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			* '''What I think should be changed''': "In February 2021, a Warsaw court ruled that Grabowski and Engelking must apologize for their claims about Malinowski (the sołtys of the Polish village of Malinowo), in Dalej jest noc, but it did not order them to pay compensation. Grabowski and Engelking will appeal the verdict. The Polish Center for Holocaust Research published a detailed response by Engelking to the accusations and trial." should be updated to reflect the international condemnation and the successful appeal of this shameful verdict.
			* '''Why it should be changed''': sources
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	~~Does such overarchivisation make the discussion more readable?~~] (]) 08:33, 22 ~~July~~ ~~2019~~ (UTC)		] (]) 13:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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	:Engelking is apparently disliked by various individuals or groups, and the talk page seems to constantly fill with comments that are, or could be considered, ] violations. It's therefore best to archive quickly, to avoid these issues. Also, please note it is not "threads older than 1 week", but actually "threads that have no response in over 1 week" that may be archived. No active or on-going discussion will be automatically archived. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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	::May I ask what is your source of knowledge of the subject? Do you read Polish?
			:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 20:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
	::JT Gross and the Center led by BE are not historians, they reeducate Polish people. They aren't interested in facts, they accept contradictory sources.
	::Professor ] in his recent book describes BE as a psychologist (it's her MA subject, I would rather call her a sociologist). Musiał quotes also BE's statement, that she has psychological problem with the Holocaust. I respect openess of BE and her humanity, but there is a problem if she is neutral. A number of her media statements suggest she isn't. Musiał claims also that Center's researchers don't read German, so they use almost exlusively Polish language sources. Another question - do they read Yddish?
	::Dr Domański believes that BE and her team don't review their books by independent researchers. I don't know if the opinion has been rejected by the Center.
	:WWII survivor sues BE and Grabowski. JT Gross also has refused to correct his errors, so one had to sue him. Is it ''academic'' to use force to correct any error?
	::Domański and Gontarczyk have critiized the 2018 book and they write their books criticizing "Dalej jest noc". Let's wait.
	::So it's not ''like or dislike'' only. A Holocaust historian should read German and Yiddish and to evaluate his/her sources critically. ] (]) 12:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
	::I have checked and my answers are available in the archive and the discussion was already broken by the former archiving. So we are in the same place since May. Maybe your ''Misplaced Pages policy'' of ignoring archived threads and archiving after one week (especially during Summer holidays) isn't correct.
	::This Misplaced Pages has to accept classical logic. If it doesn't I'm in a wrong place.] (]) 12:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
	:::Please review ] and ]; the comments about individuals above are one of the reasons this talk page must be archived so frequently. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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What I think should be changed: "In February 2021, a Warsaw court ruled that Grabowski and Engelking must apologize for their claims about Malinowski (the sołtys of the Polish village of Malinowo), in Dalej jest noc, but it did not order them to pay compensation. Grabowski and Engelking will appeal the verdict. The Polish Center for Holocaust Research published a detailed response by Engelking to the accusations and trial." should be updated to reflect the international condemnation and the successful appeal of this shameful verdict.
Why it should be changed: sources
References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

80.51.76.250 (talk) 13:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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