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| '''<span style="color:white;">R E T I R E D</span>]'''</div><br></div> | |||
| <div class="center">'''Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at ]. '''</div> | |||
| == Hi == | |||
| my name is Santo Calarco. You have been actively involved in deleting material that has been sent into wikipedia about me - as recent as August and October this year. How can I find out what the contents of the article were and who it is that is writing about me? I am a minister of religion and would like to talk with this person who obviously has something against me - maybe we can sort this thing out. Anyway, thanks for protecting me from this slanderous information. If you can send me a copy of what was written and any attempted updates that would be great. | |||
| ==Sorry== | |||
| Rev Santo Calarco {{unsigned|60.229.10.219|19:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)}} | |||
| *It would be best if you contacted the ], specifically Danny Wool and/or Brad Patrick. Contact information for your concerns is located at http://wikimediafoundation.org/Contact_us. All the best, --] 16:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
| == :-( == | |||
| I'm currently undergoing an Editor review, and am trying to get a large amount of replies. I am sending messages to those who left me a message on my talk page as a way of getting the word out. I encourage you to add your two cents to the review! Thanks for your time, and Happy Thanksgiving! ]] ] 21:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :( | |||
| == ST47 RFA == | |||
| Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --] 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| You accidentally removed Guy's vote - <b>]</b><small> ]</small> 17:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *No, it was made after ST47 withdrew. In effect, the RfA was closed already. Votes after close are generally removed. --] 17:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ] ] 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Question about fair use == | |||
| ::What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( ''']''' ('']'') 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Durin, you seem to know a lot about fair use policy. Concerning ] case, can you tell me who's right (if you're online)? I don't mean who's right about it being 3RR. I mean about images for album covers only being allowed in articles about the album, not articles about the band. I'm sure I could find out if I spent a while researching it, but since you do a lot of work on fair use policy, you might be able to tell me directly. Thanks. ] ] 21:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *This is debatable and open to interpretation. By ] item #8, it's arguable that the image should not appear on the band's page, but only on the album's page. An example case; it's often been the case that an image of an actor from a particular show is removed from an article on that actor if the image is not being used to directly comment on that actor ''and'' the show. This goes contested sometimes, but frequently does not. This is a similar case, but being extended to albums/bands. My own personal take is that this is situation where we'd be ok in a copyright suit. Not definitely, as I am not a lawyer, but I think we would be ok. There's another slant to this; the band is still active. Assuming they are touring, and they probably will with an upcoming 2007 release, getting a free license image is possible; a Misplaced Pages editor could attend a concert and get one. So, it's fair use...but replaceable. That puts it in a situation where it's presence on the band's page becomes less than rock solid for certain. Personally, I don't see the value in continuing to use the album cover on the band's page. Why not just replace the album cover with the band's logo? That's clearly...clearly allowable under fair use. Heck, I'll do it one better. Since there's no logo available, I'll get one and replace the album cover with it. Hold on. --] 21:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *There. Done. ] at ]. --] 21:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --] 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks, Durin. That's very helpful. Hopefully, the dispute has will die down now. As you see, I've unblocked the user. ] ] 23:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Someone still has to do the job. ''']''' ('']'') 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Yep I saw. Probably a good move. The revert war was over, and with the insertion of the logo had near zero chance of re-erupting. I just hope both editors play nice elsewhere :) --] 23:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --] 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the ]. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. . I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --] 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| **<nowiki>:-o</nowiki> Un-fucking-believable. --] 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Yo, I want an update ;) I also would like a graph for my commons, tr.wiki, meta pages :) | |||
| ::You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Furthermore some sort of graph for ] would be nice. | |||
| :::Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. ] (] | ]) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. ] 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| --<small>] ]</small> 23:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. ] 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I don't do graphs for commons or any other wiki other then en.wikipedia. As for that, if I find some time...it's been a while since I've done one so it would take some time to learn how to process another one. --] 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, '']]]'' 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
==Not right== | ||
| This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --] <small>(])</small> 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Fair use is allowed in article name space. Since the main page is part of the article namespace (it's not a template image etc), why have you declared war on the main page nominations? FU images still appear on the main page selected article. ] 04:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --] <small>(])</small> 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Because the use of fair use images on the main page, which is not in the main article namespace, is generally considered to be a mistake and is usually quickly undone. Further, the page on which I was removing the images is a Misplaced Pages space page, not a main article namespace page. If you have further questions, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --] 04:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --] 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **The main page is in the article namespace because its path is the same as an article .../Main Page vis a vis .../Name of article. Furthermore, your argument that FU images rarely appear with the selected article can't quickly be disproven by looking at the articles actually used for any month. The nom page is where the they nom's get listed, so the images need to appear there. ] 04:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --] 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I'm sorry that you feel this way. Please observe the following pieces of evidence: | |||
| *]. Two admins, Carnildo and Gmaxwell both indicate that fair use images are to be avoided on the main page. | |||
| *] admin ] notes that fair use images are sometimes allowed on the main page for breaking news, but are to be quickly replaced. admin Gmaxwell again notes "Fair use on the main page is a mistake and often removed on sight". | |||
| There's other pieces of evidence as well. I can assure you that fair use on the main page is kept to an absolute minimum, and it most definitely is not part of the main article namespace as it itself is not an article on a particular subject. --] 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * . ] 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :That just tells me you don't know what a namespace is, technically speaking, though you may yourself consider it a separate space for wiki purposes. Where does it say in an official wiki policy, not someone's mere opinion, that FU images should not be on the main page and that it's a separate namespace for wiki purposes? If you can't do that, this is merely another case of wikiadmins and cabalists forcing opinion on others.] 04:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... ] 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've pointed out pieces of evidence to you. I'm sorry you disagree with them and wish to characterize them as cabalish behavior. From a strictly ''technical'' stand point, yes if you edit the main page it shows up in your edit contributions as a main namespace edit. But, ] item #9 refers to ''article namespace''. The main page is not an article. It does not cover a particular subject, person, event, etc. In reality, it is simply a portal to the rest of the encyclopedia. While fair use images do occasionally appear on the main page, they are to be kept to a minimum. Further, I did not remove fair use images from the main page. I removed fair use images from a Misplaced Pages space page. If such images are to be included there, they must at an absolutely minimum be linked to, rather than actually displayed. No argument can be made that ] is in the main article namespace. Thus, per requirements of ] item #9, which is policy, the use of such fair use images on that page is not permitted. My removal of the images was, therefore, entirely proper. If you find fault with this, you might wish to bring it up at ] and discuss options for having the policy changed. Thanks, --] 04:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Oh come on! Users like you are one reason so many people quit wiki.] 12:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. ] 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *So far you have said "declared war", that I am a "cabalist forcing opinion" on others, people like me are "one reason so many people quit wiki", and that I am a "zealot". Your opinions are noted, and I remind you of ]. If you have an issue with fair use policy you may take it up, as I noted above, at ]. What I am doing is perfectly in line with policy and has been repeatedly supported by multiple other admins and members of arbcom. Your issue is not with me. Your issue is with Misplaced Pages policy. Please use appropriate forums, such as the one I suggested twice now, to voice your displeasure with the policy. Voicing such displeasure with me will have no effect on policy nor will it affect my conducting this work. Please see ]. Thank you for your message. --] 01:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. ] ] 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Band Templates?== | |||
| :*Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — ] ] 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Re: Fair use images as for use in templates. I think the removal of this image from the template is really petty ,Why can other band templates use images and I can't? I mean its not in my agenda to rock the boat here, but does anyone else really care about a very small picture on a template? that quite frankly is not seen by all that many people? | |||
| -- ] 18:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *] item #9 prohibits the use of fair use tagged images outside of the main article namespace. This includes templates. That other band templates have such violations is not a reason to permit more of them. If you'd like, as you find such violations you can remove them yourself. I'd be happy to guide you on what needs to be done and how to go about doing it. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. --] 18:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: No Thanks, If I ever thought I would turn in to an image informant like yourself I would quickly find myself a life, before I started wearing a brown shirt. -- | |||
| ] 22:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Enough with the ] please. It serves no purpose and will not ] from performing this work. --] 23:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *What you consider a personal attack could be interpreted as freedom of speech but then you would only quote some wiki fair use horse shit to back up your stance. you are without a doubt '''The''' most antagonising user on wikipedia. and you have replied to several users by saying so called personal attacks ''serve no purpose'' well I disagree, it helps to relieve stress, maybe you should relieve yourself too, you never know you might view life in a whole new perspective! Peace Out man!-- ] 02:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*You compare me to a Nazi thug and say I shouldn't take it as a personal attack? Right. What was it that was so antogonizing to you that you felt it necessary to begin making comparisons to Nazi thugs? I remove fair use images you had put in place. Those images were in violation of ] item #9. You vent all sorts of fury at me, but I'm not the one you should be angry with. If you don't like the policy, take it up at ]. If you seriously think I'm the most antognizing user on Misplaced Pages, then by all means please start an ]. If I am as you say it would be seriously detrimental to the project for me to be an administrator or even a part of the project at all. I'm always welcome to reasoned inputs on my edits, minus the personal insults. If you won't start an RfC on me, the person you describe as the worst person at Misplaced Pages, then what would motivate you to start one? Please, by all means start one. Please. --] 06:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ooh Touch a nerve did we? ''Nazi Thug?'' whats that, a freudian slip? if you recall I compared you to an antagonising image informant you should not add words that were not said! I mean, i'm sure there must be a Wiki fair use of words on that --] 12:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::*No, didn't touch a nerve. A person launching personal attacks against someone whom they have never met, have had almost no interaction with, has no basis to have any way of saying something that would actually hurt that person. You could voice a thousand insults against me and it would have no effect on my conducting the fair use work that needs to be done here. I'm pointing out how your words are personal attacks. As to your words, you are the person who said "brown shirt". The most famous brown shirts in history were Nazi thugs. You should note however that launching a thousand insults against anyone here, much less several, will likely result in your being temporarily blocked from editing. All the best, --] 14:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::* I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. ] ] 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==relish== | |||
| **Doesn't scare me. I'd be glad to get away from users such as you who make wiki a pain to use instead of fun. You must relish in all this hate and discontent you cause. You're the only user I know that has to write pages and pages trying to defend himself. ] 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Don't care. Just go away and leave people who try to improve articles instead of pissing everyone off alone. ] 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***Please see ] where it says "If you want me to stop doing these removals of fair use violations, the best way is...". This will provide you with direction on how to go about rectifying the matter. Tossing insults at me is ineffective, I can assure you. It has no effect on me and certainly does nothing to change policy. --] 02:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **The best way for you to stop driving people away is to use some common sense in how you approach this. And that was not an insult it's a fact. You're the only user I know that has caused other users to quit. I will not discuss this with you further. ] 02:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***People come and go to the project. It disappoints me if people do not wish to adhere to Misplaced Pages policy. Nevertheless, we hold to our policies. If people wish to leave because they find the policies unacceptable, that is their prerogative. I can not stop them. If it bothers you that this policy exists, your venom is better expelled at the people who are actually in a position to change the policy. You've been directed where to go to do that. I hope you find satisfaction there. In fact, if fair use images were allowed everywhere on Misplaced Pages it would be, in some ways, better than the current status quo which is a difficult to manage scenario; violations are rampant and there's little support for keeping things in check with this policy. In my mind, preferable would be a considerably harder line against such violations or a far more liberal line. From all that I've read, Jimbo Wales would be more in support of a harder line. You're welcome to take your crack at changing the policy. If you need help to back up some of your points, look me up. I might be able to offer you some supporting statistics. All the best, --] 02:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? ] 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == {{]}} == | |||
| ==Sigh== | |||
| Hi, all of the "Politics of Nation" templates have national emblems displayed at the top, however why do you keep on reverting North Korea's, when it has the same license as ] and many others, yet they were never changed/reverted to a geographical map denoting their territory? Also, I've read your subpage about the fairuse rationale, however those aren't fairuse tags but coatofarms tags, and was their a vote by the community that national emblems with the coatofarms tags cannot be used in templates or any other namespaces excepting the main namespace? Or it was your own interpretation? You can reply here or on my IP page. Thanks much! --] 07:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. ] 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *{{tl|coatofarms}} is a fair use tag. Any image tagged with that tag alone should not be used outside of the main article namespace per ] item #9. This includes ] and ]. I've removed the latter from {{tl|Politics of South Korea}}. My interpretation of this tag has been backed up by multiple admins and members of ArbCom. I'm fully welcome to reinterpretations of this. If you'd like to raise this matter, you should direct your comments to ] where it will receive due attention. Thanks for your question. All the best, --] 18:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== :-o No! == | ||
| I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. ''Please'' come back!. See also: ]--] 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you very much for your review beforehand, and especially your confidence and support during my RFA. I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting ] (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. Please let me know if I can do anything for you in the future, although I doubt it for some time... I may be coming to you to learn at the foot of the master with respect to coat-of-arms copyright, something that baffles me at present. Cheers! -- '']']'' 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :P.S. Where's my decoder ring? -- '']']'' 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== astroview120mm userboxes == | ||
| I'm directed to you regarding the use of certain images, namely those in the following two cites: | |||
| ] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| === ] === | |||
| ] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| === ] === | |||
| ] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If the images are ok there, why are they not ok on my UserPage? | |||
| A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. | |||
| Best Regards, ] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Come back== | |||
| === For Your Convenience === | |||
| I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back... | |||
| ] ] 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==== Please limit the images on your user page to free or GFDL images. ==== | |||
| == Templating the regulars == | |||
| Please limit the images on your user page to free or GFDL images. Using copyrighted or ] images can get Misplaced Pages in a lot of legal trouble. -] 21:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ----- | |||
| :I WOULD aapreciate it if you inform me first before you assume anything and proceed to alter my user page! | |||
| :] 22:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ----- | |||
| Actually, the copyright tags are the clue. Please check them first. If you have questions about an image, ask ]. And, yes, he did remove fair use images from my page. So don't complain. -] 22:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***] 22:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ----- | |||
| *The difference between uses there is that use of fair use images on main namespace articles is accepted. ] and ] are two such pages. Any actual article is allowed to have fair use tagged images on it. Userpages, templates, portals, wikipedia space pages...are not. ] is correct. You should allow him to remove those images or remove them yourself if you prefer. Either way, they need to be removed from your userpage. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. All the best, --] 02:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ----- | |||
| **GotchYa! Your explanation is very clear - which is not the case with the Wiukipedia legal mumbo-jumbo. | |||
| ***I assumed - using my method of TRIAL AND ERROR method of learning WP - that if an image was in Misplaced Pages ANYWHERE - I could use it! What a DISAPPONITMENT!!! | |||
| **Now tell me this - if I get an artish to draw for me an image of Andy sleeping in that same reclining position - can I then put it up on my WP User page? | |||
| *Thanks for your DILIGENCE on behalf of WIKIPEDIA! | |||
| :Yours truly, ] 19:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Yes, if the art is original work and not a ]. I.e., you can not take the image from that magazine cover and simply modify it and claim rights. Also, the artist needs to release their rights to the artwork under a ]. Hope that helps, --] 20:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| {{{icon|] }}}Please do not withdraw from ]. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's ] policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the . Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-npov2 adapted by-->----] 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for clearing this up. Now if you could teach him to go easy on the <nowiki>----</nowiki>… <!--];Will Pittenger-->] <small>(] - ])</small><!--ESC:Will Pittenger--> 03:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed. Your departure may be part of a ]... *sigh* -- '']']'' 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == I miss Durin == | |||
| == ] & "]" == | |||
| ] "''']'''" — the original 1934 300-page ''']''' edition | |||
| Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — ''']''' <sup>|''' ]'''</sup> | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| '''Dear WP Adminstrator Durin:''' | |||
| '''The image herein I have re-created: me, myself, & I. | |||
| :'''It is the the front book cover of that infamout 1934 300-page imprint of the ] by an uncorporated entity named above which operated out of a Post Office Box in Chicago, Michigan, and, to the best of my knowledge, there was no copyright asserted on it.''' | |||
| ::'''So why did you delete THAT image as well??''' | |||
| :'''Yours truly,''' ] 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::'''PS: Can I appeal your decision on this 1934 image deletion?''' | |||
| :'''Sincere best withes to you,''' ] 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Durin, we'll miss you== | |||
| He might have been a little bossy but he was a great ] and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the ]. And I hope that by you reading this message <nowiki>*</nowiki><sup>sniffle</sup><nowiki>*</nowiki>, you'll come back!--] 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == You did the right thing == | |||
| You can appeal the decision by posting to ]. There's not much to appeal though. The image is of a bookcover, and due to it not being old enough, it is still under copyright...even if copyright wasn't claimed. We do not operate on the basis of whether someone claimed copyright, but on the basis of whether someone explicitly released their rights to the work. Thus, even if something doesn't appear to have a copyright, we assume it does unless we have proof otherwise. The image is appropriately tagged with {{tl|bookcover}} which is a fair use tag thus preventing its use outside of the main article namespace. Hope that helps, --] 21:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too. | |||
| It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | |||
| == Anthonyn66 == | |||
| Sorry about my logos and pages. I never knew that about those rules. Maybe I should read the rule page. | |||
| ] | |||
| *No worries. We all start at square one. --] 06:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck. | |||
| == new user box you may like == | |||
| P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| FYI: You might be interested in this user box: ]. -] 06:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Nice, but I do not use userboxes. Thanks, --] 06:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Codelyoko193 == | |||
| Is there a page that I can have the box link to that would explain this policy in layman's terms? Something in your userspace would qualify for my purposes. <!--];Will Pittenger-->] <small>(] - ])</small><!--ESC:Will Pittenger--> 06:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *] is the closest I have, but it's quite wordy. ] is sort of the same thing, just an earlier version. --] 06:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, ] <sub>]</sub> 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Veracious Rey == | |||
| :It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... '''Thanks''', ] <sub>]</sub>] 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry about the revert. I didn't notice you took the images out of my userboxes (I didn't look, because I was unaware of a problem). The image of governer Fletcher is in an article, so I'm confused why you removed the image a second time. | |||
| == Who knew? == | |||
| I accept your offer of help. First, where can I find free images of sports logos, and foxnews logos? In general, where do you find these if you cannot take them from articles. I've searched the Wikicommons, but haven't found anything. ] 16:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *When I tagged the image as orphaned fair use, it was truly orphaned; it wasn't in an article. When I checked back, it was. I removed the notice. No worries about the userboxes; we all learn sometime. | |||
| *In short, finding sports logos and foxnews logos isn't going to happen. Logos of such organizations are protected; it's a marketable resource for them. Any free license version probably isn't going to represent the team the way you would want. What people tend to do with such userboxes is to put, for example, "FN" in place of the missing logo, and use colors frequently associated with the organization. --] 16:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, <small>'']''</small>''']''' 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==PSdubow imiages== | |||
| :''P.S.'', I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke. | |||
| The imiages that were used are fair use beacuse they were being used on Engilish Misplaced Pages for the use of describing orginazations | |||
| or people. ] ] 16:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Per ] item #9, fair use tagged images such as ], ], and ] may not be used on userpages, or any non-main article namespace pages. I've removed the images from ]. Please do not re-insert the images. If you have questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. --] 16:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Stop bothering my friend and I!!!!!!!!! == | |||
| Mr. ] | |||
| ==Husnock== | |||
| My friend ] was doing me a favor by helping me create my user page, because I am not as computer savy as other users may be. He told me how you were bothering him and also hindering him about some pictures he was using or something like that, while he was trying to help me. Both him and I are in agreement that the pictures we are using do not violate any copyright rules or some sort of a ] code of ethics. Now you listen to me, he and I will continue to put pictures on my user page until you or another ] representative proves to us by showing us files, a private policy, a copyright rule, or something like that, stating that what we are doing to against the rules. | |||
| Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. ] ] 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Sincerely, | |||
| == Shhh... == | |||
| ] | |||
| <small>Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --] 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small> | |||
| *Please see the prior section above this one. The use of fair use tagged images on userpages is not permitted per ] item #9. The images your friend placed on the page that I removed are tagged with fair use tags. Thus, they may not exist on your userpage. Sorry if this bothers you or your friend; no intention to do so. Just working to have pages adhere to our policies. Thanks, --] 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Long ago comments == | |||
| Mr. ], | |||
| Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. ] 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| My friend and I read ] and we are trying to understand it to the best of our ability. If you can, I, myself am having trouble understanding the Fair Use Criteria, because I don't understand all this computer mumbo-jumbo. Also, you said "Just working to have pages adhere to our policies". Well you know what, just because it is an official document does not make it right. What if your policies are wrong. Ever think of that??? Maybe you can ask other ] moderators and workers to amend the current policy and maybe even to draft a new one. | |||
| Sincerely, | |||
| ==List of Misplaced Pages editors by edit count== | |||
| P.S. Please respond to this to this message on my talk-page as soon as possible. | |||
| *In general, if you find the term "fair use" on the image's description page, chances are very high that the image must be used here under terms of fair use. Visually, if you see a great big C on the image's description page, like that found at {{tl|logo}}, it is an image that must be used under terms of fair use. If you have questions about a particular image, I'd be happy to answer. | |||
| *As to your second point; the policy has been appealed by a broad number of people and dozens of exceptions have been requested. All have been denied. The reason is this isn't just policy. It's a matter of law. Misplaced Pages takes this law seriously because we do not want to be the victims of a copyright infringement lawsuit. | |||
| *Please understand; adding a copyrighted image to your userpage contributes nothing to the goals of the project. We are here to create an encyclopedia. Potentially violating fair use and copyright law on a userpage provides no benefit to the project while exposing us to risk. You are welcome to place free licenses images on your userpage all you want. The more the merrier if it makes you happy. But, non-free licenses images are off limits. | |||
| *I hope this helps to better explain the situation. If not, I'd be happy to answer any additional questions you may have. --] 02:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is... | |||
| Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...] 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Fine! | |||
| *I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --] 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ] | |||
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| ==Agree with PSDubow== | |||
| : {{tl|not orphan}}? — ''']''' <sup>|''' ]'''</sup> | 18:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| I agree i do not think that the policy is fair and i do not feel that it is right may i ask to bring this issue up to the ] | |||
| and ] ] ] 02:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *You can bring it up if you like. You do not need my permission to do so. --] 03:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Still here? == | ||
| You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-] 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hail and well met, friend Durin. I hope this missive find you well. May I request a favor? I am, as you may be aware, a candidate for the Arbitration Committee. I fear that, due to my history, my ] and (in the future) ] may tend to be magnets for incivility and other misconduct. I have, in the past year, come to respect you for your ability to maintain coolness in situations where others might fail to do so (as you may have noted when I commented on your self-RfC some months back). Would you be willing to let bygones be bygones and do me the signal favor of patrolling those pages for uncivil conduct, dealing with any such instances which you might find appropriately? I would be most appreciative. | |||
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| Thank you for your consideration. | |||
| == :-) == | |||
| ] (]) 22:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I'll keep an eye on it from time to time. --] 15:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Much appreciated. Do take care. ] (]) 16:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Reviewed 7 December 2006; I commented out one comment by Bishonen that I felt was subjective and polarized the statement. | |||
| **I appreciate your efforts, even if they were for naught. Keep up your good work in other areas; I must admit that your performance in the past year has more than made up for whatever faults I may have found with you in the past. ] (]) 05:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --] 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Template:Equipment of the Turkish Navy== | |||
| * "''Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate''" - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --] 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I do not understand why you removed the official seal of the navy from the template. I read the fair use policy related with the templates but i need your advice. I want to put the seal there but how? Regards ] 19:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *You can't, at least not on the template. The seal is marked as a fair use image here on Misplaced Pages. As such, by ] item #9, it may not exist on the template. It is possible to create code such that it would only display if use on a main namespace article, but to have a fair use image on the seal constitutes a decorative use of a fair use image in most cases (and does in this usage as well) and thus violates ] item #8. I'm sorry. If you have any other questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --] 20:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*Alright, but what about this template ? It also uses the seal image. ] 20:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::*The only two images that template uses are ] and ]. Both of those images are available under a free license from Commons. Thus, fair use does not apply and they may exist on that template. --] 20:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::*Thanks. ] 20:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== New York Yankees logo == | ||
| I've started a discussion about this at ] - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged ]. —] 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Okay, thats fair enough about the Opalinida article but I need help with something totally different with the Nellie Connally article. It says that when her husband got shot she quickly tried to protect her husband which was with stark contrast to Jackie who seemed to try and jump out of the car. That info is false. Nellie did try and protect her husband but Jackie never tried to jump out of the car, she just went to grab JFK's brain that got blasted to the front of the car. So considering that info was false I deleted it and then stated in the disscussion box why I deleted it. But every time I delete it, in about an hour it comes back up. I even have this guy saying it was vandalism. What can I do? | |||
| == |
== Omma miss ya == | ||
| You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( ] (]) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Sure, please tell me more. I don't agree with your logic from the link on your edit summary, but I try to avoid most of the rules of this place outside of afd/rfa(i'm thinking of trying for adminship in a month), so i'll leave that to you. I'll just edit somewhere else. ] 22:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Thank you! --] (]) 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Misplaced Pages has established a narrow definition of allowable fair use. This descends from our mission here; to create a 💕. The use of fair use should be kept to an absolute minimum. If we are to use fair use, it must contribute directly to the value of the encyclopedia. Adding copyrighted images to templates for decorative purposes does not adhere to that. Thus, ] prevents this. --] 22:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Like I said, I don't agree -- particularly in ''how'' it seems to have been established from my understanding of most of the processes here, but like I said above, i'll leave that to you. ] 23:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Review of Fair Use pictures== | |||
| == Your edit was haphazard, you did not see the references, you are abusing your admin powers. == | |||
| Are you still around? If yes, could you please review the apparently non-free images in the article ]. I'm talking at the black and white pictures in the ''clearance'' section. I'm not sure about what policy covers these or where to go to have them reviewed. --] (]) 17:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thank you== | |||
| Durin - You gonna lose your admin right if you willingly abuse them. You clearly did NOT look into the sources provided before removing my edit. Do you really want to make me have to log in and report you? Now please remove your edit, as I have shown that credible evidence towards alternative theories DOES exist, and I quote the BBC article "Two hijacked passenger airliners plunge into the twin towers of the World Trade Center, the subsequent explosions and fires causing the buildings to collapse." Durin wrote, mistakenly "The BBC article you are referring to refers to the explosions of the planes on impact on the WTC, not subsequent explosions that brought the building down." | |||
| I just came to visit my old friend, Durin, to find out that he quit Misplaced Pages! I'm sad, because although the first time I met you on Misplaced Pages, I thought you were unfriendly for removing my images, I got to know you, and you're a really nice guy. I hope you decide to join Misplaced Pages again. Cheers always. :) --]]] 17:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==rollback== | |||
| has been ] to you (now live for non-admins), as an encouragement to edit here more ;). ] 19:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Admins like you give wikipedia and free speech a bad name, not to mention Neutrality. One more slip, and...<sup>Superscript text</sup> <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 17:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> | |||
| *Yes, I'd prefer if you reported me. Since you seem to think I've made a large number of errors, it would be best to air them out and rectify them. And yes, I did look at the cites. That's how I knew the article was posted by BBC on the same day. How else could I know that information? Also, please see ]. You do not have the right to free speech here. Sorry. --] 17:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Replaceable fair use Image:LittoralCombatShip-ArtistsRendering.jpg == | |||
| This is the bit he removed: "While many disregard the controlled demolition hypothesis as complete nonsense, many mainstream news agencies such as BBC news wrote reports about "explosions" in the towers before their collapse, (ref)BBC News, US Rocked By Terror Attacks: "The explosions caused the twin towers to collapse", Tuesday, 11 September, 2001, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1537469.stm(/ref), and journalists reported "other explosions", cause of which still seems to be unresolved, despite inquiries.(ref)BBC's Stephen Evans Interviewed, Tue 11 September 2001, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFf56Df-F2M(/ref)." Please report this admin (Durin) for abuse, if you see the removal as unfair abuse. | |||
| ] | |||
| Thanks for uploading ''']'''. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of ], but its use in Misplaced Pages articles fails our ] in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please: | |||
| # Go to ] and edit it to add {{tlx|di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, '''without deleting the original replaceable fair use template'''. | |||
| Durin said: "The reality is, as I believe has already been discussed on this talk page, that any theory involving the U.S. as a major participant in causing the attacks on 9/11 is by its very definition a conspiracy." I was not saying anything about any involvement, only that there were some unexplained explosions happening there. Durin said: "As to free speech, it's not a matter of free speech." I agree - free speech must be earned, like I will demonstrate to you trough use of logic and perseverance. Durin said: "I firmly believe in scientific theory, and support additions to articles that are based on verifiability and reliable sources." And you dont regard BBC journalists writings and on-site interviews as verifiable or reliable sources? Who do you think you are kidding here. You crossed the line right there, IMHO, and now you post that comment? Interesting interpretation of scientific principles, Durin. {{unsigned|89.27.5.114|17:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)}} | |||
| # On ], write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all. | |||
| *I fail to see how requesting an article be verifiable and based on reliable sources counts as "crossing the line". Would you please elaborate? A BBC article the ''same day'' as the attacks is not a reliable source for making a claim of explosions taking down the WTC. No investigation has been made. At Misplaced Pages, we target secondary sources for information, not primary. Since there was as yet no investigation, the BBC is in effect a primary source in this case; and since they have no qualifications in building demolitions, they are a very weak primary source for this point of information as well. I stand by my statements. --] 17:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Very well. But can your logic withstand the fact that people have heard explosions in the buildings not directly caused by the airplanes crashing into the buildings OR the collapse of the buildings. What does your logic need, a written statement from the president? We have two pieces of "primary" evidence here that you deem unreliable. Your logic is what I would call "the devils logic". I am considering reporting you.--] 17:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *As I've indicated several times now, I'd prefer if you reported me. Please do so. Thank you. --] 17:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I was hoping we could discuss this in a civilized manner. What do you have to say about these two points: | |||
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| The point was not that your requesting verifiability or reliability of sources was somehow faulty, but the fact that once the evidence is presented, you disregard it, in record time. | |||
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| In fact, now that I review the situation, you are advocating a '''BIAS'''ed view of the situation, where reference from Albuquerque Journal outweigh those of BBC Uk. You are d'mn right free speech doesnt apply here!! --] 18:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| *Civilized discussion possibilities were undermined from the beginning of your posts to the talk page of the article in question where you stated "Admins like you give wikipedia and free speech a bad name, not to mention Neutrality. One more slip, and...". It was further undermined with your first posting to my talk page where you started right off with saying "Durin - You gonna lose your admin right if you willingly abuse them". I have nothing further to discuss with you. I'd prefer if you reported me. Again, if you'd like help making such a report I'd be happy to lend a hand. Thank you, --] 18:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| (1) Evidence towards unexplained explosions exist, in form that is ''verifiable'' and through sources that are generally though to be reliable (BBC News website and interview footage). | |||
| (2) Can you (or anyone else) invalidate this evidence, or provide clear explanation as to what these explosions were? | |||
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| (4) If not, can you, therefore, by use of '''ARGUMENTATION, EVIDENCE OR LOGIC''' dismiss the proposition, that it is possible controlled demolitions of some kind by some known or unknown agent MAY have taken place (hypothesis)? | |||
| --] 18:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*As noted, I have nothing further to discuss with you. If you feel I have abused my privileges as an editor and/or admin, then please report me. Good day. --] 18:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :* Very well. You removed my edit without reviewing both pieced of evidence (not enough time to view the interview), claimed that I was proposing that controlled demolitions did take place when I was trying to point out that according to verifiable and reliable sources some unexplained explosions did take place, and finally disregarded my pleas for civilized discussion. I hope you have a better one tomorrow. --] 18:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::*I disagree with your summary of events. Nevertheless, I have no desire to discuss it when you have been from the get go assaulting me at most opportunities. Stating for perhaps the 6th or 7th time, if you have serious grievances with me, then by all means please report me. Failing that, I have no desire to discuss my actions with you and I have nothing further to discuss with you on that point. Good day. --] 18:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Apologies for any personal hurt my comments may have caused you... (Or your family), not my aim at all. But we aint through this subject matter of evidence, explosions & demolitions yet. Gnite --] 19:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I think I get it... so, the pictures belong to the Carpenters because it's from a DVD, and actually originally from a television series, so I can't use it on my userpage because it's not mine. Am I paraphrasing correctly? By the way, thanks for taking the time to explain these things... I'm kinda new to editing pages on Misplaced Pages. ;) --] 01:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Your edit summary says you're responding to me, but the sentence that turned you off is DerwinUMD's. Not that I don't also find that sort of thing irritating. I've fixed the formatting to set my commments off a bit more clearly. Best,--] 15:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| For what its worth, internet where I am is apparently not going away at the end of the year. If you actually did want to pursue any RfCs, I would be able to comment. Not that you would do that by any means, I am just retracting my further statement that I would be unavailable for such things since that is no longer the case and it is only fair to state that. Cool? Cool. (But not Coolcat...) -] 13:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *My main concern in pursuing an RfC was to stop the constant onslaught of attacks by you against me in a large number of fora. Since that appears to have stopped, there is nothing to be gained by initiating an RfC except to cause more ill will. RfCs are too often viewed by people as punitive. That's not their intent. They should for the most part be corrective. Since there's now nothing to correct, there's no point to having one. I always considered the image status issue as separate, and not one worthy of an RfC. --] 13:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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R E T I R E D]
Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at User:Durin/Departure.
Sorry
I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. Lradrama 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:-(
Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :(
Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --Iamunknown 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ElinorD (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( Majorly (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --Ali'i 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Someone still has to do the job. Majorly (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --Ali'i 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. The bastards won. I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --Durin 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. Lradrama 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- :-o Un-fucking-believable. --Ali'i 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lradrama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lradrama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. Pascal.Tesson 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. Pete.Hurd 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, You Can't Review Me!!! 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Not right
This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the whois information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --Aude (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --Aude (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --Durin 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --Iamunknown 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Come say hello. Nick 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... Pascal.Tesson 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. DS 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. Seraphim 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — Moe ε 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. Seraphim 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? Meteoguy 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh
This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. Corvus cornix 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:-o No!
I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. Please come back!. See also: User:Pheonix15/Useful links/Retired Wikipedians--Pheonix15 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
astroview120mm userboxes
A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. Astroview120mm 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Come back
I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back...
Seraphim 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Templating the regulars
Please do not withdraw from building the encyclopedia. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's don't let the bastards grind you down policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the secret channel. Thank you.----John 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. Seraphimblade 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Your departure may be part of a virtuous (or vicious) circle... *sigh* -- nae'blis 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I miss Durin
Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — pd_THOR | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Durin, we'll miss you
He might have been a little bossy but he was a great wikipedian and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the bad word. And I hope that by you reading this message **, you'll come back!--Angel David 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
You did the right thing
I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too.
It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck.
P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.37.211 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Codelyoko193
I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk Contributions 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Who knew?
Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, IT'S DA...Ανέκδοτο 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- P.S., I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke.
Husnock
Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. Neil ☎ 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Shhh...
Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...Ryoung122 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --Durin 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've started a discussion about this at WP:MCQ#New York Yankees logo - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged Image:Crossed_N_and_Y.jpg. —Random832 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Omma miss ya
You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( Vael Victus (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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Unused, low-res, no obvious use, better files at c:Category:Tower_Bridge.
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March 17: You're invited! Indiana Women in the Arts editathon
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Upcoming Indianapolis event March 17: Indiana Women in the Arts |
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You are invited to join us at Newfields for an edit-a-thon on Indiana women in the arts, co-hosted by Wikimedians of Indiana and IUPUI University Library. Together, both experienced and new Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on women artists and artworks of Indiana.
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You're invited! Indiana Politics & Government Editathon on Saturday, May 13
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It's been an eventful state legislative session in Indiana, and local elections took place this week, so we have lots to cover! You are invited to The AMP at 16 Tech in Indianapolis for a Politics & Government editathon to improve write articles about local political and government topics of interest and improve information about local officials, candidates, elections, and legislation. Come join us at this fun venue, with free parking and refreshments provided!
We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians in Indiana User Group |
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You're invited! Wiki Loves Pride in Indianapolis
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You are invited to join us at Spades Park Branch Library for a Wiki Loves Pride editathon—hosted by the Wikimedians of Indiana User Group with support from the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Together, new and experienced Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on LGBTQ+ topics, individuals, organizations, and legislation in Indiana.
We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians of Indiana User Group |
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You're invited! Indiana State Fair Wiknic on Sunday, July 30
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We are partnering with the Indiana State Fair to offer FREE tickets to the fair for Wikipedians! We will be meeting on July 30th at 10am to pass out tickets and have a quick info session before we attend the fair (feel free to branch off and share your accomplishments on the Meetup page later!) Detailed instructions on how the day will go is available on the Meetup page! We hope you'll join us to edit about things related to fair (historic buildings, foods, animals, activities, and the fair itself). All levels of experience are welcome! Please RSVP so we know who is coming. We hope you'll join us!
We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians of Indiana User Group |
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You're invited! Underrepresented Artists of Indiana editathon on Oct. 11
| Upcoming Indianapolis event - October 11, 2023: Indiana Under-represented Artists Edit-a-thon | ||
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You are invited to Herron Art Library in Herron School of Art & Design for an Under-represented Artists of Indiana Edit-a-thon—hosted by the Wikimedians of Indiana User Group with support from the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Together, new and experienced Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on under-represented Indiana based artists and art/artist organizations and groups in Indiana today, and historically.
All levels of experience are welcome! Please RSVP so we know who is coming. We hope you'll join us!
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Modified version of File:Saint.john.ambulance.london.arp.jpg with no clear encyclopedic purpose.
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