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== Original "Tea Party" VS RINO "Tea Party Patriots" == | |||
During Ron Paul's bid for presidency, the "Tea Party Patriots" (red white & blue "Shield / flag" logo) ran an online discussion board called "Tea Party Patriots" - teapartypatriots.ning.com: | |||
Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20101001205028/http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/ | |||
They were the Republican RINO group that promoted Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney and actively demonized RON PAUL and his stands on Non-intervention, "End the Fed" positions etc. and dismissed the "Original" "Tea Party" members who followed Ron Paul as well as dismissing Ron Paul as "the crazy uncle" to derail the true Tea Party movement. | |||
{{notice|There is a moderated discussion taking place on ] which is aiming to get consensus on a broadly stable and balanced version of the article. The discussion is open to all, and more participants are welcome. ''']''' ''']''' 22:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)}} | |||
RINO backed Radio hosts Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Mark Levin all slandered Ron Paul by dismissing him as "the crazy uncle". | |||
== Fixing Dead links/Some Citation-needed == | |||
At that time the (RINO) Republican Party would explain to the public at all the local republican headquarters that they were promoting Gingrich, Santorum and Romney and explained to people that "they", the Republican Party, "were" the "Tea Party". | |||
Citation Needed:<br> | |||
This clever move by RINOs who derailed the Original RON PAUL "Tea Party" (for Constitutional Originalism) movement into the Republican "Tea Party Patriots" (Corporate Capitalist so called Conservative) movement. This occurred from 2007 to 2012. | |||
References to the Boston Tea Party were part of Tax Day protests held in the 1990s and before. In 1984, David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch of Koch Industries founded Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), a conservative political group whose self-described mission was "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." Congressman Ron Paul was appointed as the first chairman of the organization. The CSE lobbied for policies favorable to corporations, particularly tobacco companies. - https://www.citizen.org/sites/default/files/citizens_for_a_sound_economy_report.pdf<br> | |||
I was active both on the teapartypatriots.ning.com discussion board defending Ron Paul as well as being active in the Ron Paul original "Tea Party" discussion board called the "Daily Paul" that promoted Ron Paul http://www.dailypaul.com: | |||
Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20080701000000*/http://www.dailypaul.com | |||
New/archived sources for dead links:<br> | |||
I and others battled the RINO's on the "Tea Party Patriot" discussion board for months in support of Ron Paul and to educate others to who the "Tea Party Patriots" were and what they were doing. | |||
The present "Tea Party Patriots" may still be influenced or backed by Newt Gingrich (the RINO who allowed Bill Clinton to run over all of us in the west when he was Speaker), Rick Santorum ...and others, possibly still even Mitt Romney who the "Tea Party Patriots" Promoted in the 2012 Election. | |||
30. http://scholarship.kentlaw.iit.edu/fac_schol/546/<br> | |||
Understanding the True "Tea Party" movement, (or even Trumps Movement, which follows many of Ron Paul's non-intervention and other policies) so the cause is not derailed again is important as RINO's will try to make "similarities" of "causes" to get close and then veer people in the wrong direction. | |||
73. https://web.archive.org/web/20090308214530/http://www.freedomworks.org/press-releases/dick-armey-to-lead-citizens-for-a-sound-economy<br> | |||
Links referring to Ron Paul Tea Party VS RINO's can be found on the old American Patriot Party (of Oregon) website: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/ | |||
92. https://web.archive.org/web/20100111031916/https://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/15/the-tea-party-revolution<br> | |||
Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717105509/http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/ | |||
Submitted by Richard Taylor, American Patriot Party: http://www.americanpatriotparty.com <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
110. https://web.archive.org/web/20110224231955/http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-tea-party-ads-20100919,0,5669482.story<br> | |||
:What exactly are you proposing to change in the article? The links you give are not ]. If you want to portray anybody in that movement as anything other than a crazy uncle (or aunt), you will probably encounter difficulties in finding reliable sources saying so. --] (]) 06:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
112. https://web.archive.org/web/20110815083243/http://video.foxnews.com/v/3924410/worst-case-scenario-no-3/<br> | |||
== Original History of "Tea Party" Political Momentum == | |||
== Misinformation: Desire to repeal 14 Amendment == | |||
Related to the links supporting the reference to the T-Party as the recent culmination of the tobacco direct enfluence on the democratic process here are a couple of links. | |||
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/instance/4078698/bin/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815f01.jpg, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23396417/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0 | |||
This also bears a relation to the reference to Ron Paul taking the chair of the CSE. | |||
In an emmotionally neutral space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil. | |||
How have Philip Morris Brown & Williamson Lorillard RJ Reynolds furthered democracy with financial backing for Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, TASSC to enter a neutral political space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil? ChatGPT: It is not accurate to say that Philip Morris, Brown & Williamson, Lorillard, and RJ Reynolds furthered democracy by providing financial backing to organizations such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, and TASSC. | |||
These tobacco companies have a long history of engaging in deceptive and manipulative practices to protect their profits and influence public policy in their favor. They have been known to fund and support organizations that advocate for policies that benefit the tobacco industry, such as opposing tobacco taxes and smoking bans, while downplaying the health risks of smoking and targeting vulnerable communities. | |||
Towards the end of the fourth paragraph of the "Agenda" section, it states that "Several constitutional amendments have been targeted by some in the movement for full or partial repeal, including the 14th, 16th, and 17th." The article cited for this information makes no mention of wanting to repeal the 14th, only the 16th and 17th, in addition to adding a "Repeal Amendment." I see this as a potentially significant error in the section because it could make a serious implication that, without proper evidence, the Tea Party movement supports unequal rights and potentially racism. If they do in fact wish to repeal the 14th, there needs to be other information cited and have this topic expanded upon, explaining why they want it repealed, including potentially less than honorable tendencies if that is a valid and sensible claim according to provided trustworthy (i.e. unbiased and factual) information. ] (]) 05:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
While it is important for all voices to be heard in a democratic society, it is concerning when corporate interests use their wealth and power to sway public opinion and policy in their favor. It is crucial for citizens to be aware of these tactics and to critically evaluate the sources of information and influence in public discourse. | |||
This is not to mention that such a movement to repeal that amendment would seem to contradict the spirit of the movement described in the rest of the article. ] (]) 06:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
== Trump not "President" in 2015! == | |||
== Suggestion (grammatical) == | |||
A sourced sentence near the bottom of the article refers to President Donald Trump. The source was written in Aug. 2015 when he was one of numerous candidates. Even saying "future president" would not be a correct usage of the sourced material as he was a third-generation real estate investor at the time. If anything, it would only be correct terminology to say "businessman Donald Trump". ] (]) 12:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
Consider replacing the word '''over''', in the last sentence of the first paragraph, with '''more than''' | |||
:Fixed. --] (]) 14:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
:''...various polls in 2013 estimate that slightly '''over''' 10 percent of Americans identify as part of the movement.'' | |||
::Thanks for the fix. ] (]) 15:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
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== Why "was"? == | ||
The related organizations – e.g., ] – still exist. Why are past tenses used in the article? ] (]) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
: If history hadn't been rewritten it would. But the 2007 origin of the Tea Party movement has fallen down the memory hole. ] | ] 12:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Original "Tea Party" VS RINO "Tea Party Patriots"
During Ron Paul's bid for presidency, the "Tea Party Patriots" (red white & blue "Shield / flag" logo) ran an online discussion board called "Tea Party Patriots" - teapartypatriots.ning.com:
Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20101001205028/http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/
They were the Republican RINO group that promoted Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney and actively demonized RON PAUL and his stands on Non-intervention, "End the Fed" positions etc. and dismissed the "Original" "Tea Party" members who followed Ron Paul as well as dismissing Ron Paul as "the crazy uncle" to derail the true Tea Party movement.
RINO backed Radio hosts Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Mark Levin all slandered Ron Paul by dismissing him as "the crazy uncle".
At that time the (RINO) Republican Party would explain to the public at all the local republican headquarters that they were promoting Gingrich, Santorum and Romney and explained to people that "they", the Republican Party, "were" the "Tea Party".
This clever move by RINOs who derailed the Original RON PAUL "Tea Party" (for Constitutional Originalism) movement into the Republican "Tea Party Patriots" (Corporate Capitalist so called Conservative) movement. This occurred from 2007 to 2012.
I was active both on the teapartypatriots.ning.com discussion board defending Ron Paul as well as being active in the Ron Paul original "Tea Party" discussion board called the "Daily Paul" that promoted Ron Paul http://www.dailypaul.com:
Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20080701000000*/http://www.dailypaul.com
I and others battled the RINO's on the "Tea Party Patriot" discussion board for months in support of Ron Paul and to educate others to who the "Tea Party Patriots" were and what they were doing.
The present "Tea Party Patriots" may still be influenced or backed by Newt Gingrich (the RINO who allowed Bill Clinton to run over all of us in the west when he was Speaker), Rick Santorum ...and others, possibly still even Mitt Romney who the "Tea Party Patriots" Promoted in the 2012 Election.
Understanding the True "Tea Party" movement, (or even Trumps Movement, which follows many of Ron Paul's non-intervention and other policies) so the cause is not derailed again is important as RINO's will try to make "similarities" of "causes" to get close and then veer people in the wrong direction.
Links referring to Ron Paul Tea Party VS RINO's can be found on the old American Patriot Party (of Oregon) website: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/
Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717105509/http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/
Submitted by Richard Taylor, American Patriot Party: http://www.americanpatriotparty.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C55:7900:D9A:A828:65A4:C9FA:58 (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- What exactly are you proposing to change in the article? The links you give are not reliable sources. If you want to portray anybody in that movement as anything other than a crazy uncle (or aunt), you will probably encounter difficulties in finding reliable sources saying so. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Original History of "Tea Party" Political Momentum
Related to the links supporting the reference to the T-Party as the recent culmination of the tobacco direct enfluence on the democratic process here are a couple of links. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/instance/4078698/bin/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815f01.jpg, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23396417/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0 This also bears a relation to the reference to Ron Paul taking the chair of the CSE. In an emmotionally neutral space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil. How have Philip Morris Brown & Williamson Lorillard RJ Reynolds furthered democracy with financial backing for Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, TASSC to enter a neutral political space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil? ChatGPT: It is not accurate to say that Philip Morris, Brown & Williamson, Lorillard, and RJ Reynolds furthered democracy by providing financial backing to organizations such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, and TASSC.
These tobacco companies have a long history of engaging in deceptive and manipulative practices to protect their profits and influence public policy in their favor. They have been known to fund and support organizations that advocate for policies that benefit the tobacco industry, such as opposing tobacco taxes and smoking bans, while downplaying the health risks of smoking and targeting vulnerable communities.
While it is important for all voices to be heard in a democratic society, it is concerning when corporate interests use their wealth and power to sway public opinion and policy in their favor. It is crucial for citizens to be aware of these tactics and to critically evaluate the sources of information and influence in public discourse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiIndie (talk • contribs) 21:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Trump not "President" in 2015!
A sourced sentence near the bottom of the article refers to President Donald Trump. The source was written in Aug. 2015 when he was one of numerous candidates. Even saying "future president" would not be a correct usage of the sourced material as he was a third-generation real estate investor at the time. If anything, it would only be correct terminology to say "businessman Donald Trump". 173.23.42.9 (talk) 12:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed. --Hob Gadling (talk) 14:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the fix. 173.23.42.9 (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Why "was"?
The related organizations – e.g., Tea Party Patriots – still exist. Why are past tenses used in the article? 93.45.229.98 (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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