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'''If''' process guidelines are met, move templates to the appropriate subsection '''here''' to prepare to delete. Before deleting a template, ensure that it is not in use on any pages (other than talk pages where eliminating the link would change the meaning of a prior discussion), by checking ] for '(transclusion)'. Consider placing {{t1|Being deleted}} on the template page. '''If''' process guidelines are met, move templates to the appropriate subsection '''here''' to prepare to delete. Before deleting a template, ensure that it is not in use on any pages (other than talk pages where eliminating the link would change the meaning of a prior discussion), by checking ] for '(transclusion)'. Consider placing {{t1|Being deleted}} on the template page.

===Tools===
There are several tools that can help when implementing TfDs. Some of these are listed below.
* – Toolforge tool to see which pages are transcluded but not linked from or to a template
* ] – user script that allows for template use to be viewed from the ] page
* ] – semi-automatic editor that can replace or modify templates using ]
* ] – robots editing automatically. All tasks have to be ] before operating. There are currently five bots with general approval to assist with implementing TfD outcomes:
** ] – substituting templates via ]
** ] – general TfD implementation run by ]
** ] – general TfD implementation run by ]
** ] – general TfD implementation run by ]
** ] – general TfD implementation run by ]


===Closing discussions=== ===Closing discussions===
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* {{tfdl|template name|log date (YYYY Month DD)}} * {{tfdl|template name|log date (YYYY Month DD)}}
If empty, add * ''None currently'' below this comment. --> If empty, add * ''None currently'' below this comment. -->
*{{tfdl|Fb_cl_footer|2018 September 10|section=Template:Fb cl footer}} *{{tfdl|Infobox_tropical_cyclone|2024 March 10|section=Weather infoboxes}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_cl3_qr|2018 April 22|section=Template:Fb cl3 qr}} *{{tfdl|Infobox_storm|2024 March 10|section=Weather infoboxes}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_r2_header|2018 April 28|section=Template:Fb r2 header}} *{{tfdl|WikiProject_Glass|2024 November 5|section=Template:WikiProject Glass}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_r2_team|2018 April 28|section=Template:Fb r}} *{{tfdl|PIE|2024 December 3|section=Template:PIE}}
**Instances should be replaced with <code><nowiki>{{lang|ine-x-proto}}</nowiki></code>. If the instance contains a phrase or sentence, <code>|proto=no</code> should be added to suppress the asterisk. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—]&nbsp;<sup>(]·])</sup></span> 14:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Fb_r_footer|2018 April 28|section=Template:Fb r}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_r|2018 April 28|section=Template:Fb r}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_cl2_team|2018 April 19|section=Mass Fb cl templates}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_cl2_header_navbar|2018 April 19|section=Mass Fb cl templates}}
*{{tfdl|Fb_cl_header|2018 April 19|section=Mass Fb cl templates}}
*:Would it be possible for a bot to convert the transclusions of these templates to ]? ] (]) 23:50, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
*::Should be doable, yes. ] (]) 00:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
*:::I could probably do something while I am converting all the {{tld|Fb team}} templates. But, I will have to see how complicated the code is. Thanks! ] ] 00:36, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|Plastikspork|Primefac}} Can your bots using ] instead in this case, such as ? ] (]) 04:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
*:::::], sure. That particular template only had one use, and that use was in userspace, and the title of the page was "concept", so I didn't bother to fully convert it. But in general, the plan is to convert the various table/cl header/cl footer/cl team templates to use sports table. Thanks! ] ] 12:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
*:::::: I am replacing all of these fb templates ] (]) 15:08, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|PH_16_cities|2019 February 11|section=Template:PH 16 cities}}
*:{{ping| Izno }} as the original nominator of this template, could I get you to tackle it? I'm not too familiar with the topic... --''']''' (<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>) 23:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
*::{{ping|Zackmann08}} It looks like {{u|Nigej}} actually read the <s>screed</s>content; perhaps he can get together a sentence or two to subst into the articles of interest. --] (]) 03:00, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*:::{{ping| Izno}}, {{ping|Zackmann08}} The issue relates to a controversial decision to grant city status to 15 municipalities in the Philippines, which was eventually accepted - so they are cities now. Currently most of the 15 articles have this long section in their articles. ] has all the details anyone could possibly want, ] has less detail, ] (last paragraph) is meant to be a summary, but misses out the final important decision. The last paragraph of ] could be used (after being updated) to replace the excessively long and detailed stuff that is currently in most of the 15 city articles. Happy to give it a go if everyones happy. ] (]) 08:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|Nigej}} Be bold. --] (]) 13:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Aeiou|2019 February 5|section=Template:Aeiou}} merge to {{tl|Austriaforum}}
*Merge into {{t|Aircraft specs}}:
**{{tfdl|Aerospecs|2019 March 20|section=Template:Aerospecs}}
**{{tfdl|Aircraft_specifications|2019 March 20|section=Template:Aerospecs}}
*For merging into {{t|Yesno}} - will need heavy sandboxing:
**{{tfdl|If_affirmed|2019 March 19|section=Template:If affirmed}}
**{{tfdl|If_declined|2019 March 19|section=Template:If affirmed}}
*::{{u|Primefac}} You indicated that you had some kind of idea how this merger may be done while closing this discussion with the first step being making a If affirmed/declined a yesno wrapper. I've done that in the sandboxes, but as you can see in the testcases it does change the value for a not insignificant amount of values. Are we supposed to go through each and every template that uses if affirmed/declined to see if it breaks anything and if it doesn't substitute it in? Do anyone have a better plan? -- ] (]) 21:38, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
*:::I don't see your changes to {{tl|Yesno/sandbox}}. If you don't change the source, then the template won't know what the "yes" and "no" values are. --] (]) 21:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
*::::Sorry if I were unclear, I meant ] and ] is where I've made a simple wrapper version. This will inevitably lead to some output differences if we don't change YesNo directly but I don't believe we have consensus to do so. Several people in the TfD thought we shouldn't touch YesNo and last time a RfC was required before they added on and off. -- ] (]) 22:28, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Ctime:06|2019 March 8}} - see ]
*{{tfdl|Multidel|2019 June 9|section=Template:Deletion history}}
*:The multidel merger seems like it will have to be at least partly manual. I would support instead of expending significant resources orphaning a functional talk page banner just deprecating it and leaving exsisting transclusions as is. --] (]) 21:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
*:: The idea of keeping ] blue but deprecated was not what was agreed to at the TfD. ] ] 15:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*:::If it requires manual orphaning then it requires manual orphaning. As I've said multiple times here, being "difficult" or "awkward" is not a reason to ignore the outcome of a TFD. True, it might take a while to manually orphan a template if it's a complicated merger, but saying "it's being orphaned" is different than "we're leaving it alone but it's deprecated". ] (]) 16:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*::::I've done as much as I can using AWB with 3 different monster regex rules and a few hours of adding edge cases and I'm down to 65 transclusions. I think all of this will have to be done manually as there is only very few following the same pattern now. It wasn't as bad as I thought but still probably not the best use of time either. --] (]) 22:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)


===To merge=== ===To merge===
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Templates to be merged into another template. Templates to be merged into another template.

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* {{tfdl|template name|log date (YYYY Month DD)}} * {{tfdl|bad template|log date (YYYY Month DD)|section=Template:bad template}} - merge into {{tl|good template}}
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====Arts====
*{{tfdl|Infobox_online_music_service|2019 February 20|section=Template:Infobox online music service}} merge with {{tl|Infobox_online_service}}
::I've looked at this merger and found that a lot of the parameters are music service specific. While it sounds easy merging these there would have to be large changes and probably even a specific module which kind of defeats the purpose of the merger. List of parameters and my opinions on them can be found in ], but I would like others opinions on this. Tagging {{u|Gonnym}} since they have expressed interest in other infobox mergers. -- ] (]) 13:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:::So lets start with a general note - a lot of times people that create these infobox aren't thinking about standardization and correct usage, but just copy/paste from some place else and what "feels" good at that moment. Mergers is a good time to clean these templates, not bring those mistakes over. So looking at the logo parameter, you have a {{para|service_logo}} one as well. There is absolutely no reason to add it in the merge. With that in mind, you should really check if the alt parameter names are used, and even if they are used, if they are correct. Once you're done cleaning that list, it will be easier to see what's needed. Another tool you should use is <code><nowiki>hastemplate:"Infobox online music service" insource:/owner*=*/</nowiki></code> to see how parameters are being used (and if they are being used). {{para|protocol}} has 14 uses, 13 are "HTPPS". Seems a bit pointless as far as parameters go. {{para|avalibility}} seems to be misused, with some adding countries, while others dates (and maybe others do something else as I haven't check them all). If you feel you understand these templates enough, create a sandbox version with how you think the merge should go, a version in the /testcases to show that everything works, and post it on the talk page for comments. If no one objects, then just merge it. --] (]) 14:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::::As an additional note - large changes are okay. There are often parameters specific to one template that aren't found in the target template, and they just need to be added in. It's not the end of the world to add a parameter or five to the target template, since it ''is'' a "merge"; if the templates were pure duplicates it would be dead-easy to just redirect the old to the new, or create a subst-able wrapper to deal with it. ] (]) 17:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Gonnym}} I'm a bit confused about the alias problem regarding {{para|service_logo}}. I see no problem with adding that as an alias, but if the consensus is to remove most aliases then that I'll do that. I was just under the impression that aliases were cheap and saw no reason to remove any of them. I have now made a new version in the sandbox with my reasoning for additions and removals explained at ]. Input would be appreciated as I have never performed a larger infobox merger before. --] (]) 16:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::There are usually no issues with adding an alias, especially if you're not going to convert into a wrapper first. However, it ''does'' make the code cleaner to only have one (or two) parameter names, if only to avoid confusion down the line. Generally when I add an alias it's as a short-term solution until I (or my bot) can remove the old params. ] (]) 16:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


====Infoboxes====
====Geography, politics and governance====
*Merge into the singular {{t|infobox ship}} (currently a redirect):
*{{tfdl|Infobox_historic_subdivision|2018 April 13|section=Template:Infobox historic subdivision}} merge with {{tl|Infobox former subdivision}}
*{{tfdl|Substantive_human_rights|2019 May 14|section=Template:Substantive human rights}} merge with {{tl|Human rights}} **{{tfdl|Infobox_ship_begin|2022 April 30|section=Template:Infobox ship begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_ship_career|2022 April 30|section=Template:Infobox ship begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_ship_characteristics|2022 April 30|section=Template:Infobox ship begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_ship_class_overview|2022 April 30|section=Template:Infobox ship begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_ship_image|2022 April 30|section=Template:Infobox ship begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_service_record|2022 April 30|section=Template:Infobox ship begin}}
**:I have hacked ] which implements ship infoboxen without the external wikitable that the above templates require. Uses ]; {{tlx|infobox ship begin}} is no longer required; parameter names are changed from sentence- to snake-case; section header height for career, characteristics, service record sections is normalized; ] are supported. I chose to retain the individual section templates as subtemplates:
**:*{{tlx|Infobox ship/image}}
**:*{{tlx|Infobox ship/career}}
**:*{{tlx|Infobox ship/characteristic}}
**:*{{tlx|Infobox ship/class}}
**:*{{tlx|Infobox ship/service record}} – Module:Infobox ship implements only the 'ship' portion of {{tlx|Infobox service record}}
**:In the main infobox these subtemplates are called with the {{para|section&lt;{{var|n}}>}} parameters (aliases of {{para|data&lt;{{var|n}}>}}).
**:
**:Comparisons between wikitable infoboxen and Module:Infobox ship infoboxen can bee seen at ].
**:—] (]) 14:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
**::Since the intent is to use ] directly, why is ] being used to generate the infobox? I can understand if there is need for a backend module to validate a value or something, but is there really a reason to have this unique code? ] (]) 17:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
**:::The original complaint was that the ship infoboxen templates are {{tq|table templates masquerading as infobox templates}}. None of those templates use ]. ] answers that complaint. Yeah, we still have subtemplates, but, in my opinion, that is a good thing because the appropriate parameters and their data are contained in each particular subtemplate. The container subtemplates make it relatively easy for an editor reading an article's wikitext to understand. The current ship infobox system allows sections in any order (except for the position of {{tlx|infobox ship begin}} – not needed with Module:Infobox ship); whatever the final outcome of this mess, that facility must not be lost.
**:::
**:::Module:Infobox ship does do some error checking (synonymous parameters {{para|ship_armor}} / {{para|ship_armour}}, {{para|ship_draft}} / {{para|ship_draught}}, {{para|ship_honors}} / {{para|ship_honours}}, and {{para|ship_stricken}} / {{para|ship_struck}}). Whether {{tld|infobox ship}} directly calls Module:Infobox or whether {{tld|infobox ship}} calls Module:Infobox ship which then calls Module:Infobox is really immaterial so long as the final rendered result is a correctly formatted infobox.
**:::—] (]) 19:06, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
**::::@] are you still interested in working on this Module? If not, I'd like to try to get it finished myself. The massive deviation I had in mind was to make one invocation of the module do everything. Each page will require individual attention to complete the merge into a proper infobox anyway, so I reason to go the extra mile to make it nicer in general. Repeatable parameters will have the normal ''n'' number appended to the end of the parameter. An alternative would be to have subboxes for repeating sections, which would be easier in general to replace and implement. ] (]) 20:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
**:::::Sure, but I don't think that this page is the proper place to discuss. Choose some place more proper and let me know where that is?
**:::::—] (]) 22:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*Replacement with {{t|Infobox aircraft}}:
**{{tfdl|Infobox_aircraft_type|2023 January 22|section=Template:Infobox aircraft begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_aircraft_career|2023 January 22|section=Template:Infobox aircraft begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_aircraft_program|2023 January 22|section=Template:Infobox aircraft begin}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_aircraft_begin|2023 January 22|section=Template:Infobox aircraft begin}} &rarr; {{tl|Infobox aircraft}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_aircraft_engine|2023 January 22|section=Template:Infobox aircraft begin}} &rarr; {{tl|Infobox aircraft}}
***For {{t|Infobox aircraft engine}}, There is an ] about whether the aircraft engine Infobox should be merged with the Infobox aircraft or not. Except for the engine Infobox, other Infoboxes can be orphaned and there are no objection for that. ] (]) 22:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
****This discussion is still ongoing, so I have moved it back to the "to merge" list with the others. ] (]) 10:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
****The discussion has now ended (), with the consensus '''NOT TO MERGE''' {{tl|Infobox aircraft engine}} with the others. However {{tl|infobox aircraft begin}} may or may not end up being merged into {{tl|Infobox aircraft engine}}. The template pages should be updated accordingly. &mdash; Cheers, ] (]) 10:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Infobox_climber|2024 June 29|section=Template:Infobox climber}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_mountaineer|2024 June 29|section=Template:Infobox climber}}
*Merge into {{tl|Infobox NFL biography}} and rename to {{tl|Infobox gridiron football biography}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography|2024 November 18|section=Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_NFL_biography|2024 November 18|section=Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_gridiron_football_person|2024 November 18|section=Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography}}


====Religion==== ====Navigation templates====
* ''None currently'' * ''None currently''


====Sports==== ====Link templates====
*{{tfdl|Lx|2023 October 1|section=Template:Lx}}
*''None currently''
*{{tfdl|Pagelinks|2023 October 1|section=Template:Lx}}

**Because Lx has the option to hide certain links and PageLinks itself doesn't, a direct merge is impossible. The next best thing would be to convert the transclusions to invocations of ]. Doesn't look too impossible at first glance. ] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 00:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
====Transport====
**:Problem: Lx's 20,000 transclusions are kinda fake, because almost all of them are transclusions of transclusions. <br/>Even if we restrict it to the template namespace, most of {{em|those}} are transclusions of transclusions of transclusions in the doc subpage. ] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 00:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|TTC station|2019 July 23|section=Template:TTC station}}
**::The more I look at this, the more it appears technically infeasible. Lx has some really bizarre arguments like tag and label which can't be replicated by Module:PageLinks. When Lx was used to link to a normal page, namespace is usually Talk and label is usually talk, but when it's used to link to a talk page, either could be anything. Also, the recursive transclusion issue means the only way to get our pages would be an insource search, which means we'd also have to deal with ].{{pb}}Replacing all uses of the format <code><nowiki>\{\{x\|1=\|2=(.*)\|3=Talk\|4=talk\}\}</nowiki></code> with <code><nowiki>{{Pagelinks|$1}}</nowiki></code> could be a start. From there, I'm totally lost. ] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 16:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|TTC stations|2019 July 23|section=Template:TTC station}}
**:::What if we only replaced , and then substed everything else? ] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 19:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
**::::I have officially responded in less than a year. First, which only cares about direct uses of {{t|Lx}}, not other things like {{t|Lxg}}. To your question, what if we make those replacements and see where we are at, transclusion-wise? Once those transclusions of transclusions of translcusions of transclusioons are at least reduced, we can see what else needs evaluation. It will take a while for the ] to catch up and give us an accurate picture of where we are left, so I might do that sooner rather than later... <b>]]</b>&nbsp;(]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 06:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|See_also_if_exists|2024 December 13|section=Template:See also if exists}}
*{{tfdl|See_also|2024 December 13|section=Template:See also if exists}}


====Other==== ====Other====
*{{tfdl|Football_squad_player2|2020 February 1|section=Template:Football squad player2}} and {{tfdl|Football_squad_player|2020 February 1|section=Template:Football squad player2}}
*{{tfdl|Rfam_box|2019 April 5|section=Template:Rfam box}}
** '''Note''' Pending ] ] (]) 18:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Infobox_rfam|2019 April 5|section=Template:Rfam box}}
*** I've closed the RfC. ] (]) 15:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|BillboardURL|2019 April 19|section=Template:BillboardURL}}
**At this point this is ready for large scale replacement. I said a while ago that I could do it but due to me being quite busy IRL this seems unlikely to get done in a timely manner. If you feel like doing a large scale replacement job feel free to take this one. --] (]) 17:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|BillboardURLbyName|2019 April 19|section=Template:BillboardURL}}
***], what large-scale replacement? I (foolishly?) jumped into this rabbit hole, and have been in it for over a day now. This is a very complex merge; I've got to show fewer differences, but there's still more to be done. – ] (]) 15:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Infobox_time_zone_UTC|2019 June 29|section=Template:Infobox time zone UTC}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_time_zone|2019 June 29|section=Template:Infobox time zone UTC}} *{{tfdl|Auto_compact_TOC|2023 March 6|section=Template:Auto compact TOC}}
*{{tfdl|Compact_TOC|2023 March 6|section=Template:Auto compact TOC}}
*: Note that while no one objected ''in principle'' to the merging of these two "time zone" templates, it is also true that no one has demonstrated how the merge would actually be accomplished ''in practice''. One user has ] to perform the merge. Personally, I looked at ] before the merge nomination was made, and eventually gave up on the idea since it looked like it was going to be too time consuming to actually do. It is not clear at this point who will be willing and able to successfully complete this merge. - ] (]) 23:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Wikisource author|2023 July 5|section=Template:Wikisource author}}
*::I'll take care of it if no one else gets to it first. I've done a lot of these over the years. ] (]) 13:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Wikisourcelang|2023 July 5|section=Template:Wikisource author}}
*:::], I think something went wrong here. There are fundamental differences between IANA time zones, UTC offset zones, and what is commonly known as "time zone". Please reconsider your nomination. ] (]) 12:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
**Hi now that {{t|Wikisourcelang}} is being merged, how do I use the merge target template to point to sister language Wikisources? All the links keep incorrectly pointing to the English version and the documentation of {{t|Wikisource}} has not been updated about this. ] (]) 20:16, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
***{{u|Folly Mox}}, the merge has not yet been completed, so you should use the appropriate currently-existing template to do whatever it is you are planning until the merge is complete. The existing uses will be converted appropriately at that time. ] (]) 09:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
****Oops, I forgot I had posted here. My assertion was incorrectly based on the first instance I had tested, which had been misusing parameters in such a way that it worked prior to the start of the merge process but not afterwards. The links to en.s/lang:page do properly redirect if the parameters are used correctly, but I didn't initially follow the links to check. It was quite an embarrassing hour or so of my contribution history. ] (]) 13:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Wikisourcehas|2023 July 5|section=Template:Wikisource author}}
**I see I am not supposed to use {{tl|Wikisourcehas}} on "additional padverages" so I have had to move to using {{tl|Sister project}} because {{tl|Wikisource}} does not have the required functionality. I shall look out for further developments because some very clever coding will be needed. ] (]) 13:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
**For over a year now we have been instructed not to use {{t|Wikisource author}}, {{t|Wikisourcelang}} and {{t|Wikisourcehas}} and this is a nuisance because avoiding their use is not at all trivial. Can we have a report on progress with the merge, please, or permission to again use these templates? ] (]) 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
***See Primefac's note above. Just keep using the existing templates. They will be converted for you during the merge process, whenever it happens (these merges sometimes take a while, as you can see above). When the conversion is done, the merged template will support the features that you need. That's how it's supposed to work, anyway. – ] (]) 19:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
***:Thank you. That's helpful. Is there a change that could be usefully made to the display text in {{tl|being deleted}}? Or maybe the assumption is that no one reads beyond the first line anyway. ] (]) 20:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Facebook_page|2024 February 21|section=Template:Facebook page}}
*{{tfdl|Facebook|2024 February 21|section=Template:Facebook page}}
** While the result was "merge" it seems that this should be moved to "convert" as looking at ], the ID used there is "The-Kilborn-File/107748632605752", while the new one is at <code>https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100082874612029</code>. The number is different. Unless I'm missing something else there is nothing here to merge. --] (]) 10:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|R_fully_protected|2024 September 17|section=Template:R fully protected}}
*{{tfdl|R_template-protected|2024 September 17|section=Template:R fully protected}}
*{{tfdl|R_extended-protected|2024 September 17|section=Template:R fully protected}}
*{{tfdl|R_semi-protected|2024 September 17|section=Template:R fully protected}}
*{{tfdl|R_protected|2024 September 17|section=Template:R fully protected}}
*{{tfdl|AfD_new_user|2024 October 18|section=Template:AfD new user}}
*{{tfdl|At_school_occasional|2024 November 22|section=Template:At school occasional}}
*{{tfdl|At_school|2024 November 22|section=Template:At school occasional}}
*{{tfdl|Cricket_Result|2024 December 6|section=Template:Cricket Result}}
*{{tfdl|Cricket_result|2024 December 6|section=Template:Cricket Result}}
*{{tfdl|STN|2024 December 6|section=Template:STN}}
*{{tfdl|Station|2024 December 6|section=Template:STN}}
*{{tfdl|Incomprehensible|2024 December 13|section=Template:Incomprehensible}}
*{{tfdl|Confusing|2024 December 13|section=Template:Incomprehensible}}
*{{tfdl|WPBASEBALL_assessment_level_category|2024 December 8|section=Template:WPBASEBALL assessment level category}}
*{{tfdl|WPANIMATION_assessment_quality_work_group_level|2024 December 8|section=Template:WPBASEBALL assessment level category}}
*{{tfdl|WikiProject_Television_task_force_assessment_category|2024 December 8|section=Template:WPBASEBALL assessment level category}}
*{{tfdl|WPANIMATION_assessment_quality_work_group_level|2024 December 8|section=Template:WPBASEBALL assessment level category}}
*{{tfdl|How-to|2024 December 3|section=Template:How-to}} merge {{tl|manual}} into this template
*{{tfdl|Manual|2024 December 3|section=Template:How-to}} merge into {{tl|how-to}}
* {{tfdl|Articles by Quality|2024 December 20}}
* {{tfdl|Category class|2024 December 20}}


====Meta==== ====Meta====
* ''None currently''
* Merge with ]
**{{tfdl|Infobox name module|2017 April 7|section=Template:Infobox name module}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox East Asian name|2017 May 26}}
* Merge with ]
**{{tfdl|Array_length|2019 February 20|section=Module:Array length|ns=Module}}
*** Merged module written in sandbox (weeks ago). ] ] 03:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Vandal-m|2019 March 7|section=Module:Vandal-m|ns=Module}}
*: Merged module written in sandbox (although much of the coded I added to ] should probably be in ] instead. ] (]) 15:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
*::I've set up some {{oldid2|908855084|testcases}} and it outputs the same thing as the old one except for the autoblock thing which I assume was intentionl since it doesn't work. I think it could be completed now. --] (]) 13:37, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*::: Yes, removal of the broken autoblock link was intentional. ] ] 14:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
* Merge with ]
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Australia|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Canada|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/China|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Common_law|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Commonwealth_realms|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Eng|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Europe|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/France|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Germany|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Japan|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Middle_East|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/New_Zealand|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/North_America|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Northern|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/South_Africa|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/South_Korea|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/Southern|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/UK|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/UK_and_Canada|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/US_and_UK|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/US|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
**{{tfdl|Globalize/West|2019 April 5|section=Template:Globalize}}
***Please either contact me or leave a note at ] when this is close to being done, Twinkle will need to be updated. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''(] • ] • ])''</small> 17:20, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
*:::I've been looking at performing this merger but believe the discussion was insufficient. Neither the alternate name feature in the subpages used to get proper formatting nor the category issue was discussed. Participants were also not notified about the ] or the ] all of which would be highly relevant to the outcome of the discussion. Would it be proper to start another TfD discussing these concerns? -- ] (]) 11:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
*::::No. There was unanimous consensus from a dozen editors to perform this merge. If it is not ''technically'' possible then we need to re-evaluate the proposal, but simply being difficult is not reason enough. ] (]) 16:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
*:::::There also seemed to be consensus not to do this without a major revamp to make sure the categorization system works with most reasonable inputs in the 2010 discussion. As an example only USA would currently add the category while US, United States, the United States, the US or the USA would not. On top of this you would as it stands have to use the 2name parameter add ''the'' to make the sentance gramtically correct. I believe that this improved template should still be made if we're merging these even though there was no discussion about it in the most recent TfD, only in the 2010 TfD. -- ] (]) 18:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
*::::::It's long been a concern of people discussing TFDs that there is no "model" or "proof of concept" when templates are nominated for merging, but if it's a potentially contentious nomination there may be no point in spending the time and effort to mock up a "finished version" if the proposal is going to be shot down. The concerns you list are valid, and definitely something that will be clear when creating the merged template. The existing uses won't be deleted/replaced/etc until the final product is ready to go, so it's not like we'll be breaking things. ] (]) 12:31, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
*::::::Trialpears, could you point me to where in the code the USA categorization takes place? I'm not quite following what the issue is without actually seeing the code. --] (]) 13:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::Relevant categorization happens at the line starting with "| all =" (the template is based on ambox which adds monthly cleanup categories using cat and other categories using all). Currently it adds the article to Category:{{{region}}}-centric if that category exsist and otherwise to ]. The problem with this is that it will only categories it properly if USA is entered and not any other reasonable value. As you can see by looking at ] this is a very common issue with 7/10 random articles I looked at belonging in a region-centric category. -- ] (]) 13:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::There a few ways to handle this. You could create sub-template that has a list of allowed variations per country and then handle it with a switch, or you could add to the documentation the allowed country parameters. At the end of the day you can't stop people being ignorant. {{tl|Globalize}} says to use a single country/region in {{para|2}}, {{para|3}} and {{para|4}}, yet whoever added it to ] decided to write {{para|2|USA and Europe}}. So don't over-think this too much. --] (]) 14:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::I've now made a new template in the sandbox which should do this reasonably well. It's just a large switch block adding aliases for all countries with categories I could find. It also deals with the displayname problem when the categoryname and displayname shouldn't be the same (eg "USA" in the categoryname and "the United States" in the text). If this template is implemented I would be fine with the merger. The next step would be replacing the current uses of the subpages, and notifying the twinkle developers. I will leave a message at ] later today. Regarding the replacement of current subpage templates I've managed to to a version that substitute the normal template with all the correct parameters. If someone then could use a bot run to substitute them all that would complete the merger. -- ] (]) 21:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


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*{{tfdl|Infobox_U.S._state|2019 March 2|section=Template:Infobox U.S. state}}
** {{tfdl|R to related|2023 October 25}} - convert to {{t|R from related word}} or {{t|R to related topic}} as appropriate
**Convert to wrapper of {{tl|Infobox settlement}}, per TFD close. – ] (]) 18:40, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
** Adding this from RfD as it's template related. --] (]) 21:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
**: Started toying with this and came to the conclusion that I was very the wrong person because there are definitely cases where the appropriate template is neither of the two of interest. We need to leave this refinement on the user talk pages of some people who know what they're doing. ] (]) 22:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|S-line/IT-Eurostar_left/Frecciabianca|2024 April 25|section=Frecciabianca s-line templates}}
*{{tfdl|S-line/IT-Eurostar_right/Frecciabianca|2024 April 25|section=Frecciabianca s-line templates}}
*{{tfdl|Adjacent_stations/Trenitalia|2024 April 25|section=Frecciabianca s-line templates|ns=Module}}
*{{tfdl|S-s|2024 September 30|section=Template:S-s}}
*{{tfdl|Lang-crh3|2024 November 4|section=Template:Lang-crh3}}
*:perhaps convert to something like {{tlx|lang-sr-Latn-Cyrl}} which wraps {{tlx|lang-x2}}. Example using {{tld|lang-x2}} as a mockup:
*::{{lang-crh3|Bır Hacı Geray|بیر-حاجى كراى}} ← <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline="1">{{lang-crh3|Bır Hacı Geray|بیر-حاجى كراى}}</syntaxhighlight>
*::{{lang-x2|crh|Bır Hacı Geray|script2=Arab|بیر-حاجى كراى}} ← <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline="1">{{lang-x2|crh|Bır Hacı Geray|script2=Arab|بیر-حاجى كراى}}</syntaxhighlight>
*:—] (]) 19:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|WikiProject_Buckethead_task_force|2024 November 14|section=Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force}}
*: Merge target needs clarification. The target is a wrapper of biography, but the task force is under WikiProject Guitarists which uses ]. --] (]) 13:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
*::My closing statement does not involve Musicians so as to avoid the wrapping issue. There was no consensus the last time around to merge into ''Guitarists'' and no indication in the latest TFD that the opinion had changed. ] (]) 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*Replace with {{t|Political parties in the Netherlands}} and {{t|Defunct political parties in the Netherlands}} as appropriate:
**{{tfdl|Liberal_political_parties_in_the_Netherlands|2024 December 10|section=Template:Liberal political parties in the Netherlands}}
**{{tfdl|Socialist_parties_in_the_Netherlands|2024 December 10|section=Template:Socialist parties in the Netherlands}}


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