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:'''This process has been discontinued per ].'''
==New reports==


The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on ] ], was intended as a counterpart to ]. A person with complaints over ] could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page.
==={{User|Propol}} and {{User|Goethean}}===
I have been trying to edit on the ] article and
these two editors, ] and ]
which may be working an ] scenario on the ] article,
have been accusing me of being a sockpuppet from the start.


Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While ] is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite ]. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and ] on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was ], with the result that the noticeboard was closed on {{#formatdate:10 January 2007}}.
These two refuse to discuss my edits but chose to engage in bullying and wikilawyering to intimidate and chase off any editor which don't agree with their POV agenda.


The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the ], ] or, as a last resort, ].
I happen to live in the 6th congressional district, which has approxmaly 100,000
other voters, so there may be other people interested in this article besides them. Please tell these two to stop it and enforce Wikipolicy ] ] and ] Thanks] 06:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


===Procedure===
:Page diffs are needed. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 22:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
]

]
::]is using threats and intimations and defacing my user page with charges of being a sookpuppet so as to drive me off. He behaves, as if he's on a crusade, to drive all editor he don't like, away from the ] Article. I would like him to stop it and behave, as an adult rather than a petulant child. He seems to think he owns the Roskam article. Here is some the diffs, which I think you want. ] 07:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
]

:::], not histories, thanks. '''] <sup>]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 07:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


::::I think this is what you want. Thanks

] 14:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:All but one of those diffs demonstrate edit warring on user talk pages. Your contentions about the article may or may not have merit, but you overstepped the line on these talk pages, Creamofwheaton. Editors have a lot of leeway in how they manage their own userspace, including blanking warnings: many Wikipedians frown on the practice but no consensus has emerged about what limits to impose. By replacing those warnings you've edit warred. Don't worry too much: the warnings are in the page history. Show the actions that prompted that talk page war and refrain from reverting warnings in the future - although of course you may post new warnings as appropriate for additional problem behavior. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 16:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::My understanding of what you have said is that I can remove Graffiti from my talk page. It was this editor that insisted on edit warring on my talk page and my response was to ask him to stop it. As per the procedure I added the ] tag. The war was started by ] due to his mistaken belief that all editors, on that article are Sockpuppets. I will be happy if this editor just sticks with discussing the article, and keeps his theories about the editor's status as a sockpuppet his own and assume good faith. Thanks again.] 23:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
BTW, this is the diff that sparked Propol's user page war.
] 23:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::My criticism was not that you removed warnings from your own talk page, but that you persisted at replacing them on another editor's talk page. In the opening post to this thread you mentioned threats - if there actually have been threats against you then post diffs for that. Otherwise I recommend ]. This particular noticeboard has a limited purpose. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 01:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked ] for being a sockpuppet of banned ]. ] 17:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==={{User|Jamesward22}}===
The user has been vandalising articles and creating new nonsense articles, warnings of which are well-documented on his talk page. In addition, he has made personal attacks via vandalism to my user page as well as to ] on his talk page. The dude's generally being a nuisance and does not seem to want to stop. I hope I'm doing this correctly... —<font color="8100b4">]</font><font color="2f690d">]</font><font color="8100b4">]</font> 18:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==Open reports==
==={{User|Mike Searson}}===
This editor has just published a wikipedia page which includes a public personal attack against me (publicly calling me a Stalker/Vandal)here. http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Mike_Searson#Re:_Stalker.2FVandal Please see that this is revoved from public view as soon as possible. Thank you. {{unsigned|Sam Wereb}}

*THIS NOTICE NEEDS IMMEDIATE ADMINISTRATOR ATTENTION. {{User|Mike Searson}} is now vandalizing my user talk page. ] 16:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sam,

You were the one who began these personal attacks and threats.
You have slandered myself and others to fit your own agenda. Even though you move your libelous comments from public view, they are there for all to see. I repeatedly attempted to work with you on these articles, all you want to do is threatan to have them deleted.
I've offered to talk over the phone on these articles in case you just have a rude manner of typing, seems like all you want to do is make trouble.
--] 07:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:Post page diffs, not links. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 22:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What is a "page diff" and how do I post one? What is being done about this defamation? Why are you making it so difficult to get this simple complaint reviewed? Take the link I posted here and see the history.
:]. That link and all other necessary information is published at the top of this noticeboard. The poster who ignored the instructions has delayed the investigation. I strongly recommend a more respectful tone because under the terms of these rules, it would be entirely appropriate for me to delete this request altogether. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 17:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

'''Thank you, '''Durova''', for the help with diffs. The following should explain my complaint.'''

'''''1.'''On October 5, 2006 {{User|Mike Searson}} made his first personal attack(s) on me within Misplaced Pages, by using the Strider Knives article discussion page to call me "a troll," "a liar," "a failed writer" and to tell me to go wait tables. This is the diff showing the personal attacks:
''

'''''2. ''' On October 5, 2006 I responded to that personal attack by giving the first warning and applying the npa2 tag. I did not know better at the time and applied it to his user page.
This is the diff showing the npa2 tag, albeit on the wrong page, but definitely where he could see it:
''
'''''3. ''' On October 18 or 19, 2006 {{User|Mike Searson}} made his second personal attack on me within Misplaced Pages, labeling me a "stalker/vandal" on his user talk page. Please see this diff:
''

'''''4.''' On October 19, I responded to that second personal attack by giving the second warning and applying the npa3 tag, this time to his user talk page.
''

'''''5.''' After I posted the npa3 tag, {{User|Mike Searson}} continued to harrass me by reverting and amplifying the comments on his user talk page (#3 above) multiple times to ensure that the labels he applied to me could be viewed by any visitor to Misplaced Pages.''

'''6.''' After giving up on reverting his user talk page, {{User|Mike Searson}} took the harrassment to a serious new level by faking the npa3 tag on my user talk page here: ''

'''''7.''' {{User|Mike Searson}} continues to make personal attacks and harrass me by using his user talk page as a billboard for posting public comments on me. See this diff:
''''

I believe that this covers everything, so far. If there is anything else I need to do to perfect this complaint, please let me know. Thank you in advance ] 02:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:We've got two different requests going for the same topic. My reply is above. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 03:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

''Durova, I am answering your comments from above here, because my original complaint about him using Misplaced Pages to make personal attacks against another editor is still outstanding.''

''Of course the personal attacks spring from a NPOV conflict. I'm sure that many others do, too. This complaint here on the '''Personal Attack Intervention Noticeboard''' is about '''these personal attacks'''. There is little else for me to do than to show you each specific example again, the first one(s) '''here''' , the second one '''here''' , and the third one '''here''' . ''

''I know that you are making every attempt to be thorough, but I hope that you will not further delay to discharge your duty. If you do, he will consider it a victory and an implicit license to commit more personal attacks and we will be back here in less than a month. I have dealt with this type of keyboard commando before and I know for certain how they act.''

''Concerning the veiled threat which you have seen on this very page, one has only to look at his user page and all the prevarications he has flung against the wall here to see clearly what kind of individual we are probably dealing with and what to expect from him in the future. ''

''This is an individual who doesn't think he has to follow any rules of any society he joins, and that whatever rules and administration are in place are there for him to manipulate. For Christ's sake, he reported me on the Personal attack intervention noticeboard for prudent and patient application of the npa2 and npa3 tags more than a month apart.''

''I have a family to watch out for, and I hope that I don't have to take any extra measures to protect them simply because I ran into difficulty here with a deranged POV pusher who is rapidly coming unhinged. His attitude and behavior reflect what the M.M.M. is always saying and I am starting to believe may be right: 90% of knife and gun people are stark raving mad.''

''These are simple, straightforward, easy-to-identify, personal attacks on another Wikipedian and they should be stopped. I hope that this user prevented from making more personal attacks because, otherwise, I don't think it will be long before we will be back here for the same reason. Thank you for your consideration.'' ] 06:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

''As if what I have proferred so far doesn't paint a convincing picture of what we are dealing with, this user continues above to demonstrate his complete disregard for civility and good faith activity, as well as his utter contempt for the entire process by continuing to carry this "debate" to this page. I am sure there have been more egregious conduct violations than he has shown in the last few days, but none spring to mind right now.'' ] 06:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:I've seen those diffs before. Yes, they violate ] and ] - not the worst cases of either. What I'm waiting to see is the post where you believe he issued a veiled threat. He says it doesn't exist and every time I ask you for it you change the subject. I am ''not'' going to block on the basis of unsubstantiated claims, no matter how dire, and if you really are so concerned for your family's safety then the logical thing to do would be post that link immediately - you could have done so days ago. I cautioned you once before at this thread about ]. What I see now - what's actually on the screen - is a rather egregious violation of ], ], and ] with no mitigating evidence. I could understand someone reacting this way if they actually had been threatened. What you have instead presented, so far, is evasion and condescension. There are two possibilities before me: one is that you have a legitimate and serious basis for concern; the other is that you've presented a deplorable histrionic display. I expect those two possibilities to narrow into one with your next post. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 16:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


==={{User|Sam Wereb}}===

The following user is constantly making derogatory comments about people, particularly knifemakers and is threatening to have me removed from wikipedia as well have my articles trashed. ] I saw Wiki deleted a personal attack the user made against Rick Hinderer.

Everything in the three articles I've been working on - ], ] and ] - can be sourced and is sourced, yet this person refers to them as puff pieces and has made numerous derrogotory comments against the Hinderers, Emersons, and Strider knives. He's fond of deleting the libellous attacks he makes too and denies them after the fact. Check his history particularly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Jerry.mills&oldid=77279071
and here where he slandered a decorated firefighter so badly that it was deleted alltogether:
]
Check the history(he deletes his own comments often) and I have asked this user repeatedly what the problem is, etc. he refuses to answer and only tries to hide his slanderous comments after reporting people.

Thank you. --] 22:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

All morning it continues.
He places "attack warnings" on my personal page out of retribution for asking him to stop. Threataning to ban me with people he knows here. His latest tactic is to edit my talk page and his talk page and then try to get me in trouble for something called a Three Revert Rule which I never heard of.
--] 17:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::If this editor has actually threatened to use personal contacts to have you banned, please post a specific page diff for that. The Three Revert Rule is explained at ], but I don't see how he interprets that against you. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 22:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Understood.
Here are some examples, I think this is how to post them:
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]

]

It may be a miscommunication problem or he may be an overzealous editor. I want to work within the guidelines to fix these articles. It is obvious I did not write them, I'm only trying to edit, document, organize and clean them up. I am close enough to the sources to have access to information not necesarrily found online. When I link to an online source it's called "spam".

I do get concerned when libelous attacks are made against people Sam has crossed offline.--] 23:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Sam's slandering continues calling me a dangerous and volatile individual here: ].

I never threataned anyone, I was trying to stop the edit warring and reach consensus. My phone number is a matter of public record and on my website, I was simply trying to resolve this situation like an adult. ]--] 02:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
----
:Okay, reposting a bit from my talk page:
::''Dear Durova,''

::''Thank you for not deleting my complaint and for prompting me to read how to use diffs. In my haste to get the attacks stopped, I didn't notice the guide at the top of the page. At your earliest convenience, please arbitrate the complaint. I think it is a pressing matter because, when I read his user page, I become concerned that this is a dangerous individual with a volatile personality. I am especially concerned when I see the veiled threats he has made on the complaints page, itself, about calling me at home to "discuss" the matter. Thank you. ] 02:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)''
:::''I'm glad you're getting the hang of the site. It can be confusing at first - I've been there. ] has a limited purpose and most of what I see looks like a content dispute. So my usual response would be to refer you to ]. Your statement about veiled threats is a different matter: please post page diffs specifically to show that at the noticeboard thread. Respectfully, <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 02:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)''

::::''Pardon me, but do my diffs not already show him calling me "a troll," "a liar," and "a failed writer"? Please see this one The attacks are in the green highlighted section (green in my browser, anyway.) None of those are content disputes, surely. ''

::::''Further, this user shows some serious contempt for the process by carrying on on the personal attacks intervention board. That's where you will find the veiled threat to telephone me about all this. How do I diff to that? When you see stuff like that from a guy who boasts about his background as much as he does, on his user page, it's something a prudent man has to take seriously. Thanks, again. ] 03:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)''
:The bulk of this dispute is about ], which isn't going to get resolved at this noticeboard. I don't intervene in many content disputes, but sometimes the personal attack component merits separate attention. One thing I take very seriously is when someone appears to threaten real world retribution, even if they do so in a veiled manner. So clarify this with specific links and page diffs: was this a matter of
:#Giving a link to one's own phone number and inviting a telephone call from the other party? (innocuous)
:#Suggesting one has the ability to discover the other party's telephone number and initiate the call? (worrisome)
:I'd like to hear from both sides. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 03:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not the best typist in the world, sometimes it's slow and I make numerous mistakes. Here is my personal web page:
http://mikesearson.com/
I am a public individual and it lists my phone number. I was simply trying to resolve this without the constant back and forth bickering that was going on on the talk page. It is not uncommon for me to pick up a phone and call someone when there is a misunderstanding.

I have an about me page on here ] that lists my accomplishments in life: does serving as a Marine, being a Catholic going through Religious training, liking Corvettes, or drinking Guinness make me a public nuisance? How is it bragging when I'm just saying who I am? A Latin speaker who loves ancient history?

Again, 2 months ago he slandered a friend of mine.] I reacted out of anger and since publicly apologized twice to him. I thought we were moving on, but apparently this editor has a grudge against me and my friend, Mr Strider and is now taking it out on an article I am trying to fix about another friend, Mr Emerson.

I did not come here to make trouble, I just want to contribute to some articles here and help out.--] 04:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, unless I see some evidence to contradict that from the other party I'll take that at face value. Interim recommendation is mediation. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 05:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I placed my answer below, where it belongs. ] 06:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Here we go again.
First he says he's afraid of me for threataning him, which I never did.
Then he calls me a keyboard commando and makes baseless insinuations about me based on innuendo. He says he thinks I don't have to follow the rules of society and I'm a manipulator and calls me stark raving mad.

I don't see how any of that can be deduced from anything that I have ever posted on this site. I don't know whether to consider it more personal attacks or just to laugh it off. --] 06:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's interesting that he claims I threataned him and then goes on with his condesencion and snide remarks:
Personally, I think he's just trying to get my goat, but I will not take the bait.
--] 08:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

==={{User|Iwazaki}}===
He/she has posted that what we written there was nonsense. , despite the ''final warning'' given by {{User|Shell Kinney}} and my requests to be polite twice and the polite explanation from {{User|Crimsone}} about what is personal attack . --<b>]</b><sup>]</sup> 20:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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:: I was refering to the controversial template.And yes,i believe, with very good reason, that most of the things there are nonsense..I dont think i breach any of the wiki policies here.But, i can certainly show you someone who keep breaking all the wiki policies and going into low standards such as name calling.And surprisingly the above user seem not worry at all about it,even though it is written in his talk page.have a look ].
while failing to see obvious personal attacks on a entire race, the above user accusess me for something i didnt do at all.
--] 00:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::That looks like a content dispute. The post focuses on other editors' actions. Although the statement is exasperated in tone, it addresses what this editor perceives are the merits of the matter at hand without crossing the line. Recommend ]. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 02:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:: The word,goon,which literally means criminal or silly person ,is one of the worst personal attacks one would expect to get. It makes even worst, that the editor has attcked an entire race with his use of this improper word.. doesnt this desereve a ban ??
thank you
--] 09:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Did this editor actually create and use a copyvio userbox with an ethnic slur or just float the idea briefly on a user talk page before thinking better of it? Page diffs, please. If I don't see more hard evidence then the recommendation stands. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 16:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

==={{User|Isarig}}===
We've had disagreements in the past that have escalated; I responded to the last three personal attacks using the NPA template as directed. After the third warning, he from his user talk page and on my talk page calling the warnings "pony" (I assume he meant "phony") and threatening me with some sort of action. I do not believe the warnings were phony, and they were not threats; I simply used the NPA template as directed to on Misplaced Pages rules; two of his attacks were insults about my real world employment, a job Isarig claims (without evidence) that I am not qualified to do, and the other two, were insults based on the fact that I was voicing my opinion about editing an article on Misplaced Pages. I do not believe such insults are warranted on Misplaced Pages. ] 05:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:] has been leading a personal vendetta against me since I reported him for violating 3RR a month ago . As part of that, he has recently taken to filling up my Talk page with phony warnings about alleged personal attacks. This user has been spearheading a 6-month campaign to keep any sort of criticism out of the ] page. This campaign involved an edit war in which he a participated, which resulted in the page being protected. There is now an on-going effort to resolve the disputes on that page. A compromise is close, with 5-6 editors agreeing to it, and ] being the only one who refuses to accept the compromise. I have thus described his ''actions'' (not him) as "stubborn refusal" - a characterization he now interprets as a "personal attack on him. This user has himself been extremely uncivil, warned about personal attacks on his Talk page several times , and has been for his behavior by other users on the Juan Cole Talk page . ] 16:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::This situation belongs in an article content (or perhaps a user conduct) ]. ] and tone down the discussion to a more appropriate level. If Isarig's allegations are valid then ] would be an applicable guideline. This falls outside the scope of this noticeboard. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 16:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Please read the personal attacks on my job, which have nothing to do with the edit dispute. Isarig is citing disputes with other editors and totally mischaracterizing the debate on the ] page. The personal attacks are way out of line. ] 20:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I have read the entire thread, most of which is out of line. It's unworthy of academic dignity to post ''You're wrong, and if you took my class, you would get a correct impression of issues or you would flunk the tests...you're basing your high-and-mighty posturing on a distinction that dates back to before the invention of the radio'' or ''You're just blatantly trolling now''. That is blatant ] and ]. Neither side is above reproach and I would prefer to see this group of editors' considerable knowledge channel into more productive areas. Please step back, take a breather, and try mediation. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 02:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Those comments were specifically addressed to his personal attacks on me for doing my job outside of Misplaced Pages as a university professor. It is disheartening to see such attacks supported by an admin. You're right, everyone needs to relax on that page, but I am not Gandhi. Must I remain passive while someone who has never set foot in one of my classrooms berates me about my ability to teach a class I've been teaching for a decade? ] 02:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Actually this particular noticeboard request would have been simpler if you ''had'' remained a bit more passive. It's easier to adjudicate personal attack claims within a content dispute when one party's actions remain restrained while the other side crosses the line. In this particular instance I happen to know something about the surrounding content issue: my graduate studies were in writing and I'm fairly well versed in the definitions of libel and slander, although not so deeply knowledgeable as to trace their history in case law. As an administrator at this noticeboard my role is to examine personal attack claims as an objective observer. A statement against one's career might sting far more than the words that proceeded it, but the entire discussion had been on a downward spiral. A 24 hour block wouldn't fix that. You're intelligent editors, the kind of contributors I'd like to foster and encourage, and the very best I can do for all of you is to reroute this to ]. Respectfully, <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 03:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


==={{User|87.102.16.174}}===
User became abusive and insulting on ], either due to trolling or to a content dispute regarding the Monty Hall Problem discussion, including calling editors "drunk", "trolls" and various swear words. User was warned earlier today by Melchoir using the npa template on his talk page to stop using personal attacks, but he continued to vandalize the reference desk after that warning. Recommend temporary block. ] 22:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:Almost forgot to include some diffs. Three attacks in order of appearance, the last one of which was after Melchoir's template warning. ] 22:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

*Since this IP had only ever been warned once and has not edited for more than an hour, I've given a '''final warning'''. Repost if they continue. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==={{User|DOTA123}}===
User started a string of personal attacks (under this username and his anon IP 166.102.136.59) after his was deleted per my ].
Under his username:
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Under his IP:
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] 00:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

*Final warning already given, no personal attacks since warning. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


==={{User|Killerman2}}===
Take a look at . This idiot should be banned for a long time, if not for ever. Thank you.--] 12:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:Specific diff: . Last NPA warning at 20 July 2006; just gave him {{t1|npa3}} then. Latest attack seems racist-based, so maybe a warning isn't required to block. History of race-based attacks (see last NPA warning). Note, Barbatus, please do not make personal attacks (like "idiot") yourself. '''] <sup>]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 12:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
::User proceeded to blanking my warning...classy. '''] <sup>]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 13:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I've blocked {{user:Killerman2}}, if Barbatus continues, he too will get a block. <strong>]]]</strong> 01:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for intervening. I'm not sure I understand, however, what I should not continue. I've never made any obscene remarks on anyone's talk page, or any other page, for that matter. How you can (or can not) continue something you've never started? (I took a liberty to correct spelling of my user name in your comment.) Thanks again,--] 20:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Calling someone an "idiot" is a personal attack (see about six lines above). '''] <sup>]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 07:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::It was but a just (as you yourself admitted) response to an unprovoked attack on me, on my personal page. I overreacted, perhaps. But I did not attack anyone. ''Dixi''.--] 16:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::''"There is '''no''' excuse to make personal attacks"'' (emphasis in ]). '''] <sup>]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 10:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::My point exactly. And what, may I ask, has been done to that Killerman2? He's happily editing, right? --] 12:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)



==={{User|Achillobator}}===

This user keeps making attacks on another user for reverting his racially motivated edits to articles . He made this one after I placed a warning on his talk page . It looks like he is the same person as ] but registered an account to edit war on the Egyptians article and avoid the pervious vandalism warnings on his IP page. It seems he was called on for help by ] who's also edit warring on the article. ] 03:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

*Not clear personal attacks, since he is discussing his concerns with her behavior. Editor has been asked to be more civil in the future. Please use ] for the edit warring. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

::You mean "I'm better than you" is an ] but "she has a racial purity complex and has emotional problems" (twice) is not clear enough?? I think you just called that "discussing". And about "his concerns with her behavior"; I am certainly suspicious of someone who adds a questionable edit from an IP of a known vandal, who just happens to know the other person making the exact same edit, and then immediately registers a new account to edit war over it. At any rate, I wouldn't have even bothered with a report, after all it's wiki, and it's not like a couple of attacks didn't roll off my back, but I would expect a little bit more sense. &mdash; </font>]] <b><font color="#daa520">&middot;</font></b> ] 00:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

'''Update''': Another one: ''disregarding what some northern Egyptian most likely raised with a medieval-era anti-black stigma thinks.'' ] 04:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:Shell, I don't want to step on your toes - do you think this needs follow-up? <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 15:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)





==={{User|NazireneMystic}}===

Please warn user ] to refrain from personal attacks and remove offending material from the ] page (from
to the end of the talk page). This user posted his user page ] and VfD proceedings of a deleted stub ] on the talk page along with numerous personal attacks against myself and another editor (eg. see] and .

If reading about your actions feels like a personal attack change your actions] 08:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

This user has ignored repeated requests to respect Wikiquette guidlines posted on the talk page and has been given two prior npa3 warnings about personal attacks, ] and ]. Thank you. ] 03:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I dought there is a guidline wikipedia has that you not only break every day but lawyer around them to use them for reason contrary to what they were meant for from what ive seen if an action were taken against me compaired to what ive had to put up with from you it would be like getting a speeding ticket at the Brick Yard 400] 08:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:This user was also asked to stop one last time on talk page again after receiving the second npa3 warning. ] 04:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ovadyah,

You can ask me to stop exposing your wikipedian lawyering tactics 1000 times but I do not care. If I did not almost daily point out how your tring to dominate the Ebionite artical with extreme POV it would had been totaly over ran months ago. Your upset because someone is calling you on your endless crap. If I were a nice guy I would had been ran off the artical long ago like you did to keith ackers who is actualy listed as a scholar and source for the artical if who ever is reading this realy cares to learn whats been going on contact Keith for one and he might tell you how these wikipedians have been acting and be sure to take the time to go through the archive pages so you can see the wild tactics used so far to push Ovadyah's POV its been quiet an experience here at wikipedia. If ovadyah is sensitive then Ovadyah should not be ingaging in such things] 08:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

This user constantly trolls my contribution logs. I am changing my request to a '''warning and a temporary block'''. I have also invited several editors involved in the Ebionites article or AfD to comment. ] 08:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you invite the other meatpuppet?] 08:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:I alerted co-editor ], ] from RFC, and admin ] to the notice, if they wish to expand on my comments. ] 14:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:Neither of you are behaving very well in this instance. Ovadyah, please provide specific diffs. ]<i>::</i><small>]</small> 15:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::As no warning (other than some unnecessary ones from Oyidah at an earlier date) were issued, I've warned NazireneMystic for , which was unacceptable. I would hope that unless he/she continues making edits of this kind, the matter is now closed. ]<i>::</i><small>]</small> 15:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
'''Administrator blows referee whistle''' - this is not the place to conduct a dispute. 24 hour block issued. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 01:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you very much. It should be noted, however, that this user has already evaded the block by copying his talk page to another alias, ]. ] 01:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::The other account hasn't been used since 11 November and the move occurred before I administered the block. Suggest you follow-up with a suspected sockpuppet report. Post again here if problems resume. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 01:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I will. Thanks again for taking care of it. ] 13:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

This is but the latest wikilawyering act by ovadyah. tring to make it appear as if I evaded a block when I did not. Since noone here understands the difference in a person attack and aksing people to explain their wiwilawying tactics I gusee you will also not understand what a socketpuppet your going to file a socket puppet report now? baised on what? My first edit using that account mentioned That I was NazireneMystic and opened it because I forgoet my password. This it tipical of him thoe Isee you sugected the socketpuppet report with out seeing any evidence of such but didnt say anything about a meatpuppet report after I Laid out the evidence on the talkpage of the artical the meatpuppetry affected] 03:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

:The 24 hour block was based the following words NazireneMystic posted to this page: ''Your upset because someone is calling you on your endless crap.'' An additional 48 hour block has now been issued for another post in which the same editor accuses another editor of spitting on people. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 22:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)



==={{User|Caligvla}}===
First of all for the history of this user feel free to consult admin ] (who can verify his sockpuppet use for example) and ] (for previous disruptions). This was his response to ], ] and myself today. When asked to be civil and cease personal attacks. He responded with this: . Apparently, ] justifies his actions...--] 23:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Eupator has a long history of wikistalking, personal attacks, lies, and extreme abusive behavior, consult admin ] and admin ] This constant abuse and disruption from Eupator must end.--] 06:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:History of prior blocks on both sides, looks like an ongoing content dispute. If two other admins know a more serious history then why haven't they followed up? We need evidence at this board, not allegations. Recommend ]. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 15:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::What was wrong with the diffs I provided?--] 23:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I intend to seek mediation after I return from Asia in Jan.--] 22:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==={{User|Petr Vokáč}} a {{User|Nácíček Ignác}} ==
I ask for indefinite ban for these sockpuppet-users: (he vandalised my homepage) and (he made hard personal attack on my diskusion and his name is attack against me too = small nazi Ignác in czech). Thanx. ] 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
: ] posted here ten minutes after a request regarding ] was rejected at ]. Normally I would deliver a strong rebuke to a requesting editor who conducts an undisclosed search for sympathetic administrators and ignores the instructions at a noticeboard. The request should have gone to ]. However, the ] example is so blatant that I'll issue an indefinite block. I'm not going to intervene with ] because another administrator has already acted. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 17:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

==Death Threat==
] issued a death threat to admin ] . The editor's only other "contributions" were vandalisms. Please block immediately and permanently. Thanks! ] <sup>]</sup> 17:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:I was going to indef block but someone already beat me to it. <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 17:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks, you <s>guys<s> <s>gals<s> admins are great :) ] <sup>]</sup> 17:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::''Gal'' is fine, ''pardner.'' <font face="Verdana">]<sup>'']]''</sup></font> 18:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:59, 13 August 2024

This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference.
Either the page is no longer relevant or consensus on its purpose has become unclear. To revive discussion, seek broader input via a forum such as the village pump.
This process has been discontinued per this discussion.

The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on 7 October 2005, was intended as a counterpart to the request for intervention against vandalism page. A person with complaints over personal attacks could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page.

Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While vandalism is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite subjective. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and wikilawyering on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was nominated for deletion, with the result that the noticeboard was closed on 10 January 2007.

The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the administrators' noticeboard, dispute resolution or, as a last resort, arbitration.

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