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can you please explain to me why i cannot create an artical on the hollywood undead? if the fact that so many people keep trying create the artical doesnt mean its notable, i dont know what does. hollywood undead is the archtype of how myspace made it so that a band can truely be an overnight success.] 23:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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Since you were the user who welcomed me here, I was wondering if you could provide me some assisstance? The trouble is that some users find the content on my userpage "offensive" and have been pressuring me to censor it, despite the fact that I have posted a disclaimer on the page to the effect that my views do not reflect those of Misplaced Pages. I have no problems with agreeing to their demands, but the problem is that, as I have pointed out, other users are allowed to have much more offensive content (such as "This user is anti-American", "This user believes George Bush is a neo-Fascist", "This user supports the Nazis", "Who are you calling an illegal immigrant pilgrim") on their userpages. My repeated protests againt being singled out in this manner have fallen on deaf ears. Would you please have a look at the and share your thoughts with me? Thanks. ] 10:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


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...for your support during my recent RfA. Your vote of confidence is especially meaningful since I have been a fan of your work since joining the project. If you need another admin hand at working with various articles of Nat'l Forest, Parks, etc. or just need a pair of fresh eyes to review an article, do not hesitate to ask. Cheers. ] <small>(])</small> 16:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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== Dysgenics‎ ==


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I wonder if you'd be kind enough to put ] on your watchlist, please? I tagged it noncompliant and listed some of my concerns on its talk page. However, other editors have tagged it npov, and that tag has been removed at least twice. --] ] 06:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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:Should the article be protected until the issues are resolved?--] 06:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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::It's hard to say. So far, at least one editor seems willing to talk. ] ] 14:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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I saw ] for the first time a day or so ago. ] 21:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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:It's pretty average these days, but the jokes then were deliberately tailored to mock racism and well, Mongo was, for his brief few minutes in the picture, one of the highlights. I met ], the former NFL player who played the part of Mongo in that film. He's actually shorter than I am, but a lot wider.--] 22:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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::Until I put it in a few minutes ago, ] had no picture of him. ] 22:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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::Blazing Saddles is on the short list of movies that had scenes I laughed so hard at that I almost hurt myself. The movie as a whole might be pretty average, but a few of these scenes were hilarious—like where Mongo knocks out the horse. —]&nbsp;<sup>]'''•''']</sup> 22:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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:::Good job on the image Anomo...if it was free use, I'd tack it on my userpage...thanks. And the part in the movie I like the most is where the entire town is terrified of this Mongo character and the new sheriff asks Gene Wilder who Mongo is and Gene replies something like "Mongo is more of a ''what'', than a ''who''.--] 22:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


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==Elk==
What's going on here? No discussion in advance? Can you explain your intentions, and let's work together to make it make sense. See ]. ] 08:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks for the reply and clarification. But please see my further comments on ] and ]. I'm quite happy to discuss it. I disagree that the clear primary meaning of "elk" is ''C. canadensis''. I also think you have slipped up in not discussing this move with elk people as well as red deer people! I really do think that ] should be the disambig page, not a page devoted to one interpretation of the word. But don't worry - I'm not going to get involved in an edit war. I believe in discussing things with all interested parties before making such changes. ] 08:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for being so responsive - and apologies for the tone of some of my earlier contributions to the debate! I am delighted with the end result. Yes, the name of the new article is a bit cumbersome, but it is at least crystal-clear and unambiguous, and I think even the least mammal-literate wikipedia user will now understand what an "elk" is in all its shades of meaning - I think there was a serious danger of confusion the way you were heading. Incidentally, the photo of an Elk (or should I say "Elk"?) at ] is so utterly unlike a European ] that it seems "obvious" ;-) that it's a different species! ] 09:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


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I'd love some feedback from you if you can spare the time. If you choose not to participate, thanks too. ] 02:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


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==Peer review needed==
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Aside from working on 9/11 articles, I am working on ] topics which is an area that Misplaced Pages sorely lacks. Last weekend, I discovered there was no article on "Gun violence", so started one. Most of the research literature pertains to the United States, so the article has become ]. Obviously, people have strong POV on this topic, and I'm perhaps entering a minefield here. To try and rise above politics, I have only included the highest quality reliable sources (most are from peer reviewed, scholarly journals). Personally, I really don't have a POV on this. The article basically presents the current state of research on this topic, and I think is close to featured status (if POV pushing can be kept out of the article). Nonetheless, someone has already come along and place a neutrality tag on the article. I could really use some peer review on the article, at this point. Do you at all agree with the person who placed the neutrality tag? Do you have any suggestions on improving the article or making it more NPOV? are there aspects of the topic that are missing? Any help would be appreciated. --] <small>(])</small> 01:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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(copied from my talk page)
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Thanks everyone. Although some of the opposition was dissapointing, I was also really encouraged by the constructive criticism, particularly the very engaged and positive give and take you gave me, MONGO. I can't recall seeing such a constructive or engaged oppose to a RFA in the last year; it gave both of us a chance to revisit some conflict in a much more positive light, and I certainly learned something both about how I was seen and came across, and hopefully it helped clarify in your mind where I'd been coming from. It would have been so easy for you to just oppose and walk away; you didn't, and that was a real class act.
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I pinged Lar about doing something on enwiki along the lines of the meatball wiki "Defend each other" and I'd like to invite you to discuss it.
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I am certainly not ultimately discouraged; I got supports from a lot of people I respect a lot, and some I didn't think would support me. I learned a lot from the opposes and they give me some stuff to work on as it were.
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I'll send out the usual cute thank yous when my bandwidth allows, but I wanted to make sure I did something more personal first for some of the particularly valuable participants in the discussion. Again, thanks. ] 09:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:You shouldn't be discouraged. Being an admin doesn't make you "part of the team" or "better" than anyone else. Give it a few months and try again. I am always open to any criticism one might have and never expect editors to back me up no matter what. Le tme know what you come up with on the meatball thing, but I don't think we need a guideline or certainly not a policy on this. Maybe you're just too nice? Maybe it is a natural inclination for you to protect what may on the surface appear to be the underdog? Regardless, I know you have the project's improvement at the forefront of your desires and that's the most important thing.--] 12:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:: I wasn't thinking guideline or policy on "Defend each other", but it would make a good essay. It's just a good idea... Thanks. ] 19:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


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==A question about dysgenics ==
Hello Mongo. I noticed you seem to be on some sort of crusade against ], both in the eponym article and in others which refer to the term. I also seem to understand it stems from your feeling that dysgenics is more of a pseudoscience than anything else. On this, we totally agree. However, the term is still used here and there, and removing it from every article in the encyclopedia that carries it doesn't seem to me like the best solution. Rephrasing references to it by saying people use this term to describe some sort of revers eugenic effect without implying in any way shape or form that it is a legitimate science would, IMHO be a much better way. The way I look at it, I agree it's a pseudoscience, but as a concept (that somehow, selection conditions favor what is perceived as a weakening of the gene pool) is a legitimate concept, if not legitimate science: who is to tell that proper evolution has to go one way (e.g. humans always increasing in intelligence) rather than the opposite way? I don't think we can be the judges of where evolution should lead. However, this does not change the fact that some people think they can. Well, I'll stop from miring myself any deeper in philosophical considerations, but I'd urge you to reconsider your campaign to remove the word "dysgenics" from the encyclopedia. As I tried to explain, I feel there are better ways to address the problem. Please feel free to drop me a note if you wish. Good day!--] 14:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


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:(edit conflict) Inclusion of a "blatant vandal" warning (or any warning) on MONGO's talk page is not an appropriate way to address your concern about usage of a disputed term. At least two highly respected administrators have already removed it. I am not an admin but I agree with them that this is not a proper use of the warning template. The title of this thread, though I haven't changed it, is also uncivil. I strongly suggest that if you are going to pursue this issue you do so in an entirely different fashion. ] 21:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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::Fine, after re-reading the vandalism page, I gladly concede the point. Sorry if I misinterpreted the exact meaning of vandalism. I apologize to all concerned for the trouble I caused, but I would like to stress to User Mongo to please re-read the comment in the section immediately preceding this one. I truly believe these edits were misguided. I am open to discussion.--] 21:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, a better understanding about what is and what isn't vandalism will help you ensure you don't make a further editing error which may cost you your rights to further editing opportunities. I'll discuss my changes on the talk page at dysgenics, but my time right now is limited.--] 21:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


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I opened an RfC regarding ], it is located at ] and would appreciate you comments if you have any. This message is being posted to anyone's talk page who it seems has had much contact with the user in question. --]<s>]</s> 22:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Glad I have other things to worry about than this website as some folks are hell bent on making it a completely unfun place to be. Nice job ]...you succeeded in getting the articles redirected yet I see the page they redirect to have no further information...only empty headers. The purpose of a stub is so myself or anyone can come along and work to expand it...bandwidth is cheap so deletion is just plain stupid. This is why we have stub tags.--] (]) 11:16, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please dont save bad edits like you altered the picture sizes in and it caused them to clip the text (in the geology section). Oversized picture settings causes photos to cascade. I managed to but for some reason you decided to revert it.


The article is already cluttered enough and it's partially due to over sized pictures. (yeah, I know every wants their prized shot to stand out) If people want a better view they can click to enlarge each photograph.

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journals. These are all peer-reviewed. If it's not on the ISI list, it's probably not really credible. Australian universities, for example, don't receive credit for production of non-ISI journal articles.
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Books by university publishing houses. These are generally carefully reviewed, as the University reputation is on the line. Major universities are fairly obvious reliable sources. Full membership in Association of American University Presses should be a sufficient indicator of scholarly credibility. There are probably similar university press associations internationally.


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Books by serious academic publishers, for example: , , , , , , , . The unifying theme of such publishers is that they have a focus on scholarly work, and thus a reputation to lose for publishing bunk. These could be given as examples, though an exhaustive list is probably not possible. A test for fringe academic houses would be if their books, as a whole, are widely carried by university libraries.
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It would be tempting to allow ''individual'' non-fiction works if carried by several major university libraries. However, I think that's unsatisfactory, because universities may carry books because of notability, controversy, or interest rather than reliability. For example "Unfit for Command", absolutely riddled with falsehoods, is undoubtedly in most major libraries. ] 08:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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:Thanks Derex...I will look these over in the next day or so...I hope we can figure out a way to get RS to be policy, but lately have been very busy with many matters. I will do a better job of contributing to discussions there this coming week. This isn't going to be an easy task...but if we can reach some kind of agreement with all parties, I think it will be a real benefit to the wiki.--] 08:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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btw, , . alone, no big deal, but you know as well as i what the context is. you can bet plenty of emails were already enabled. ] 05:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh now, don't be jealous just because I have friends. I'll be your friend too if your feeling Left out in the cold. MD

At this point...I'm hoping that blogs and private websites that are under the editorial control of only a few or one webmaster can be better regulated. As far as published books, I doubt much can be done to determine what is and what isn't to be used as a reference base...but of course, in articles that deal with science, I think we could be more specific as to what constitutes a reliable source.--] 08:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:My opinion is that blogs is an easy case. They are simply not reliable, nor are private websites. They should only be cited for facts about themselves. Now, lots of news organizations ABC, MSNBC, WashPost, are starting "blogs". I think that's a different matter as "blog" is just a buzz-word for them, and the credibility of the news organization is on the line. Depends on whether it's a news- or an opinion-focused blog.

:An interesting example is the Killian documents case. It is an important part of the story that a blog started the investigation. However, most of the detailed 'evidence' in that article came off blog posts, lots & lots of it. The situation was that way for a year till I started looking into. Virtually all the claims didn't hold up to scrutiny. Now, I don't doubt that the documents were forged, but that was a real lesson in using blogs as sources because most of it was just flat false. Basically, if that stuff had posted directly to Misplaced Pages it would have been blatant OR, but some random person posting it on a blog first somehow made it OK.

:The harder part comes when dealing with media groups like Gannon's Talon news, CNS, CapitolHillBlue, or The Guardian which have histories of some dubious reporting, though they are superficially legitimate. I don't yet have a clear idea how to handle these. ] 02:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::IN the last examples you mentioned, I think, since they have not always been reliable, then maybe what we demand in these examples will be a secondary source that is as least if not more reliable than they are...more mainstream overall. This isn't going to be an easy task, but I think if policy can be written so it reduces the ambiguity as to what does and what does not constitute a RS, we'll at least be trying to establish higher standards.--] 04:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)



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Is it wikistalking when an editor goes around intentionally reverting your edits and only voting against you on AfDs where you have voted? Yes or no? And are admins supposed to put a stop to such things? Yes or no? --] 18:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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I answered the questions. One favor I'd ask is if you could reword your nom so as to avoid any chance of giving the impression that I'm in any way a part of Esperanza. Let me know when you are ready for it to go live. Thanks again, I do truly appreciate your trust, —]&nbsp;<sup>]'''•''']</sup> 20:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


== Keeping POV tag on to allow fair vote == == Online meet - November 12, 2024 ==

Hi Mongo. ] is at it again. Another Editor (not me) put a POV tag on the ] article. Spark has removed it twice, including once while a vote is on. IMHO it should be left on for at least 24hrs to allow people to look at it and vote. But I can't re-instate the tag any more per 3RR. Could you oblige, in the interests of fairness? ] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:I would try to hammer out all the issues on the talkpage if possible...I have no knowledge of this person, so I can't say whether the article is POV or not...it there an issue with ] that needs to be addressed?--] 05:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::MONGO, there are various BLP, NPOV and OR issues in proposed additions the article. For an interesting read, take a look at the edit history of said article, as well as ], especially ]. Other editors note why the addition of the POV tag was viewed as inappropriate in the first place. The last few comments in NBeale's ], as well as his contrib history, might give you a little more information. Many editors have been reverting him in that article and in ], and I'm getting to a point where I'm wondering if the constant addition of OR and POV can be considered disruptive enough to warrant a block. Thanks. ] 13:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Hi Mongo. Thanks for your reply to my query. The OR point is interesting and I'd very much welcome your guidance, and wider discussion of the query raised ]. Is there a way it could be tagged for comment? Many thanks ] 19:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

==Hey there==

Hey there. I just shot you an email about an article. Later - ] <small>]/]</small> 00:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Taken care of...and I responded via email, so let me know if that issue reappears.--] 06:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

==Re: Response to my third question==

True, though there are cases where the article(s) is(are) the center of attention. Sometimes an assessment of the article(s) at the center of a dispute is unavoidable. As well, conflicting policies may arise where a stand needs to be made as to which policy overrides. For example, if an article meets ] but fails ], and cannot meet it due to a lack of verifiable, reliably sourced balancing information, either for or against the subject, which policy would stand above the other?

Good luck in the election! :) ] <sub><small>( <font color="Red">]</font> <font color="Green">]</font> <font color="Blue">]</font> )</small></sub> 08:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== RfC ==

I have opened a request for comment at ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== Where's your bumper sticker? ==

You need a campaign manager apparently: see ]. —]&nbsp;<sup>]'''•''']</sup> 20:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think my campaign is without high likelihood of success...Maybe "vote for MONGO, or else he'll come terrorize your town" may be a great slogan though!--] 06:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Hey you never know. I recall you saying once that you were surprised you made it through RfA, so maybe you'll be surprised again. :-) —]&nbsp;<sup>]'''•''']</sup> 07:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

==I would prefer not to leave a Vandalism warning ==
But you might for It's his user page that was vandalized. --] 06:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:Since tbeatty is apparently so upset over a little playful fun between other users that didn't even concern him he must be opposed to any and all such stunts. Or not. Take a look tbeatty's own sock puppet - he created an entire sock puppet account ] ''Tbeatty's Super Friend Sock Puppet account'' solely to 'vandalize' my FAAFA page and taunt me. (did I run to an Admin?} Is it OK to create a sock just to play with another editor's page? Thanks - ] 07:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::That sock account, or whatever it is hasn't even edited anything aside from their userpsace and a comment on your talk page...which may have been a taunt...but that was three weeks ago...(two edits) since created on 10/31/06. Demonstrate how that account has vandalized anything you have done...--] 07:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Follow the links again. That was a sock puppet created by tbeatty - created specifically as a play off my user name, then he edited MY user space adding his new sock puppet user to a 'friends list' I once had. In other words the user complaining about MY actions (that I see as light hearted fun) did the same, and actually created a one-time sock puppet just for his prank. - ] 07:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::NOTE, I will take your advice and not play anymore lighthearted good natured pranks on other editors, unless I know they would welcome such actions though. - ] 07:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::All you editors should take the rest of the weekend off and go have some fun.--] 07:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I honestly considered my actions lighthearted goodnatured fun, just as I honestly believe that was tbeatty's motivation when he created a username spoofing mine, and 'vandalized' my friends list. Have a good weekend - ] 07:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

==] article dispute==
Hello. If you get a chance, could you please stop by the ] article and help resolve a dispute regarding proper ]. The relevant discussion is at ], and I am seeking third party opinions since another user and I seem to be at an impasse. I am sending this to all editors who have recently edited the article or its talk page. Thanks so much for your time,&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 17:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, the only edit I did there was to fix a link to a new article I split off, so not sure i can be of much help.--] 17:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::Fair enough, and sorry for troubling you. (I just didn't want to be accused of selectively ].) Have a good one! --&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 17:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

== An offer I <s>can't</s> didn't refuse ==

Does the ] still stand? I'm finding myself limited in some of the ways I can help the project, at present... -- '']']'' 23:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Accepted; thank you very much for the !vote of confidence. Only thing I was confused about in your nomination was the phrase "in keeping with this self evaluation..." - what self-evaluation? Do you mean ]? I don't think I linked to it from the RfA... -- '']']'' 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

== You're welcome and question... ==

...is it just me, or are there more bone-headed ideas, hypocritical RfC's, and rock-idiotic DRV's going on nowdays? --<font face="Verdana">]]]<small><sup>]|]</sup></small></font> 07:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

==Communism==
I like your suggestions on the communism talk page. I have to go online now, so I can't add the references and draft and post a reading list at the moment. If you remember, could you do me a little favor? I tend to be pretty forgetful. If I forget to do this in the next day or two, could you post a reminder on my user talk page? Thanks again! ] | ] 17:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:Yep...will do.--] 17:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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You are the third biggest to the ] with the most revisions! {{User:Sd31415/Sig}} 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:That doesn't include my 700 plus contributions to that article's talk page I don't think. Thanks!--] 06:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the quick fix! ==

Wow, I guess I should be by the attention. -- ] ] ] 20:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:Ditto. Looks like anyone who assisted Rjensen is getting hit. ] 20:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::What did Rjensen do?--] 20:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:::He was the first of the mil hist cluster I saw have pages blanked (18 times in 8 hours). After semiprotection and admin blocking of certain ip ranges for 48 hours, the vandal or vandals started blanking a number of user and user talk pages of people associated with unblanking Rjensen's pages (Jim Douglas, myself, others). Now that's my characterization of what's occured; I don't know what's true other than several users have been getting this weird blanking from multiple ip addresses, all within the last 31 hours or so. ] 03:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving ==

MONGO,

Well, barring some unforeseen train wreck, it looks like your RfA nomination of me just might squeak by. With Nae'blis looking like a possible ] unanimous addition, that give you a good batting average in RfA nominations. I'm going to be signing off for the evening soon and probably won't be back online until after it closes, so I just wanted to say thanks for the nomination and to wish you a '''Happy Thanksgiving!'''

If I'd known the RfA process was so much fun I probably would have accepted the first time you asked me if I was interested. I really mean that, it's not facetious—I suppose some people might have found this stressful, but for me it was simply stimulating and thought-provoking.

All the best, —]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 09:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. My RfA almost caught up with your ArbCom Q&A: 79K to 84K as of now. :-)
:Yeah...I was hoping I would have been grilled in more detail on my nom...I don't think the arbcom noms are monitored the way the admin noms are...a lot of people simply have no idea that the arbcom candidiates are available for questions. Happy Thanksgiving.--] 09:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Discussion request ==
I noticed your remarks on ]; I would appreciate it if you could take a look at ], and indicate if it accurately represents the way Misplaced Pages works (and feel free to reword it if it doesn't). Basically it states that AFD (etc) are not decided by vote count, and in general voting is discouraged (but not forbidden). Thanks. (]) 10:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:I am looking it over, may be busy for the next few days, but added a few ideas that can be reverted or altered as everyone sees fit. I am watchlisting the page and agree after looking over the editing history that discussion is the core and the vote is simply a way to gauge consensus, but even a supermajority can be defeated if policy is not followed by the arguemnts presented...I'll continue to tweak areas and you won't find me edit warring on anything there, so adjust or remove my work as seems appropriate.--] 16:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

==Admission of wikistalking?==
Somewhere in is, I believe, a thinly veiled reference to you. - ] 13:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe, maybe not...I'm not really concerned as I have always given myself a less than 50-50 chance of being promoted to arbcom. Though there has been some reform as of late, continued comments made by that editor are only marginally better in their delivery than when he was known under a different username and was for various reasons.--] 17:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:: I wouldn't even give him the "marginally better" qualification. I'm involved in a pointless ruckus with him now. ] 17:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Take the weekend off...life is too short to waste it dealing with the galactically inane.--] 17:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
<del>BTW, if you have a sec, and this link hasn't turned red already, please delete this for me: ]. I saved the content into the history of my personal sandbox, don't need the article anymore. ] 18:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)</del> Nevermind, another admin caught it. ] 19:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Happy Thanksgiving - a request ==

Happy Thanksgiving Mongo,

I asked the following of Ruthfulbarbarity, as he continually refers to me as 'Neocons':

''"Please refer to me by my handle FAAFA. People unfamiliar with my 'history' or my previous FULL user name could think that "Neocons" indicates an endorsement of Neoconservatism - which couldn't be further from the truth. Thanks for your cooperation...."''

My previous username here was NBGPWS, it was never anything else. RB insists on using a name that I never used on Wiki, that I consider insulting, and that could cause others to think I embrace Neoconservatives or 'ism'. I have asked him to stop to no avail. He seems to listen to you. Would you be so kind as to ask him to stop? Thanks in advance.

P.S. "galactically inane"??? I'm no Scientologist! - ] 22:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:It's a joke.--] 04:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

::It was also a 'joke' that you would have warned '''me''' over, if I had made it.

::Was this your fulfillment of the serious and important administorial request I made of you? ''"AAFA has asked he not be called a neocon...so I guess I ahev fulfilled my admin reqirement for the day...Happy Thanksgiving"'' I'm a little confused. I had already asked him to stop, and told you that. Was your comment an Admin request / warning advising / requesting him to stop? Did you perhaps email him with an administorial advisory?

::Congratulations on being the third most active editor - and having the most revisions '''ever''' on the Bush article. Truly an accolade-worthy extraordinary feat of almost superhuman effort and commitment! You must be '''very''' proud! - ] 06:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I looked over his talk page and he seems to have some complaints about you as well...when I see that sort of thing and only have one voice asking for my help, I usually just leave a comment. Is there evidence that either he or you have been more incivil than the other? I spent three months on the Bush article arguing about whether some passages about whether he should be referred to as a "Dry Drunk" were notable enough for inclusion...in the end, a minor majority felt it wasn't, but it is still available at the linked subarticle. I'm a lot more proud of my stubs and the few featured articles I have started or was the major player on.--] 06:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Inane. I wish wikipedia had an ignore button. Take your advice and take the weekend off with a full ignore. If he thinks it's so important, he can take is requests to ] and serve them the sarcastic platitudes with his whine and cheese. ] 06:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I let the guy off a one month block after only keeping him blocked for 3 days and I am stil the "bad guy"...galactic.--] 06:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Mongo, my request to you was friendly and civil, even '''after''' you insulted me by calling me 'galactically inane' a snide insult now you claim was a 'joke', rather than take responsibility for, and admit was conduct unbecoming an Admin hoping to become part of Arbcom. I asked you to instruct another editor to stop breaking WP:CIVIL, using an insulting nickname towards me. He insisted that I stop calling him 'Ruthbar'. I did. I now see that Crockspot feels I am insulting him by calling him CP! I will gladly stop. I asked a simple request of you as an Admin. I'm sorry that for whatever reason, you refused to honor my request that you advise / warn another editor who doesn't want me to post on his page to follow WP:CIVIL. I will ask you again. Will you '''advise/warn''' Ruthfulbarbarity to stop breaking WP:CIVIL by calling me 'Neocons', and to call me FAAFA, or do I need take my concerns elsewhere? - ] 08:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Can I call you ]? --] 17:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Awright...I don't think that helps....--] 17:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Where did he call you a "neocon"...is that his greatest offense? I see on your Rfc that he made some comment about Noeocons, but can't see what he is directing it at. Please provide links to the evidence that he has insulted you. I am NOT a personal dispute solver...if indeed you feel slighted, you can post the evidence to ]. You have been accussed of incivility yourself and have been blocked numerous times for multiple violations....please provide me with the evidence I need to act on...this evidence is based on diffs and examples.--] 17:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:Coming later today Mongo. I'm talked about a single, very simple issue here. Refer to me by my user name, not one I consider offensive and insulting. - ] 21:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::Is it even an offense? You have to be pretty smart to be a "Neocon" so I am not sure how it's offensive. So I agree that it would be very confusing and difficult to confuse FAAFA/NBGPWS with being a neocon and RB should stop calling him that. --] 18:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Response not merited. - ] 21:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I dont understand how "Neocons" can be uncivil if its the first word in your old name. While I prefer people call be Nuclear, I wouldnt be offended if they called me zer0, which many still do. I am not sure where the insult is in reffering to you by your old name that you picked out. If you worried that people would associate you with NeoConservatives, perhaps you shouldnt have made a name with a shortened version of it. --]<s>]</s> 18:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

:I expected more from you someone with your smarts, NU. My handle '''here''' was never anything but initials. My handle somewhere else was 'NeoconsBeGone'. Refering to me without the BeGone implies a different meaning, and could cause others to think I endorse Neoconservatism. Seeing of how even many the architects of Bushs disastrous Neoconservative policies have de-embraced this failed ideology, who could want that?! Thanks for your thoughts on what my handle should have been somewhere else two years ago, but it's a little too late now. Ruthfulbarbarity demanded I quit calling him 'Ruthbar' and his PW handle 'Wrathbone'. I did. Crockspots now demands I quit calling him CP! I will. I insist that he quit calling me 'Neocons'. He should, and he '''will'''. Having explained to you what you already knew, the fact that a number of editors are following me to around virtually every page I post on Wiki, commenting on my every action including Admin requests that have nothing to do with them, analgous to untrained puppies nippping at my heels is not lost on the observant. It makes me feel so special too! - ] 21:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::Okay, since this has been going on on both sides, about all you can do is to not cal anyone a nickname they might find offensive, ask them to do the same and if they don't stop, then something can be done about it...don't expect folks to just alter their style immediately...allow them a day or two to see that you are acting accordlying first. If you feel that you're being wikistalked, take the evbidence to ], or AN/I and see what can be done about it...surely many of these editors simply edit the same pages as you and they have a different POV.--] 21:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

'''Example one''': Ruthfulbarbarity wrote: ''"Stop the infantile insults NBGPWS, and if you must address me do so by the user name I have chosen. Not by any other user name I might have on another forum or website, nor a juvenile gloss on my handle."''Ruthfulbarbarity 19:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC) The result? I complied. (eventually;-). I only ask the same, and I have asked it for weeks. - ] 21:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:You sleep in the hole you dig I guess, as for people following you, your appearance on Ava say the opposite, I think there is a general circular following in everyone direction as many may feel other have alterior motives, quite the paranoid mess eh? Anyway if you want to seem reasonable you wont say silly things like "my handle here was never anything but initials", what an odd coincidence the random initials started the same exact way as the initials that actually meant something ... I mean I am trying to be neutral lately, but for you to do one thing then all of a sudden say "stop, I stopped, you must stop right now" is a little over the top. As Mongo said, give others sometime to adjust and see that you are practicing what you preach and I am sure they will come around. --]<s>]</s> 22:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::Know what? For the first time in ages, I posted on Ruthfulbarbarity page to inform him that an article he created, Liberty Post, was up for AfD. An act of helpfulness and concilliation! He '''complained''' about this in the RfC! I have 'buried the axe' with everyone, and even tried to perform 'random acts of kindness' to those who might hold grudges against me, like informing Ruthfulbarbarity of the AfD. Look what it gets me. Some people do not want harmony. - ] 22:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::The problem is ones past, its something I have had to work to get over and you will need to as well. You claimed you wanted harmony under NBGPWS and proved otherwise, claimed again under FAAFA and then went back on what people felt was a promise to behave with the stipulation that it only regarded the election term. We all dig our holes and have to crawl out of them afterwards, don't do random acts of kidness, just by kind ... and patient. --]<s>]</s> 00:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

::::I never went back on any 'promise' regarding the election. I promised I would not add any negative info into the article of anyone running for office. I didn't. Do the research. You'll find that I, unlike some on Wiki, spend '''very''' little time trying to add 'negative" info into the articles of US Gov officials who I might 'oppose' or disagree with. - ] 00:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

'''Note to Mongo''' - Re: Thank you. - ] 00:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

== Shoshone National Forest ==

Hey, thanks for creating this very good article, right now I'm translating it into french but I got a problem with a sentence, I can't figure out what you meant. Here is the expression : "The Beartooth Mountains in the northernmost section of the forest are granitic and metamorphic in origin, and at to 3.96 billion years old, these exposed Precambrian rocks some of the oldest on Earth". Did you mean : granitic and metamorphic rocks, who appeared during the Precambrian, are some of the oldest rocks on earth ? --] 08:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:Right, I just had to check the :P --] 08:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::I meant that the rocks are granitic and metamorphic and they are 3.96 billion years old...(that is when the rocks were "created")...and are some of the oldest "dated" rocks on Earth...in other words, of the rocks that have been examined by geologists, those in the Beartooth Mountains are some of the oldest dated rocks known...
::Let me know if you need further clarifications, and glad to see you are translating the article...thank you!--] 17:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I edited the sentence. You might look at the result. --] ] 18:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Just saw that and it looks much better. The article is a bit wordy in a few spots and that helps clarify the issue I think...thanks!--] 18:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== My User Page ==

Hey, You erased my picture on my profile page... Just wanted to know why you did so... There are no Copyright problems concerning the picture, since I am the one being photographed and the photographer gave me explicit permission to use it. Thanks in advance. --] 10:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC) (PS: Happy Thanksgiving!)
:It still isn't tagged appropriately...if the photographer has allowed you to use it, then you need to provide evidence of the permission to do so from him on the page.--] 17:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== WHEEL ==

Please look at ]. I pled on Pump for people to come over so it would have ''wider'' input but instead I got a certain special fellow who is busy razing it.

I agree that on first blush the shorter policy always looks better. But there are distinct and deep reasons for breaking wheel warring into violations of a ] and violations of a ]. Worse, these late edits demote bright-line ''policy'' to some sort of nut. One more edit like this and everything that 20 different thoughtful editors have put together over the last year will be rubble.

If you don't have time to dig through all the history at ], I understand. You can start or take my word for it that the page has gone through a great deal of careful evolution.

Before merge, both pages were guidelines; I tagged the merge as ''guideline'', too; there it stood for a month. Major changes should be discussed on talk. Our friend first tagged it down to ''proposed'', then brought in the bulldozer. Sneaky or not, it's not okay. These rules -- call them whatever you will -- have already been cited in ArbCom decisions; perhaps I should have '''been bold''' and tagged the page ''policy'' from the merge. I've had a lot of input on this page already and I want ''you'' in there now -- if you'll be so kind. Thank you. ]]] 10:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:I've been looking all this over...are we trying to make it POLICY? Right now, it is not descriptive enough. It should state that any admin revert of any admin action is a violation of 0WW.....the core issue is, an admin has been promoted by the community to perform administrative duties...therefore, the community has the trust he/she will do this correctly...aside from egregious circumstances in which policy has been breached, no admin should ever revert another unless there is consensus to do so based on discussion of said action at AN or AN/I. Using off-wiki communication to try and achieve consensus is simply wrong...that includes IAR and email. There are very few examples of admins who have simply violated the community trust by an action that can't wait for consensus support to have it reverted. Tony Sidaway was placed on admin 1RR by arbcom, and in at least two examples, his blocks or admin actions were reverted without consensus to do so simply because the opposing admin knew that Tony could not wheel war over the issue without being sanctioned by arbcom. I have more thoughts, and may even change my tune here slightly, but allow me time to examine all the info and better evaluate the situation.--] 19:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== Forbes Burnham ==

MONGO, I'm new to Misplaced Pages. Please help me understand why the image was deleted from ] - Thanks ] 12:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:"it is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only" or "used with permission" which was either uploaded on or after May 19, 2005 or is not used in any articles, and which lacks a fair use assertion"....in other words, the image is "copyrighted" and if it is being used "by permission" or for "non-commerical use only" then one must submit proof that such permission has been granted....and or the person who took the image must release it for use under our GFDL licenses or to the public domain, making it free use. Check the links on the image upload pages, especially the . I know learning about our copywrites are complicated for newer editors...where did you retrieve the original image from?--] 17:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

::MONGO, I found the pic at . On the website it stated '''Please feel free to use images for projects etc., and, at one's own discretion, credit this website.''' In the image I uploaded, I credited their website and put the statement on use in a tag. Did I miss something? Many thanks for taking to time to assist. I'm enjoying Misplaced Pages and plan on being a regular contributor especially on people and issues pertaining to Guyana.{{unsigned|Roopster}}
:::The bottom of the page states, "© 2001 Guyanaundersiege.com"...though it does say you can use the images so long as you credit the website. Upload it using the "fair use" rationale and that should be sufficient...make such you link that website on the upload page as well and you should be fine. Please use the following information to assist you in uploading under our fair use and make sure the image is only used in article space..you cannot use it on userpages...--] 06:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

::::MONGO, readded the photo per your instructions. However, it was removed. Any idea by whom? Was named Forbes_Burnham_Guyana.jpg. Not sure how to track an entry that was totally removed. ] 00:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::It appears the image was originally taken from , but not sure...I think it qualifies for fair use see the policy...maybe...but again, that website states that all images are copywrited "© 2001-2005. Government Information Agency (GINA)"--] 10:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

==Could you unprotect ]?==
This is probably a moot point, since it looks like he's left the project, but could you unprotect ]? The issue has been pretty much settled in ]. Thanks! ] 22:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:I haven't looked at the editing history of that userpage, but I am mostly inclined to delete it than anything else...why do we want to unprotect it, especially if he is no longer editing? If it's just a matter of getting rid of the unsightly ugliness there, I can do that of course.--] 06:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The result of the discussion was to leave your version in place (which doesn't have all of the ugly unsightliness), but leave CW free to modify it. If he modifies it outside of the limits we've set, then we'll take the whole page over to MfD to be thrown out. Basically, we're handing him some rope and seeing if he hangs himself with it. Since it looks like he's left the project, that doesn't look likely, but there is still hope... :-)

Since we have a mechanism in place for dealing with CW if he screws up again, and there doesn't seem to be any likelihood of an edit war, there is no real reason to leave the page under protection. If we remove the protection, then there is the slight possibility of watching someone hang themselves. (That should prove amusing.) But that's just a side benefit - I just don't like having a page remaining under protection without sufficient cause. The cause is gone, let's unprotect it. ] 06:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
:Done...if he shows up and either uses his page to attack anyone or does so elsewhere with that kind of venom, then he'll be gone. Keep an eye on that for us, if you don't mind...I already have 800 pages watchlisted!--] 06:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you MONGO! ==

While I promised not to send out thank you's following ], I decided to make an exception for my nominator and the people that asked the excellent questions. I appreciate the nomination, and now you'll probably have to put up with me asking for advice as I learn how to navigate my new responsibilities. I appreciate the note you already left on my talk page regarding exercising caution and I'll try to heed it. Thanks again, —]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 19:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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==Galleries in Yellowstone==
Please show me the rule that states no galleries in featured articles. Also this page is still .5 beta or in development. Please show me the time and date that this article was featured. I have my doubts. Please use the talk page before delteting. This article seems to be making reverse progress.


Here is One article that was featred and also included a GALLERY. THIS IS BS AND YELLOWSTONE IS NOT YOUR ARTICLE. IT IS OUR ARTICLE. {{unsigned|CamperStrike}}
:That article IS NOT featured. It's just an article...it's not a featured article....see the little star in the upper right hand corner of the article page on Yellowstone...plus the banners at the top of the Yellowstone NP article talk page? They indicate that the community voted to have the article featured...all you have been doing for weeks now is edit warring over the image sizes (since you have your resolution set at some ridiculous level) and now trying to add galleries which are discouraged in featured articles...there is a link to the commons page that has dozens of images there for further consumption.--] 14:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== AN/I on your threat to block SalvNaut ==

My dearest Mongo,

I have started an on your idiotic threat to block SalvNaut. ... al ] bin ] ''<small>(])</small>'' 14:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Nice comment and I responded to you and have seen your ] violation on SalvNaut's talk page.--] 14:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


=== Edit summaries and comments ===

Okay, now I am here, warning you to remain civil...edit summaries and comments such as are incivil...see ]. You have the right to disagree with me, but do so civily.--] 16:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:But he's right. You have been overreacting about the Occum's razor comment, about Seabhcan's signature, and now about Tango's statement and edit summary. -- ''']''' 17:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with objecting to someone calling you a fool, whatever the circumstances. ] 17:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Precisely, rather than remaining civil, Tango has now decided to insult me.--] 17:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually I'm inclined to agree. Rather than taking it personally, make sure some other administrator is aware of the situation and walk away from that comment. I don't believe it's worth the grief on either side. -- '']']'' 17:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Nae'blis, the issues are complex and interwoven. There are no completely innocent parties between myself, Seabhcan, Tbeatty, SalvNaut and others. I saw several repeated comments by SalvNaut that were incivil, one he had to stike out in which he called Tbeatty a liar, and in the same eidt, I percieved a threat that indicated a "pun" on Occums Razor...that looks as though he was indifferent to personal harm coming to Tbeatty via a razor. I may very well be the only one who saw it that way. What I didn't need was another edotor in his edit summary and comments adding fuel to the fire telling me I am making myslef look like a fool. I am not anything of the sort. Seabhcan altered his username sig recently during the Rfc about his civility and other issues that 9 people have agreed to...Seabhacan has been an active editor on articles related to 9/11 adding misinformation that is not based on the known evidence...the alteration to his username certainly appeared as a slap in the face to many people and his broad comments about "Americans" as mentioned on his Rfc indicates he is possibly violating ]. I appreciate your always excellent contributions and never hesitate to remind everyone that I am never passive agressive...if I see a problem, I deal with it. I may be wrong at times, but never for malicious reasons.--] 17:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::Now, now Mongo, No Personal Attacks, please. ... al ] bin ] ''<small>(])</small>'' 17:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::What part of what I wrote above is a personal attack?--] 18:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::"Seabhacan... adding misinformation that is not based on the known evidence" "the alteration to his username certainly appeared as a slap in the face"... You have blocked people for less in the past, Mongo. ... al ] bin ] ''<small>(])</small>'' 18:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::You have indeed cied websites and other material that is not mainstream. I do believe you altered your username to appear like Osama bin laden's as an insult, deliberately designed to provoke. Whether you altered your username deliberately to provoke can'r be proven. I would like demostration that I have blocked people for less than what you claim...I will be waiting patiently.--] 18:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It is an outrageous and insulting allegation to suggest that I changed my username to be similar to Bin Laden. Its the `bin' part you are referring to I imagine. `Bin' mean `son of' in Arabic and about 48% of Muslims have `bin' in their name, in the same way that Scottish people often have `Mac' or `Mc'. To suggest that including `bin' in my display name has any connection Bin Laden only reflects your own narrow world view and perhaps some prejudice you hold against Muslims. I might as well accuse you of supporting `Murder' because you have `M' in your name. ... al ] bin ] ''<small>(])</small>'' 18:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


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I noticed that you last edited over a year ago. Did you quit? Or what? I was going to invite you to edit the ]. ] (]) 01:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
In re : That, in any case, is what I've argued. Given the "'''part''' of the problem", "'''many''' Americans ..." and "a '''kind of''' religious dogma" qualifications, these aren't even especially universal generalizations. In general, I think we should adjust for context, and what Seabhcan means is clearly (in all cases) "the editors working on the article with an apparently American bias". I have never formed a picture in my mind of Seabchan as anti-American or in any way bigotted in that regard. His remarks just display his frustration which he, understanably, traces to certain habits of mind in other editors. Every now and then he generalizes, but few readers would extend these outbursts beyond the contexts in which they were made. Even to take offense at the these remarks (given the sort opposition he's receiving -- from, among others, you) is a bit silly. To take '''action''' is, yes, I agree with Abe, a waste of time. Best, as always, --] 17:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Besides myself, there are nine other editors that signed the summary of diffs which indicate his actions are to be questioned...so it's not as if I am the sole complantant. If it goes to arbcom...which at this point looks impossible to avoid, you'll get another chance to defend Seabhcan.--] 17:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Interesting argument. '''You contacted me''' to ask me (rhetorically, to be sure) whether there is anything wrong with your four examples. I explain in detail what's wrong with one of them and make a gesture at how this might also count for the others. You then tell me that there are nine other editors who are not likely to be moved by rational argument, and refer me to the authorities if I want to discuss things further. Why not actually argue your case, Mongo?--] 18:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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Glad I have other things to worry about than this website as some folks are hell bent on making it a completely unfun place to be. Nice job dlthewave...you succeeded in getting the articles redirected yet I see the page they redirect to have no further information...only empty headers. The purpose of a stub is so myself or anyone can come along and work to expand it...bandwidth is cheap so deletion is just plain stupid. This is why we have stub tags.--MONGO (talk) 11:16, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

US Mountain West online meeting November 14

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U.S. Mountain West Online Meeting

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Wikimedia U.S. Mountain West Online Meeting

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Rescheduled online meeting of the Wikimedians of the U.S. Mountain West 05/21/2024

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Did you quit?

I noticed that you last edited over a year ago. Did you quit? Or what? I was going to invite you to edit the Mann Gulch fire. Yankeepapa13 (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)