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| :'''This process has been discontinued per ].''' | |||
| The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on ] ], was intended as a counterpart to ]. A person with complaints over ] could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page. | |||
| == New reports == | |||
| Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While ] is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite ]. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and ] on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was ], with the result that the noticeboard was closed on {{#formatdate:10 January 2007}}. | |||
| The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the ], ] or, as a last resort, ]. | |||
| ==Open reports== | |||
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| ==={{User|Arrow740}}=== | |||
| ] has been engaging in persistent and aggressive personal attacks against my self to the dismissal of any request to stop. in fact it seems the more he is made aware of his violations the more frequent he is in committing them. the attacks have recurred over a period of just over a month. | |||
| ===Procedure=== | |||
| here are a small sample of diffs of this user and his general incivility: | |||
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| * in response to the lattermost diff, i suggested that he remain civil (civil1) | |||
| * unfortunately, the hostile comments continued: | |||
| * i again requested for him to refrain from personal attacks (npa2) | |||
| * after which, he made these comments: | |||
| * i did nothing in response to this, and i decided that it would be appropriate to stop engaging with this editor for a little while by abstaining from participation in that article. since then, he has continued to provoke me and make personal attacks. in response to , if he continued in this manner (npa3). | |||
| and most recently, , another of which was | |||
| if someone could please step in and deal with this bombardment of personal attacks which i am now finding intolerable, then i would be grateful. thank you. ] 16:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :If you had reported this last month when the editor was making clear personal attacks then I would have intervened. The recent diffs are topical. The statement about your religion looks to me about like it merits a level 2 warning for incivility. If blatant problems recur then post again. The warnings you've already left at this user's page appear appropriate. I'll follow up with a caution of my own. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 17:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Street Scholar}}=== | |||
| :For this diff of a personal attack | |||
| and my response (to clarify any misunderstandings ) | |||
| calling me a "racist" repeatedly and then himself makes veiled ] comments (apparently my being Jewish means I hate all Arab people according to Street Scholar). I would npa warn him, but he has a history of making inflammatory statements against people, getting even more aggravated when warned and finally being blocked for it. I do not wish to escalate his bile any more and request admin intervention.] 11:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::''Update'':He has made another racist attack against Bengali people .] 20:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| This isn't the whole story: the first two diffs are in response to other unreferenced posts. I'd like to see a diff for the original "joke" post along with a diff for the strikeout and the apology. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 01:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I provided the diff above. It was an off-the-cuff remark that could be misinterpreted as ethnocentric and I apologized for it in my summary. I provide it again here] In contrast, Street Scholar persists in making racist statements | |||
| . and continues to spam hate sites.There is a post about him on with more information where there his consensus that his behavior is trollish and unacceptable.12:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :First, please avoid use of ''the t-word''. It wouldn't be appropriate for me to interfere in an arbitration case. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 22:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I only reported what other admins said of him, that's all. His inflammatory statements were made in several pages, not just an rfAr page (if you would look at the diffs above).His racist statements against Bengalis was made in a talk page. I continue to be amazed at how easily he get's away with such disruptive behaviour.] 03:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::This is an open arbitration case, which puts the matter in a different ball park. Raise your concern with the admins who handle arbitration. I suppose you could ask the clerk how to proceed. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 05:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Not all of his issues pertain to the Arbitration. Some of his racist bile was expressed in unrelated matters (just look at the talk page diffs above).] 05:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Your edit comment for that post reads, ''I think you misunderstand'' yet your edit history shows that you ignored my recommendation to consult an arbitration clerk. Hkelkar, it is you who misunderstand. Shall I add an outside statement and a ] citation to the arbitration proceeding? <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font>06:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Deathrocker}}=== | |||
| Personal attacks: | |||
| # Deathrocker (Talk | contribs) (clown added inapropriate tag to image.) | |||
| # Deathrocker (Talk | contribs) (clown added inapropriate tag to image.) | |||
| NPAs: | |||
| # <nowiki>{{npa2}}</nowiki> | |||
| # <nowiki>{{npa3}}</nowiki> | |||
| Still personal attacks: | |||
| . Since he is a coward, he wrote a "civil" message in English, adding the uncivility in Italian: "minchione", which means "moron" . | |||
| --] 01:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't like that ''since he's a coward'' comment at all. That's a personal attack in itself. The insults are relatively mild; however, given this editor's actions and long history of blocks I'll issue 48 hours for this one. If I discover you've made other personal attacks to provoke Deathrocker's comments I'll respond appropriately. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 01:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :"If I discover you've made other personal attacks to provoke Deathrocker's comments ": personal attacks to provoke Deathrocker others that what?--] 01:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::You've been rather aggressive about this and your post to my user talk page inaccurately suggested that I had not blocked the other editor. I responded in under 15 minutes, issued the block, and refrained from leaving any formal warning on your own talk page. Yet you're unsatisfied? NPA2 was merited from your original request and you're closing in on ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 02:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Is there more to this issue than what is in this report? Deathrocker has asked me to review his block and to be quite honest, I'm having a hard time seeing how this 48 hour block is within policy. ] says, "In extreme cases, an attacker may be blocked under the "disruption" clause of the blocking policy, though the practice is almost always controversial." I agree that calling ] a "moron" and "clown" is not acceptable, but it doesn't strike me as falling within the parameters of an "extreme case". In addition, it looks to me like Panarjedde and Deathrocker have behaved at least as badly as each other and if one is blocked, I feel the other should be, too. . ] (]) 22:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :If you read ], persistant personal attacks are a non-controversial block reason - it looks like ] hasn't been updated to reflect current consensus. Unfortunately Deathrocker has a very long history of prior blocks for edit wars and other personal attacks. I think Durova acted appropriately in the situation - also, if you read above he did mention that if he discovered that Panarjedde was provoking the attacks he would deal with that as well. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::The decision to block and the duration of the block were influenced by the editor's past record. A different editor has raised concerns about Panarjedde's behavior and I've invited that editor to open a request at ]. BTW that's ''she''. ;) <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 01:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Doh! And to think I got that right earlier this week; must be the cold meds. :) ] <sup>]</sup> 01:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::No problem. Feel better soon. :) <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 02:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|John Spikowski}}=== | |||
| This user threatened me and others in the past and got several admin warnings , , including a Personal Attacks - Last Warning . He was quiet for a month now but his last contributions attacked a bot and myself | |||
| with threaten me that I get banned from Misplaced Pages and charging me for issues that I have never done and that are clearly outside of Misplaced Pages. | |||
| :24 hour block for violations of ]. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Mitsos}}=== | |||
| The following is an excerpt of what has been left on my talk page: | |||
| "I 'm proud of being White, because Whites created civilization. You are probably some fucking nigger. Whatever you are, you are completely immature." | |||
| Although, admittadly, I started this by attacking his "white supremacist" ideology, I believe that the language and attack here are unacceptable. I am not of African origin, but my Girlfriend is, and this is deeply offensive. Where I have explained and outline my attacks and arguments against this users ideology to this user, he retorts with that. I would ask that he be perminantly banned. He is clearly not a good influence on wikipedia, and a person like him able to influence and edit this site quite frankly scares me. - Izzo <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) {{{2|}}}</small> | |||
| *'''Warned both''' for disruptive behavior. ] 11:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Mitsos has just now posted very unpleasant swearing and personal abuse at ]. ] 18:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :And been blocked for it, although not by me. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 05:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Apocolocynthosis}}=== | |||
| Please have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Apocolocynthosis | |||
| ] says ''Is that a Turkish joke? (Esek sakasi mi bu?)'' (esek means donkey and saka means joke in Turkish, he/she uses donkey for turkish. (Turkish joke: donkey joke). There is not a phrase like this. He/she attacks racist characterizations of other users.--] 15:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Move this request to the appropriate section (new requests) and cite page diffs per the noticeboard rules. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 01:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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- This process has been discontinued per this discussion.
The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on 7 October 2005, was intended as a counterpart to the request for intervention against vandalism page. A person with complaints over personal attacks could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page.
Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While vandalism is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite subjective. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and wikilawyering on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was nominated for deletion, with the result that the noticeboard was closed on 10 January 2007.
The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the administrators' noticeboard, dispute resolution or, as a last resort, arbitration.
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