for violations of ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Mitsos}}=== | |||
| The following is an excerpt of what has been left on my talk page: | |||
| "I 'm proud of being White, because Whites created civilization. You are probably some fucking nigger. Whatever you are, you are completely immature." | |||
| Although, admittadly, I started this by attacking his "white supremacist" ideology, I believe that the language and attack here are unacceptable. I am not of African origin, but my Girlfriend is, and this is deeply offensive. Where I have explained and outline my attacks and arguments against this users ideology to this user, he retorts with that. I would ask that he be perminantly banned. He is clearly not a good influence on wikipedia, and a person like him able to influence and edit this site quite frankly scares me. - Izzo <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) {{{2|}}}</small> | |||
| *'''Warned both''' for disruptive behavior. ] 11:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Apocolocynthosis}}=== | |||
| Please have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Apocolocynthosis | |||
| ] says ''Is that a Turkish joke? (Esek sakasi mi bu?)'' (esek means donkey and saka means joke in Turkish, he/she uses donkey for turkish. (Turkish joke: donkey joke). There is not a phrase like this. He/she attacks racist characterizations of other users.--] 15:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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- This process has been discontinued per this discussion.
The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on 7 October 2005, was intended as a counterpart to the request for intervention against vandalism page. A person with complaints over personal attacks could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page.
Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While vandalism is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite subjective. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and wikilawyering on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was nominated for deletion, with the result that the noticeboard was closed on 10 January 2007.
The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the administrators' noticeboard, dispute resolution or, as a last resort, arbitration.
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