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			== Reducing the Ideologies ==
	: One seat in 2003 federal elections, 5 in the 2004 flemish elections, on a shared list with CD&V. ]

			Looking at the infobox, it looks there are too many. I propose reducing them to two. The ideologies are below:
	In the 5th Paragraph where the text moves to 1st person - can someone claify whether this is a quotation, or needs to be edited into encylopaedic style. --] 21:17, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
			*Flemish nationalism
			*Conservatism

			This doesn't include getting rid of the historical ideology and positions.
	== liberalism ==

			] (]) 20:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
	I've added liberalism to the party's ideology. The chairman of the liberal organization ] has now become part of the party, and ] represents a liberal faction. ] 17:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	:You really can't call a party liberal because some marginal politicians, looking for a new party, joined it. --] 18:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	::It is undeniable that Dedecker is a liberal faction in the N-VA, or do you beg to differ? What about Storme's liberal conservatism? Or the conservatism of De Wever? ] 18:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

			:Flemish nationalism and conservatism is fine as far as solutions go.-- ] (]) 20:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
	== cartel ==
			::I'd keep separatism too as it is certainly known for this. ] (]) 21:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

			:::Flemish nationalism, encompassing separatism, and conservatism as enough! --] (]) 08:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
	CD&V broke the cartel . ] 18:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
			::::I would agree that there is no need for “separatism” if Flemish nationalism is listed, and is a more specific description as well. The separatism and regionalism references are best left to the article body, IMO.— ] (]) 09:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Yea we do need more ideologies ] (]) 10:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::Including even more ideologies is not the purpose of an infobox. ] (]) 09:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
			:::::OK, I agree with this. ] (]) 09:40, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I'll change the infobox soon. ] (]) 11:06, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::Alas, there is no need of "pro-Europeanism"—and the party has always been centre-right (a minor left-wing faction splintered at some point, but it was so small that it did not create any damage to the party). Thus, feeling bold, I am going to remove "pro-Europeanism" and "big tent". --] (]) 21:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::Okay :) {{ping\|Checco}} Also, I've started a conversation of reducing the ideologies of Vlaams Belang too on its talk page. ] (]) 21:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::Currently, the introduction states that the N-VA is eurosceptic, while they fight for an independent Flanders in a strong EU. They sometimes criticize the bureaucracy within the EU and want to reform it completely, but they do fight for a kind of confederal model at European level, where each member state has rights and obligations.
			::::::::By calling the party eurosceptic, they seem anti-EU. Later in the article I read soft-eurosceptic, I think this should also be in the introduction. ] (]) 08:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::The N-VA has become more and more liberal in the last 8 years, currently even the most liberal party according to well-known journalists such as Ivan De Vadder and Isolde Van den Eynde. So I think it is useful to include this, the party is still ethically conservative, although that has decreased enormously. ] (]) 08:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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Reducing the Ideologies

Looking at the infobox, it looks there are too many. I propose reducing them to two. The ideologies are below:

Flemish nationalism
Conservatism

This doesn't include getting rid of the historical ideology and positions.

ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 20:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Flemish nationalism and conservatism is fine as far as solutions go.-- Autospark (talk) 20:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd keep separatism too as it is certainly known for this. Vacant0 (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Flemish nationalism, encompassing separatism, and conservatism as enough! --Checco (talk) 08:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I would agree that there is no need for “separatism” if Flemish nationalism is listed, and is a more specific description as well. The separatism and regionalism references are best left to the article body, IMO.— Autospark (talk) 09:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Yea we do need more ideologies 2A02:C7F:A638:AA00:6942:B56:BB4B:97A4 (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Including even more ideologies is not the purpose of an infobox. Vacant0 (talk) 09:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, I agree with this. Vacant0 (talk) 09:40, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll change the infobox soon. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Alas, there is no need of "pro-Europeanism"—and the party has always been centre-right (a minor left-wing faction splintered at some point, but it was so small that it did not create any damage to the party). Thus, feeling bold, I am going to remove "pro-Europeanism" and "big tent". --Checco (talk) 21:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay :) @Checco: Also, I've started a conversation of reducing the ideologies of Vlaams Belang too on its talk page. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Currently, the introduction states that the N-VA is eurosceptic, while they fight for an independent Flanders in a strong EU. They sometimes criticize the bureaucracy within the EU and want to reform it completely, but they do fight for a kind of confederal model at European level, where each member state has rights and obligations.

By calling the party eurosceptic, they seem anti-EU. Later in the article I read soft-eurosceptic, I think this should also be in the introduction. Davos storm (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The N-VA has become more and more liberal in the last 8 years, currently even the most liberal party according to well-known journalists such as Ivan De Vadder and Isolde Van den Eynde. So I think it is useful to include this, the party is still ethically conservative, although that has decreased enormously. Davos storm (talk) 08:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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