Talk:Toyotomi Hideyoshi: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 12:04, 30 November 2006 editGeeman (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users1,358 edits Semi-protection request← Previous edit		Latest revision as of 10:44, 6 January 2024 edit undoCewbot (talk \| contribs)Bots7,273,409 editsm Maintain {{WPBS}} and vital articles: 5 WikiProject templates. Merge {{VA}} into {{WPBS}}. Keep majority rating "C" in {{WPBS}}. Remove 4 same ratings as {{WPBS}} in {{WikiProject Biography}}, {{WikiProject Japan}}, {{WikiProject Korea}}, {{WikiProject China}}.
(213 intermediate revisions by 55 users not shown)
Line 1:		Line 1:
			{{WikiProject banner shell\|class=C\|vital=yes\|living=no\|listas=Toyotomihideyoshi\|1=
	{{WPMILHIST
			{{WikiProject Biography\|royalty-work-group=yes}}
	\|class=
			{{WikiProject Military history\|class=C\|B1=n\|B2=y\|B3=y\|B4=y\|B5=y\|Japanese=yes\|Biography=y}}
	\|importance=High
			{{WikiProject Japan\|\|importance=Top}}
	\|Japanese-task-force=yes
			{{WikiProject Korea\|importance=Mid}}
			{{WikiProject China\|importance=mid}}
			}}
			{{Archives\|auto=no\|search=yes\|
			* ]
	}}		}}
	{{WikiProject Japan}}
	{{korean}}
	{{FAOL\|Classical Chinese\|zh-classical:豐臣秀吉}}

	It is missing that during his regime Japan invaded Korea(Chosun). ]

	Please: When posting an article try to remember that part of teaching is not to assume. Therefore, please put in the country names etc. so as to clearly identify who, what, and where you are talking about.<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 15:54, 2 January 2003 .</small>

	----
	Forgive me if I am mistaking Toyotomi Hideyoshi for somebody else. Did he not instigate a "sword hunt", disarming anyone who was not a recognized ]? I've probably remembered this in some oddly garbled form, but maybe you can figure out what I am referring to, even though I sure can't. My vague recollection that such a sword hunt consolidated a long period of domestic tranquillity in Japan, at the cost of individual liberty. Or I think I read something like that. Does this make any sense? (if so maybe some mention could be made, I'll have to see if I can find my source...) -- ] 14:32 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

	Yes, i recently updated the site. Hideyoshi did require all non-samurai to disarm and give up their weapons. And indeed it did have long lasting effects. During the Sengoku period, it was much more common for peasant revolts. Hideyoshi effectively rid Japan of this problem.
	- jkorath@yahoo.com<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 03:57, 25 October 2003.</small>

	Excellent work at the last part now that the article has more than mere timeline. -- ] 04:06, Oct 25, 2003 (UTC)

	----
	The present Osaka Castle , not after World War II as the photograph tagline asserts. ] 15:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

	== "Bad" changes ==
	Unfortunately, shogun is not actual ruler, but just the practical ruler--the emperor is the actual ruler... ] 17:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)



	The crest is the symbol of Osaka Prefecture, but I don't believe it was the crest of Hideyoshi. Rather, it's an abstract design based on that crest. Does anyone have further information?<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 23:20, 22 May 2004.</small>

	--That crest is not house of Toyotomi
	.please look at this site(http://www2.harimaya.com/sengoku/html/toyo_k.html )
	That house crest called "Go-Shichi-no-Kirimon"."Go" means "five","shichi" is "Seven", and "kiri" is "paulownia".

	symbol of osaka, the orginal is "Sen-nari-hyoutan". "Sen-nari-hyoutan" is house of toyotomi's "seal of horse". It looks like flag. when daymyo-procession daimyo ride on horse but ordinary people weren't knew its face, and long procession hide it. "sen-nari-hyoutan" talled "Our daimyo is in here!".
	so, crest of osaka is not house of Toyotomi's crest.
	(from:http://www.nga.gr.jp/symbol/ohsaka/ohsaka.html)
	(Seal of horse:http://www.wul.waseda.ac.jp/TENJI/virtual/oumajirushi/)
	(sorry, I'm japanese....I can't speak and write english well) --kashiwama<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 01:05, 29 April 2006.</small>

	== Appropriate use of kanji ==
	I added kanji to the text, mostly proper nouns, and was later taken out. What I did may or may not have been appropriate. Is there a discussion somewhere on what standard applies in Misplaced Pages to the use of foreign characters in entries in other languages. Or if there is a discussion for Japanese in particular.

	:Hi Silentcity, You can find a discusssion at ] (which covers more than the title suggests). As you'll see there, there's discussion on both points of view. My post is the most recent (I think) but does not appear to have concluded the discussion. Why not read it through, think it over, and see where you stand on the matter of providing kanji in various contexts. ] 07:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Popular Culture ==

	As per ],
	:"In popular culture" sections ] unless the subject has had a well-cited and notable impact on popular culture. If present, the section should be a prose discussion of the subject's cultural significance, cited from ]. In particular, the following should be avoided:

	:* Compendiums of every trivial appearance of the subject in pop culture (])
	:* Unsupported speculation about cultural significance or fictional likenesses (])

	:This tends to be a problem in articles on military hardware (i.e. weapons, vehicles, etc.); for example, the ] and the ] may appear in any ] film, and their many appearances don't warrant an exhaustive list. On the other hand, a representing a stereotypical British revolver, or a conceptual artist's public response to the , are certainly notable.

	I suggest getting rid of the popular culture section. It sounds pretty ridiculous. Listing every movies and games like Samurai Xtreeme Superhowerkdsf stuffs and junks is stupid. (] 17:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC))

	:Because this issue pertains to large numbers of articles, I've raised the topic for discussion at ]. ] 01:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	::That would make getting rid of popular culture sections in articles much easier, Thanks. (] 02:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

			==Kamon==
	== Regarding Yi-Sunsin ==
			The article needs an image of his coat of arms.--] (]) 01:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

			== External links modified ==
	There is a problem with this article regarding the use of ]'s name in the section describing Toyotomi's failed invasion of China through Korea, and I'd like to address the issue in the discussion page so we might put a stop to this continual reverting. The argument for removing Yi-Sunsin appears to be based on the impression that he was not very significant in Toyotomi's life, which I think is debatable. However, even if we accept it as true simply mentioning the name of the admiral who opposed Toyotomi's attack does no harm to this article and leads to articles that describe the events more fully. The text that keeps getting removed does nothing to describe Yi-Sunsin personally, nor does it elaborate upon the admiral's victories. It simply states that the troops under Toyotomi were countered by the navy under Yi. That's a pretty standard way of describing such conflicts, and is far cry from diverting attention away from Toyotomi. The use of Yi-Sunsin's name is no more distracting or out of place than mentioning ] is in the biography of ]. So aside from the fact that Yi-Sunsin's actions were more signficant than I think is being assumed, I think the reference to the admiral should remain because it is nothing more than simple statement of fact. Can someone give an example that shows why Yi Sunsin should NOT be mentioned in this article?
	:I can't imagine how an article of this length on Hideyoshi can leave out a brief mention of Yi Sun-shin. From the anonymous editor's history, however, and the pattern of the edits on the other articles, I'm inclined to think it's a nationalism/vandalism problem, not a good faith dispute. ] 23:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
	::I'm inclined to agree. I suspect the solution here might actually be to elaborate upon the nature of Yi's victories in this article and make it clear that the admiral's efforts effectively ended those of Toyotomi and, arguably, had a negative effect on Toyotomi's legacy. Such an elaboration would be a good elaboration on Toyotomi and address the issue of Yi Sunsin's significance in his life.
	::<blockquote><i>Yi Sunsin's destruction of the Japanese fleet cut off the supply lines of Toyotomi's land forces, effectively strangling the invasion on the Korean peninsula.</blockquote></i>
	::Something like that might be appropriate. ] 00:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
	I agree with the mention on Yi. It was ultimately Admiral Yi who repelled the Japanese(I'm not downgrading Kwon Yul or Kim Shi-min). ] 00:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

			Hello fellow Wikipedians,
	To South Koreans.
	I publish ] from a neutral standpoint. He is a person that Japan recaptured Pyongyang and Japan. If you are neutral, it is likely to agree with this opinion.

			I have just modified 4 external links on ]. Please take a moment to review ]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit ] for additional information. I made the following changes:
	:I also agree Yi's mention should probably be expanded, certainly not deleted. I have no problem with adding properly written information on Li Rusong information, but the Japanese nationalism agenda and revert wars have to stop. ] 19:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
			*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100111060042/http://www.horyuji.or.jp/kondo.htm to http://www.horyuji.or.jp/kondo.htm
			*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100111080456/http://www.horyuji.or.jp/gojyunoto.htm to http://www.horyuji.or.jp/gojyunoto.htm
			*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100214135648/http://www1.bbiq.jp/martyrs/ListEngl.html to http://www1.bbiq.jp/martyrs/ListEngl.html
			*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080919154653/http://www.imfine.cc/hideyoshi.htm to http://www.imfine.cc/hideyoshi.htm

			When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
	Yi is deleted, and Lee is added. (Yi was not able to defend landing of Japan. However, LEE has regained a Korean peninsula.) A topic not related to the life of Toyotomi Hideyoshi is made to end by this. This treatment is a benevolence to the South Korean. Please consent.

			{{sourcecheck\|checked=false\|needhelp=}}
	::It should be informed that it is largely through Admiral Yi's efforts that the Japanese retreated. His attacks on Japanese supply ships weakened Japanese forces on land, which prevented them from successfully attacking and fighting Korean/Chinese forces.

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 12:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
	::Also, although you are right that Admiral Yi did not stop the Japanese from landing, he stopped the Japanese from further occupying Korea. ] 20:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

			== A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion ==
	:::I think it's worthwhile to mention both Yi and Lee in this article. We needn't delve into their relative contributions to Toyotomi's defeat but their names should be mentioned for those who want to get more information on the conflict. Yi did not manage to defeat Toyotomi's land forces, but would the defeat of those forces have happened the way it did if not for his efforts? It's worth including Yi if only to fully describe the nature of that conflict. ] 11:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
			The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2021-09-21T02:24:17.224062 \| Azuchimomoyama-japan.png -->
			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 02:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

			==spaces in his Japanese names?==
	== Semi-protection request ==
			That's not standard in Japanese (reference: https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/japanese-culture/japanese-culture-naming)... so why is it being done here?--] (]) 16:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

			:Not an issue. Even the Japanese Misplaced Pages does that in the first paragraph of every single article about a person. ] (]) 23:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
	OK, folks, I've gone ahead and requested semi-protection for this page since the (anonymous) user who continually reverts the page has not entered into the discussion to justify those changes, but continues to revert it anyway. Oh, well. ] 12:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:44, 6 January 2024

This

level-4 vital article is rated C-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Royalty and Nobility

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Misplaced Pages's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility.

Military history: Biography / Asian / Japanese

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military biography task force
	Asian military history task force
	Japanese military history task force

Japan Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project, participate in relevant discussions, and see lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 18:31, December 26, 2024 (JST, Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related

Top

This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Japan to do list:

Peer review: None
A-class review: None

Featured content candidates –

Articles: None
Pictures: None
Lists: None

Good article nominations: Vinland Saga (TV series), Godzilla Minus One
Add requested images to articles that need them.
Pages for Deletion: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions.
Improve and expand Japan-related stubs.
Create some requested articles.
Help translate an article from the Japanese Misplaced Pages into English.
Assess unassessed articles

Korea Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Korea, a collaborative effort to build and improve articles related to Korea. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how use this banner, please refer to the documentation.KoreaWikipedia:WikiProject KoreaTemplate:WikiProject KoreaKorea-related
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

China Mid‑importance

	China portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

till end of 2013

Kamon

The article needs an image of his coat of arms.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Azuchimomoyama-japan.png

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 02:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

spaces in his Japanese names?

That's not standard in Japanese (reference: https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/japanese-culture/japanese-culture-naming)... so why is it being done here?--KimYunmi (talk) 16:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Not an issue. Even the Japanese Misplaced Pages does that in the first paragraph of every single article about a person. 93.124.52.134 (talk) 23:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Categories: