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Assistance required. See post at ] regarding the loss of access to ] when the BLP_editnotice template is added automatically via the Living people category. ] (]) 11:52, 24 February 2024 (UTC) |
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| style="text-align: center" |This category was nominated for ''''']''''' on 2006 January 23. The result of the discussion was '''no consensus to rename'''. An archived record of this discussion can be found ]. |
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| style="text-align: center" |This category was nominated for ''''']''''' on 2006 January 19. The result of the discussion was '''keep per edict of ]'''. A longer version of this decision can be found ]. The original discussion is recorded below. |
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Could living people be subcategorized by country? ] (]) 15:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2024 == |
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The result was '''Kept through an edict from Jimbo'''. - ] 20:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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'''Note from Jimbo:''' This category is desperately needed to deal with a growing problem. ] is an attempt to deal with the problem, but in order for that policy to be effective, we need a convenient way for people who are interested in this topic to systematically go through vetting these articles. I am flexible on the title and structure of the category, of course, but I believe that CfD is not appropriate.--] 15:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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] (]) 23:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC) |
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let me add my name |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> This page is not for usernames - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 23:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2024 == |
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'''Second Note from Jimbo:''' Let me be clear about this. This category is desperately needed and '''is not optional'''. I am willing to impose it from top down if necessary. I am flexible as to the title and structure of this category, but CfD is not appropriate.--] 20:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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'''Third Note from Jimbo:''' This AfD is closed. Take it to the talk page. |
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There is more names: |
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1. Abdullah |
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''(adding back the comments/] 20:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC))'' |
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2. Abdur Rahid |
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3. Abdur Rahman |
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*'''Delete''' L-O-L. Michael Jackson, Mustafa Sandal and Brian Curtin, who knew? --] 15:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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4. Ahmad Abdullah |
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*'''Comment''' Danny and Jimbo have created this category for the purpose of a project to improve and monitor ]. Further information is to be provided on the mailing list; I will update the discussion with a link when I have it. ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 15:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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5. Ali Karakam |
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** has been made. ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 15:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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6. Anas |
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*'''Keep'''. It's a good idea. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 15:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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7. Antik Mahmud |
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*'''Comment'''. This category will, if updated accordingly, contain tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of articles. Who will ever have the time to go through them? '''No vote'''. ] | ] 15:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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8. Anik Ahmed |
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*'''Comment:''' What about implementing a Special page that lists all articles with a birth date category, but not a death date category? This would effectively be the same as a "Living People" category (after fixing articles that mistakenly omit a death category). ] | ] 15:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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9. Anik Islam |
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*:There really isn't a simple way to accomplish what you've requested. It would basically require some HUGE set operations (union of all years born - union of all years dead) and thus couldn't be made available via a special page. I can however perform this query offline, which will be good to tell people what to tag. --] 16:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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10. Atikur Rahman |
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*:Perhaps you could create a bot which finds articles which fulfill these criteria and adds them to ]. You can have it collect articles with a year of birth category for years higher than, say, 1890, and no year of death category. Somehow I think that using ] will be more maintainable in the long run but we can use the information we already have to jumpstart it. - ] 16:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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11. Dilruba Karim |
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*::I'm already on it, I'm halfway done, see (caution 3mb list).. The problem is that all 64,000 must be checked by hand, because there are quite a few who look alive in their analysis because we don't know their year of death. If there weren't quite so many I'd make a semi-automated bot show me all the first paragraphs and let me say yes/no.. In any case, even if all these were added this would not be our largest category by a pretty reasonable margin. --] 16:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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12. Hasib Shaheen |
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*:::Wow! That was fast. And the page crashed my browser :) Now we just have to find out what we do with it. - ] 16:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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13. Hasina Akter |
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*'''Keep''' unless something better is suggested. There are a number of people whose year of birth is known but year of death unknown so I'm not quite sold on Carbonite's idea :) There are also a number of living people whose year of birth is not public information. - ] 15:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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14. Hasina Islam |
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**If the year of death is unknown, let's create a "Year of death unknown" category. We could also have a "Year of birth unknown" category. The Special page would basically just select all articles where the person was born but hasn't died. This is a fairly simple SELECT query and the results could be cached to reduce server load. The majority of biographies are already tagged with birth and death categories, so it makes more sense to use the information we already have than to create a whole new category. ] | ] 15:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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15. Imam |
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***Because of the great many articles involved the query is actually fairly time consuming (although it is simple as you say). It took 4 minutes to generate. You're right about the need for the unknown deaths ... Gonna fix some of them? --] 16:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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16. Iqbal Kabir Mohan |
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*'''Keep''' It is an administrative category such as cleanup or unsourced images, and a *very* useful one at that. JIP, this category will be used by recent changes tools to flag edits to these articles for review and by edit filtering bots. So even if the category becomes huge, it will still remain useful. --] 15:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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17. Jabed Muhammad |
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*'''Conditional delete''': I like Carbonite's second idea about a special page, this seems unmaintainable in its current format. Don't delete until proof-of-concept exists for the auto-categorization scheme, though. -- ] <i><sub>]</sub></i> 15:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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18. Jahidul Islam |
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*'''Delete'''—Yet another patch created for the sole purpose of obscuring the truth: that bureaucratic manipulation of a supposedly open editing system doesn't work. This category was created to hide the fact that the few people controlling content at Misplaced Pages can't keep up with the workload. By shifting our attention to ''living'' people, the premise is that ''dead'' people won't care as much if their biography is incorrect. This patchwork of obfuscation is coming apart at the seams. Misplaced Pages will work when everyone has equal power to police each other. Editors come in here assuming good faith that their contributions will be judged on content, not Misplaced Pages politics and hierarchy. Category patches like "Living people" just delay the inevitable outcome of lying to these editors. *] 16:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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19. Jahidur Rahman |
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*:It's not just that dead people "don't care as much". It's also that living people are much more likely to have enemies and trolls inserting libel into their articles. - ] 16:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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20. Jafor Iqbal |
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:::"Enemies and trolls" make up a small percentage of the total Misplaced Pages membership and have a relatively small voice when editors have equal power to police each other. Against the few content controllers in the ''current'' system, however, "enemies and trolls" are overwhelming. Also, I'm sure most people would agree that Misplaced Pages bureaucracy '''''creates''''' "enemies and trolls." *] 17:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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21. Javed Muhammad |
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*'''Keep''' Very practical solution to an evolving problem. Useful for verifying categories and facts of BLP.--] 16:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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22. Jawad Islam |
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*'''Speey Keep'''. Requested by Jimbo. If someone doesn't like the idea, think of another one and implement that as well. Both can work together. — <small><sub>]</sub><sup><span style="position: relative; left:-24px; margin-right:-24px;">]</span></sup> • 2006-01-19 17:01</small> |
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23. Jawad Islam Chowdhury |
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*'''Delete''', per Carbonite's reasoning above. If this a requirement then come up with a ''smart'' solution using the database and year born / year died dates. Speedy keep because Jimbo says so - oh please... Thanks/] 17:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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24. Jui Akter |
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*:Or even better: ]. Thanks/] 17:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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25. Jui Islam |
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*'''Delete''' It's just useless category clutter - useless because no one is going to monitor the contents effectively. If it becomes fully populated there will only be a known sensitive article on every other page or so, so they won't be easy to spot in a sea of unfamiliar names, unless you know which articles you are looking for, in which case you can use the search box. No-one has any significant knowledge about more than a fraction of the living people with articles, so clicking on names at random won't be very productive. I don't want to see a link that is such a waste of space on tens of thousands of articles (and it will be hundreds of thousands before long). If we want a useful tool for the stated purpose it should be called something like ]. ] 17:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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26. Laila Anjuman |
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*'''delete''' this seems like a real kludge, and its adoption for short-term convenience encourages long-term sloppiness and clutter. the main purpose of categories ought to be to provide further links for readers interested in a general topic. this category is useless in that regard. on the other hand, it is useful to wikipedia editors -- as a type of database entry. perhaps a more elegant & useful solution would be to allow "invisible" database tags on articles. i suppose it's just a matter of aesthetics, but seeing "living people" at the bottom of the page just looks stupid to me -- so do birth/death cats though. why not just keep a '''list''' (or lists) of these ... that's about as easy as adding a category tag. ] 17:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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27. Mafizul Islam Chowdhury |
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*:See ] for those "invisible database tags on articles"... Ta/] 17:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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28. Malik Dinar |
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:::Perfect! adding that template should be no harder than adding a "living persons" category. it's also more generically useful. then, living persons is trivial per carbonite. double-delete this silly category. ] 17:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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29. Masu'dur Rahman |
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::::This would only be useful for offline analysis, not for flagging recent changes.. for example. --] 18:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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30. Masudur Rahman |
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*'''Delete''' I just saw this on Dubya's article and I thought it was some little kid's prank. I've read all the stuff, and it still seems like some kind of prank. It just has to go. ] 17:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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31. Mashrafee Bin Mortoza |
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* '''Delete''' Much too broad and silly. -- ] 17:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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32. Mijanur Rahman Ajhari |
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*'''Delete''', one of silliest categories I've seen. ] 19:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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33. Mir Mosharrof Hoshen |
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*'''Delete'''. To interprete Pavel's words in my way, "This category is a shit". - ] 19:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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34. Mirza Labib |
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*'''Delete''', this is a silly idea that won't even accomplish what it's intended to do, it'll just create a big pointless category. I have no clue why Jimbo is involving himself. To deal with vandalism, get more RC patrollers. ]]] 19:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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35. Mirza Radiba |
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*'''Comment''': I reverted the deletion of these comments by ], thanks/] 20:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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36. Miraz Islam |
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*'''Keep''' - I'm very warry that this will turn out to be a Bad Idea, but am willing to give it a chance if Jimbo thinks it should be given a chance. - ] 20:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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37. Motiur Rahman |
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*'''Comment'''. Jimbo, Jimbo. Older you are getting, more like führer you act. - ] 20:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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38. Nahid Islam |
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*'''Delete''' We should not defer to Jimbo when he has a bad idea. This vote is our opportunity to correct his mistake. We should start a vote of no confidence if he doesn't relent. His role as a founder doesn't make him perpetual dictator. Misplaced Pages is a registered foundation and there must be laws which allow people to be removed if they are not acting in the interests of the foundation. ] 20:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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39. Obaidullah Ansary |
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**'''Comment'''. Yeah and btw. imagine for example all thousands of living young sportspeople or actors under this category. This is really silly category, like "Right-handed people". - ] 20:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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40. Palash Mirza |
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*'''Delete''' I agree with the others - this is a '''terrible''' idea! <small>] <sup><font color="#6BA800">]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">]</font></sup></small> 20:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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41. Pujon Barua |
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*'''Delete''' There may be a problem that needs to be addressed, but there is zero chance this will address it effectively. Instead of ''telling'' us you are willing to be flexible, how about ''demonstrating'' that you are willing to be flexible by actually engaging with the objections and alternatives raised? This is idea is such an obvious dud and will be a massive waste of your time as well as other peoples' time. There could be a million articles in this category in a few years time. It just isn't going to identity sensitive articles in a useful way.] 20:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC) |
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42. Rakib Islam |
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43. Rishav Shil Shikto |
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44. Rohan Mojumder |
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45. Sabbir Bhuiyan |
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== Year of death missing == |
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46. Sabbir Islam |
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47. Sabbir Rahman |
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{{cquote|'''''For those with unknown death dates born after 1882…'''''}} |
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48. Sakib Islam |
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49. Sakeeb |
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I seriously doubt anyone born in 1882 would be alive now. Should it be moved to maybe 1900 or 1920? — ] <small>]</small> 21:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
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50. Sanjida Akter |
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:1920 is far too late; plenty of people born then or before are still with us. 1900 at the latest.--] 13:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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51. Sanjida Begum |
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52. Saiful Islam |
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53. Saiful Islam Alif |
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54. Selim Ahmed |
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55. Selina Akter |
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56. Selina Shahjahan |
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57. Seeyam |
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58. Shakib Al-Hasan |
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59. Shahjahan Tapan |
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60. Sheikh Hasina |
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61. Sheuli Khatun |
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62. Siyam Ahmed |
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63. Tamim Ahmed |
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64. Tamim Alham |
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65. Tamim Iqbal |
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66. Tmim Islam |
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67. Zahid Islam |
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68. Zahidur Rahman |
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69. Zahirul Islam |
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70. Zahirul Islam Shohan and many more. Also, it would be appreciated if you sort the names alphabetically. It would be way more useful. Thanks. ] (]) 10:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> in order to add these to the category, you should insert "<code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code>" at the bottom of each article about the people. Also, the category sorts automatically by the person's last name (or nickname). ] (]) 11:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::<small>Courtesy ping: {{yo|Rage Spider|p=.}} ] (]) 12:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)</small> |
There is more names:
1. Abdullah
2. Abdur Rahid
3. Abdur Rahman
4. Ahmad Abdullah
5. Ali Karakam
6. Anas
7. Antik Mahmud
8. Anik Ahmed
9. Anik Islam
10. Atikur Rahman
11. Dilruba Karim
12. Hasib Shaheen
13. Hasina Akter
14. Hasina Islam
15. Imam
16. Iqbal Kabir Mohan
17. Jabed Muhammad
18. Jahidul Islam
19. Jahidur Rahman
20. Jafor Iqbal
21. Javed Muhammad
22. Jawad Islam
23. Jawad Islam Chowdhury
24. Jui Akter
25. Jui Islam
26. Laila Anjuman
27. Mafizul Islam Chowdhury
28. Malik Dinar
29. Masu'dur Rahman
30. Masudur Rahman
31. Mashrafee Bin Mortoza
32. Mijanur Rahman Ajhari
33. Mir Mosharrof Hoshen
34. Mirza Labib
35. Mirza Radiba
36. Miraz Islam
37. Motiur Rahman
38. Nahid Islam
39. Obaidullah Ansary
40. Palash Mirza
41. Pujon Barua
42. Rakib Islam
43. Rishav Shil Shikto
44. Rohan Mojumder
45. Sabbir Bhuiyan
46. Sabbir Islam
47. Sabbir Rahman
48. Sakib Islam
49. Sakeeb
50. Sanjida Akter
51. Sanjida Begum
52. Saiful Islam
53. Saiful Islam Alif
54. Selim Ahmed
55. Selina Akter
56. Selina Shahjahan
57. Seeyam
58. Shakib Al-Hasan
59. Shahjahan Tapan
60. Sheikh Hasina
61. Sheuli Khatun
62. Siyam Ahmed
63. Tamim Ahmed
64. Tamim Alham
65. Tamim Iqbal
66. Tmim Islam
67. Zahid Islam
68. Zahidur Rahman
69. Zahirul Islam
70. Zahirul Islam Shohan and many more. Also, it would be appreciated if you sort the names alphabetically. It would be way more useful. Thanks. Rage Spider (talk) 10:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: This page is not for usernames - FlightTime (open channel) 23:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)