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			'''<span style="color:white;">R E T I R E D</span>]'''</div><br></div>

			<div class="center">'''Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at ]. '''</div>
	== Google User box template discussion ==

	Durin - this matter has died down in February but doesn't seem to be resolved. Could you weight in please. Doesn't the typing in the

			==Sorry==
	]

			I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	being discussed at

			== :-( ==
	]

			Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :(
	resemble and infringe upon

			Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --] 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	]??] 14:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

			:You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ] ] 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	==Sorry Durin==
	I will revert what ever I see fit. --] 18:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

			::What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( ''']''' ('']'') 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	== Seeking adminship ==

			Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --] 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	I'm preparing for adminship. You appear to be the resident expert on admin qualifications, and since you don't like picking "low hanging fruit", I believe that makes you the right one to see. I would be very grateful if you would consider me as a candidate for adminship. I was the subject of an RfC last spring (for overzealousness), I've had my fair share of run-ins with other editors (but nothing major since the RfC), and it has been pointed out that my use of multiple accounts might be a point of contention when I attempt an RfA. My major contributions are presented on my userpage, and highlights include stirring the ] to action last winter, ditto the ] early this year, the ] overhaul early last spring, and I resurrected the ] project.<br><br>Amongst the pages I have created are the ] and the ], though I can't take full credit for those either (virtually nothing on Misplaced Pages was created in a vacuum: the ] for instance was inspired by an idea of ], through whose talk page I learned of you). If you need to speak to someone concerning my performance on Misplaced Pages, ] may be a good one to talk to, being the person who filed the RfC, and whom I'm now working closely with on the contents pages of Misplaced Pages (or maybe it's the other way around, it's hard to tell). Renata is also famiiar with me, from a brighter angle, I hope. I look forward to your reply. Sincerely,  ''''']'''''05:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
			:Someone still has to do the job. ''']''' ('']'') 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	*My standards state that I do not nominate people who have had a legitimate RfC filed against them. I realize it happened last Spring, but I am not comfortable with the fact that you did not participate in the RfC. I would recommend that you constrain yourself to one account, rather than using sandbox accounts. You can do everything with one account. There's no policy stating that you must have only one account, but evaluating you when you have 13 other accounts is a very difficult task. This is not to say that I have evaluated you as a bad editor or anything like; just that these standards are important to me to maintain for a number of reasons. You may wish to request assistance at ]. --] 20:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
			::More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --] 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	** I appreciate your analysis, and agree that mine is a tougher case than usual. That is why I've come to you: because if anyone can sort out the essence of a situation (or an editor) on Misplaced Pages, it is you. As for the RfC, perhaps I should offer an explanation... Well, like you, I wasn't comfortable with the RfC either, specifically with the prospect of arguing with 5 people at the same time. It would have been a further escalation of a confrontation (everyone seemed hot under the collar, especially me). Continuing a fight is not a good way to cool off. Walking away saved them and me a lot of time and effort that was better spent on the encyclopedia. It turned out better that way, because had I participated, I would have been compelled to defend my position (and an untenable one at that). Stepping back allowed me to reflect on the scenario, the situation, and the nature of the wiki without putting myself and everyone else through an even bigger ordeal. I came away with an appreciation for how consensus works here, and how direct competition (such as between drafts and between editors) does not. It also taught me the fine line between clashing and getting along in this very strange but interesting development environment and community. And once I "got it", I liked it even more! Note that I continue to edit as boldly as ever, but this time around ''with the grain'', rather than against it. Clashing wastes human resources. Synergy is a much better solution. I hope you will reconsider my request. My contributions can be found at ], and they clearly show my love and concern for Misplaced Pages: the ''encyclopedia'' and ''community'' both. I enjoy helping to build this knowledge resource for the world, and I offer to help even more. Sincerely,  ''''']'''''23:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
			There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the ]. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. . I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --] 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	***I respectfully decline to conduct a further review of you for adminship. As noted above, please do not take this as any negative assertion regarding you. I recommend you:
	***#Restrict yourself to one account and one account only, having an admin shut the others down by indefinite block. I'd be happy to do this for you on positive confirmation on each talk page that you are the owner. No, this is not policy; you can have multiple accounts but many people frown upon it and it will ultimately hurt your chances in a future RfA.
	***#Request a review of yourself for adminship at ]. It will take a while to get someone tasked with reviewing you, but it will help.
	***#Be patient. I'd go at least a few months using just the one account, and waiting until after the first of the year will allow you to say "the RfC was early last year".
	***#Consider that not responding on an RfC is considerably worse than admitting you were in error and accepting the opposite position as be in the right. Getting closure to a matter can be better achieved in such a manner than simply not responding. It might be in your interest to now respond to the people who contributed significantly to that RfC and indicate some of what you said above.
	***Just some advice. I hope it helps. All the best, --] 13:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

			::Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	==Get off your high horse==
	It's people like you who will destory wikipedia, you can try and bully me and ban me if you want but you need to get your head out of your ass. Your campaign of threatning other users and acting big is a waste of time, there is nothing wrong with political party logos' in articles about political parties and elections. Trust me when I say politcal parties in Canada know full well what goes on wikipedia. But that kinda common sense stuff just fly right over your head. Which is really what I would exepect from someone who, doesn't seem smart enough to contribute any usefull content, but just makes other contributors who actually do contribute miserable. --] 00:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
	: Having a thread of my own here, I couldn't help notice yours. Maybe these guideline pages will help: see ''']''' and ''']'''. Good luck.  ''''']'''''02:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
	::*(To ]) I am disappointed you have chosen the path you have. You've raised a few points (outside of the personal attacks, for which you've been warned by Elonka below) that I'd like to address.
	::*I have not threatened you. I am sorry that you feel that way, but nothing in what I have done has in any way been intended to threaten you. That you feel you're going to become a martyr because you're being blocked is to say the least very disheartening. Nevertheless, I am applying the block that you were warned would happen if you willfully violated the policy again, which you have. The fault here is not with myself or the other admin that warned you, but with you for failure to understand that our policies must be adhered to despite you being warned to that effect by the other admin.
	::*Whether or not the political parties are well aware of what happens on Misplaced Pages is irrelevant. If they have specifically released their logo images under a free license, then there would be no issue with the use of the logos as you would like. However, to date you've not provided any evidence that they have. Whether or not they are content with abuses of their copyrights has no bearing on the usage of their logos here. We do not make exceptions except in extremely rare cases (the only ones I know of have had to do with the main page, and temporary at that). This is because creating an environment where fair use images can exist because of various exceptions, clauses, pseudo-oks from organizations, and what not creates a nightmare management situation for Misplaced Pages. Instead, the policy is written to be clear; decorative use of fair use images is not allowed. It's easy to understand, easy to follow, easy to enforce and (usually) easy to convey to people who (usually temporarily) disagree with the policy. If instead we structured this as you would have it be so, there would be no reasonable way in which we could possibly manage the use of fair use images on Misplaced Pages.
	::*Please understand; Misplaced Pages receives e-mail and phone calls every single day regarding copyright violations and fair use abuse. We can not assume that "x" organization is ok with a given fair use abuse just because we think it very unlikely they would ever sue. We will eventually be wrong, and trust me; Misplaced Pages has already received ''many'' threats of legal action. We have to draw a line somewhere. For the use of fair use images in decorative ways, we draw the line at saying it's not allowed. Period.
	::*Failure to adhere to copyright law and fair use law directly threatens the very existence of Misplaced Pages. We must take a stance against such abuses in order to protect ourselves against this threat. I am sorry you disagree, but your disagreement does not change the facts; we must adhere to copyright law and we must have a policy that is easy to manage.
	::*Fair use policing is one small subset of all that I do. I contribute in many other arenas in a variety of different ways. A sampling of this can be seen at ]. Therefore, your accusation that I am not "smart enough to contribute any usefull content" is not just a personal attack, but also false. I encourage you to carefully reconsider making any personal attacks in the future, whether they have basis in fact or (as in this case) no such basis. Such behavior will lead to increasingly long blocks of your editing privileges.
	::*The choice here is very clearly yours; you can continue to violate Misplaced Pages policy by inserting fair use images against policy and/or conducting personal attacks and suffer increasingly long blocks. Or, as I hope you will do, you can choose to not make such errors and continue contributing has you have done in so many ways here...minus the personal attacks and fair use abuse.
	::*I'd be quite happy to discuss this matter in greater depth if you like, to help clarify any remaining points that remain unclear. Being a martyr doesn't help you, me, or the project. Agreeing to abide by our policies isn't admitting defeat, or any other similar notion. Let's work together...not apart.
	::*As noted above, with your willful violations of policy I am temporarily blocking your editing privileges. While the block lasts, you may continue to edit here on your talk page but no other pages. The block I am applying is for 24 hours. starting now. --] 05:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

			**<nowiki>:-o</nowiki> Un-fucking-believable. --] 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	== ] ==

			::You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	I think you misunderstood my change. Currently, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that only fully-completed nominations can be listed. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that a nominator would list a nomination for the nominee. My change was only meant to reflect that nominees should be the ones listing their own RFAs after they've answered the standard questions and accepted the nom, as is current practice, and not the nominators. – ]] 14:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
			:::Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. ] (] \| ]) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	*Nominators can and do list other people's nominations. It's not all that unusual. Reason; some nominees are not denizens of RfA and do not know how to list the RfA properly. They'd rather have someone who knows what they are doing at RfA do it for them. --] 14:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

			Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. ] 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	As an aside, Durin, I'm sure you know just as well as I do that rollback is not for ] edits. – ]] 14:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
			*I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. ] 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	*Given that I left a note on your talk page, and also started a discussion on the point at WT:RFA, I think this is a non-issue in this case. Observe the second sentence in the second bullet point of ] where it says "In other words, try to consider the editor 'on the other end.'" I did. :) --] 14:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
			**I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, '']]]'' 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

	== ~~Itsmymarket.com~~ ==		==Not right==
			This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --] <small>(])</small> 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
			:E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --] <small>(])</small> 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
			:*Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --] 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

			* Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --] 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	Hi, I'm fairly new here, so I'm probably missing something, but did you delete ]? The article is there, and the history of the page doesn't have you on it, but it seems like the article has been deleted. By you. Itsmymarket.com seems to fail the speedy deletion "web" criterion. Thanks. ] 16:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
	*I deleted it under ] #11. It may have been premature under G11, but not under A7. The creator re-created it, fleshing it out some more. I left a note the creator regarding the issue and asked him to defend the notability of the website (see ). Don't worry about being new and raising an issue; all of us are equals. --] 16:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

			* . ] 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	Reading this I can't really justify it - there is a lot of media conversation in Cornwall (an Alexa ranking for a site which is still in one small area of South West England seems good to me?) but it is almost entirely non-web based. That is part of the nature of Cornwall.
			*I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... ] 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

			*From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. ] 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	I'm not a wikipedia person on the whole, but this site is something which a lot of people have been talking about down here and people are interested in it. I didn't realise that there were specific levels of interest before a subject was considered important enough for inclusion.

			*The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. ] ] 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
	Got any advice? (You were pretty quick off the mark, mind - I hadn't even finished the info box when you deleted it).
			:*Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — ] ] 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

			::* I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, stupid moment . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. ] ] 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_%28web%29 {{unsigned\|Lord Manley\|17:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)}}
	*Sorry if it seemed to quick for you. We receive a great many articles per day which are routinely deleted. Have a look at . We've deleted more than 2500 pages today already. One of the problems we have is spam, with a number of companies trying very hard to get their name onto Misplaced Pages as Misplaced Pages is a very high profile site and having your name there is free advertising. We have to fight against that. That's party of the reason for the notability standards. Advice? Wait. If itsmymarket.com becomes notable enough to warrant an article, someone will eventually write one. We already have near 1.5 million articles. Believe in ]. Another admin has gone ahead and deleted the article. --] 19:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

			:::What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? ] 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
	== Quebec Autoroutes ==

			==Sigh==
	Who owns the copyright to the Quebec Autoroute Shields? i thought a wikipedia member made them. <span style="border: 2px solid #330000; text-align:center; background: #C0C0C0; text-color: #DDDDDD; link: #A0522D; vlink: #000000"> ''']''' • ] • ]'''</span> 19:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
			This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. ] 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	*If I make an image that is precisely or very, very nearly akin to the Coca-Cola logo I do not gain full rights to the image. What has happened is the user has created them, but they are very nearly akin to the actual Quebec Autoroute shields. As a result, that user does not have full rights to release them into the public domain. I have contacted Transports Québec regarding the issue, and they have initially responded but have not yet responded in full. You can see the content of those communications at http://commons.wikimedia.org/User:Durin-en/Text_to_Government_Qu%C3%A9bec. --] 20:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
	* Thank you! i understand now. :) <span style="border: 2px solid #330000; text-align:center; background: #C0C0C0; text-color: #DDDDDD; link: #A0522D; vlink: #000000"> ''']''' • ] • ]'''</span> 21:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
	:*You're quite welcome! --] 21:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

	==~~Percy~~ ~~Norton~~ ~~talk~~==		== :-o No! ==
	I can't seem to post on the Percy Nobby Norton talk page, must be a glitch. Anyhow, I scanned this article about Percy Nobby Norton from the State paper just yesterday. Sorry about the low quality. See it at . --] 17:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
	*It's so poor resolution that all that can be made out is the headline. Nothing can be derived from this except that somebody named Percy got $500k. --] 20:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

			I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. ''Please'' come back!. See also: ]--] 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
	==about the picture in the Destiny's Child article===
	this image has no copyright it is not from any performances, video clips, music photoart or promotional pic (like single or album cover), candids, magazine photoshoot<br>
	it is from an public domain, shot by an fan during Beyonce's birthday party<br>
	the site is an fan-based site, it is not trustful at all, it is just source,<br>
	the way that is showed there resembles like they are the owner of this picture, what does not happen in fact

			== astroview120mm userboxes ==
	→] 23:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)←

			A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up.
	++add
			] 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

			==Come back==
	here you can find the copyrighted pics of this party, shot by the media press
			I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back...
	<br>http://www.beyoncephotos.net/thumbnails.php?album=421 →] 23:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)←
	*Then please identify the exact source of this image rather than just specifying a large website. There's no ready way to positively verify the copyright status of the image without this. --] 03:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

			] ] 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
	==iTunes==
	I'm rather confused as to why ] was deleted. A similar image, ] is the exact replica of the image with different colours. ] was the former Apple iTunes logo. You say it falls under the ] but from what I've read it's legal.

			== Templating the regulars ==
	"There are a few categories of copyrighted images where use on Misplaced Pages has been generally approved as likely being fair use when done in good faith in Misplaced Pages articles involving critical commentary and analysis. Such general approval must be seen in the light of whether a free image could replace the copyright image instead.
	:'''Team and corporate logos'''. For identification. See ]."

			{{{icon\|] }}}Please do not withdraw from ]. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's ] policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the . Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-npov2 adapted by-->----] 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
	If ] is legal for those reasons, wouldn't ] have been legal also? Furthermore its use in userboxes stated under Misplaced Pages's logo policy would satisfy:
			:Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
	:Generally, logos should be used only when the logo is reasonably familiar (or when the logo itself is of interest for design or ''artistic reasons''). - '''it is'''
			:Agreed. Your departure may be part of a ]... sigh -- '']']'' 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
	:Logos should not generally be used in contexts which are, taken as a whole, strongly negative. In an article about what the logo rerepresents (the company or whatever) or an article discussing the visual style of the creator of the logo or its history and evolution are fine. Within the article, the real logo should generally be used near the introductory paragraph, adjacent to text which is simply descriptive and which presents a clearly neutral point of view. People tend to recognize logos quickly, so a placement at the start helps the logo to do its job and confirm that people have arrived at the right article. This does not mean that we should censor the article - only that we place the logo near neutral text, not in the middle of long negative pasages. - '''it's not'''
	:Defaced logos or logo parodies should be used with care and not given undue prominence. For example, parodies of logos may be carefully used under fair use in an article about a parody site or campaign. - '''it's not'''
	:When uploading a logo, whether current or historical, include the {{tl\|logo}} template message in the image description - '''pretty sure it was, and could have been chagned'''
	:Reasonable diligence should be taken to ensure that the logo is accurate and has a high-quality appearance. Common sense says that a logo displayed prominently on the logo owner's own website should be OK to use, because it represents their wishes about how the logo is presented on computer screens at typical screen resolutions. Avoid resizing a logo—try to find one that is a suitable size. Do not use a resized logo if it doesn't look good. Overly high-resolution versions of logos should be avoided, however, as they are less likely to be fair use. - '''it was'''
	:Where possible, logos should be uploaded in PNG format. JPEG format should not be used as it is lossy and results in a less professional appearance. - '''it was'''
	:Usually, the current logo should be the logo presented. When a historical logo is used, the caption should indicate this. - '''] was the historical logo to ].'''

			== I miss Durin ==
	The list goes on and the logo satisfies all of them. For all the reasons ] was kept I don't see why ] was deleted. Thanks for your time. ]] 20:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
	*I was not aware the deleted image was an out of date logo for the operation. I deleted it on the grounds that it was a lower quality replica of the undeleted image, under ] criteria #1. If you intend on using the historical logo in the article on ], then feel free to re-upload it and use it on that article. As for removing them from userboxes, the use of fair use images in userboxes is strictly prohibited. Please see ] item #9. Fair use images are not to be used outside of the main article namespace. This includes userboxes, other templates, or userpages. If you have any questions about this, please feel free to ask. Also, note that you do not have to do "<nowiki><nowiki>]</nowiki></nowiki>. If instead you use "<nowiki>]</nowiki>" it provides a link to the image without transcluding the image. Thanks, --] 20:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

			Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — ''']''' <sup>\|''' ]'''</sup> \| 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
	::Thanks for the image link tip. I'll be sure to remember it in the future. I see about #9 in ]. I am looking for a way to create a an iTunes userbox. Other program userboxes such as Google, Gmail, Mozilla Firefox, and Adobe have used screen shots, cleverly used multicoloured text etc. I am not very familiar with the free use policy. Would I be able to use in my userbox:
	::#a self taken screen shot of the program?
	::#screen shot of the iTunes program header?
	::#create multicoloured text using the iTunes colour palette?
	::#take a screen shot of my playlist?
	::#create an image that has "iTunes" in it?
	::Thanks for your time.<BR>
	::]] 20:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
	::*Responding as re-numbered: 1) No. 2) No. 3) Maybe. 4) No. 5) Maybe. With 3 and 5, it is possible to recreate logos of some companies, such as Google, with colored text. This is no less infringing on a company's rights than an image that does the exact same thing. Thus, if your creation is close to the actual iTunes log, you're infringing on their rights. --] 20:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

	== ~~Norton~~ ==		==Durin, we'll miss you==
			He might have been a little bossy but he was a great ] and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the ]. And I hope that by you reading this message <nowiki></nowiki><sup>sniffle</sup><nowiki></nowiki>, you'll come back!--] 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

			== You did the right thing ==
	No, look. I'm the one who deleted the "Nobby Norton" mess in the first place. Trust me. This is... this is an entirely new article. I was as stunned as anyone to see that there was a legitimate article buried in all that crap.
			I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too.

			It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
	It has actual verifiable reliable sources.

			Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck.
	I have no idea why Enknowed was creating garbage as recently as two days ago when he could have created a genuine version.

			P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	I don't want to do a Wheel War or anything, so I'm not going to be the one to recreate it. But go look at the content. ] 14:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
	*I read the content before when I removed a fair use image off the article prior to its move to mainspace. I am still unconvinced. There definitely was a hoax article initially, and it was properly deleted. Subsequent attempts have been speaking almost interchangeable of a garageband of the name and of this early 20th century person. I am very certain the garage band does not meet our notability criteria. As for the person, I am skeptical. My position can certainly change on this, but what I see is a person who shared authorship with Tranter on a couple of <10 page articles in a magazine of uncertain distribution and popularity. Further, Norton didn't actually write the song. He picked it up from others; he was just passing it on (, search 'Norton'). The last two cites in the article I deleted do not even mention Norton. Did this person exist? Sure. No question. Is he notable enough for inclusion? I'm hard pressed to believe that.
	*If we are going to include this biography, then there should be a unification effort of the different salted pages. Before that, I think there should be another attempt at deletion review with a much better written and sourced article than we currently have available to us in deleted histories. As is, with so much vandalism and incivility by the proponents of this person, it's unlikely to pass another attempt at deletion review. What do you think? --] 14:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
	*PS: I'm voting you for ArbCom! ;)

	== ~~Arbcom~~ ==		== Codelyoko193 ==

			I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, ] <sub>]</sub> 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
	You ''do'' realize that if I'm elected to ArbCom, my first act will be to indefinitely block everyone who voted for me, right? ] 14:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
	* :) Yes, I was there on the channel :) That's why I said the above :) --] 14:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

			:It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... '''Thanks''', ] <sub>]</sub>] 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
	== Template:Trump Empire ==

			== Who knew? ==
	My apologies for reversing your edit. I had thought I had saved a wrong version or something until I noticed the picture disappear a second time. I suppose that putting ] in ] would be equally as wrong. ] 20:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
	*No worries. Yes, that image is a fair use image too so it can not be used on that template. --] 13:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

			Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, <small>'']''</small>''']''' 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
	==Unblock requested==
			:''P.S.'', I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke.
	By ]. Just thought you ought to know - not that I would unblock these vandals. ] 09:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
	*Thanks for the heads up. I responded on the IP's talk page. --] 13:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Thanks ==
	Thanks for correcting (by deleting) my 'unfair' (;-)) use of ''fair use'' images. I was going on the incorrect assumption that if I found it on Misplaced Pages .... I shall try to be guided by the info on the image page in the future. That information appears to have been clear enough in the case of the images you deleted from my userpage today. Whatever I think of the copyright law, I do respect and support Misplaced Pages's stated reasons for staying well within it. And I do consider your attention a valuable service. I wouldn't like to see Misplaced Pages added to my picture list of martyrs. Please do revisit my page to make sure my other and future edits are within policy. (Especially since I have no intention of studying copyright law or reading all the rules and regulations before I edit. Were I to be willing to do that, I'm sure I could find more remunerative activities than editing here. :-) ) '']'' (] ]) 23:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
	*Ha! Indeed :) You're welcome, and thanks for the nice response! Too often I get vitriolic responses instead. --] 00:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
	**Thanks also for the clear edit summary pointing to clear explanations of the problem and policy. In the past I have had some of my new categories iced by bots without '''any''' explanation. That was ''bummer'' and quite irritating. Your edit summary was most welcome. Thanks. '']'' (] ]) 04:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Quality Increase ==

			==Husnock==
	I have increased the quality of the article of Percy Nobby Norton see the page I posted below. Sorry. --] 13:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
	*] has made two contributions and you posted no link or made edits to any Norton article in those two edits. Perhaps you meant a sockpuppet of yours? --] 16:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

			Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. ] ] 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
	*This is probably a sockpuppet of Bpazolli and the link is . ] 16:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	**I surmised as much. The article reads as a spoof. Hardly evidence of notability. --] 16:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

	== ~~WTC7~~ ==		== Shhh... ==
	Why cannot people see the collapse videos of WTC 7? Whats soo wrong with that? {{unsigned\|68.37.200.90\|00:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)}}
	*As noted on your talk page, there was a lengthy discussion about the subject on the article's talk page. The decision was not to allow the videos, or any other material, from wtc7.net to be linked. --] 02:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	**So you will not have a problem with the videos of links directly linked from somewhere else according to your previous statement would you? {{unsigned\|67.81.210.78\| 04:00, 8 November 2006(UTC)}}
	***I strongly suggest you read the talk page of the article and its archives to gain an understanding of the underlying issues surrounding what you propose. The same videos simply hosted on another site are going to result in the same removal. --] 05:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	****So you would remove any WTC7 collapse video from any source including a news source correct? {{unsigned\|68.37.200.90\|13:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)}}
	*****First, please sign your comments. You can do so by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> on the end of your comments or alternatively clicking the signature button near the middle of the buttons above the editing window.
	*****Second, I did not indicate that ''any'' video is not acceptable. I said the ''same'' videos hosted on another site have the same problematic nature. I again strongly encourage you to read the talk page and archives of it of the article. --] 15:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

			<small>Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --] 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small>
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	== Starblind ==
	Just your best friend Starblind here. I think maybe we should unblock Percy Nobby Norton. I would do it now but I have to go. Why don't you help me out and unblock it for me. Thanks. ] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 00:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
	*No, for reasons you are already aware of. --] 15:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	==RE:Cleaned up Image:Marine 69-71.jpg==
	Thank you Durin for cleaning up my image. It's a good a good thing that I'm not a politician, those guys images are impossible to clean up (smile). I see you've been very busy lately with the images. Good job. ] 15:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	*You're welcome :) --] 15:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	== ~~slave~~ ~~driver~~ ==		== Long ago comments ==

			Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. ] 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
	* Anything else to comment on ]? -- '']']'' 20:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	:*Not at this time. That's a hard whip you're using :) --] 21:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	::], too. ;) Thanks. -- '']']'' 23:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Edit graph. ==

			==List of Misplaced Pages editors by edit count==
	Hi, I was wondering if you could update :) I'd also like a graph in commons meta and etc :D --<small>] ]</small> 20:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	*It may be several days. --] 13:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

			Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is...
	==Advice sought==

			Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...] 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
	Hello Durin.
			*I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --] 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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	This spring, I uploaded the coat of arms of Dalhousie University ] and unwittingly gave it the wrong licensing tag. You noted that my use of the arms in a userbox was inappropriate. I thought that an easy way to overcome the intellectual property rights problem would be for me to simplify and abstract the image. You then, however, determined that this was a derivative work (which of course it was) and flagged it for deletion. I must say I was a little miffed at the time because the case law on derivative work is far more lenient here in Canada than it is in the U.S. Still, it was only for a userbox, and user pages are certainly '''not''' what the Misplaced Pages is for.
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	Nevertheless, I did incorrectly tag the image's license. The design of the coat of arms in question was granted in 1818 and it's been in the public domain for donkey's years. Moreover, even the artwork that constitutes the arms as they're now used by Dalhousie dates from 1950; therefore it, too, is now in the public domain.
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			== Still here? ==


			You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-] 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
	Trouble is, I don't know how to correct the licensing tag for this image. '''Is there some way this could be done?''' I would appreciate your advice.
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	Sincerely, --] 04:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
	*You're not going to like my answer :) You make a comment regarding a difference between the design of the ] and its visual depiction (or ]). A coat of arms may be a thousand years old, but the blazon from that coat of arms may have been made yesterday. We're concerned with the copyright status of the blazon, and not the coat of arms in most cases.
	*You note that the coat of arms dates from 1818, and the blazon dates from 1950. That gives us a date to work with. Unfortunately, 1950 is probably not old enough. Our public domain tags (see ]) have tags for old images. However, the one based on the age of the work, not the author, is for works pubblished prior to 1923. Thus, we become concerned with when the ''author'' of the work died. But, in order for it to be straight into PD, the author would have had to have died before s/he made it. Thus, barring a release of rights of the image, we have to assume it's not public domain.
	*In the vast majority of cases where a copyrighted image is used improperly on Misplaced Pages, it is highly unlikely that the copyright holder would sue Misplaced Pages. Nevertheless, we can not work from this perspective because eventually we will be wrong. The price of being wrong is potentially very high; it could sink Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages does and must work from the perspective that all copyright holders are interested in protecting their rights unless we have positive, provable confirmation they have released their rights. Looking at Dalhousie's copyright statement (http://copyrightoffice.dal.ca/cancopym.html), I'm not readily seeing anything that releases rights to the image in question.
	*I recommend that you contact Jo-Ann Riggs, Dalhousie's Copyright Officer at the Dalhousie University Copyright Office. Contact info: Killam Library, Main Floor - Administration Office - Telephone: 494-6685 Fax: 494-2062 E-mail: jriggs@dal.ca. In contacting them, it is important to make it clear what you are asking for; Misplaced Pages does not accept permission only images. We have two broad categories here, either fair use images or images under a free license (such as {{tl\|PD-self}} or {{tl\|GFDL}}). If Dalhousie grants us permission to use the image on Misplaced Pages, it would still be used here under a claim of fair use. To aid in writing such a letter to them, please have a look at ]. You may be surprised at the response you get; I recently contacted Transports Quebec, a branch of Government Quebec to gain release of highway signage created by them. It took more than a week, but they responded and released the images.
	*I hope this helps! I really appreciate you contacting me and your willingness to work towards an amicable solution. If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer. --] 13:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
	**''Thank you for your prompt & detailed reply. When time permits I'll contact Jo-Ann Riggs and see if I can get the ball rolling. Cheers,'' --] 14:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

	== ~~Jim Hoyl~~ ==		== :-) ==

			Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --] 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
	Hi, I saw the edit you just did for me. Question -- How can I edit the actual page name. I created page "Jim hoyl", but wanted to create page "Jim Hoyl"... ?

			* "''Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate''" - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --] 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
	ACTUALLY... I found a way to fix it using "move", but it now is automatically re-directed from the misspelled entry. Can't the original (mistake) just be removed/replaced with the correction?
	*I fixed it. --] 00:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

	== ~~Lake~~ ~~Lemon~~ ~~edit~~ ==		== New York Yankees logo ==

			I've started a discussion about this at ] - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged ]. —] 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
	I made a change to the ] page yesterday, changing the IU Men's Rowing Club to just the IU Rowing Club. I'm the coach of this club, and women who are ineligible to join the varsity team are allowed to (and have) joined the club team. So, if you would kindly unrevert the page from your previous version, it would be appreciated. {{unsigned\|Climis\|22:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)}}
	*I'd be happy to. Please understand; edits from a brand new user account which have no edit summary and simply delete content, even if minor, are usually regarded as vandalism. Vandalism is a constant theme on Misplaced Pages. No edit summary edits that delete content are virtually always vandalism. Further, I have some familiarity with the club team, and was under that (as I understand now) false impression it was limited to men. I worked with one of the members of the club team ~4 years ago. In the future, please leave an edit summary to your edits. Also, when you leave a message on someone's talk page, please add "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" to the end of it, as this will sign the message for you. --] 03:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
	**Sorry. I'm new at this. But i've read the stuff you linked me too and learned...i hope. Also, the club 4 years ago dissolved and reformed this year. We're looking to find past members, so perhaps you could put your friend in touch with me? Especially if he's still in the Bloomington area. ---] 20:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
	***Sorry, he's moved to the pac-northwest. His name was Josh. Tall guy. --] 20:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
	==Request==

			== Omma miss ya ==
	I really liked the clean-up that you did on my image. I was wondering if whenever you have the time if you could take a look at this image ] and maybe fix it up. That's the Marine (Me) and his wife thirty four years ago (smile). Cheers! ] 01:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
	*I applied some standard techniques to it, but did not get anything that was significantly better quality. With the other image I did, it was mainly about color balance; the color information was there in the picture, but it was badly muted. This image is black & white, and the contrast/brightness is not bad. There's lots of imperfections in the photo that I can't do much with unless I spent a few hours deep in Photoshop. Sorry :( --] 03:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
	*P.S. The wife is perfect. The imperfections in the photo are all on your side of the image ;)

	~~Thanks,~~ I ~~told~~ my ~~wife~~ ~~what~~ ~~you~~ ~~said~~ ~~and~~ ~~she~~ ~~agreed~~ ~~(smile)~~. ] 23:22, 15 ~~November~~ ~~2006~~ (UTC)		You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( ] (]) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
			*Thank you! --] (]) 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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			Are you still around? If yes, could you please review the apparently non-free images in the article ]. I'm talking at the black and white pictures in the ''clearance'' section. I'm not sure about what policy covers these or where to go to have them reviewed. --] (]) 17:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

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	Could you please check the copyright status on this image ]? Thanks. ] 23:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
			I just came to visit my old friend, Durin, to find out that he quit Misplaced Pages! I'm sad, because although the first time I met you on Misplaced Pages, I thought you were unfriendly for removing my images, I got to know you, and you're a really nice guy. I hope you decide to join Misplaced Pages again. Cheers always. :) --]]] 17:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
	*Not much to check. The site has a copyright notice, the image is on their site. --] 20:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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			has been ] to you (now live for non-admins), as an encouragement to edit here more ;). ] 19:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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	We had 25 reports at AIV. I didn't really appreciate joke reports while I trying to clear such a huge backlog. I blocked so I could go look at what was going on when the backlog was cleared. -- ] 15:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	*I've placed a message on his talk page. I know it seems like a joke report; just trying to clarify what was happening. Perhaps a better course of action would have been to remove the AIV report and ask him on his talk page what he was doing. --] 15:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	::I think it's fair to say, from my scan of his recent contribs, the user feels down right now, and probably does indeed need some time to cool off. A nice talk to the user might be warranted here, make him feel better. – ]] 15:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	::Normally, I would probably have done that. But as I said, I was wading through a huge backlog at AIV. I'm gonna go look at his contribs in more detail now. -- ] 15:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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	I was looking on an image to see if I was the only user page who the image was linked to. I was not the only user; and therefore I clicked on the other user, who was ]. It is not only a bad and innapropriate username, but it is a clear sockpuppet and threat to my page. It even says my <nowiki>{{user2\|Wikipediaman123}}</nowiki> on it, not his or her's, but mine. Wikipediaman123. The header, signature, (most from first glance) were at the location that exactly of my userpage, just not created. It says User:Deadbath/(MYSUBPAGE) rather than User:Wikipediaman123/(SUBPAGE). It is unusual and serious, I will convict him of a sockpuppet. Thus it is not the exact duplicate, it is the same with some missing features. Please write to me on my talk page in order for me to remember to handle and see the progression of the page, if okay, but if you ask for it to be on this one, that is fine. You will get a peek at my signature subpage below:<br>''- ] 23:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC) ''<br><nowiki>{{User:Wikipediaman123/Signature}}:(Right here)</nowiki>{{User:Wikipediaman123/Signature}}
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	I removed your post because I don't believe it will help the situation. Please step away from it for 24 hours and don't post about it for at least that long unless to provide specific content details. I believe it has a good chance of getting handled from a content standpoint and that your post will only serve to inflame the situation and keep the issue focused on the wrong thing. People have already stated that they agreed with your initial handling of the situation, you don't need to rub it in. People have also stepped in willing to work out a solution, and again, that's all that's really needed. - ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 16:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	*I will gladly consent to this. However, the problem here is that ] continues to ratchet up the assault. I was thoroughly alarmed that today he has ratcheted it up to include accusations that I slandered him. This isn't just flirting with ]. If he continues the ratcheting, the next step from a legal threat is legal action. I now stand on the verge of being personally, off-wiki, threatened if he continues his onslaught. This is intolerable. '''''Somebody''''' needs to reign him in and get him to back off on the rhetoric and the constant, continual ratcheting up of the situation. I tried to remain calm and cool under fire while an agreement was hammered out. It was. But, subsequent to that he has continued his relentless attacks. How much am I supposed to put up with? Will I have to be in a court of law as defense from him before someone here says enough is enough? Where's the line? Hmm? Where? I've had it. My patience is shot and I refuse to consider the possibility of having to legally defend myself against him. He's now accusing me of revealing personal information about him in the real world (see ] item #9). Where does it stop? There's no sign of it ending. If I can't be permitted to defend myself here, then somebody else had better see to it. If nobody does, what choice do I have? I am quite happy to let this drop at the agreement of having Zscout370 mediate. He obviously isn't. This needs to stop. now. Now. NOW. --] 17:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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R E T I R E D]
Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at User:Durin/Departure.

Sorry

I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. Lra drama 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:-(

Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :(

Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --Iamunknown 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ElinorD (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( Majorly (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --Ali'i 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone still has to do the job. Majorly (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --Ali'i 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. The bastards won. I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --Durin 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. Lra drama 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

- :-o Un-fucking-believable. --Ali'i 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lra drama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. Pascal.Tesson 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. Pete.Hurd 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, You Can 't Review Me!!! 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Not right

This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the whois information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --Aude (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --Aude (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --Durin 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --Iamunknown 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Come say hello. Nick 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... Pascal.Tesson 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. DS 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. Seraphim 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — Moe ε 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. Seraphim 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? Meteoguy 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Sigh

This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. Corvus cornix 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:-o No!

I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. Please come back!. See also: User:Pheonix15/Useful links/Retired Wikipedians--Pheonix15 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

astroview120mm userboxes

A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. Astroview120mm 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Come back

I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back...

Seraphim 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Templating the regulars

Please do not withdraw from building the encyclopedia. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's don't let the bastards grind you down policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the secret channel. Thank you.----John 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. Seraphimblade 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Your departure may be part of a virtuous (or vicious) circle... *sigh* -- nae'blis 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I miss Durin

Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — pd_THOR | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Durin, we'll miss you

He might have been a little bossy but he was a great wikipedian and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the bad word. And I hope that by you reading this message **, you'll come back!--Angel David 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

You did the right thing

I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too.

It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck.

P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.37.211 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Codelyoko193

I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk Contributions 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Who knew?

Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, IT'S DA...Ανέκδοτο 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S., I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke.

Husnock

Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. Neil ☎ 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Shhh...

Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Long ago comments

Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. Carcharoth 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Misplaced Pages editors by edit count

Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is...

Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...Ryoung122 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --Durin 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Demologoimage.gif)

{{not orphan}}? — pd_THOR | 18:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Still here?

You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-130.216.30.233 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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:-)

Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --Iamunknown 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate" (diff) - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --Iamunknown 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

New York Yankees logo

I've started a discussion about this at WP:MCQ#New York Yankees logo - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged Image:Crossed_N_and_Y.jpg. —Random832 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Omma miss ya

You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( Vael Victus (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! --Durin (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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You're invited! Underrepresented Artists of Indiana editathon on Oct. 11

Upcoming Indianapolis event - October 11, 2023: Indiana Under-represented Artists Edit-a-thon
Herron School of Art and Design	You are invited to Herron Art Library in Herron School of Art & Design for an Under-represented Artists of Indiana Edit-a-thon—hosted by the Wikimedians of Indiana User Group with support from the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Together, new and experienced Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on under-represented Indiana based artists and art/artist organizations and groups in Indiana today, and historically. When: Wednesday October 11, 2023 11:30 am - 2:00 pm Eastern Where: Herron Art Library in Herron School of Art & Design 735 W. New York St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 Parking: Please park in lot 88 - the visitor parking area in the garage across the surface lot from Herron. We will have parking vouchers available. What to bring: Your preferred editing device and necessary charging cables, and any material you may want to reference. Lunch and refreshments will be provided. All levels of experience are welcome! Please RSVP so we know who is coming. We hope you'll join us! We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians of Indiana User Group

Upcoming Indianapolis event - October 11, 2023: Indiana Under-represented Artists Edit-a-thon

You are invited to Herron Art Library in Herron School of Art & Design for an Under-represented Artists of Indiana Edit-a-thon—hosted by the Wikimedians of Indiana User Group with support from the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Together, new and experienced Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on under-represented Indiana based artists and art/artist organizations and groups in Indiana today, and historically.

When: Wednesday October 11, 2023 11:30 am - 2:00 pm Eastern
Where: Herron Art Library in Herron School of Art & Design 735 W. New York St. Indianapolis, IN 46202
Parking: Please park in lot 88 - the visitor parking area in the garage across the surface lot from Herron. We will have parking vouchers available.
What to bring: Your preferred editing device and necessary charging cables, and any material you may want to reference. Lunch and refreshments will be provided.

All levels of experience are welcome! Please RSVP so we know who is coming. We hope you'll join us!

We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians of Indiana User Group

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