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	The out of context statement at the top of this page should get you bounced permanently from WP. You are suggesting that I am a Holocaust denier. Among my ancestry are Jews that escaped persecution, and now this. My point, inelegantly made, was that the Holocaust was evil beyond words and that the exact number of deaths is irrelevant to this monstrosity. It is millions. You are doing this because we are in the middle of a article disagreement. This is the worst example of retribution I have seen in my 12 years at WP. It is no wonder that your block log is so lengthy. Remove this immediately. ] (]) 14:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:It's not out of context, it's a direct quote from you. I took it verbatim from the talk page. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	::Also, that quote has been up there for ages, I just put your name there now. BTW, how many Jews died in the Holocaust? You can answer now if you want. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:::It is out of context. We were talking about the evils of Nazism. Whether it is 5, 6, 7 million, it's evil and the Holocaust which you are saying I'm denying. Something like 40 million total died in WWII. There is no way that I can allow this monstrous false accusation to stay here. Last chance to remove it. ] (]) 15:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	::::Also, the Holocaust only refers to the death of six million Jews, not to the other deaths during WWII. So not sure why you are putting in the 40 million in your sentence which has no bearing on your quote. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:::::You stated that it was Holocaust denial. That's a goddamn lie. The Holocaust was one of the worst acts in Human history. The Wannsee Conference is an example I give of ultimate evil. By my ancestors, this lie will not stand. ] (]) 15:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	::::::It is a form of Holocaust denial, read the links. Stating that it's 75% or whatever, is a form of Holocaust denial. I quoted your full statement, which as {{ping\|Icewhiz}} pointed out, can't be libel. You are in violation of NLT. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:::::::Bullshit. That article says there are lots of estimates. I don't know the number. It is millions, it happened, and it was evil beyond measure. I have never denied the Holocaust. Claiming that you deny the Holocaust because you don't now the exact number is nonsensical. Calling someone a Holocaust denier who despises the Third Reich as strongly as I is sick. Remove your libel now. ] (]) 15:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:So suddenly POLEMIC is something that is enforced on Misplaced Pages? I have nothing to sanction, that is a quote that I have on my page. I'm not attacking him, and it's not libel since it's a full quote not out of context. (And are we now going to to go other editor's pages and start enforcing polemic since I've been to many that violate it, but apparently it's selectively enforced. Also, what do you mean who is right? Did six million Jews not die in the Holocaust? That is why I put the quote on top, we can't let people think it's OK to say that not so many people died in the Holocaust.) ] <sup>]</sup> 15:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	::Are you saying it is not an attack to call someone a holocaust denier? And of course it's out of context. Context includes other relevant text. ] (]) 15:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:::It's not out of context at all, it's your full quote. And denying the numbers, which you did, when you said specifically, 75% is a form of Holocaust denial. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:::From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum on "Holocaust Denial and Distortion": {{tq\|Common distortions include, for example, assertions that the figure of six million Jewish deaths is an exaggeration and that the diary of Anne Frank is a forgery.}} -note, that you used almost the exact same words (with regards to the count). ] <sup>]</sup> 15:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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	:::*So, for the record, you are again repeating the accusation that I am a Holocaust denier because I was trying to make a point that I don't think the specific number is important to the label Holocaust or its evil, correct?
	:::*So, for the record, you continue to insist that I am a Holocaust denier despite my multiple statements that the Holocaust did exist and was evil beyond all measure, correct?
	:::*So, for the record, you posted this prominently at the top of your talk page despite the fact we have never before discussed this, correct?
	:::*So, for the record, you refuse to remove this even after a warning from an admin, correct?
	:::*So, for the record, you placed my name on the quote (out of context from the entire conversation) while we were in a content dispute unrelated to the Holocaust, correct?
	:::*So, for the record, you did this without notifying me, correct? ] (]) 16:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	::::*I'm not sure what your point is. I never said you didn't say the Holocaust never happened, you just are denying six million Jews were murdered, and you are OK with saying that it can be 75% of that number. As per the Wiki article, and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, that is indeed Holocaust Denial.
	::::*The quote on my talk page is not out of context, it's a full statement of yours. It may be part of a paragraph of yours, but this is a distinct statement of yours.
	::::* I don't think I have to remove it just because Zero asked me to because Polemic is not something this encyclopedia takes seriously. We have a user page that is over 1.5MB long full of polemic, we have other user pages that is chock full of polemic. I put your quote up because you warned me once how to behave in the IP area, so I felt it was very ironic that we have people with your views editing the encyclopedia. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	::::::Okay, you have repeatedly falsely accused me of Holocaust denial and have refused to remove these attacks. I will take this elsewhere. ] (]) 16:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	:::::::OK, and note that there is a distinction between scholars debating whether it's 5.65 or 5.7 or 6 million or people claiming that people "exaggerate" the deaths, as you state. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	::::::::I said: “may have very well been exaggerated by some”. Clearly I am stating that '''some''' people exaggerated, not that the official number is an exaggeration. The official count is 6 million. But, there have been claims of 7 million and more. So, what I said, and what you call Holocaust denial, is undeniably true. Indeed, this was my point. It was millions and monstrous. ] (]) 16:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	:::::::::You then say though at the end, "Does it make it OK if it was 75% as many? Just say “substantially fewer deaths” so that is not clear. In your opinion, how many Jews died in the Holocaust? 75% of six million, is 4.5 million, which is far less than the accepted range. If you want to repudiate those statements, you may do so now. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:54, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	::::::::::I can remove all this real quickly if you resolve it, just tell me how many people died in the Holocaust. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	:::::::::::The official number from historians is around 6 million. I never said 75% of 6 million as you just suggested. I have never in my life argued against the number 6 million. I merely stated that some people have exaggerated the number. Some, as in the definition: "at least a small amount or number of people or things". How can anyone mistake that for the agreed upon number by historians? Of course some people exaggerate. Look, this was not a discussion of an article. It was a freewheeling UTP discussion about a possible essay about the fucking Nazi's that come into WP. My obvious point was that it was millions and that makes it monstrous, no matter what the exact number. And, it's stupid to exaggerate a number that is already monstrous. Since it was just a UTP discussion between a few anti-Nazi's about a prospective essay, I didn't think I'd have to dot every i as I knew no one in that discussion would think for a second that I was a Holocaust denier. ] (]) 17:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::That is not how your quote reads. Read it again. You are implying that fewer than six million died in the Holocaust, it's obviously millions, it's still bad, even if it's just 75% of six million. Again, I'm just reading your words as their written. You may wish to clarify that then. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::That’s a goddamn lie. Read it yourself without mentally inserting words and meanings that aren't there. I did NOT say 75% of six million. Why would you lie about what I said? And don't tell me what I meant. I am Jewish. Most everyone I’ve worked with for decades is Jewish. I am the descendant of Polish and Russian Jews who escaped persecution. Stop inferring what does not exist. Retract your foul accusations. ] (]) 17:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Sir Joseph,

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Sir Joseph,

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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