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| I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, ], or ]. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, ] (]) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Dividing ] into two or three articles == | |||
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| AfD?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 18:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the ], but in short, the name ] throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.] (]) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| AfD: ] --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 17:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Renaming the ] to Democratic Party (Poland) == | |||
| And while we are at it, let's deal with ].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I belive that the ] should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? ] (]) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Polish statehood == | |||
| == Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate? == | |||
| Would anyone like to accept the challenge of expanding four articles related to early Polish statehood? They have been stubs for a while, and I thought about nominating them for deletion; however, the presence of interwikis suggests that editors on other WPs think it's a worthwhile topic (even if the articles are mostly translations of en). | |||
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| ] (]) 19:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Even if they are stubs today, each has the potential to be expanded into articles like ], and (to a lesser extent) articles about later reincarnation of the Polish state (], ], ] and such). We may however consider merging of some of the above articles.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Exactly. My message was an invitation to expand those articles. ] (]) 20:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) ] (]) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Ghirla insists he was a Czech painter and has other 'great' ideas how to improve this article. Comments appreciated.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 18:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Canvassing again? Sigh... --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 18:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ghirlandajo, could you explain your concerns? Regional notice boards are designed for collaborating on articles related to those regions, and soliciting comments is part of that process. In fact, you do the same thing on the ]. ] (]) 16:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| == Polabian Slavs == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran ] 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I am uncertain about the title and content of ]. Clarification and/or feedback at ] would be appreciated. ] 01:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| This important naming convention is near completion, with annoucements at NC, RfC/P and VP(P) - so if you have not read it, or want to make some comments, now is the time. Barring serious issues being raised, this will become an official guideline in the near future.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| This article is currently a stub, but it has a lot of resources in Polish, English and French language. It would be nice if somebody could destub this article. And there is another problem, the name of article. Should it be: | |||
| * Artur Żmijewski (movie maker) | |||
| * Artur Żmijewski (filmmaker), or | |||
| * Artur Żmijewski (film director)? ] 23:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I think film director is the more proper term, but there are users with better 'feel' of the language than me. Logologist?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 06:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| After a valid question was raised (per title), Ghirla noted that the editors should concentrate on that topic instead of wasting time on 'nonesense' such as Soviet crimes. After I replied that Soviet crimes are notable as well, I was accussed (by other editors) of 'horrendous slur' and 'aggressive and revisionist behaviour'. Perhaps some of you would like to comment on the situtation? Especially since this discussion is in other places...--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 21:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Polish articles by quality== | |||
| There are ], ], ]...heck, there are ] :D Who would be interesting in maintaining ]? See ].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 17:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Two Polish biographies nominated for deletion== | |||
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| I'm posting about these here, since some of the sources used were in Polish, so it would be helpful to have Polish-speakers participate in the deletion discussions. --] 20:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Not that I think it is an important piece of info, but... we have articles about many smaller masts. What's wrong with this one?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 05:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==An interesting case of copyright paranoia== | |||
| See ] and ]. And the worst thing is that he seems to be right: ]... --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 22:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Filharmonie i opery== | |||
| Kiedy ktoś będzie miał czas to trzeba uzupełnić artykuł http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_concert_halls o filharmonie w Polsce: http://pl.wikipedia.org/Filharmonia. Chyba wszystkie inne kraje europejskie mają wypisane, tylko Polska nie. To samo z operami: trzeba je wpisać w http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_opera_houses ze spisu: http://pl.wikipedia.org/Polskie_teatry_operowe. Pozdrawiam. ] 15:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Interesting discussion centered around NPOV issues. Comments appreciated. For a more bizzare discussion, see ] - fortunatly that user refrains from editing articles (so far).--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 00:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Update: increasingly ugly revert war and deteriorating discussion. Civil comments and cool heads needed to stabilize situation.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 09:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Page moves == | |||
| I have ] for four of the Wielkopolska Uprising articles plus the disambig. I had previously supported the current title but have now reversed my position. The voting for all articles will take place on the ]. Please share your thoughts. ] (]) 22:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == white or grey == | |||
| Copied from ] per 'no response'. | |||
| Polish flag is white-red not grey-red. Look here for example KRID | |||
| :Well, not so clear, see Flag of Poland for more details. The question is - should we stick to the law or to the common usage, the president webside included? My preference is for the latter (i.e. "white"). That's less surprising. However, the Flag of Poland article, which discusses the matter in details, should present the correct ("grey") color (or both). Comments? --Beaumont (@) 09:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Indeed, I find "grey" somehow surprising. Have you seen it anywhere? Nothing is explained. AFAIK, the surprise is not recommended, yet the color is justified by the law. If you express your preference to follow the above proposition I'll do it. Any other suggestions?--] ] 19:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| See, unfortunately, we are not free to invent reality at Misplaced Pages, but instead have the duty to report it. When the Polish flag was legally defined in 1980, likely no one thought about how it should be displayed on a shining computer screen. Consequently, the law as it exists today, specifies a shade of white which, according to thoughtful people who have been discussing this matter on the Polish Misplaced Pages talk page ] and updating the article ] (and the English interwiki equivalent at ]) have reasonably arived at a calculation for the white of the flag, which, on a bright, luminescent computer screen -- which after all, is a source of light, and not a reflecting surface like an actual flag in real life -- '''does appear a bit gray'''. But that's only so because of contrast: If you viewed the page, instead, on a black/dark background, you would not have the sensation of seeing gray. It would look white. | |||
| As we know from comparing sheets of white paper, some white is whiter than other. Polish law, for better or worse, has carefully described the whiteness of the white of the flag, and this legal whiteness has in turn been calculated recently for display on the computer screen by Polish Wikipedians. If, in the future, Polish law says something else about the display of the flag on computer screens, then we will of course update the depiction of the flag once again. For now, however, I ask, what is more factual? Simplistically assuming the whitest white of the computer screen -- a lightbulb, really -- or present the shade of white (and the shade of crimson stipulated by the same law) faithfully, according to the letter of the law? I invite thouse who can, to follow the discussion on the Polish Misplaced Pages, where it has been going on for quite a while. There is no need to campaign for the pure white of the flag under every article that makes use of the flag. I suggest that on the English Misplaced Pages, the correct place for the English-language discussion is at ]. The matter has also been raised at the ], since the repeated mutual reverts of the uploaded newly computed flag versions have led to the freezing the old flag versions as protected files, for now. But I suggest that the center of the sustained discussion and offered expertise is on the Polish Misplaced Pages talk page for ], not on ] or ], or even here. Let's keep the conversation focused and factual, as opposed to wage a campaign of agitation for one point of view or another wherever possible, repeating the same thing over and over, or as ] has admitted doing, replacing the link to the flag on other wikipedias' "Poland" article with a Polish-language message of protest... That's vandalism, surely, not a way to build consensus. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :thanks! --] ] 12:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::-''From a colorimetric point of view'': " have reasonably arived at a calculation for the white of the flag, which, on a bright, luminescent computer screen -- which after all, is a source of light, and not a reflecting surface like an actual flag in real life". This means that the people you are referring to translated from a light-absorbing surface colorplane to a light-emitting one. This means that they did the translation ''knowing'' the result wuould be, by a perceptive point-of-view, ''wrong''. | |||
| ::-''From a perception point of view'': "If you viewed the page, instead, on a black/dark background, you would not have the sensation of seeing gray. It would look white." Wrong, have a look yourself: | |||
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| ::-''From a common sense point of view'': If the flag is expected to be white, while it appears grey (and even on a black background it would never be white), then somebody, even in good faith, made a mistake, and should admit it, instead of keeping on supporting a blatantly wrong version. | |||
| ::-Furthermore, keeping the discussion on ] will cut out everybody who does not know Polish. As the result of the discussion will affect a lot of pages all around Misplaced Pages, an international talkpage should be chosen to settle this matter. | |||
| ::--] 11:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The discussion on plwiki seems to converge to a consensus supporting my first proposition. The rationale is partially coherent with ] stance. The main expert, who actually created the "grey" flag supports it too. To avoid edit wars I refrain from quick changes here, but at the moment there is no strong support for the "grey" version (with one exception of the article where the flag is described in details and the "grey" color explained to the reader). --] ] 11:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| An important event, and some users who are running for office may be familiar to some of you. In the end, isn't voting in those elections as important as voting in our national ones? :) --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 03:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Dear Polish friends, ] was a redirect to ], because it is the only appelation of the duchy used in Western sources prior to 1945. Unsurprizingly, most articles linking to ] actually refer to ]. All the other Sagans were listed on ], linked from ] through ]. Today some guys destroyed the redirect and moved dab page to ], which is now a collection of American surnames. I don't have time to dispute with such military ignorance of our policies and historical usage, but think that some of you may want to check this ] on ]. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 13:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'll note for the record that per ], this sort of an electioneering post is frowned upon. And, just FYI, ] appears to be French, not American. --] 14:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::If asking for an opinion about Polish towns on the Poland-related noticeboard qualifies as "spamming", then you should label ] as "spam". --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :To most Americans, and thus to a large portion of users of Misplaced Pages, the name Sagan is strongly associated with ], while they never heard of Sagan the Duchy. In light of that, having ] as the disambiguation page makes sense. 99.9% of users will want to get to ] when they type Sagan into the search box, and this option saves them a detour through ]. Still, that is just my personal opinion. Both solutions are essentially fine with me. ] 14:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Agreed with Balcer. When I think of Sagan, I think of Carl, too.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 16:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Well, ''I'' do think about Françoise Sagan first, because she's more famous in France than Carl... :) But that's beside the point. Maybe this discussion should be moved to the related talk page? Personally, the current disambig page is more or less OK for me, but maybe other editors will have different opinions? -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't think we should encourage American ignorance, because it's not an American project in the first place. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Please read ], ], and ] before you get in trouble. --] 15:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You found a wrong guy to issue threats to. I am off to investigate how you moved ] to ]. It seems admin tools were seriously abused in performing this move. Best, <font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: There is no trouble because it's not a threat. The similar, yet more popular problem with Georgia (the country and the US state) was subject of quite countless debates, and '''was''' finally turned into a disambig while it pointed, IIRC, to the US state. So the subject is definitely worth looking into. And Ghirla is right in a way, because there is already enough systemic bias on WP, there is no point creating/encouraging more... -- ] <sup>]</sup> 16:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, this one, or WP:AFD. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Dividing Warszawa Główna railway station into two or three articles
Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the article talk page, but in short, the name Warszawa Główna railway station throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Renaming the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) to Democratic Party (Poland)
Hi, I belive that the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate?
Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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