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			== New edits (Feb 2012) ==
⚫	:The group rejects the ] and the idea that ] is passed down through a person's mother. They also believe that modern-day ]s are not the descendants of the ] of Israel, and that modern day Jews have stolen the religion, language and culture of the "true Jews" drawing parallels to both ] and ] movement.

			Page give a much needed update with some referenced info. I've only put in the stuff which really concerns me though - if anyone has sourced info about lifestyle, health, outreach, etc those would really help. Also, I have lots of (uncopyrighted) photos which I could upload some of - if anyone seconds the suggestion. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Vegan Restaurants, African American Topics? ==
			The vegan restaurants are located in the United States, not Israel- and are delicious. They have several communities here as well, i think the big one is in Chicago??. If i were a wikipedia editor, I'd call Soul Veg in Atlanta for more info. they also have a website...
			] 23:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

			== Drama==
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		⚫	:The group rejects the ] and the idea that ] is passed down through a person's mother. They also believe that modern-day ]s are not the descendants of the ] of Israel, and that modern day Jews have stolen the religion, language and culture of the "true Jews" drawing parallels to both ] and ] movement.
	as I could find no evidence of this.] 21:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)		as I could find no evidence of this.] 21:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


	well do more research on them cuz ur an idiot, they do believe all that. they think modern white jews are from ]
			::Could you prove that ? I don't find anything about this idea. . 24 june 2007.

			:I've rewritten the (previously restored) passage in language more suitable to an encyclopedia. However, the suggested mention of the ] in particular would require a citation I don't have. (Noted on ].) ''-- 00:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)''

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	== African American Topics? ==		== African American Topics? ==

	How exactly is this an African American topic if they are in Israel? ] 07:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)		How exactly is this an African American topic if they are in Israel? ] 07:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
			:According to the page's Edit summary of ] on April 21, 2007: ''"This topic is an Afriacn-American, as are all the members of this group."'' While ensuing generations have been born in ], the African-American identity of leader and entire founding generation may be viewed as a key feature of this religious group, regardless of its overseas location. ''-- ] 20:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)''

			== Polygamy vs. Polygyny ==

			In a recent cleanup edit of the ], I'd moved the sentence "They practice ]" under the heading of '''Religious beliefs''' from its previous location in the initial paragraph—where it struck me as sensationalistic and out of place for an encyclopedia article. I also rewrote it as "]," in keeping with what I understand of the community (i.e. that men may take multiple wives but not the reverse). However, I was unable to provide a citation for this, and Misplaced Pages disallows ]. Therefore, when reverting ]'s removal of this content, I restored "]" as consistent with the originally cited source. This may require further checking. ''-- ] 15:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)''

			== Remove Reference of Polygamy!!!!!! ==
			Its so random, why add a random sentence that when removed doesnt make the paragraph look akward and not add the other information. I believe author trying to make the group look bad... <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 19:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
			:You are mistaken in two points:
			:*The sentence about polygamy is by no means ''random'': it had been written on the page in an earlier edit, complete with a from a web source. The move under a heading is explained above.
			:*This accusation that ''" author trying to make the group look bad"'' is unfounded. The material in this article has been written from a ], citations of sources are included, and numerous editors have contributed to it. Polygamy is, unless proven otherwise, an accurate point of information about this group, and belongs in a description of its beliefs and practices. No value judgment is implied (except in your comment here). <Br>
			:The page's Edit history shows that you have repeatedly removed the ] content despite the fact that it's accompanied by a citation. An editor having sourced knowledge of contradicting facts can ] those and ]. Until such information is provided, removing this text is inappropriate and will be reverted. ''-- ] 20:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)''

			w/e, all i was the sentence was random, and it was! Mention of polygamy but no mention of birth control forbidden? but sentence aint so random now, so i win.....

			torrez3390@yahoo.com is my email for verification... Having spernt some time with the african hebrew israelites in atlanta personally I will verify that they do practice polygyny and not polygamy... meaning that only the men are allowed to have multiple wives. The reverse of women having more than one husband is strictly prohibited. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== name of this group ==

			I have never heard anyone use the name "African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem." They are known in Israel as the Black Hebrews (or the Black Hebrews of Dimona). The official name may be "Original African Hebrew Israelite Nation of Jerusalem," but I still think the name of the article should be Black Hebrews.--] 07:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

			== disambiguation ==

			disambiguation of wikilink to genesis <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			Genesis now links to Book of Genesis, not disambiguation page - thanks for spotting that. --] (]) 17:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

			== Haaretz interview ==
			in this section it was mention that this paper is one of the most popular newspaper in israel. this is entirely incorrect, the newspaper circulation is roughly 5 percent from the total of all newspapers, and thus he's entirely unpopular (for comparison, the 3 big newspapers in israel circulations are 38, 36, 13 percents) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Duplicate articles? ==

			Can somebody please tell me why we have this article ''and'' the ] article? Furthermore, there should be a group where the words, "African Americans mainly in the United States who believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites" does not apply. There ''are'' black Jews in Israel, who are distinct from this African American group. ] (]) 00:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

			:] is about a number of groups with a wide range of beliefs and practices. This article is about a specific group located primarily in Israel.
			:With respect to ] who are not Black Hebrews, they exist around the world. Please feel free to find sources about them, and write about them. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 03:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

			: Mailk pretty much covered it, but yes... This is an article about the specific group located primarily in Dimona, who followed the teachings of Ben-Ammi. They differ theologically, and in their history, from many other Black Hebrew groups. The other article is a general parent article of the movement. There are many other such articles about the groups of which you speak of, such as the ]. In addition to other less well-known groups, who hail from Africa, and have made aliyah. They are all clearly distinguished from this group, and from Black Hebrew Israelites in general; their history and practises are detailed in their respective articles. Hope that helps. ] (]) 08:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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			== New Edits (Nov. 13 2018) ==

			After reading about this topic from credible books and other sources, I wanted to add some information to this page. I also added a small section "Liberia 1967-1969" for when the group resided there. I know the quote is a bit long but I felt it provided good insight into the group's sentiments at the time. '''I have not deleted anyone else's work'''; but I ''have'' rearranged some parts to help with the organization. Please let me know if there are any questions on what I have added!
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			==March 2021 deportation orders==
			To add to this article: mention of Israel's deportation orders against more than 40 African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem families, issued in April 2021. ] (]) 02:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
			:This is still in the news. ] ] 16:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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New edits (Feb 2012)

Page give a much needed update with some referenced info. I've only put in the stuff which really concerns me though - if anyone has sourced info about lifestyle, health, outreach, etc those would really help. Also, I have lots of (uncopyrighted) photos which I could upload some of - if anyone seconds the suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yintov (talk • contribs) 00:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Vegan Restaurants, African American Topics?

The vegan restaurants are located in the United States, not Israel- and are delicious. They have several communities here as well, i think the big one is in Chicago??. If i were a wikipedia editor, I'd call Soul Veg in Atlanta for more info. they also have a website... 68.14.108.173 23:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Drama

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The group rejects the Talmud and the idea that Judaism is passed down through a person's mother. They also believe that modern-day Jews are not the descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, and that modern day Jews have stolen the religion, language and culture of the "true Jews" drawing parallels to both cults and Christian Identity movement.

as I could find no evidence of this.Harrypotter 21:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Could you prove that ? I don't find anything about this idea. Christophe Cagé. 24 june 2007.

I've rewritten the (previously restored) passage in language more suitable to an encyclopedia. However, the suggested mention of the Khazars in particular would require a citation I don't have. (Noted on Deananoby2's Talk page.) -- 00:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Spelling of name

The book "God, the Black Man, and Truth" has the author's name spelled "Ben Ammi." Why is it being spelled "Ben Ami" here? Badagnani 12:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

African American Topics?

How exactly is this an African American topic if they are in Israel? Chooserr 07:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

According to the page's Edit summary of YegerMeister on April 21, 2007: "This topic is an Afriacn-American, as are all the members of this group." While ensuing generations have been born in Israel, the African-American identity of leader and entire founding generation may be viewed as a key feature of this religious group, regardless of its overseas location. -- Deborahjay 20:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Polygamy vs. Polygyny

In a recent cleanup edit of the page, I'd moved the sentence "They practice polygamy" under the heading of Religious beliefs from its previous location in the initial paragraph—where it struck me as sensationalistic and out of place for an encyclopedia article. I also rewrote it as "polygyny," in keeping with what I understand of the community (i.e. that men may take multiple wives but not the reverse). However, I was unable to provide a citation for this, and Misplaced Pages disallows original research. Therefore, when reverting another's removal of this content, I restored "polygamy" as consistent with the originally cited source. This may require further checking. -- Deborahjay 15:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Remove Reference of Polygamy!!!!!!

Its so random, why add a random sentence that when removed doesnt make the paragraph look akward and not add the other information. I believe author trying to make the group look bad... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

You are mistaken in two points:

The sentence about polygamy is by no means random: it had been written on the page in an earlier edit, complete with a citation from a web source. The move under a heading is explained above.
This accusation that " author trying to make the group look bad" is unfounded. The material in this article has been written from a neutral point of view, citations of sources are included, and numerous editors have contributed to it. Polygamy is, unless proven otherwise, an accurate point of information about this group, and belongs in a description of its beliefs and practices. No value judgment is implied (except in your comment here).

The page's Edit history shows that you have repeatedly removed the polygamy content despite the fact that it's accompanied by a citation. An editor having sourced knowledge of contradicting facts can cite those and edit according to Misplaced Pages policy. Until such information is provided, removing this text is inappropriate and will be reverted. -- Deborahjay 20:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

w/e, all i was the sentence was random, and it was! Mention of polygamy but no mention of birth control forbidden? but sentence aint so random now, so i win.....

torrez3390@yahoo.com is my email for verification... Having spernt some time with the african hebrew israelites in atlanta personally I will verify that they do practice polygyny and not polygamy... meaning that only the men are allowed to have multiple wives. The reverse of women having more than one husband is strictly prohibited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.221.102.44 (talk) 22:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

name of this group

I have never heard anyone use the name "African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem." They are known in Israel as the Black Hebrews (or the Black Hebrews of Dimona). The official name may be "Original African Hebrew Israelite Nation of Jerusalem," but I still think the name of the article should be Black Hebrews.--Gilabrand 07:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

disambiguation

disambiguation of wikilink to genesis — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfPolySci45 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Genesis now links to Book of Genesis, not disambiguation page - thanks for spotting that. --Yintov (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Haaretz interview

in this section it was mention that this paper is one of the most popular newspaper in israel. this is entirely incorrect, the newspaper circulation is roughly 5 percent from the total of all newspapers, and thus he's entirely unpopular (for comparison, the 3 big newspapers in israel circulations are 38, 36, 13 percents) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.72.225.222 (talk) 12:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate articles?

Can somebody please tell me why we have this article and the Black Hebrew Israelites article? Furthermore, there should be a group where the words, "African Americans mainly in the United States who believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites" does not apply. There are black Jews in Israel, who are distinct from this African American group. Savvyjack23 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Black Hebrew Israelites is about a number of groups with a wide range of beliefs and practices. This article is about a specific group located primarily in Israel.

With respect to black Jews who are not Black Hebrews, they exist around the world. Please feel free to find sources about them, and write about them. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 03:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Mailk pretty much covered it, but yes... This is an article about the specific group located primarily in Dimona, who followed the teachings of Ben-Ammi. They differ theologically, and in their history, from many other Black Hebrew groups. The other article is a general parent article of the movement. There are many other such articles about the groups of which you speak of, such as the Beta Israel. In addition to other less well-known groups, who hail from Africa, and have made aliyah. They are all clearly distinguished from this group, and from Black Hebrew Israelites in general; their history and practises are detailed in their respective articles. Hope that helps. Quinto Simmaco (talk) 08:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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New Edits (Nov. 13 2018)

After reading about this topic from credible books and other sources, I wanted to add some information to this page. I also added a small section "Liberia 1967-1969" for when the group resided there. I know the quote is a bit long but I felt it provided good insight into the group's sentiments at the time. I have not deleted anyone else's work; but I have rearranged some parts to help with the organization. Please let me know if there are any questions on what I have added! (-- Rebecca -- My original work: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:RebeccaHUNY/sandbox) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebeccaHUNY (talk • contribs) 18:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

March 2021 deportation orders

To add to this article: mention of Israel's deportation orders against more than 40 African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem families, issued in April 2021. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

This is still in the news. Doug Weller talk 16:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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