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			== The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXIX (July 2008) ==
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	== Medieval Bosniachood ==
	There are sourced claims of Bosniakhood of people you removed from this article
	http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_Bosniaks&diff=71101922&oldid=70751197
	you can find sources here http://geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/
	{{unsigned|Bosniak|02:17, 1 October 2006}}
	== Your provacation ==
	Your provacation is tellen to other users your karakter. You are not interest for Kosovo article but to diskriminet the users witch dont know so well english. Thate is all what you whant, this is part of your dirty games. I know thate the Kosovo article is full of serbian propagander but I dont wont to lose my time with you . My target is to make the minro for neutral users. And I have maked You all, cane not presante ONE UN DOCUMENT in witch is tanding "KOSOVO IS PART OF SERBIA". By, by loser{{unsigned|172.178.105.244|23:09, 1 October 2006}}
	The rest of Kosovo article is mytologie beacose the head of the article is starting with mytologie UN dont accept thate Kosovo is part of Serbia. I dont know why, I dont to know only one think I know the UN members have forgetit this name Serbia.{{unsigned|172.178.105.244|23:13, 1 October 2006}}
	I have no idea how am I provoking you. No, I am not particularely interested in the Kosovo article - and I share discrimination for ''no one''. I don't play ''dirty games''. The Kosovo article is not full of Serbian propaganda - everyone has agreed to that version. I '''am neutral''', you can talk to me about anythin', mate. I can't present one UN document saying "Kosovo is part of Serbia", just like I can't find a single UN document saying "Vojvodina is part of Serbia". What makes me a loser? What do you percisely mean by "mythology"? UN members haven't forgotten it - Kosovo is officially a part of independent Serbia. --] 23:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
	== HRE ==
	You have changet your user name to complicet thinks like Serbia in Balkan or what is your target???{{unsigned|172.178.105.244|23:15, 1 October 2006}}
	Serbia really did complicate things in the Balkans a lot, didn't it? :) --] 23:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
	== People trying to speak English ==
	Nevertheless, Join my project: ]. Pozdrav, ] 03:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
	== Name Change ==
	Why? I liked the old one. It suited you. ] 13:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
	:He can't change it back, even if he tried. Someone else took his username and I guess is also Montenegrin because he is editing Montenegro-related articles. ] 18:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
	In a good way. It was just a little confusing seeing someone else talking in the same articulate and reasoned idiom, expounding the same views, until I realised what had happened. ] 09:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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	::I know this isn't the place to post this, but I just wanted to say that reading your posts from the last week or two has greatly increased my respect for you. (Not saying that there was none before.) Living in Kosovo, it's very easy to have a slanted view on anyone who supports Serbian policy, but, although I disagree with many of your viewpoints, I find you to be consistently civil and reasonable. I hope that more people like you will be involved in contentious articles in the future, especially as we move towards a final status that is sure to anger at least one side of the debate, and that, regardless of our differences, we'll be able to reach a compromise without reverting to (virtual) fighting. Basically keep it up, you're doing a good job. ] 21:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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			== The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXX (August 2008) ==
	You're right, policy isn't exactly the right word. Let's just say that your natural sympathies seem to lie more often on the Serbian side, as mine would on the Albanian. And as for the views on which I disagree, don't worry, you'll hear plenty from me when they come up ;) ] 15:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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			==WOW==
	== HRE active again ==
			"if I stayed - I would've lost my life, or lost my soul - for the moment that I would fire a gun (regardless to where is it pointed) - my very point of existence would have died forever, never to be resurrected; with that single shot."
			Amazing words. Thanks for that.
	What the... OK, what's happening here? Are you editing Misplaced Pages as HolyRomanEmperor? Did you register the acc or somebody else did? --] 19:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
			] (]) 06:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
	: Well, it's no matter to you, but to people who don't know that you changed usernames it does matter since they'll think it's you. I'm blocking the guy ASAP. --] 20:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
			:Lol, ''thanks''? :D --] (]) 07:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
	:: It's not a polity, it's just that you claimed to been a target of impersonation before, and you don't know who edits under your old username. It could well be the same person which took your identity last time, don't you think? I think we're better off by blocking in this case. --] 20:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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			== The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXI (September 2008) ==
	Pa znam da albanski korisnici optužuju Krisa da je Srbin, a još kad sam video tu reč, pomislio sam da su u pravu. :)) Što se Banata tiče, u vreme Turaka Srbi su bili najbrojniji narod u Banatu, s tim da su Srbi kompaktno naseljavali zapadni Banat, Rumuni istočni, dok je srednji Banat (sa Temišvarom) imao mešano srpsko-rumunsko stanovništvo, ali su Srbi preovlađivali. E sad otkud srednji Banat većinski Rumunski? Rumuni su se malo širili seobom, malo se mešali sa Srbima, pa se deo Srba porumunio, pored toga se i mnogo Nemaca naselilo u srednji Banat, pa su ih Rumuni posle drugog svetskog rata proterali, pa se naselilo onda tu još Rumuna, itd... ] ] 21:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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	== Answer about my statement ==
			==Bosnia ethnic map, 1991==
	Hello my friend! Please don't categorise the question of Trianon as an ancient historical event. I don't want to restore the border of Greater-Hungary. It will be unfair and wronger than the current borders. But the current borders are also bad and unfair. I live in ]. Watch out for its demographics, please. As you can see mre then 80% of the inhabitants are Hungarian, and the remaining 20% is not only Serb. The situation is very similar in ], ], ] etc. We don't need to speak in Serbian because in most of the shops the trader knows to speak on the majority language. The other problem is the rising of the Serb extreme nationalism. Most of the settlers who have come from Republika Srpska, Slavonia causing problems because of the wars they have anti-"minority" sentiments and use violence against Hungarians. After the seccession of Montengro their number is growing and after the future independence of Kosovo there will much more chauvinist inhabitants. Just think about it. They escape from Kosovo just because they can't stand the Montenegrin an Albanian authoroties. This is my "short" answer about my point of view. If you want to know mre about it we should talk. I've always enjoyed to speak with someone who has moderate political views. Hey I am an idealist to! :) And also a war-efugee. What kind of idealism do you support?
			Hey. I got the original ethnic map of the university of belgrade for bosnia for 1991. Ceha's indeed is an edited version that shows croats and bosniaks more numerous, far more than in 1981. Tell me, how can I upload it? This is map is part of a book so I can scan it... but what then is the copywrite status? I don't want to upload it and have it deleted. Pozdrav, (] (]) 21:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)).
	] 21:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
	<br>Oh sorry!:( My English is still not good enough. I've written that I am a war refugee, but I had thought that means to oppose wars. Sorry I'm was stupid. No I'm not a war refugee. Can I speak Hungarian everywhere in Vojvodina? Maybe in fairy tales. In the reality there is always some Serbs who want to hit me when he hears that I am speaking in Hungarian. The second problem is that I and many of my friends cannot speak Serbian well. Because the mode of Serbian language's education is very bad. On Serbian language lessons we learn more about the Serbian history than about the language itself. And the lections are mostly in somekind of ancient slavic language. It's not a joke. We sometimes read stories in pre-Vuk Karadžić Serbian language or in Macedonian. That's not very usefull. The education mode should be changed. Now I know the meaning of word war refugee and I became sad when I read it in the dictionary:( So you may have bad things in your memory when someone is talking about the Yugoslav wars. Why have you become a war refugee?] 22:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
	:I can't understand these people. Why they use there national sentiments to discriminate other. I like to be Magyar as you can see on my userpage. I like our nations literature the Hungarian poems are the worlds more rythmic ones. And Hungarian is the language of vowel harmony as linguists say. My mothertoungh is one of the beutyful langueges in the world. I love my etnicity but this is not a reason to hate others. We shouldn't use our nationality to discriminate other cultures. In my opinio nall cultures are nice in their own way. So I am against cultural globalisation but I support the idea of coproductive nations. Can I ask where do you live now?] 17:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
	:Both of us live in the world. But in which city, town of village where you have a house or a flat. Where is the computer that you make your articles. With that computer you can connect with the whole world. But WHERE is it? This is just a simple friendly question that the people usually ask from each other. OK if you don't want to answer it that is your problem.<br>
	] 18:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)<br>
	Yes of course you've answered it. I'm just a student at the moment so unfortunatly the school takes all my time and I've got no time for writing a lot of article but if I write one watch out for that please. I am intrested in your oppinion about them because you looks like a kind and a calm person whose statements are real valuable.] 19:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
			== The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXII (October 2008) ==
	== Montenegro ==
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	I'm assuming you are the same guy I was having a debate about Montenegran identity? Here is my response:
			==Image copyright problem with Image:Bosnia-ethnic-map.jpg==
	''Wait, wait, wait... Please re-read the list that I gave you - and tell me, would it be wrong to Consider Montenegrins Croats (or at least by origin). Just tell me that (and as I recall you supported 1's words of all Bosnian are ethnic Croats).''
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	As I recall, I merely pointed to the observation that such a claim was probably a debased one & that in place of the word "all", the author meant "most". In the case of the notion that "most Bosnians were ethnic Croat", I would not find it a radical thing to say that. Having said that, I reiterate that such debates are usually devoid of academic value and subject to political manipulations. I would also consider such claims personally as having ambiguous meaning, what does it mean for a whole people to be ethnic <insert nationality here>, beyond a sense of cultural kinship?
			If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the ]. Thanks again for your cooperation.<!-- Template:Di-no source-notice --> ] ] 06:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
	''Serb state control over the territory or control by a Serbian elite? What on earth are you talking about? The greater part of Montenegro speaks the root Serbian language - East Herzegovinian dialect, spoken also in Republika Srpska and West Serbia (and Dubrovnik).''
	Dubrovnik, Herzegovina and parts of Dalmatia speak the same Croatian dialect. I have roots from Eastern Herzegovina and plenty of family in Dubrovnik (which incidently has alot of Croats from Herzegovina). Trust me on this one.
			== Unblocked ==
	What I mean by state control is that throughout history smaller cultures/nations can seem non-existent, subsumed by a larger neighbour. Such is the case with the Macedonians and Slovenians, Bosnjiaks and Montenegrans.
			You have been unblocked per your appeal and consensus of comments on the admins' noticeboard regarding the possibility of doubt in the previous checkuser findings. Please don't give me reason to regret this. ] 16:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
			:lol, trust me, he won't. PaxEqulibrium has always been a respected editor throughout Misplaced Pages. Yes, he has had his moments, but who hasn't? Anyways, welcome back, Pax! --] (]) 00:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
			::Yes, welcome back :) ''']]''' 09:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
			:::Always nice to see a user get back on his feet, welcome back Pax :) --<span style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC;">] <sup>(])</sup></span> 09:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
			:::Stvarno sam bio iznenađen kada sam video da si bio blokiran, i prvi, a posebno drugi put. Šta da ti kažem, welcome back, i srećno ti wikipedisanje. --] 09:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
	'' The smaller part speaks an indiginous Kosovar Zetan dialect of the Serbo-Croat. Historicly, the Serbian language has been official in the constitution of 1910; and all Montenegrin works were written strictly in that language. the existence of similar or common language does not preclude separate identity as is the case with the Fins & Swedes for example. There's a problem here - Finnish is a lot more different than Swedish - and Finns don't call their language "Swedish language", but "Finnish" instead.''
			::::Does pax know that he's unbanned? (] (]) 22:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC))
	Again, under foreign state control, the dominant powers language would be imposed and considering the similarity of the languages, the process would be seemless. Just as you claimed that the independence movement has strong support from todays govt institutions, so too the unitarists campaign during WW1, and the first Jugoslavia would have had a free hand to foster assimilation into the Serbian identity.
			:::::Yes he know--] (]) 09:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
			== Funny story ==
	''There isn't a strong Montenegrin nationality today - with every census, more and more montenegrins opt Serbian nationality instead of Montenegrin and more and more montenegrins opt the Montenegrin language and the Montenegrin Orthodox Church, rather than the Serbian language or the Serbian Orthodox Church. The only strong Montenegrin national identity exists within the current nationalistic regime and the minority of the so-called "docleano-montenegrins", which belong to a radical group that's pro-Croat orientated, support Greater Croatian nationalist ideology, xenophoby and found quasi-historical research centers such as the "Doclean Academy of Sciences and Arts". Extremists don't deserve mention.''
			Hi, I just heard that you were unblocked. This is hilarius. Supposedly, someone stole your account. Again.
			So, there is "another" active wikipedian in your vicinity using the same IP for 2 years, and you don't know who this is and how to stop him from stealing your identity.
	Yet, there is a strong enough Montenegran nationality for them to reclaim their independence in 2006 and is certainly not a case of doing it solely for economic reasons. Down near Cetinje, after the result was known, a minority of Montenegran nationalist were singing derogatory songs about Serbs and equating them to Chetniks. The WW2 attrocities from the war between Montengran Nationalists and Greater Serb Chetniks are still remembered by some.
			This is hilarius. What is even more hilarius is that en:wiki have admins who are ready to buy this fairytale.
	To equate the Montenegran Independence movement as some orphan of Croat nationalism (through the history of Red Croatia) goes counter to some pertinent facts. For starters, the Montenegrans had independence pre-Jugoslavia Mk1. 40% odd declare Montenegran ethnicity at the last census. Montenegro has declared independence in 2006.
	''In WWII - what on earth are you talking about? The so-called "Kingdom of Montenegro" was ruled by a fascist Italian Axis puppet-regime that based itself upon the extermination of Jews, Romas and the Serbian element in Montenegro.''
			Good luck with your future sockpuppets. Anything goes here. --] (]) 13:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
	So was the Serbia under Milan Nedic and NDH under Ante Pavelic. Does that invalidate the notions of Serb and Croat nationalities or states?
			:...You are mistaken, my friend. Pax is currently studying at the University of Belgrade...which, as do most schools throughout the world with internet access, share IP addresses...So it couldn't have been Pax who did such a thing, as we all know PAx wouldn't commit to such crimes...Pax is a good Wikipedian, and I stand by that. --] (]) 22:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
	''Anyone declaring openly a Serb - was dispatched to Jasenovac, Kotor or elsewhere. In 1941 the people of Montenegro raised a Chetnik rebellion, which almost managed to overthrough the Governor's regime. With the help of the Ustasha armed forces (not many montenegrins decided to collaborate and fight), Governor Sekula Drljevic either slaughtered the Chetniks or fought-off the minority to the Royal Independent State of Croatia and/or to the Kingdom of Serbia. His next move was to eradicate anyone whatsoever related to the Chetniks and/or anything Serbian, when his Ustasha, Italian and other collaborationist corps ethnicly cleansed over 10% of Montenegro's population.''
			::And we are supposed to believe you ,just because you say that??? LOL--] (]) 09:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
	Are you are aware that disparate chetnik units collaborated with either Ustasha, German Nazis or Italian Fascists? So much so that the allies stop sending them aid. The Montenegran Chetniks were merely carrying out the plan to create Greater Serbia and to that end collaborated with fascists. Here's a link on the nature of such collaboration;
	http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/montenegro/chetniks/
			:::As far as I'm concerned, I feel that even ''if'' Pax did use sockpuppets he's been banned for quite a while and deserves a second chance. (A ''third'' chance, however, is a different matter as I'm sure we'll all agree.) --<span style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC;">] <sup>(])</sup></span> 09:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
	Point is that a fascist government does not invalidate a national identity.
			Let's think this way.
	''The fascistoid regime retreated to Zagreb, where it founded a Government in Exile after the Axis forces introduced martial control and were subsequently expelled by the Partisans; drafting there a constitution and re-writing the Montenegrin national anthem so that it could evade mentioning anything Serbian. In 1945, the People's Assembly of Montenegro declared In Montenegro live only the purest of Serbs, however, Tito responded by Montenegrins are Serbs, different from other Serbs, and a dark period of history came until it was formalized in 1946 that all Montenegrins, no matter of origin accept the Montenegrin nationality - naturally, only Serbs accepted this on large scale. It is not until 1974 that the Serbian element in Montenegro was eradicated, when the Communists mass-burned several Churches, including the personal endowment of Njegos himself.''
			What a person whose wiki-identity is stolen do? It would propably '''immediately''' contact some admin and tried to take back his account and win back the respect of the comunity.
	It is a flaw to denote Montenegran Independence as some sort of Fascist invention. The same notion was tried with Croatdom despite it's rich history - hence I take any such notion with skepticism. The 1974 constituion was an attempt to short circuit the ongoing battle between fedaralists and unitarits adn formalise the equality of nations concept which was the foundation of the Partisan movement. Otherwise you would not have a Croatia or Bosnia or Macedonia Or Crnagora for fear of the Greater Serbia politics of the 1st Jugoslavia.
			What a person who was blocked for having 70 sockpuppets would do? He would waited 3 months so noone can recheck his old IP addresses, and then he would claim that this "identity thief" used inly his job's IP address.
	Whilst I concede that there may be some credence to the historical and cultural kinship you bring up, I think the notion of ethnic origin of a whole people is flawed, subject to misinterpretation and goes counter to modern day reality.
	] 07:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
			Pax waited 3 months and few days.
	::''. It was made by Croat and international experts: "The Grammatics of the Croatian or Serbian language". The pink colour show the shtokavian iekavian speakers - of whome the vast majority speaks the east Herzegovina dialect - most/all of them were ethnic Serbs (except for Dubrovnik Croats - although that again turns down to their ol' controversy of once being Serbs).''
	::: What is iekavian? I was under the impression that there are only three standards of the Stokavian dialect, ikavian (Dalmatian and on the Islands), ijekavian (nominally associated with Croatian and used in parts of Slavonia, BiH, Dubrovnik, considered the pure standard by purists of the Croatian language), and ekavian (nominally associated with Serbian and dominant in Serbia, and also associated withthe Kajkavian dialect). I have never heard of half ikavian or ijekavian. I take the map with a grain of salt as I would anything that came from the 1954 Novi Sad agreement, because of the alleged duress from Communist authorities involved. The conference was a political attempt to artificially unify the Croatian and Serbian languages. ] 06:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
			So, people, don't be naive, or even worse - don't knowingly support sockmaster just because you share (]) political views with him.
	::''You note Serbian state control - just problem is, there was no such. Serbia was created in the 19th century - while Montenegro practicly never ceased to exist (really formed in the late 17th century - drawing origins from even the early 16th). Compare the Montenegrins to Dalmatians - Dalmatians are nowdays assimilated into the Croatian national being.''
	::: Apart from the Serbian empire of the 14th century, you have the fragile state of Rascia which often was subjugated by the Bulgar and Byzantine states, and in periods of neighbours influence declining, Rascia would expand to include parts of BiH and Crnagora where after a certain time, Serbian princes established themselves. Dalmatian wasn't a nationality (unless you are referring to Roman/Illyrian inhabitants prior to the arrival of the Croats), It was geographic reference stemming from the name of the Roman prefecture. That geographic reference exists today. Dalmatia was the territory where the White Croats formed their state. Furthermore, there never was an indigenous Dalmatian independence movement. Autonomists were either local Serbs or Italians that sought union with their respective neighbours. Monenegro on the other hand has an indigenous population (that is not to preclude Serbs as a constituent nation of Montenegro), that voted for independence. ] 06:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
			--] (]) 06:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
	::''Comparison between Milan and Ante or Sekule, who were real ''leaders'' cannot be done.
	:::I think the differentiation you make is artificial. Both Ante and Milan lobbied their political masters (Hitler) in order to curry favour. Both had their own forces in addition to occupation forces (German or Italian). In the NDH, the black legion had to move base from Mostar to Sarajevo b/c Mostar was in Italian sphere of influence and the Italians did not want an elite Croatian force there. Both had parts of their country carved out and given to a neighbour. Both were under the delusion that they were acting in their country's best interest (i.e. their collaboration was born out of existential reasons).] 06:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
			==important==
	::''There were many reasons for the 2006 Montenegrin seccession. And they were good reasons. But the truth behind it cannot stay hidden. Milo Djukanovich (who was unarguably a Serbian nationalist and descendent of those very same Chetniks) used/fueled Montenegrin nationalism to save himself from jail. While the top government's official have political immunity, Republican do not - and he is the most wanted man in Italy, not to mention his other henious crimes.''
	:::I find it hard to believe that 55% of Montenegro's population voted for independence b/c of Government propaganda motivated to keep Djukanovich out of jail (I don't question the possibility of the motivation, but I question it's relevance and relation to what the voters wanted and that was an independent Montenegro). 70 odd years of Jugoslavia and promotion of Jugoslavian nationality and barely 15% of the population considered themselves Jugoslav. Yet in Montenegro, you have 43%+ calling themselves Montenegran.] 06:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
			It is of huge importance, that you tell the copywrite status of the 1991 ethnic map that you uploaded. Ceha is trying to get it deleted because of copywrite status. If you created it you can say it's your creation and are releasing it to the public domain. This way the map can be secured and not deleted. (] (]) 21:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)).
	::''Please don't use "Greater Serb" - the actual term is POV.''
			These are your maps which need copywrite status...
	:::The term is NPOV. It describes the ideology of appending all territory considered historically or ethnically Serbian to the current Serb boundaries. It is no different or no more POV than Greater Germany, Greater Albania, Greater Croatia etc.
			http://commons.wikimedia.org/Image:BH1991.png
	:::Despite the Red Croatia theory and historical reference, and those who support it, there is a Montenegran nation that has more in common with the Herzegovinans (Croats and Serbs) and the Croatians in Dalmatia. And this nation voted overwhelmingly for independence whereas the autochonous Serbs voted against it. ] 06:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
			http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:BH1991.jpg
			http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:BH1991.png
			Please also leave a comment in the talk page of those maps, as we need to keep them.
			(] (]) 21:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)).
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			And do tell us how you made them. Cause if you made them editing (or coloring) anything remotly similar to than it should be deleted because you did not have copyright to edit that kind of data. You had to get submunicipal borders from somewhere. Also according to Laz, those maps are not correct and do not show settlment borders , see eastern tip of Derventa, Donji Višnjik settlment. No copywrite rights, bad borders, bad data. Simple solution, simple deletion.
			--] <small>(])</small> 22:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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			Ceha, you made your maps by editing other maps. That's a fact.
			I see nothing wrong with coloring over the national geographic map.
			Pax is under no obligation to tell us how he created his maps. Be it painting over, using a base map, or doing all sorts of other things such as paint, GIS, photoshop, or other things. According to me, Pax's map is far more accurate than the miserable map(s) that you support, some which have already been deleted. (] (]) 05:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)).
			<br><br>Laz, try to read wikipedia's policy about copywrite. Editing maps without copywrite writes on those belgrade's maps(which he did do) is a breach of copywrite. Editing any map (including National gographics) without premision of the author is a breach of copywrite contract. Only of my maps which were deleted were due to copywrite problems.<br>
			For all the maps, according to wikipedia policy, author must give checkablle sources so it can be validated. So, yes, Pax obligation is to tell us how he created those maps and if they are in any breach with wiki policies (which they are) they will be deleted. <br>
			As for my maps of which do we argue about they are made by coloring blank municipal map of BiH (which can be downloaded from the net with edit copywrites) and bih census of 1991 and other sources which are listed there. <br>
			Laz, please, try to comprehend than '''according to you''' is not a valid wikipedia mesure and that you should stick to wikipedia rules. They, on all possible levels, do promote deletion of Pax's map. Only reason why it hasn't been done yet is because of our outgoing discussion. Hower, as it reaches it's end, those maps will be deleted for certain. --] <small>(])</small> 07:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
			<br><br>I think that you do not understand one thing. When I took cartography, our professor said that nobody can attack someone for using a certain base-map, when it comes to copywrite issues. Basemaps really can not be copywrited. It is what is on the basemap. Furthermore, it is okay to reproduce a map that looks like another map, but which is a bit different. Pax probably used GIS to get some cadastral sub-municipal borders, and then when he finished he just removed the borders, which is easy to do in GIS. The point is that you want to get his cartography skills and other stuff, so that you can enhance the quality of your bad maps, to try to make it look like they are good. (] (]) 16:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)).
			<br>Laz, you are a bit paranoid, aren't you? Those maps were made by editing (probably in paintbrush)map (of which you claim it is from Belgrade's University, and which can be found on Rastko pages. I advised you to read and because you confuse fredom of information legistlation with public domain. There is no blank submunicipal basemap of bih whith free copywrite and you and Pax can be blocked if eather of you do post copyrighted material despite appropriate warnings.
			--] <small>(])</small> 04:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
			Actually all base maps are free. Nobody can persecute someone for what they use as a base map. They can only quarrel over what is shown on the map, if it is too similar. I can take a rand mcnally map of a state of the US, scan it, delete everything on there asides from the border of the state, and put whatever I want on it, and it would be okay. It is not possible to persecute based on the base map. Furthermore, one can re-create base maps. And lastly, if this is true what you say, then nobody can make any new maps that are accurate. You are using a bosnian base map for the entire country, so by your logic, it must be deleted ASAP. (] (]) 19:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)).
	::''Check out . The West sees this as the solution to the Balkan Question. While Croatia would receive a south-western Croatian-populated part of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro are seen as "United Serb States" together with a part of the Croatian coastline at Prevlaka and the northern part of Kos-met; while the greater part of Metohija and Kosovo would become part of a greater Albania, together with most northwestern Macedonia''
	::: Certainly interesting but highly unlikely - especially in light of the Montenegrans voting for independence and likely independence for Kosovo. The prevlaka and Posavina issue also seems problemmatic. Is there a source outside the Njegos website that has any information on this?
			Ceha, you see this map?? http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:DemoBIH2006a.png You took that and changed the colors as well as other things. Why should your new version of this map not be deleted? Same stuff. (] (]) 21:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)).
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	With - unfortunately my Cyrillic is a little rusty. :-) Well, there is no real clear definition of the difference between dialect and language. However, the unification of the Croatian and Serbian languages into Serbo-Croat was also political as was it's unravelling. It followed the pan-slavic groups and attempts to subvert Austro-Hungarian Hegemony via the vehicle of South Slav unity for some, an expansion of the Serb state for others. An example of this was the 1954 Novi Sad conference which tried to Serbianise the Croat language and in effect created one standard, as well the political repercussions including the Croatian Spring. But Croatian and Serbian, despite large sections of commonality are disparate languages in terms of their historical and cultural development (Croatian being more diverse - ca, kaj, sto - whereas in Serbian one standard seems to dominate), and differs in terms of the use of neologisms.
	Is Serbo-Croat still an official language of any country / institution? If not, then does it not make it a dead language? :-)
			Pax is not aware that he is unblocked... is he? (] (]) 19:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC))
	I think it is true that Dioclea and even Bosnia would at times take over territory of Rascia. It's certainly the case that Dioclea was firmly in the Serbia sphere or orbit from about the 12th century? onwards. But the ethnic/national reality of today suggests that there was an underlying national identity that was overshadowed by the bigger neighbour to the north east. THe same applied to Bosnjiaks. The term ''more Montenegrins was for a state union with Serbia'' - how is this determined and what does it mean exactly? What is defined as Montenegran - those Serbs that have a strong Montenegran regional idenity, or those of the Montenegran nation, separate from Serbs? Has this type of national question ever been asked in a poll? If it is a poll question, then I can see big issues with the research design.
			Laz, again, do you read wikipedia policies or? Did you read what copywrite had sorce of this map ? According to copywrite I had rights to change it. Pax's map does not have needed copywrite. I'm sorry to tell you that, again. If you can find apropriate base map wich shows submunicipial borders of BiH from institution which has the right to show it and which does not have copywrite issues, do please tell me. I'm very interested in that kind of map>:)<br>
	Milan Nedic had a government (see ]), albeit a puppet one, and was in charge of day to day affairs, including the concentration camps such as Banjaca and the persecution of Jews and Roma. No different to the Petain government of Vinchy France. The Pavelic government, like the Nedic government was an unelected minority group imposed by Germany/Italy. The question of influence is a red herring - Ante and Milan were both collaborationists, with the supposed existential concern for their people, both took part in the machinations that resulted in persecutions and ultimately both caused their peoples great harm. If there was a difference, it would be in the view of the first Jugoslavia and their perception of it's makeup (federalist vs unitarist) or even association with it (independence vs maintenance).
			Pax's map are going to be deleted because of the breech of copywrite. Simple as that. Do try to read wiki policy before going into the discussion.
			--] <small>(])</small> 07:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
			Actually these maps may be perfectly fine. We need to hear what PAX says. And he need not say how he made it, as it is legal to use any base map. His map does not have any boundaries inside the country. (] (]) 04:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)).
	The point about the Serbian medieval state is that it's history along with the SPC were the vehicles for perpetuation of an identity identity (initially elite based until the modern era of popular based nationalism). Thus, the interpretation of that state has an important influence in shaping modern national movenments - the same applies to the Croat medieval state, although Croatia was never entirely conquered by the Turks and perpetuity was ensured through state institutions and the existence of Croatia as a Hungarian/Hasburg crown land, initial as a whole and later as a triune kingdom.
			Due to wikipedia policies, maps has been deleted. Laz do try to read previous conversation I'm not going to explain it all ab infinitum.--] <small>(])</small> 06:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
	I think you can sum up the likes of Djukanovic (and Milosevic) into one word - "careerist". However, there is one crucial difference b/w him and Milosevic - Milosevic tried to hang onto power no matter what. Djukanovic has won his elections, including the last which was free and fair (don't know about previous elections). And even after winning power, he has decided to retire (incidently, do you know why he retired?). What does the ICTY want him for? - the attack on Dubrovnik?
			==Email==
	The fact that the head of state and head of the MPS are Serbs does complicate things. But doesn't preclude the existence of an Montenegran "ethnicity".
			Sorry but I can't trust you like earlier and because of that our only possibility is to talk on discussion pages. ] has fallen on your words but every checkuser is knowing story about 3 months.
	I am still interested in the New Balkan draft. DO you know where the Njegos site sourced it's information.
	Cheers, ] 02:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
			Like we have spoken in better times about ] I am not interested in emotional arguments and personal thinking, but only in sources. All sources are speaking that annexation of Montenegro has been against Montenegrin laws. If you want more data which is not in article: Podgorica Assembly has been against points 2 and 70 of Montenegro constitution.
	== ] ==
			All statements which can be declared questionable are supported by sources, and because of that I can't understand where is problem. It is important to notice that event writen in article are supported by montenegrin historians, school books ..... I can understand that Serbia and people from Montenegro which are today for union with Serbia see things differently and this can be added in article, but only in separated section using rules ]. In my thinking this is only possible solution if you want to add your theories--] (]) 10:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
	Hi Pax, I see you've been having issues at the Shkodër article. Do you need any assistance? --] 15:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
			:Što ste ga napali, covječe?! Ma pusti te ga na miru. Čim je deblokiran, vi nalazite razlozi da biste ga odmah blokirali, opet. Ma kakvo je to poštovanje, ljudi? --] (]) 02:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
	:I'll keep an eye on it. Interestingly, the dispute seems to be about languages - if you check the revision histories of ], ], ], ] etc, you'll see quite a bit of edit warring over the names; they seem to consider it ]. That's odd considering Albanian nationalists are claiming territory form almost all their neighbors. Also, sorry for changing my username (]) in the middle of the discussion - I followed your example! --] 18:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
			: Rjecina, zna se da su namjere Podgoričkog skupština bile ilegalne i nijesu se slažili sa tadašnjom Crnogorskom ustavom, ali Srbi propagiraju to i kažu da su to neistine i da su činovi te skupštine bili fer. Pa šta će čovjek uraditi ako samo može koristiti izvore sa Srpskim bibliotecima? Mora da doprinosi nešto, barem njihove mišljenje, zar ne? --] (]) 02:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
	== Arpagjiki ==
	Yes I'm aware that it was a plain removal. But that part of the article had no connection whatsoever with Albanian language, and because of that it deserved to be deleted. Thanks for the welcoming message by the way! {{unsigned|Arpagjiki|14:02, 4 October 2006}}
	: There was a socalled chechen-albanian-english dictionary, the words that it contained had no meaning with english language. It's obvious that it was wirtten by some retarded guy who maybe thought that he had discovered america :P. These kind of things shouldn't be tolerated here in wikipedia! {{unsigned|Arpagjiki|07:44, 7 October 2006}}
			: Čeho, o'kle znaš sad da je slika o demografiji stanovništva Bosne i Hercegovine ilegalno postavljena na Wikipediji. Gdje su vam dokazi? Pokaži nam vaših izvora za vašu žalbu, pa ćemo vidjeti ko je u pravu ovdje. Možda je tvoja informacija pogrešna i bezvrijedna, možda i nije ali ćemo ikako saznati kada vidimo te vaše izvore. ;) --] (]) 02:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
	==Constitution of Croatia==
	The text in question was changed in 1997 or so. The original 1990 version ran as I quoted, check it
	. --] 04:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
			::Pozdrav prevalis. Imaš 2 izvora i većina ti se može naći u mojoj raspravi s Lazom . Međutim s obzirom na dužinu, dvje stvari su najbitnije:
	Hello, I was born in Trebinje but lived there only until the age of 6, then we went to Dubrovnik (Ragusan is my name here!!). Since 1982 I have lived with my wife in England. But my sister tells me it is typical autumn for Herzegovina (she is in Trebinje now). But I am still Balkanite at heart! :) ] 23:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
			::*Podopćinske granice prikazane na slici nisu granice naselja. Ovdje se nalazi prilično dobra karta (bar tako mislim) položaja i granica naselja , a Pax-ova karta ima iste granice kao i na . Pogledaj onaj mali dio špic općine Derventa na istoku. Gornji Višnjik. Drugačije. Korisnik Laz tvrdi da je to zato jer su to granice katastarskih jedinica a ne naselja
			::*Podaci koje je korisnik Laz17 koristio za prikaz toga se razlikuju od popisa stanovništva 1991, što možeš vidjeti na pod podnaslovom '''valid data'''. Imaš i neke podatke za kupres pod podnaslovom '''Kupres data request''' gdje vidiš razliku barem na području jedne općine (Laz je pustio još par općina, ali te rasprave su poslije izbrisane).
			::<br>A glavni razlog ti je što su karte vjerojatno pokupljenje s www.rastko.org što su POV stranice (velikosrpske). Uglavnom, Pax ih je vjerojatno odtuda pokupio i zatim prefarbao. S obzirom da nije imao valjan copywrite, niti izvore karte su sada izbrisane.
			::U svakom slučaju, dodatna objašnjenja ne škode. Pozdrav,
			::--] <small>(])</small> 07:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
			:::Ceha, da ti nesto priopcim... podatci sa http://hr.wikipedia.org/Kategorija:Popis_stanovni%C5%A1tva_u_Bosni_i_Hercegovini_1991. su takreci isti ko sam mojim podatcima. Mozda se razlikuje broj stanovnika za nekoliko ljudi, ali je procenat isti. Dakle nije bitno koji se podatci koriste. Problem je da ti koristis podatke sa http://www.fzs.ba/Podaci/nacion%20po%20mjesnim.pdf sta je totalno sranje. Ko sto vidimo, taj tvoj PDF file je sranje, zato sto neprikazuje sva naselja. Najbolji primer je glamoc. Naravno da nikad necu da priznam taj glupi pdf file. Ali priznajem taj sa hrvatke vikipedije, jer su ISTI procenti kao i moji podatci, sa sve te jedinice.
			:::Te karte nisu iz rastko organizacije. Te karte su sa univerziteta beograda, i rastko ih samo prikazuje. Nije rastko previo te karte. karte neodgovaraju cehi jer se surprostavljaju sa njegovom ustaskom propagandom koja zeli da prikaze da ima sto vise hrvata po herceg bosni, centralnoj bosni, i posavini. Ceha pljuje na svim mapama, dal su sa univerziteta beograda, sa magazina national geographic, ili sa drugih izvora. Otvoreno je rekao da nece da stavlja mala srpska naselja na mape, ali u privremeno ima mala hrvatska naselja. Uzas je od coveka, treba bit izbrisan sa wikipedije ako se ja pitam. Plus, zove me slep jer je on slep - mozes na diskusiji videti da mu lepo priopcim mape od kljuca i od sanskog mosta... covek nevidi gde su njegovi podatci pogresni... ko da jede pa moram da mu sazvacem, da mu sve objasnim da svati to sto se jasno vidi ali on zaboga nevidi. On je nacionalista koji je protiv znanja, nego je za propagandu velike hrvatske. (] (]) 21:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)).
			::::Ok, Laz za ove optužbe si prijavljen na ANI-ju. Mislim da sam pokazao i previše strpljenja oko nekih pitanja.
			::::I nemoj lagati. Rekao sam da karte ne prikazuju enklave manje od 150 stanovnika. To što si ti ugrožen (i uskoro blokiran) to je tvoj problem. U općini Glamoč uopće nema hrvatskih naselja.
			::::A da si malo pročitao pravila wikipedije shvatio bi što su službeni izvori, što je provjera podataka i što može proći kao valjani podatak. Ono što si ti meni slao nema nikakve reference, ne može se nikako provjeriti i može sasvim lagano biti izmišljeno. Nakon što te odblokiraju, potrudi se proučiti pravila, da se incidenti ne bi ponavljali.
			::::Što se tiče podataka, ponoviti ću ti još jednom, i to blago jer mogu vidjeti da imaš problema sa shvaćanjem. Taj pdf file po kojemu cijelo vrijeme pljuješ je '''službeni podatak'''. Prilikom izrade karte su korišteni podaci po naseljima iz knjige bilten 234, što lagano možeš provjeriti po nacionalnim wikipedijama s prostora bivše jugoslavije.
			::::U budućnosti, nadam se da ćeš se malo civilizirati te da se nećeš ponašati ko 13o godišnje djete.
			::::--] <small>(])</small> 22:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Koga to zajebavas? Kakvo Glamoc? pricamo o grahovu! Imas hrvatska mesta tamo, mesta koja imaju 2 stanovnika i oko 100 stanovnika. To mozes, a ispod su 150, a srpska u tomislavgradu nemozes zato sto su srbi. Pokazujes direktnu nacionalisticku mrznju jer diskriminises protiv srba. (] (]) 00:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)).
			:::::Bre providan si sa tvojim stvarima... evevi gde su neki drugi podatci, jer je ociledno da nisu pobrisali ono sranje gde si branio tvoje dve lazne mape - http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bosnia_and_Herzegovina/Image_discussion_Bih_1991.jpg (] (]) 04:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)).
			:::::::This is english wiki and we all need to write using english language.
			:::::::For all users interested in discussion about Bosnian maps you can enter discussion on ]
			:::::::Pax we will speak about Podgorica Assembly tomorow. From time to time I have really enyoyed our discussions :)--] (]) 06:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
			::::::::Data which I talk about is that data from ex-yu wikis. That is the official data from 234 Bilten and census 1991.
			::::::::Again, Laz, I would like to ask you that you do not lie. You mentioned Glamoč, which can be seen on ani; ''Discussion is indeed leading nowhere. Ceha has openly said that his map is a simplified map, so he will not take into account small settlements of certain groups. Let me clue you all in to what this means. For example, he justified excluding two serbian regions in the municipality tomislavgrad, because he says they are too small. Yet, he includes two even smaller croat regions in a nearby municipality, '''glamoc'''. How can he know what he is doing when he is on purpose excluding serbian areas because of small size, yet not excluding croat ones that are even smaller? That's just mind boggling. It spells of propaganda and POV. (LAz17 (talk) 16:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)).
			::::::::''end of quote.--] <small>(])</small> 07:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::::both start with a G and they sound the same. You could have easily figured out what I was talking about. (] (]) 19:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)).
			::::::::::I'm not a mind reader. Lern to express yourself. And no, G'''LAMOC''' and G'''RAHOVO''' do not sound similar.--] <small>(])</small> 09:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
			I have created new section on Podgorica assembly talk page.--] (]) 18:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==
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	You want to help me out with this? I'd really appreciate it :) --] 01:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
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	== Re: ==		== Re: ==
			No problem, mate. It's ridiculous that these Croats would be this anti-Serbian, especially towards you, a respected Wikipedian, but hey, they are propagandists just like the Serbs, but no matter, it will and will always be an endless war. I will look deeper into this situation, as requested by Ceha and Rjecina. --] (]) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
	I'm from Montenegro. My mom is from Berane while my dad is from Podgorica. ] 15:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
			About Nikola Radonjic, I haven't really written any Historical article after you left but I'll give it a shot. I want to get more active on Misplaced Pages, now that we all have some backup :D. I have a lot of articles in mind, and will be writing up a bulk of them by the end of December, hopefully. --] (]) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
	:Unfortunately, no. I'm Muslim. How about you? (the clan thing) ] 16:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
			I have some text about him in the Historical Lexicon of Montenegro, but if you'd like, you may e-mail me the book. Holmia, with proper references, can be created even if it doesn't exactly pertain to Misplaced Pages guidelines, as it was significant in the Vasojevic clan history, unless you suggest we add Holmia as a section within the Vasojevici (or Nikola Radonjic) article. However, in the Lexicon, his name is given as Nikola Milošević Vasojević, son of Prince Staniša Mihaila Milošević Vasojević. If you say otherwise, then so be it, you'd know better. But I'd suggest the article be named ''Nikola, Knez of Vasojevici'', ''Nikola, Prince of Vasojevici'' or ''Nikola Vasojevic''. You decide, because I, at this point, am undecided. --] (]) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
	== Hello!!! ==
			BTW, I forgot to mention, a certain Montenegrin Wikipedian known as ], has returned to Misplaced Pages, as had ] (but he remains largely inactive :S). --] (]) 11:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
	I just got back to Misplaced Pages, but I don't understand why you mean I was furious. Are you saying that because of my high anti-Islamic sentiment? Or, you may have another reason, which I don’t know. --] 03:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
			:Welcome back, mate. How was your trip? --] (]) 04:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
	It’s not that I hate Muslims or something... I respect their right to observe their religion but I don’t believe it is right for them to destroy our culture. You understand. I am not against Muslims who deal with their own affairs but I am against those who direct all their deeds against Christianity and/or Western Civilization.--] 01:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
			:Anyways, I wrote up the text to the Nikola Vasojević article, but I was waiting on you for your sources, because my source is, well, the only one I can find :S. You may e-mail me via the E-mail User function as I have registered my e-mail on Misplaced Pages ;). --] (]) 04:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
			== Name of Montenegro ==
	And by the way I am really eager to find out why you called me furious…--] 01:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
			I nominated article about Montenegro on Serbian Misplaced Pages for featured article, but I'm not sure from where name Montenegro came from. Various states that it came from edict to Vranjina monastery, but who gave the edict and when? Uroš in 1276 or Milutin in 1296? And do you have something about Venetian, Dubrovnik and Kotor sources for names Cerna Gora, Montagna Negra, Montenegro and Monte Negro? --] 21:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
			Why? Well, there is a faction among Serbian Wikipedians who calls for overciting. But now they are minor problem. What it is your opinion about article Montenegro regarding NPOV? It is clear now that the article wont pass the vote, but I'll renominate it later. --] 15:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
	I understand you. I have a lot of Muslim friends and I am OK with Albanian Muslims because they are oriented towards the nation and not the religion. It's their right to practice the faith if they want... But, I strongly disagree with what Ottomans for example did. Saudi Arabia, for instance, is fine for me because they don't bother anybody with their faith. But Iran is doing the contrary...--] 04:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
			Mhhm, sources for what? I think that more important is ''what''' is referenced rahter than how many references are in a article. Anyway, I'll expand article for the next nomination. --] 08:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
	== Time Range of Serbdom as the official ideology of Montenegro==
	I wish I knew the answer, but,I don't. Nevertheless, in our quest to find out, I would make a distinction between Serbdom as an officially adopted state ideology and Serbdom being existent as only one of competing ideologies. ] 03:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
	:I still don't quite understand your question. It looks like now you are asking: "When is the first time when terms 'Serb' and 'Orthodox' were equated. My answer to this is: the term 'Serb' is a moving target, i.e. its meaning to Montenegrin people changed through history. Montenegrins refered in the 'dark ages' to muslims as 'Turks' and to orthodox as 'Serbs'. In my opinion, this is due to the organisation of Otoman Empire in 'milets', each milet refering to a separate religion. Milet means 'narod', therefore narod = Orthodox = Serb. Montenegrins considered themselves as a part of 'Orthodox milet', but, they called their particular group Montenegrins. In short, my answer would be, roughly from the time Otoman Empire conquered present-day Montenegro onwards. ] 01:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
	::"As far as I understood, the theory holds that Montenegrins have falsly been Serbs just because of their religion, is that true?" Some people, like Radoslav Rotkovic, might come close to your interpretation. However, it all comes down to what was the definition of the term 'Serb' at a particular point in time. I would think that in the 18th century and earlier, 'Serb' = 'Orthodox', for the reasons I pointed out above. Montenegrins considered themselves as a distinctive group belonging to wider Serbian=Orthodox people. As they were uneducated people, whatever the Church promoted was a gospel. 19th century is a different story as it is a century of nationalist ideology in general. As you pointed out, the Ilirian/Great Serbian ideology of national liberation was developed and there is an obvious inconsistency in the way the term 'Serb' was used as it was now sometimes used for all three major religions ("lepo, lipo, ljepo i lijepo, latice su istoga cvijeta" - said Njegos. If you like, the term for Montenegrins meant similar thing to the present term Yugoslav. The next crucial moment in history is, of course, the rude awakening of 1918. The Montenegrins were not shown respect, the worst thing you can do if you understand their ethics. Furthermore, they finally had a chance to get to know the people from Serbia from direct contact and they realised they are actually diferent. As someone , was it Lincoln, said "You cannot fool all people all the time"... To sumarise, regardless of which angle you look from, Montenegrins always considered themselves a distinctive and separate group of people. They also understood they belonged to a larger family of the people language of which they could understand. You can call that larger group 'Serbs' , 'Slavs', 'Yugoslavs', take your pick. In political terms, they wanted unification with their fellow Slavs, but, '''only on equal terms and with mutual respect''', as their ethical code commands. After a century of trying, they realised it is never going to work. Now, how about turning it all upside down, can you give me a brief run-down of the evolution of the term "Serb', as seen from the point of view of Serbia, through history?] 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
	::I forgot to emphasise, in 19th century the term ''Serb'' for Montenegrins meant similar thing to the present term ''Yugoslav'' not to the present term ''Serb'', which excludes non-Orthodox people.] 01:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::My question was: What was the meaning/definition of the term ''Serb'' as seen from say Dositej, Garasanin, Vuk, Cvijic, Ljotic, Seselj, Karadzic etc. Did it change? ] 01:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
	::::Thanks. Yes I meant Radovan :-). As you know, Hitler was an Austrian, doesn't change the fact that Germans followed him. Only Radovan was born and bred Serb from Montenegro, not a Montenegrin. Thank God there is a distinction there. Anyway, you can't ignore the dark side of history as irrelevant. Cvijic is someone I would like to study more, but, his works seem to be rare as hens teeth on the net :-( ] 13:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
			Yes, I missed, sorry. I added into the article parts about ], generating electricity in the country (from Italian Misplaced Pages), climate and list of the biggest towns of Montenegro per last census. --] 20:30, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
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			==WikiProject Montenegro makeover==
	== ZAVNOs in Serbia and Slovenia ==
			Hi,
	Hi there, history-man, could you fill up the gaps here:
	* Slovenia -
	* Croatia - ]
	* BiH - ]
	* Serbia -
	* Montenegro - ]
	* Macedonia - ]
	I just can't seem to find the last two and that makes me nervous... --] 19:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
	: I found "Antifašistička skupština narodnog oslobođenja Srbije"... and for Slovenia, I guess you wouldn't know. --] 20:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
	:: Jesi siguran za ASNOS? Jerbo, google ne zna nista o tome... --] 15:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
	::: Aha, bez A je. Dakle, samo SNOS. Oodlicno. --] 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::: Ha, usporedi sam: , . --] 09:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
			Since you are the creator of this WikiProject, was wondering what you thought of this makeover created . I've posted a notice on the WikiProject's talk page . Let me know what you think, if it is ok with the group to merge the original page to the new one created. Regards. ] (]) 22:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
	==Heya Pt2.==
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			==Mapa - Ugrin Čak==
	A fundamental principle of Misplaced Pages is to ] and you have not done so. Secondly, there should be no links to disambiguation pages as per ]. ] and ] are all disambiguation pages and should not be linked to. In my edits, I changed
	#Bosnia to ] which is the right choice given the date of the subject in question.
	#Bosnian to ] since the ] article talks about the current citizens of Bosnia and Hertzogovina, which includes both ethnic Bosnians (Bosniaks), Serbians and Croations. Since the sentence also includes a link to ], to distinguish, the link should be ] as done. I will be reverting your change, so there are no links to disambiguation pages as per policy. Regards, -- ] 19:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
	::You should also read ]. Regards, -- ] 19:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::Find a better way to word the sentence to mark the subtleties, but don't link to disambiguation pages. -- ] 19:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
			Zašto si uklonio moju mapu iz članka o Ugrinu Čaku sa objašnjenjem da je sporna? šta smatraš spornim na mapi? (odgovori mi ovde, molim te) ] 13:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
	Also from the ] page (which by the way is not disputed) it states:
	:"The term Bosnian is somewhat imprecise in this context, as it is used to denote all inhabitants of Bosnia regardless of ethnic origin (i.e. not only Bosniaks, but also Serbs, Croats or any other group in the country)."
	and
	:"The earliest (genetic) roots of the Bosniak people can be traced back to the ancient populations that expanded into the Balkans following the Last Glacial Maximum 21 thousand years ago."
	-- ] 19:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
			Translation:
	::Sorry, after re-reading the Bosnians and Bosniaks pages, I don't believe that there is an inherent POV being implied, and think that the links are the correct ones for someone with no understanding to understand the situation in the best possible way. If you feel strongly, go and change the links, but just don't link to dab pages. -- ] 14:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::Because ] article refers the citizens of the current country. -- ] 23:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
	::::I don't understand your accusations of POV and I personally feel there is no POV implied, but if you feel strongly, go ahead and change the links. At the same time, please stop bothering me; it might sound bad, but I've spend enough time reading the articles, and to my mind there is nothing wrong, and more importantly it's not that important to me. Regards, -- ]
			''Why have you removed my map from the article on Ugrin Csak with the definition that it is questionable? What do you consider questionable on the map (please respond to me in here)''.
	:::::Once again, I believe the Bosniaks article is better than the Bosnians article which includes Croat and Serbian ethnic groups. This is my final comment on the issue, check my contributions to find the links. -- ] 00:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
			That was a long time ago, I don't really remeber. If I recall, the borders were far too OR to be acceptable to the wikipedia. --] (]) 10:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
	==Farewell Milo==
	I don't have any wested interests in Milo,however, I think it is a loss if he leaves politics at this stage. What is your opinion? ] 02:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
			:I do not understand what you want to say (šta znači "the borders were far too OR"?). Can I improve or change this map in some way to be OK for you? Please tell me what I should change there? OK? ] 20:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
	Sorry, was not online a while. Indeed it was for work that I came to England in 1982, I had qualifications in English, movement was free and easy for us in Yugoslavia and I landed a job at a London based advertising company. I now live 40 miles outside of the nasty city! Of course I still have family in Dubrovnik, Trebinje, Kotor and most of the rest in Zagreb, with one or two in Rijeka. You are free to ask, I keep no secrets! :) ] 11:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
	::Oh good Heavens no that was not the reason Pax, I was gone well before the problems happened, I served in the army first in Backa Topola and finally in Strumica (Macedonia), I had very good friends from all over the former Yugoslavia including two room-mates both muslim, we all kept in touch for years after our service and I am still in contact with 90% of them now - to us, the war is as though it never happened. A lad called Halid served with me in Strumica, he is from Srebrenica; whilst the massacres happened, he sat at home, nobody forced him out, nobody bothered him - he was not selected by the Bosnian Serbs for expulsion/death as he had no links to the Muslim rebels; equally my nephews today are the same. Trebinje had little to worry about during the conflict but one of them was living in Tuzla at the time, he (is Croat by declaration) too had no fears and all from having kept out of politics. I am glad to say that my whole family is largely outside of the problems, one reason I have never called myself a Croat even though in the eyes of most people, that is what I should be. ] 22:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
	== All hail Romania! ==		== Bribery?! ==
			I belive that the structures of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, namely its Ministry of Faiths bribed the ] to give up its jurisdiction over the Orthodox Faith in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
	"All hail Romania!
	(if you're still there!!!) --HolyRomanEmperor 13:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)"
			See http://www.istocnik.com/articles/38/dijaspora.html
	Imaš nekih saznanja gdje se čovjek nalazi? Čovjek ko da je u zemlju propo... ] 19:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
			Stop reverting the information in the article about the ], we must report information to the respect of that time and age and not some modern re-interpretation. Please stop inserting false information.
	Holy = Pax
			] (]) 19:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
	== Gift ==
			== Bribery?! ==
	Nerazumin sto si ti meni narparvio na user page. Vec je tako bilo prije.
	Nemam poja ocemu pricas.
	Moguce je da si to napravio prije ali ja sam mislio da mi je to napravio neki iz Zagreba Nikola.] 22:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
			I belive that the structures of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, namely its Ministry of Faiths bribed the ] to give up its jurisdiction over the Orthodox Faith in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
	== Re: ==
			See http://www.istocnik.com/articles/38/dijaspora.html
	Pa koliko ja znam Srbi, Hrvati i Slovenci su bili priznati kao narodi pre komunizma, dok su za vreme komunizma priznata još tri - Makedonci, Crnogorci i Muslimani. Ja se dobro sećam da sam u osnovnoj školi učio da Jugoslavija ima 6 naroda (kojima je Jugoslavija matična država), dok su narodnosti (koje su imale matičnu državu izvan Jugoslavije) bili Albanci, Mađari, Slovaci, itd, itd. Dakle, u bivšoj SFRJ su se koristila upravo ta dva pojma - narodi i narodnosti, i potpuno je jasno šta je koji označavao, pa prema tome nema svrhe da sad "izmišljamo" pojmove "nacija" i "etnička grupa" koji se tada nisu koristili. ] ] 01:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
	== Znas nesto od ovome? ==
	Nikola Tesla...
	He refused to receive the Nobel prize which he had to share with T.A. Edison. In 1942 the American Supreme Court decided that Tesla invented the Radio, not Marconi.
	Vidim da i jos danas kazu da je Marconi izumio radio, jadan je "nas" narod kad i ono sto su izumili nije njima dano. Dalo se Taljanu i jos dan danas Taljani slavu tog Marconija. Kakva je to pravda, kako niste to javili na site Tesla i Marconi.
	This is important a ne odakle je on... origin itd.
			Stop reverting the information in the article about the ], we must report information to the respect of that time and age and not some modern re-interpretation. Please stop inserting false information.
	PS Ajede reci kako ti znas pricat i pisat Makedonski???...reci razumis malo, malo ...jedva i ja njih razumin mozda 20-40%. Ajde sto sviras da znas taj jezik hahaha a Slovenski jos gore...da si rekao Polish 1 ali in njih je tesko razumit 30%
			It is most clear what has been done. Masking the word Orthodox with the wikilink to Serbian Orthodox Church.
	Jedan Zidov is Gruzije se meni javio na Wiki pa to me iznenadilo..razumi i pise perfektno Srbo-Croat...covjek je legenda..a ja sam uvijek mislio da nas jezik je mali jezik i nije nesto special.
	God Speed
	Ti jesi HRE zar ne
	] 03:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
	javi se na moj talk..
			] (]) 19:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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			== Podgorica ==
	"All hail Romania!
	(if you're still there!!!) --HolyRomanEmperor 13:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)"
			I'm translating article about Podgorica, but the English article has poorly written part about history (mostly copied from the city's website) and administrative division. Are you familiar with this topic? Also, I need a source for article Crna Gora is Slavic term for dark, impassable forests? --] 14:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
	Imaš nekih saznanja gdje se čovjek nalazi? Čovjek ko da je u zemlju propo... ] 19:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
			Is Jovan Erdeljanović source for ''Значење имена лежи у словенском топониму за велике и густе горе или мрке шумовите предјеле.''? Please, check when Ottomans seized Podgorica, in 1474 or in 1478 (when ] fall). And I don't understand: ''The municipality of Podgorica consists of Podgorica City Proper and two subdivisions called Urban municipalities (Градске општине, Gradske opštine), Golubovci and Tuzi.'' What is City Proper in Serbian? If this means ''Uže gradsko jezgro'', then there is no suburban places beyond City Proper and two urban municipalities? This is so confusing for me. --] 10:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
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			Hi Pax Equilibrium, its now a little more than two years since you welcomed me to this site, and I just realised that I forgot to send you a copy of this (though you are mentioned in it)
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	Pa ne sumnjam da ćeš u različitoj literaturi pronaći pojmove "etničke grupe" i "nacije", ali u SFRJ su se zvanično koristili pojmovi "narodi" i "narodnosti". To su bile službene definicije statusa neke grupe. ] ] 01:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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	Pah, that reply was the worst kind of waffle. And it was slightly incivil. But if you're awarding me the barnstar for deleting 12,000 useless pages, then that's OK ;) – ] 12:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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	== On Kubura discussion ==		== Invite to work on the SFK09 ==
	What's this Paxy on Kubbies discussion?????
	You say Croatia wanted to rule Serbia WHAT A JOKE..kad je to bilo??? kad smo bili zajedno u Persia mozda a ne u modern history...
	Yugoslavia ended because Serbia wanted to rule all of Yugoslavia. Slovenia and Croats had no say so they wanted out.
	Nobody would stand for Greater Serbia under the banner Yugoslavia in the 90s and that Milosevic rule.
	Serbia didn't have to attack Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia...Serbs just needed to give equal rights to all the people of Yugoslavia.
	Serbia is to blame..i don't see how anybody else is.
	Why was Macedonia able to gain independence without problems? Croatia and Bosnia was more of a loss to Serbs that's why they attacked.
	Croatia has NEVER wanted to rule Serbia bet that mate...but has Serbia wanted to rule Croatia??? ...YES..and you know it
			Hello
	Wake up..sram te bilo.
			We are working on creating a workgroup for wikimedia kosovo
	Pa zna i svaka budala zasto je bio rat.
			http://sfk2009.ning.com/group/wikimediakosova
	Kako su Rusi pustili Ukraine i nisu se tukli???.
			and have an event on august 29/30 in Prishtina.
	Kako su Grci pustili Makedoniju i nisu se tukli???
			We would like to invite you to come.
			http://www.kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/index.php/sfk09/call-for-papers.html
			Thanks,
	] 03:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
			mike
	PS Zasto nisi uzeo ime "Holy Roman Emperor 2006"
			] (]) 11:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
	svak te zna kao HRE..steta di si prominio ime.
	Ali nije vazno Paxy moj mili.
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	Slusas onog Srpskog pjevaca Keba? Pravi si Keba hahaha
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	I hope that your comment was sarcasm. Look at the messages above (on my discussion page) where you wrote: "Thank you for inviting me". I asked you to join. (The only thing that is missing is the coat of arms in your invitation). Thanks, ] 21:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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			Hey friend. Looking through the discussion page on Skanderbeg, I can see that you tried to put the possibility that his mother was Serbian on the page but for no apparent reason was denied. I am trying to do the same and even after providing 4 published sources, I continue to be denied. I was wondering if you had any additional sources I could use to prove my case? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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	E izvini, ali trenutno stvarno nemam vremena da sređujem taj članak. Imam već dosta stvari koje sam planirao da uradim, a ne mogu da uradim ni njih, jer umesto toga radim ono što nisam planirao, već što mi drugi ubace na watch listu. :) Pokušaj sam da središ taj članak, jer ja stvarno sada nemam vremena. ] ] 01:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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	OK! I am sorry! It said that Montenegro is part of Yugoslavia, that's why I got confused!--] 18:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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	Yes, I see that there should be new constitutions now. I can assure you that Kosovo is preparing its constitution that will define it as an independent republic, and this will be ready by March 2007. By the way, the constitutions of Serbia and Montenegro indeed seem to have some huge mistakes.--] 19:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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	I believe that Kosovo will be independent and there is no need to mention it in the new Serbian constitution. Then, you will have to write a new constitution without Kosovo.--] 20:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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	You're right about 1990 const., but I'll never forget that under this constitution, Serbia drove out of their home one million people that were supposed to be her citizens with equal rights. This is why Albanians are seeking independence for Kosovo, because they do not trust any Serbian law… By the way, laws in Serbia are fair de jure, but not de facto… I don’t understand how this can happen! Or, those guys ruling Serbia are always doing the contrary of what law says.--] 21:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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	you asked me if I am from both Canada and Croatia. I could not find a tag that says Canadian Citizen, but yes born in Croatia and now a citizen of Canada, currently residing in Vietnam. Do yo mind if I ask how did you manage to find my user name and why you decided to write to me? Is it in any official capacity? Did I inadvertantly do something wrong? Anyway while I am askig questions, tell me how would you refer to medieval currency used in Dubrovnik? And how would you wite about it if expresing a sum of money? Obviously the wiki manual of style US$ for example might be a bit unusual for non existant currencies? What do yo think? ] 04:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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	Hi! I know it. But ask "grandmaster" PANNONIAN about the question.
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	Hey listen my friend! I don't want to imagine nothing. What are you talking about? I am not intrested in questions like the Montenegrin language is different than Serbian. I think not even Croatian is different. A Serb in Kosovo. Those Serbs will come here and they will cause nothing just problems. Just imagine those who you had been talikng about previously are in a better situation than the minorities in China or people in North Korea. It is not a silly thing? Serbs have already attacked me in the street because they had heard me speaking Hungarian. If I were not lucky, they may kill me. So please don't talk about the harmony. The only reason of this "harmony" that in Kosovo Albanians and Serbians attack each other, in Croatia Serbians and Croatians do the same. The only reason of this "peace" is that Hungarians don't attack Serbians. We are the majority in Senta but we do not attack the Serb minority. The minority is aggressive with us. So ask this pro-Tito, pro-partisan PANNONIAN about his statements. He is intrested in problems in Montenegro because I am realy not. I want to settle down in Hungary. I want to escape from this fake-international-multiethnical and ideal "harmony". I don't want to be a soldier who fights for Kosovo. I hate Serbia, I hate Vojvodina, I hate Senta. I prefer Vajdaság and Zenta. But what I realy love is Hungary and EU. So please don't tell me about these silly barbarian South Slavic conflicts. I think that the Croatians, Montenegrins and Serbs are the same. Most of them loves that they can hate each other. That is a shame, because they are brothers. And the last thing: Kosovo is an Albanian territory not Serbian. Sorry for the phrase but I realy shit on it. Enough answer? It was just a joke to write that Montenegrin as a different language. Good night my friend. If you have any more questions about my statements, please ask.
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	::Serbia is not my country. I don't hate Zenta just the name Senta. 27% have voted fo the SRS and 12% have voted for DSS. The first is an extremist the second is a moderate natinoalist party. So 39% of voters have nationalistic zeals. This is nearly the half of Serbian voters. And the opposing 61% including not only Serbs. So I have a good reason to fear. I am a Hungarian in my language gyűlölni means to hate, utálni means to dislike. I just dislike Serbia.] 17:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
	Witch questions are that I did not answered? My country is Vojvodina, not Serbia. Vojvodina is the part of the Republic of Serbia but iu is not Serbia. Anyway I do not recognise Serbia as my homeland. I live here because I must.] 18:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::LOL, mister Hun, I do not believe that it is what they teach you in that Grammar School. For your information, Vojvodina was known under name Serbia (Rascia) from the 15th century onward (check this map from 1590 where Vojvodina is mentioned exactly under this name: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Rascia_Banat01.jpg and there are more similar maps of course). Also, do not forget that between 1849 and 1860 Vojvodina was known as "Voivodship of Serbia". It is well known who and why invented the "story" that Vojvodina was not Serbia in the past, but that "story" is nothing else instead of wishful thinking. ] ] 02:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
	:*1. Vojvodina is the Autonomous Province of Serbia. But it is not Serbia itself. In Vojvodina what people usualy call Serbia is Central-Serbia.
	:::See above. :) ] ] 02:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
	*2. The 88% of Kosovo's population is Albanian. The Serbian government hasn't got power in Kosovo. Kosovo is going to become a totaly independent state and I think it will be merged into Albania.
	*3. I don't like the Serbian society itself. I don't like the lifestyle in Serbia(also in Vojvodina). This society has negative effects on all people. I feel the influences on myself but my personality is fighting agains this influence.
	*4. The leader of the DSS, the Serbian PM itself declare himself as a moderate nationalist. DSS is not a realy negative party but it divides the democratic parties. Their greatest political rival is not the SRS but the DS.
	*I forgot the SPS's 8%. 27+8 is 35. Anyway extreme nationalism is very popular in Serbia. If we add the DSS's 12% the total nationalist(including the moderates) voters are around 47%. That's a big problem.
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	Hi! Sorry but I can't discuss with you. Because PANNONIAN is one of the people who I had written about in your oppinion role. And he always boykots my edits on Misplaced Pages. He is always says that Vojvodina is just the land of Serbs. Vojvidina is the country of people who lives there and not belongs to one nation. Thx! P.S.:And Belgrade was a Hungarian territory in the past. But does it counts now?] 17:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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	::::No mister Hun, I never said that Vojvodina belong only to Serbs. It belong to all its citizens as it is written in its statute. I simply do not want to tolerate people who all the time want to push their POV that only Serbs are evil and that Serbs are always guilty. And by the way, mister Hun, can you talk about people about anything else instead about me? ] ] 03:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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	:::::And two more things: 1. Vojvodina is not a country, and 2. Budapest was a Ottoman territory in the past. Does it counts now, mister Hun? :))) ] ] 03:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Because, I suspect, most of them are started up by napaljeni klinci with no appetite to do any actual work. They are joined by a multitude of people who seem to join and never look at the project page again, so what's the point? I only stayed on Wikiproject Serbia, because that one has a prospective future, especially if it becomes pan-Serb (Srbija, RS, CG) project. --] 21:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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	:Dakle samo za primer, u opštini Istok je po popisu iz 1991 bilo samo 12.70% Srba i Crnogoraca, dok ona mapa koja navodno prikazuje stanje iz 1999 pokazuje da su Srbi bili većina u toj opštini, da ne pominjemo i da pokazuje da su Srbi bili većina u Prizrenu, što je smešno. ] ] 15:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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	::Mapa u članku Serbs of Croatia je tačna, ali ova koja pokazuje Kosovo nije. Evo ti tačna etnička mapa Kosova koja pokazuje etničku većinu po naseljima: http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Serbia12.jpg Inače, ne znam poreklo i pravni status te mape, pa je ne možemo koristiti na Vikipediji, ubacio sam je samo da je vidiš. ] ] 01:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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	Hello. Well, I considered Kosovo to a past conflict because the Kosovo war ended in 1999 after the NATO airstrikes forced the Kumanovo agreement and the end of military belligerence. However, I don't consider it to be ''past'' conflict. It is conceivable that war could start again but the situation in Kosovo has dramatically changed for the betterment of the vast majority of Kosovars in the past 7 years.
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	Anyway, as towards your question, I think independence is the only real option, if only from a practical sense. There are 2 million Kosovar Albanians and they will not accept anything less than independence, compared to a couple thousand Kosovar Serbs that sadly will probably leave Kosovo by en large if they haven't already. I think the option that will cause the most conflict is if Kosovo gets greater autonomy with the possibility future independence. Anti-UN feelings will increase significantly, as they have over the past few years after they were welcomed as liberators in 1999. Widescale rioting could occur and the situation will most likely become violent (against both Serbs, Roma and United Nations personnel). If Kosovo does indeed get full independence (as its smaller cousin to the west did recently), their should be financial concessions made to Serbia in the form of help with the "ethnically" Serbian IDP's. The agreement will probably also stipulate the Kosovo can never join any form of Pan-Albanian union aka Pan-Albania. If all this happens, it will probably encourage separatists in Republika Srpska to try and join Serbia, so this will have to addressed in any agreeement in order to consolidate BiH. What are your thoughts on the past conflict / current discussions?--] 16:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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	I pošto je to bio frket prostim izvrćanjem se dobije klot tj. karakteristike Srpstva.
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	Ako smatraš da bi trebali dopuniti još s nečim slobodno dopuni, nije ''pet'' sveta krava samo me je asocirao na f.p. of W. ] 22:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I'm doing fine, thanks for asking. Yes I live in Croatia now and studying Croatian. How are you doing? Everything okey?
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	I read the postings in your poll it is very interesting, you probably know me by now and that I cant restrain myself to get involved in this kind of stuff. Thanks for the invite, I will take part of this the next time I find time for wikipedia, sadly not today.
	Haha I dident get insultet. Croatia is great, although I think Sweden is the best. But I cant compare Sweden and the Balkans, since I love both.
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	== Tribe/clan terminology ==
	Hi, I see some substantial editing in the article 'Serb clans'/'Serb clans of Montenegro. And because most of them were done by you, I write my comment here. Since I see that there are some problems editing this article I would suggest the following:
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	1.1. there needs to be drawn an agreement on the terminology. I was suggesting using native terms (my arguments are explained in the discussion page next to the article). I would not call it 'serbianization' since such a practice exists in English language where it is better using native terms to avoid misunderstanding (for instance - Yakuza, instead of Japanese mafia and mafia itself).
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	1.2. I can understand the wish of using terms 'tribe' and 'clan' and 'brotherhood' (again see my objections to all those in the discussion page). But in case these English terms are used, their usage should be somehow in consistance with the traditional English usage of these terms (please see the relevant Misplaced Pages articles for that). In short, tribe is an assumed collection of somehow related people outside state system. Tribe refers more to political organisation than to kinship. Clan is a group of people who believe to be descendants of a common ancestor (sometimes mythical and not always human) usually the whole line of the ancestors cannot be reproduced. A lineage is a group of people who believe to be descendants of a specific person in history and usually can trace the whole line down from that particular person. Both, clan and lineage refer more to kinship than to politics. Now, you will notice that in this context 'pleme' corresponds better to 'tribe' and 'bratstvo' - to either 'clan' or 'lineage'. Certainly 'clan' cannot be used to translate 'pleme' since members of one 'pleme' can be descendents of totally unrelated persons who arrived and settled down in a territory of a pleme on different times and from different areas. 'Brotherhood' on the contrary is usually a religious or otherwise in English means a fictive kinship and therefore does not fit in Montenegrin case.
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	Why do you keep deleting Boris' userpage? This is only done for users that have been blocked indefinately and will never edit Misplaced Pages again. Boris has the right to come back in a year, and no matter how long that seems to you, it still doesn't give you the right to remove material from HIS page. An infobox about the block is now added on top, and the page should be left untouched, just like any user that hasn't been blocked indefinately. --] 05:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	:You just don't get it, do you... How dare you remove Boris' name from the WikiProject Serbia list of Participants? He CREATED the project, and you just remove his name! You know, he was one of the only ones that wanted to help during your problem with the hoax, and I know that he felt really bad about what happened, but now you're behaiving like such a traitor and pain in the ass. Now go report me for a personal attack, but I don't care... --] 03:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Hey Pax. If you're inviting me to chime in on your poll, I'd love to, but it'll take me a few days to collect my thoughts - kind of busy at the moment. As for where I live, I'm currently in Pristina, and I've been here since late June, but I'm Irish by birth. Kosovo is the first Balkan country (province, whatever,) I've spent any real time in, but I hope to get a chance to see some of Serbia next year. Maybe after the snow melts, I'm told Belgrade is really nice in summer. ] 16:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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	There's a lot of us here, weirdly. One of the major guys in the electricity business here is Irish. (No relation to me. Which is good since judging by the power cuts he isn't doing a really good job. ;) ] 09:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I don't like to edit articles as it might start an edit war.
	I don't want to get involved in that.
	I much prefer to discuss on discussion page to see and learn more about what people really think.
	From what i see here on Wiki ...some views/theories are so much more different to what you read in books.
	Very interesting. I have learnt a fair bit just by talking to people in particular User: Panonian. In my view books are POV of the author and where he/she is from, not always truth. I could write a book on anything and any view, doesn't make it truth, hence when someone lists sources as back up to comments here on Wiki I sometimes laugh.
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	The constitution of the ] is basically the same from 1991, but with slight modifications. Take a look at or . Feel free to ask further. Cheers, ] 00:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I'm sorry, but I couldn't find a version of 1974. ] is an article in mk.wiki about constitutions of R. Macedonia. ] 11:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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	By impressed what do you mean? I prefer the Latin script but I am neither attacking nor against the Cyrillic script. Bosnia did use the extinct script of Bosancica. I did not understand your "P.S." comment. ] 03:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I don't understand what you mean by cited terminology. I don't see any substantial sources cited in the article aprat from what I have mentioned and PRECISELY because they are inconsistent in translation AND some authors do not translate (for instance M.A.Durham) these terms, I suggested to use the native terms (in consistence with Durham). Translation of pleme as clan is:
	a) only one of versions (minority by that) in English language literature
	b) a clear mistake on the part of these sources (which often tend to be written by non-English speaking authors as I understand and which tend to use clan and tribe interchangeably)
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	Secondly, people today live in many different parts of the world. Many clansmen for instance live in Australia or the US. This could be a matter for another as yet not performed historic research to establish these ties. However this should not be the basis for calling them 'Australian clans' (as they have their own) or something like that. At the same time there is a heated debate in Montenegro as you know on national identity and it cannot be solved in any manner. So some people will continue believing a part of people in Montenegro are Serbs, some - that they are Montenegrins, and some - that they are Slavonised Illirians etc. This article also cannot resolve this controversy and it would be better to stay away from the politics. Therefore I suggested to stick to the present political territory as I believe such a policy can free from unnecessary political struggle.--] 09:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I understand my comments about one year ago, but I am not saying I am against Cyrillic. I'll be honest I do not prefer it, but hey if you use it it's ok with me. What's happening with you today. I have a day off. Greetings, ] 17:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	:To be honest, the reason Bosnians do not like Cyrillic is due to its affiliation to Serbia culture. As you know, the war was between Bosnia, Serbia, and Croatia so now we are all trying to further separate from one another. Bosnia is trying to change its culture as are Serbia and Croatia. Within the culture is language and everyone is attempting to change it as much as possible, in order to be different from the other. Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia have issues that are not resolved. The easiest thing that should have occurred was the implementation of the "Yugoslav" people. Everyone should have been forced to be called Yugoslavian. If uprisings had been to come up, then it would have been subdued by the government and soon by our generation. Everyone would have called themselves Yugoslavian. There would have been a less likely chance for war. Thanks and greetings, ] 18:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	Ovo si dobro napisao PAMETNO] 02:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
			Regards,
	==Radovane, delijo==
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	All Karadzici come from "Serbian" tribe Drobnjak. Just ask.] 13:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Can you reference this section? It's not that I don't believe to the figures, it's just that it would be nice to have references. Thanks. --] 16:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Hey, I was wondering why did you want to be adopted. My only guess is that you did it '''just for the heck of it'''. Am I right? Pozdrav, ] 22:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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	If u ask me, they're ok, but at this moment I'm not (at least yet;) qualified to make that statement. I agree with u on most historical issues if that's of any significance. Cheers ]
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	Ok,ne slazem se sa tobom ,vezano za Kotromanice .istoriska je cinjenica da su Kotromanici bili pravoslavci koji su priznavali papu kao vrhovnu vlast,a ne SPC.Kasnije su naslednici prihvatili islam,kralj Tvrtko I je poslao Kosacu u Kosovsku bitku,koji je komandovao trecinom srpske vojske,sto je veoma znacajno.Znam da su Srbija i Srbi trn u oku mnogima,pa ako ima neki problem obrati se srpskim administratorima.Promeni ako mislis da bi trebalo to vezano za Tvrtka....
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	U pravu si,proverio sam i izvinjavam se!tacno je da su u pocetku bili pravoslavci,a sta su onda bili ako nisu Srbi,pa cak i kad su promenili veru.po toj logici pravolavci danas u Bosni nisu Srbi,katolici nisu Hrvati,...Pozdrav!
	Pa naravno da Bugara nema u Bosni,to sva deca u evropskim osnovnim skolama znaju.BTW Bugari uopste nisu slovenskog porekla ,nego turskog.Samo su uzeli tradiciju,kulturu Slovena.Proveri!Pa dobra,sta su onda pravoslavci i katolici u Bosni?Izgleda da su svi bili Srbi pravoslavni,pa da su vremenom prelazili u katolicizam i u islam.Sta su Dalmatinci poreklom,razlikuju se od kontinentalnih Hrvata po svemu.Prezimena su im drugacija(gle cuda ista kao i u Srbiji,CG i Istocnoj Hercegovini,cak i fizicki drugacije izgledaju od severnjaka.Vatikan je poceo da sprovodi ideju ,da su pravoslavni samo Srbi,katolici samo Hrvati.Zasto?Zato sto su tada u Austro-Ugarskoj i Turskoj,po popisu ziveli Srbi-katolici,ali ne i Hrvati-pravoslavci.Naravno do pocetka proslog veka Muslimani su se izjasnjava ili kao Turci ili kao Srbi muslimanske veroispovesti.
	To bi moglo da se uzme za pretpostavku,zaista, dosli su iz Bugarske.Tamanili su ih svi od Nemanjica do Ugara.Kog su porekla uopste bili Bogumili?Cini mi se da su vrsena nega genetska ispitivanja Srba,Hrvata i Bosnjaka i da je nedvosmisleno utvrdjeno da je genetska struktura gotova identicna.Naravno to su pocetna ispitivanja, a napredak tehnologije ce nam sigurno dati tacne odgovore i resiti nedumice ,pa i istorijske zagonetke.Vreme pred nama ce nam sigurno dati odgovore.Pozdrav prijatelju!
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	Interesting bit of information. But I question whether it constitutes Greater Croatia - it looks more like an attempt at Greater Montenegro with land claims on Croatia, BiH, Serbia and Albania, with close regional ties to Croatia that would play the role of a benefactor and counterweight against Greater Serbia. Think along the lines of British and Russian support for Serbia. Also the closer ties it proposes is similar to the stabilisation pact of EU/NATO for the region (minus Serbia).
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	Also, do you have any credible sources for the claim that Tudjman wanted a Croatian Orthodox Church in Montenegro? - this sounds far fetched too me (certainly if there was to be one it would be in Croatia?). Sounds more like an attempt by disgruintled nationalist Serb elements in Montenegro to undermine the legitimacy of Montenegran independence by painting a conspircay theory of Croatian involvement - almost as good as the Vatican and fourth reich conspiracy theories. iruka 02:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
	(it's Marinko - changed alias from Croquoll to Iruka (dolphin in Japanese)
	:Hi Pax (HRE), how are you? I am still around, all though dont edit much anymore. In reference to the above Crvena Hrvatska pamphlet you have been posting around, i am quite familiar with it. It isnt a pamphlet from Brkovic as far as i know, rather a scare campaign by the pro-serb parties to scare off voters from voting for an independant Montenegro. The idea was to say if you believe in a Nezavisna Crna Gora, then it could be swallowed up by our evil northern neighbours - the Croats. Its all politics as far as i know. Anyway, whats new with you? ] 04:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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	:: Hahaha, it is a pity, and a laugh :) Anyway, your right, i have seen that map used. What i meant is that pamphlet was put together for political purposes. ] 22:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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			== Pozdrav ==
	::: The above comment by user Uvouvo does make sense. In any case, if Montenegro wants to go it alone, it needs support from the EU and neighbours like Croatia to act as a counterweight against the influence of Serbia. Judging by comments made by Dodik in BiH and Tomislav Nikolic, the dream of a Greater Serbia still exists as a distraction to the social and economic reforms Serbia must undergo, so the fear of Serbia would be legitimate on the part of the Montenegrans.
			Pozdrav Pax Equilibrium, samo ukratko da vas obavjestim da je u toku formiranje 'Prve Proleterske Intelektualne Udarne Brigade', koja ima za cilj okupljanje svih jugoslavenski orijentiranih pojedinaca - intelektualaca sa ciljem ponovnog povezivanja Jugoslavenskih naroda i moguce uspostave nove jugoslavenske integracije. Za sve ostale informacije, molio bih vas da se obratite na email: yugoslavpro@gmail.com
	:::As for Greater Croatia including parts of Serbia, this certainly is fantasy only entertained by a very small minority. It appears that Tudjman had no pretension and any form of Greater Croatia (before BiH declared independence) would have only restored the boundaries of the Banovina Hrvatska or just included Western Herzegovina. After that, Croat influence in BiH was merely for geo-political reasons, and once BiH had stabilised and was no longer see as a source of potential instability, the Racan government stopped the previous HDZ govt's policy of funding the Herceg-Bosnia entity. iruka 01:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
			gdje ce vas uputiti za sve detalje ove grupe. Pozdrav; <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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	Anything I can do to help make this happen, I'll do. Please stay in touch! --]|<sup>]</sup>|<sub>]</sub> 22:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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	kao djete su uvjek govorili da sam sladak kao Jagoda..pa tako su me zvali Jagoda i jos me zovu to familja i prijatelji. Jagoda je moj nadimak ] 02:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC
	PS Ajde javi se na Makedonski malo haha ] 02:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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	COUNTRIES RUSH TO INCLUDE KOSOVO IN THEIR CONSTITUTIONS, AFTER SERBIA 'S MOVE
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	A Croatian government official said "We fought in that battle together with the Serbs, we lost in that battle together with the Serbs and we should remember that battle together with the Serbs." A Hungarian representative echoed him, saying, "Hungarian soldiers fought and lost side by side with Serbian soldiers." A Bosnian government spokesperson said, "If King Tvrtko would be alive today, he would be very proud of us." Albanian representatives stressed, "Teodor II Muzaka didn't give his life in vain in Kosovo, we Albanians realize, just as our Balkan neighbours, that it was an important loss." Commenting on these moves, a Serbian official said, "Both Prince Lazar's body and his head would be turning in his grave, if he knew that his Balkan war buddies' sacrifices were not being respected. By including Kosovo in their constitutions they show that this lost medieval battle is as important to them as it is to us." When asked whether "the fact that the Serbs were on the winning side (the Turks), too, complicates the situation?" the official answered, "It doesn't matter if Vuk Brankovic fought with the winners, what matters is that a Serbian prince (Lazar) led the losers!"
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	The government of Kosovo plans to include Kosovo in the new constitution, too. When asked by SEE Online whether that was necessary, a spokesperson replied, "Duh! We lost in that battle, too! We not only lost, but we hosted the battle. We are so proud we hosted that bloodbath, that we will mention it in our constitution more than one time." He reminded us that another battle had been lost in Kosovo by Janosh Hunyadi (in 1448), and that this doubles the responsibility of Hungary to include Kosovo in its constitution. Albania’s responsibility would have been double, too, if the Serb forces didn't interrupt Gjergj Kastrioti - Skenderbeg, in his way to assist Hunyadi in losing the battle to the Turks.
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	A Turkish government official said, "We can't express the regret we feel that we won those battles. This makes it impossible for us to include Kosovo in our constitution. In fact, this is making us reconsider the motives behind the Serbs' decisions to help us win those two battles." He added, however, that Turkey plans to include other battlefields in its constitution. "The Albanians kicked our butts in no less than 27 medieval battles! We just have to include those battlefields in our constitution, and Kruja will be first in the list." He said, they also plan to include Austria in the preamble, because, "one of our most glorious losses was at Vienna."
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	In the meantime, a local entrepreneur in Prishtina, Kosovo, has begun selling ready made constitutions which include Kosovo in them, where all you have to do is fill in the name of your country. "With the surge in demand for new constitutions with Kosovo in them, I figured I have to work on the supply side." The Kosovar government, on the other hand, has enabled a feature in its website through which you can automatically "Add Kosovo to your constitution" with just a click of the mouse for only 25$.
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	SEE Online asked some Kosovar citizens about this. A library worker expressed complete shock that somebody was asking her opinion about the matter. She says "I can't think of any good reason why should anyone ask us Kosovars whether they should include Kosovo in their constitution or no! Seriously. Can you think of one?!" A shopkeeper shows similar surprise: "When has anyone asked us whether we want Kosovo in their constitutions?! Anyway, how is that going to affect my daily business here in Kosovo?"
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	This is where I got it from . It sounded funny to me so I just wanted to share it.--] 15:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I realised while editing Herzegovina that we don't have an article on ]. Perhaps you'd be the person to knock something up? :-) --] 11:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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	First of all, this is the 1st time I'm replying to someone, and I'm not sure if the reply should be written here or in my talk page, so I apologize in advance if I made a mistake :)
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	I believe we actually have three '''SAME-TYPE''' templates ;)
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	I wasn't aware of the existence of your template, and this is the first template that I came across: {{User:Brendel/Userboxes/User Slavic}}
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	I didn't like it much, so I decided to freshen it up by adding a picture of Slavic countries in the ID box. I wasn't aware that users were obliged to use template userboxes, as opposed to creating their own, but if that is the case, I'll change/delete mine to be in compliance with the rules.
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	However, I must admit that I still prefer my solution to yours - while Pan-Slavic flag was approved as the official flag of all Slavic nations more than one century ago, I have a feeling that it's slightly outdated and obsolete, and that its colours fail to represent and include those Slavic countries whose flags sport other colours (Ukraine, Bulgaria, Poland, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro, etc.).
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	For that reason, I believe that the map of Slavic-language-speaking countries is a better way to represent Slavdom, since it includes all the countries where a Slavic language is spoken.
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	:By saying that the map was obsolete, I was merely expressing my opinion. Of course it is still in use, and it is officially as legit as the map, it's just that I like the map better. Matter of personal tastes :)
	:As for your comment about the map, I'm not sure I got it right. What do you mean by "is it logical?" And which countries should the map represent if not those in which Slavs hold relative or absolute majority?
	:Thinking now... you might be referring to those countries in which Slavic immigrants are numerous, yet fail to represent majority (e.g. USA, Australia, Canada, etc.)... Well, they might feel left out, true, but I'd like to remind you (them?) that the stress here is on '''''ancestry''''' and the map shows those countries which their ancestors most probably came from. Heck, I'm one of those minority Slavs, and I don't feel left out ;)
	:Finally, the remark about Russia's Siberia and Far East is apparently totally irrelevant, as it is obvious that the map is cut off for the purpose of space economy, and that by including Russia's European part, it implicitly includes the whole territorry of Russia.
	:Anyway, the bottom line is that we seem to be bickering about matters of personal taste, which is futile ''per se'' - k'o što ono kažu, svijetu je teško ugoditi. A i dosta je bilo svađe među Slovenima (posebno balkanskim) zbog kojekakvih gluposti i bez ove naše prepirke :)
	:If your userbox hasn't already been set as default/template Slavic Ancestry userbox, maybe we could make a poll or something, to see which one other users prefer. If it has been set as a template, then it's fine by me - I'll change my page to make it rules-compliant, after all, you're here longer than I am, and I'm sure you know the ropes better than I do :)
	:Just let me know what to do.
	:Sve najbolje!
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	::p.s. seems I entered an extra character when replying, and it messed up my subtitle formatting. It's fixed now, sorry about that :)
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	''Kako ide''? Hope it's all good! Thanks for visiting my page. Doviđenja! <big>''']'''</font></big> <sup>''']'''</font></sup> 00:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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	You support the independence of Montenegro - but it's not jeoperdized. It's nice that you feel enthusiastic about a country's sovereignity - but what's the purpose if there's no reason?
	Also, how's in Saudi Arabia? --PaxEquilibrium 20:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
	Sorry for the late answer. I think I just forgot to edit my userpage in a long time, that's why its still there. Thanks for telling me. I'll see if I should keep it there or not.
	As for Saudi Arabia, life is well uh... different you might say. Army surrounds lots of things and quite boring for me living here.
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	We need information on the exact day the Yugoslav war ended with Nato, was it June 11 or 10th? How is life ther? I spent some time in Croatia as a student, I understand your language, not much difference, i think yuga was one great country.
	:10 June 1999. Life's horrible. Just horrible. No comment... and I'm from Yuga, but not Serbia. :) --] 11:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	<p> I there, i had to take some classes in zagred some time ago, but that was after war, why did macedonia ever separate, i mean, exceltp slovenia, (partially) all other 5 republics stink and are going nowhere... So, you are sure june 10th was the end, i recall official signing was june 11th? Final bomb was on that day? So what's wrong in yuga, you guys can not go travel much? what part of yuga u from?
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	: kada izigravas ples s persiranjem, izgleda ]. --] 00:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	:: "altogether with other weird edits of yours (like on Jakov's user page, which altogether you in anger, totally against WP:Civil, justify like someone just threw a nuke at you ) have been ''completely unconstructive'' to this Project. " What are you talking about? If you mean the "it looks strange" bit -- of course it looks strange. He writes "Croatia is first" and then goes and tells me that he barely has time for EN. It doesn't take any time to register. You know that. --] 00:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
	::: You deliberately misrepresent what I say. I don't know what to do. First of all, no Croat voted for you. Second of all, the Serbs who are most prominent on Sr::Wiki voted against you. Now, as regards your complaints against me, I will repeat myself. It is striking that you are the ONLY ONE THAT notices. Is it, mayhap, because you are the only one I brush shoulders with? I'm not talking about my rightness or wrongness, now -- only about your reaction to it. --] 00:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	For your information, the "Macedonians" started to consider themselves as "Macedonians" after decades of serbian terror. This is all a serbian lie to tear off these lands from Bulgaria. If you admit that in the past this population used to be Bulgarian, in what reasons you claim that nowadays it all of a sudden became Macedonian??? Now the government in Skopie is trying to prove that Samuil, Gotse Deltchev, Nikola Vaptsarov and so on and so on are Macedonians, which is simply ABSURD. If there was a Macedonian ethnos i think it would have had heros, not invent them from our history.
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	It would be far better for the population of the Reopublic of Macedonia to finally join Bulgaria. From economic point of view, it is better for you, not for us; from politikal point of view, the percentage of the Albanians which now constitutes about 40% of the population there will greatly decrease and you will not have problems with them.
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	I heard for the stupid and insulting campaign of a Dutch deputy for recognition of Macedonian minority here, perhaps your statement has something to do with it... --] 07:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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	::Hmmm. There were Slavs all over the Balkan Peninsular before the arrival of the Bulgars. The founder of Old Great Bulgaria, khan Kubrat had five sons, who after his death moved in different directions. One part of the Bulgars lead by Asparukh settled down in what is now northern Bulgaria and southern Romania; one part of them under Kuber settled in what is now Macedonia, but they were not so strong, and bacame vasslas of the Byzantines, but when khan Krum captured Sofia and the lands between the two states they naturally united.
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	::Our nation was established as a union between Bulgars and Slavs, so it is natural that we wanted to liberate all the Slavs from the Byzantines; and the Slavs themselves wanted to join Bulgaria which was in their eyes the mother country. Some of the Slavs (the serbs) refused to do so (I guess they were bribed by the Byzantines, but no one can be sure about these reasons), while the Slavs to the east of Belgrade (including the lands of modern Macedonia) accepted Bulgaria as a state of their own; their never tried to establish states of their own because they were integral part of our society. Even under the Turkisk rule, when there was not a strong centre or an Emperor in Preslav or Tarnovo, when there were almost no Bulgarian institutions those population remained Bulgarian, they never stated themselves as Macedonians until the serbs started interfering from the 19th century onwards.
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	Well, in the late Middle Ages, the serbs did not claim that these lands (Macedonia) are theirs, they did not claim that the population there was Serb or Macedonian; this began from the 19th century. Macedonia was the heart of thier realm, because there were not so big and developped cities in Rashka or Duklja such as the newly conquerred Skopie (their new capital), Ohrid or Nis.
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	My nationalism (as well as nationalism as a whole) is perhaps backward nowadays because it leads to conflicts. I understand this very well. We cannot take back Macedonia by force, but this does not mean that there is no chance. The local population should be persuaded, it should be allowed to read books about their history without censureship by their government. A society cannot live in a great lie forever. You agree that for instance Samuil was Bulgarian Emperor, but why then the government in Skopie persistently insists on its theory??? Because they are seeking ways to support these lies, otherwise the Macedonians themselves would like to join Bulgaria. This is why I am writting some nationalistic statement, I simply want the people to think on this and discover the truth (if they want to).
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	If the Macedonian population was ready to really have its own seperate country, they should say something like this: Samuil (or whoever Bulgarian heroe they consider Macedonian) was a Bulgarian, yes our lands were once Bulgarian but we now feel that it would be better to be independent. But instead what do they say??? Our Macedonian state was liberated from Bulgarian yoke under our great Emperor Samuil, Gotse Deltsev and Yane Sandanski fought for the liberation of Macedonia; so this shows that they are trying to prove something which is wrong, and this thing is that they are not Macedonians, they remain Bulgarians genetically and they do not want to admit it. --] 15:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	::The Macedonian lands joined Bulgaria in the middle of the 9th century, never heard of Serbs there before that time. It is true that the Macedonian government admits Samuil proclaimed himself as Czar of the Bulgarians; but it claims that this step was only to gain international recognition and he remains Macedonian ruler nonetheless, which is of course nonesense. He was not proclaimed emperor until the death of the last Czar of the former dinasty Roman in 997.
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	It was interesting for me to learn this. But the Serbs left these lands and they were settled by Bulgarian Slavs and the following situation occurs: the same as in the Crusade Campaigns, they were trying to reconquer (in the 14th century) lands which no longer belonged to the serbs for five centuries, which were already Bulgarian. The Serbs held these lands for less the 30 years until thier empire desintegrated and did not have time to repopulate them with Serbs; so under the Ottoman rule the population there remained mostly Bulgarian, as it is now ;)
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	I hope that I will not insult you with this question; but why do you think it would be better for Macedonia not to join Bulgaria? :):);) --] 16:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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	::Well, under joining I mean incorporation of Macedonia into Bulgaria (forming one state called Bulgaria with three historical regions Moesia, Thrace and Macedonia) , and under "better" I mean for the population of Macedonia.
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	::The Macedonian lands remained in a state called Serbia for 30 years; they were conquered by the Turks much later, but then they consisted of numerous independent feudal states of Valkashin, Uglesha or Simeon, while the territories of the Serbian Kingdom remained to the northwest : ) --] 18:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Hmmm. By Constitution Bulgaria is not exactly the state of the Bulgarians but the state of all its citizens no matter of their origin, religion or believes. We even do not have an official religion, we are traditionally Orthodox Christians but nowhere in the Constitution is written that it is the official religion of the country (which I personaly don't like). As far as the national recognition is concerned, I can only guess, because after all I am only 19 and still do not understand the whole politics of our government. But in my opinion the vast majority of the current Macedonian population will be officially recognised as Bulgarian. The problem would be that some people would not wish to call themselves Bulgarians and will think us for occupators, but these I think would be minority and with the time they will understand that there are no Macedonians (at least their children). I fear this will be a difficult process, as it was when Macedonia was conquered by the serbs in 1913. I doubt that it would be an official recognition of the Macedionian ethnics, but people can still consider themselves as Macedonians if they want to because in our country is allowed to consider youself as a Marsian if you wish; but with the time this number will steadily decrease as they read books or watch films on the theme and they will regain their Bulgarian indentity. After all, it is an honour to be Bulgarian ; ) The Albanians and the other peoples of Macedonia will remain, of course, Albanians, Roma or Turks; but there will not be a recognised national minority because both the Albanians and the Turks will constitite less than 10% of the population of the enlarged state.
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	It would be better for the peoples of the both countries to stand together because it would be easier to withstand the national interests, which I think are one and the same for Bulgaria and Macedonia. An important point is that it would not be necessary for Macedonia go through the long and very difficult way to the European Union.
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	No, the serbs will not like this at all :):):) --] 19:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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	:: Perhaps you are right, this is why the unification should not took place suddenly but only on condition that the Macedonian population realise what the situation is (I mean when they finally they find their Bulgarian indentity). This might happen in 20, 50, 100 years or not at all. When we discuss this matter with friends, they often say that time will come when the Albanians will become majority in Macedonia and then the Macedonians themselves will want to join us. They also say that we shall gradually show them through the media who they are. One of them even told me that the most popular tv program in Macedonia is the Bulgarian Planeta TV (which I doubt). --] 20:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Don't say foolish things. I don't know the difference between Croats and Serbs. I know only where you cast your lots, and how your own side reacts to you. You can't help it. I still don't know why. Even in what you just wrote -- "I am Serbia and you're Croatia". --] 00:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	: Pardon -- "I'm the Serb and you're Croatia". Wonderful slip-in. congratulations. --] 00:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	: Oh -- I see how ir goes. You're poor Dubrovnik or Vukovar, and I'm mean old Yugoslavia.
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	So I've been accused of being strange myself. Not once. Sometimes because I'm a foreigner.
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	I know what you mean to do. I understand you. I even believe you're honest about it. But you're going about it the wrong way. Please take it firsthand. I was raised to laughter, and not once. I was raised to laughter -- and I should have been. There are certain norms of behavior with which human beings must comply. These norms aren't absolute, and they vary from place to place, but the thing to remember whenever you break them is that the human being on the other end of the line (or internet connection, perhaps) may read something very different from what you wrote. --] 00:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	I believe you and I can find a common language. Let's promise each other, instead of addressing each other in English, that we will not talk about these Balkan topics. If you have something against what I wrote, ask someone to talk to me -- I'll do the same with you. God knows neither of us are short friends here, and we have a few in common. Deal? --] 00:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Oprosti to o sizofreniji. Meni je hrvatski sasvim u redu -- nije tu stvar u hrvatskom. Stvar je u tome sto si vise puta presao s jednog nacina obracanja na drugi, pa to me zbunilo, kao sto su neke druge stvari koje si radio -- kao naprimjer to besprekidno bacanje teksta koje si izvodio (mada naravno na samom pocetku). Dopustimo da smo mi iz istoka burni ljudi i da ne znamo, kad dodemo na Internet, kako se treba ponasati. Ako ti i ja mozemo utemeljiti primirje medu nama, bit ce obojici dobro, jer ja kao stranac stvarno nemam pojma. (Kao sto sam rekao -- zato drzim se daleko i nikad ne vodim napad) --] 01:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Nemam drugih rjesenja. I nemoj da se stavljas na zrtvu -- to je ono najgore u tebi sto svi mi tko ne slazemo se s tobom volimo najmanje. Ti nisi zrtva, nego vrlo dobro obavjesten sidjeljak -- opet kazem, to izlazi iz komentarija na tvom RfAu, od administratora na wiki:sr, wiki:hr, i wiki:bs. --] 01:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Trebam to kvalificirati. Mi smo svi tko ucestvujemo u ovim svadama, svi smo sidjeljaci -- ali bogme ne znam zasto ti pretendiras na neutralnost kada neutralnosti tu nema. Razlika medu tobom i Dujom ili Joyem jeste -- ili barem bila je do ovog proljeca -- da su oni dosta daleki od tih samih svada. Ali ipak, oni ne stavljaju "sh" predlozke na stranu i ne brane ono sto ne mogu dokazati. Dijxtra, koji stavlja taj "sh", izgleda da vjeruje u to -- dobro njemu. Ja se s tim ne slazem. Ne treba zivjeti u proslosti. Ali ni Dijxtra se ne pravi na jednog neutralnog i nevinog. --] 01:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	Dobro -- kad ne razumijes, ne vazi. Inace nikad necemo doci do primirja. Sto je na kraju krajeva nas cilj, zar ne? Ako, naravno, neces da me zgazis? :D --] 01:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	a ja mislio da si hrvatski srbin? --] 02:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	:Ma kakvi da je on Hrvatski Srbin. On je Hrvatski Crnogorac a živi u Beogradu. On je rođen u Karlovecu, ali je rasta u Crnu Goru. Njegovo majka je iz Cetinja. Malo dođe porijeklo Paštrovića i Grbalja. ] 02:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	:Ovo postaje samo malo iritantnim. Necu vise diskutirati. Ako ne mozes uzet na lice i najmanji udarac, i to onaj za koji sam ja spreman uzeti odgovornost -- necu s tobom nista imati. Nisi ti s neba pao. --] 14:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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	E vala je žalostno što Milo nije više naš Premijer. E, dobro si reka što Milo više neće da bude Premijer Crne Gore.
	Viđim da se još zbavljaš sa istorijom Hrvatske. Oću da budem ka ti, dobar istoričar na Vikipediju.
	Prijatno Pax-e i nemoj da nikad prestaneš s tvojem dobro radnje na Vikipediju.
	PS, Što je Boris Malagurski blokiran od oba Engleski i Srpski Vikipedije. I možeš li da mi malo pomogneš sa Crnogorskom Vikipedijom (ja sam napravio testna vikipedija prije mjesec dana) ] 02:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
	== A bit of help please ==
	Can you please help me with dealing with the ], the one you pointed it out to me on my talk page? He keeps vandalising(simply removes content from) ] and I don't know what to do, who to contact, etc. Thanks in advance. --] 21:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Re: Ragusan??? ==
	I have replied to your message on ]. --] 10:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	== ? ==
	ne razumijem kako covjek koji je prezivio rat moze razgovarati kao sto ti. Nadam se da ovo poredenje te nece opet uvrijediti, ali ti govoris kao Dalai Lama u okolnostima koje ga najvise mrze i ne zele.
	Ako si bio u SFRJ, onda si citao ]. Razdijelenje toga s ovim je moderna greska -- kao i greska jeste mislenje da, ako bi se dvojica strana obmjenile, da ne bi nam Jevrejima ili vam Krscanima pod arapskom hegemonijom bilo osam sto put gore nego sto je njima pod nama. --] 16:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	:Stavit cu za tebe objasnenje moga oca, koje je on meni uvijek stavljao na sto, da bih ga razumio: "nije moguce drzati se od strane u ratu. Moras izabrati stranu. I pazi, ako izaberes pogresnu stranu, tebe nitko nece postovati, jer niko ne voli izdajnika." --] 16:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	:Ne znam. Mozda si u pravu. Ali, kao sto je u slucaju i s Jevrejima -- ovo nije prvi rat. I nece biti posljednji, ukoliko se sve ne preobrati o ne postave s glave na nogu. Tesko je tu pricati o osjecajima uopce, a kad pricas o miru (kao sto sam ja neko vrijeme), pocinju na te ispod obrva gledati. --] 21:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	:: A sto je treba mrzit? Zasto nije moguce samo zanemariti? Ostaviti na stranu? Zasto ne pustiti svakoga da ide svojim putem? Negodovanje i mrznja su razliciti pojmovi. --] 23:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	:: "Ne. Koju god naciju odaberem, neko - gdje god bio, ali uvijek neko - ce me mrziti zbog toga sto odabrah; tako da je poprilicno svejedno. I opet, kako mogu da se solidarisem s onim protivu cega nastupam istovremeno (mislim na politicke odredbe). Pa hajde, ici cu tvojim rjecima :) - ti si Jevrejin, i Jevreji gdje god da su u svijetu (pa cak - ne, pogotovo sada kada imaju svoju drzavu) ce uvijek osjecati vrlo jaku pripadnost jednih drugima, i tako mislim da ti jednostavno to ne mozes razumijeti. Kod mene ("nas"), to je zaista neprimenjivo." Pogodio si u tacku. To ti je istina. Istina, i velika zalost. --] 23:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Please! ==
	Be advised not to leave offensive and meaningless messages on my talk pages!
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	''These are not offensive messages, but a re excerpts taken from the Misplaced Pages:Vandalism policy page, which deals with these things. Also, the removal of warnings is a no-no, especially when they're justified, like in this case. You may get an extended block, as it seems as if you're hiding that which you're doing. --PaxEquilibrium 17:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)''
	::My further advice to you - please stay away from my talk page and do not tutor me or threaten me with blocks!--] 01:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
	== stvoreni da mrzimo ==
	Ovdje prestupas granicu koju ne smijes prestupiti. Prije nego se upustis u tu diskusiju, moras prvo opredjeliti sto mislis pod onome sto si rekao. Da li to znaci da nema nista u zivotu osim ove emocije? To je potpuna neistina. Ja volim svoje roditelje i umro bih za njih -- kako bi oni umrjeli i za mene. Jesam li spreman umrjeti za Arapa? Kad tone u vodi, valjda, jesam -- jer on u taj trenutak vise nije Arap, nego covjek kao sto sam ja. Ali onda moram da se pitam: tone li on u vodi, ili pak samo se cini na to? Sto se mene tice, ja bih volio da kazem: ja cu ga spasiti prvo, a pitati potom. To bismo svi voljeli da kazemo. Ali nemam sumnje da bih ga ostavio da tone ako bi to znacilo da cu spasti svoje roditelje - s kojom god zaloscu on tonuo.
	Ovo je u nama ljudima od trenutka kada smo rodeni. Mudrost je u tome da razumijes to, i primis stanje stvari onakvo kakvo jeste. Ja smatram da treba da ljudi razumiju: mrznja medu plemenima ne postoji. To je jos jedna gromka izmislica -- jos jedan primjerak praha u oci. Ono sto je natjeralo te vojnike da ubijaju, da tjeraju, da siluju, to nije mrznja, nego oholost -- prljava oholost s dodatkom odsustva savjesti. Danasnji ljudi, svojom vecinom, nemaju savjesti; savjest nije upucena njima. Pa i oduvijek tako bilo -- i u Njemackoj 1940h, i u Angliji 1900h kada su djecu bestidno ganjali po fabricima da rade dane od dvadeset i cetiri sata bez prekida. Razlika medu tim vremenom i nasim jeste, da je taj skup ljudi koji je to poricao i koji je u tome vidio svu gadnost koja je zracila odande, taj skup je u to vrijeme imao dobro osjecanje za ono sto se jos tada moglo zvati "covjeske vrline." Sada te vrline se priblizavaju sve vise do nestanka, a svjest o njima je vecim dijelom vece izgubljena. Mislim, naravno, na spremnost zrtvovati za one koji su ti bliski -- a jedna od stvari koje ces morati zrtvovati -- nema sumnja o tome -- jeste komfortan zivot, bez neprijatelja i zlozelatelja. --] 23:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
	: etnicko pripadanje nema nimalo veze s time. Sam si rekao za to. Znaci treba odgovor traziti drugdje -- jere ocigledno je u pitanju nesto sto je povezano s etniconscu, ali ne identicno njoj. --] 01:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
	:: da ga poznajem? naravno bih ga prvog spasio. Da ne poznajem obojicu, ne mogu obecati nista. -] 21:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
	::: Nisam uvjeren da ona druga vrsta postoji. da, naravno, pod tom zastavom svasta se radi, ali se nikad ne zna sto je stampano pod odjelom, ako me razumijes. --] 00:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Eastern Slavonija, Western Srijem, Baranja ==
	When was this region, de jure part of a Serbian state? ] 00:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
	:In response:
	:* the Serbian Kingdom (Syrmian) for which you must be referring to the Lower Srijem (below Danube) as the Upper Srijem was ruled by a Hungarian Ugrin Csák;
	:* the Serbian Empire - I'm assuming you are referring to that of emperor Dusan - the boundary of which was at the Drava and Danube rivers & as such did not include Baranya, Srijem or Slavonija;
	:* the Duchy of Syrmium; the Serbian Dukedom; the Dukedom of Serbia and Tamis Banate; - most of these entities were merely adminstrative provinces of the Hungarian kingdom which at times involved some measure of autonomy to reflect the high migration of Serbs to the region. However, in most cases, they did not include ''Western'' Srijem, and Eastern Slavonia, nor Eastern Srijem since the treaty of Karlowitz as these areas were part of the crown land of Croatia and the triume Kingdom of Croatia - however the Serbian Voivodship did include Baranya;
	:* the Kingdom of Serbia - In wikipedia it mentions that Srijem joined the kingdom of Serbia on Nov 24 1918, but the map only shows eastern Srijem. There is a problem with this b/c at the same time, the territories were part of the State of the Croats, Serbs & Slovenes that declared independence from Austria-Hungary?;
	:* the Serb-Hungarian Baranya-Baja Republic - a disputed territory between Hungary & Kingdom of Serbs Croat and Slovenes that did not include Srijem or Slavonia;
	:* the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes - drawing a long bow here aren't we? By that rational, all of Vojvodina, Sandzak etc was de jure part of Croatia;
	:* Kingdom of Yugoslavia - same point as for the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes;
	:* Autonomous Province of Vojvodina (in the Republic of Serbia)- Srijem, Baranya or Eastern Slavonia not part of this entity;
	:* the Serbian Autonomous Region of eastern Slavonia, croatian Baranya and western Syrmium and the Republic of Serbian Frontier - they are not dejure recognised entities and existed as self-proclaimed republics and as a result of a military campaign. These regions were reintegrated into Croatia by the UN as part of the Dayton accords and were explicitly recognised as an integral part of the republic of Croatia.
	: So in conclusion, there was never a de-jure internationally recognised Serb state that was composed of Eastern Slavonia and Baranja and Srijem. Serbian Autonomous Region of eastern Slavonia, croatian Baranya and western Syrmium was merely a vehicle for Milosevic's regime's attempt at a land grab for the oil fields in Eastern Slavonia. As Milovan Djilas stated in an interview I saw in the early 1990's, the AVNOJ boundaries between SR Serbia and SR Croatia were drawn on the basis of ethnic delineation. Thus SR Serbia got Eastern Srijem, whilst Croatia was compensated with Istria. ] 03:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	:: You are trolling? no? ;) Apart from the fact that Croatia-Slavonia was one crownland (of which Syrmia was a part off), and that prior to being reunited, it had previously existed as one entity as the kingdom of Croatia within Hungary and before this as part the ] under various stages of the Trpirmir dynasty. This continuity in terms of integralness to the various Croat states over the ages and Croat demographic was why Western Srijem remained part of SR Croatia, and Eastern Srijem was given to the SR Serbia by virtue of the Serbian demographic there, as alluded to by Milovan Djilas's comments. ] 14:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	::Upper Srijem was ruled by a Hungarian Ugrin Csák and the lands were reincorporated into the Kingdom of Hungary and subsequently the Slavonia crownland that often changed hands between Hungary and Croatia. Speculation over his effective control is neither here nor there. ] 14:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	''...it was a part of the Serbian state, but was never a de-jure internationally recognised Croat state that was composed of Eastern Slavonia and Baranja and Srijem. :)))''
	:Touche! :) But you miss the obvious Republic of Croatia recognised in 1992 that comprised the territory of Eastern Slavonia and Baranja and Srijem. ; )
	:Putting aside Baranja; Eastern Slavonia & ''Western Srijem'' was internationally recognised as part of King Tomislav's & Kresimir IV's Croatia. It was part of a crownland (initially Croatia then as Croatia-Slavonia) recognised as a title by the nobility of Europe. It was also part of the autonomous Banovina Croatia within the first Yugoslavia; NDH; and the Peoples Republic of Croatia and Socialist Republic of Croatia in the Second Yugoslavia. Thus you have a relationship between Eastern Slavonia/Western Srijem & Croat state, with interruptions, spanning over a thousand years. ] 15:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	''Like I said, the original reason was to storm Croatia through those territories, but in the end it ended to historical territorial aspirations. Ethnic definition? The Yugoslav republics were formed by neither historical nor ethnic definitions, or a combination of the two. I hope you're not referring to the Ustasha Axis Independent State of Croatia that contained eastern Syrmium.''
	:The modern boundaries of Croatia and BiH was largely formed by the treaty of Karlowitz which roled back the Ottoman Turks gains in Europe. The triune kingdom of Croatia included Eastern Srijem - I believe this was the basis for it's inclusion in the NDH? Ethnically, as stated earlier, and per Milovan Djilas's revelations, the AVNOJ boundary between SR Croatia & SR Serbia was drawn in 1945 on ethnic lines. Even 50 years later, Croats still held a relative majority in the area that constituted the self declared Serb autonomous region of Eastern Slavonia and Baranja and Srijem. Any historical claim was overshadowed by the demographic reality and the stronger historical connection with various iterations of Croat statehood. As for places around Knin (Kraljevski Nin) and Petrova Gora (King Petar Svacic) - the historical Croatian connection is obvious. To claim the AVNOJ boundaries do not resonate historical and ethnic realities would involve an oversight of these strong facts to the contrary. ] 15:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	::''There are no speculations. In the time Hungary ruled Slavonia directly from 1225 to 1467, this one time it was in Serbian hands. --PaxEquilibrium 14:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)''
	::: I believe such a notion is erroneous - ''"...Hungarian influence was stronger in the north of Croatia (Slavonia)..."'' in terms of granting land, only the king could do that - but he was king of Croatia ''''and'''' Hungary. ''"...In 1222, the powerful Croatian nobility forced King Andrew II to issue the Golden Bull, a charter limiting royal authority. Every year he had to convene an assemly (])of the armed nobility and hear complaints and requests, and the nobility had the right to resist if he did not respect their privelages."'' (Ivo Goldstein, history of Croatia, p22). Hardly what you call direct rule - sourced from a historian of Jewish extraction - hardly a nationalist. Furthermore, from the same source, ''"...in 1273 in Zagreb, the first sabor of 'All Slavonia' (today this region is Croatia north of the mountain of Gvozd (also known as Petrova Gora) and the Sava river). The nobility voted for various legal regulations and were clearly ambitious to rule alongside the king in accordance with the 1222 charter. The ban approved the assembly's conclusions."'' ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	::: It should also be noted that having a separate ban in Slavonia was a sign of continuity of the ] because a Slavonian ban existed in the Croatian kingdom which had bans in a few different areas. Indeed, Petar Kresimir IV organised the Pannoanian Croats (in modern day Slavonia and northern Bosnia) into his kingdom peacefully by taking on the ban of Slavonia and future king of Croatia Dmitar Zvonimir as his adviser. ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	::: Also, the Arpad house died out in 1301 and it was the King of Naples from the French house of Anjou that acquired the Hungary-Croatia throne. After Louis's death, there was anarchy & civil war in Croatia over accession, with some nobles ruling in their own right and others gathering around Tvrtko of Bosnia. ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	::''''That's what I've been trying to tell you - western Syrmia (most eastern Slavonia) weren't a part of the Croat medieval state.''
	::: Eastern Slavonia and Western Srijem at different times were part of the medieval dukedom of the Pannonian Croats, whose control was only interrupted for brief periods by the Byzantium or Bulgar empires. This region later become the Slavonia ban's part of the Kingdom of Croatia, and was part of the rule of King Tomislav, Kresimir IV and Dmitar Zvonimir (himself ban of Slavonia prior to accession to the throne). ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	::That's just like the Greater Serbian demands for Krajina (although Greater Croat demands in this case, won).''
	::: Greater Croatia? Such a notion ignores the fact that the region collectively was closely associated to Croatia historically (through the ], ], ] (exclusive of Baranja), ], ] (exclusive of Baranja), ] (exclusive of Baranja) & ] (exclusive of Baranja). Furthermore there was a strong ethnical link with the ethnic makeup just before the 1990's war containing a relative majority of Croats; it was composed of 90,454 (47%) Croats, 61,492 (32%) Serbs, and 40,217 (21%) others. ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	::''Why mention 1992? I already mentioned 1939 being the first time, so there's no need to mention all the latter you mentioned. Over a thousand years? I think you're slightly overestimating. Then again, with interruptions, there are also centuries-old relationships with the Serb state. :)''
	::: The 1939 Banovina Hrvatska did not contain Baranja, but incorporated much of Srijem.
	:::With the exception of Baranja (most closely associated with Magyar history and ethnicity), any tenuous association with adjoining Serb populated areas within the Hungarian kingdom under the guise of municipa autonomy is overshadowed by it's legal, historical connection with the Croatian crown via such agreements as Pacta Conventa, the various Golden Bull, and the two variations of the Nagodba agreements, which governed it large Croat population as well as significant numbers of Serbs, Germans and Magyars. ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	::''Of course they weren't. For differents part of the country different years were used (1878, 1910, 1918, 1939, 1941) and they were semi-ethnical - for example, trying to grasp one nation, but totally leaving large chunks of the other nation in that "nation-state" of that state (supporting a single ethnic group - such was evident in the Croatian case; or Slovene). --PaxEquilibrium 16:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Marinko"''
	::: By your rationale, ethnic borders could never be achieved because any border proposal would disadvantage some group. I think the Partisans achieved a fair balance. The 1945 AVNOJ border between Eastern part of the SR Croatia and Vojvodina of SR Serbia, was actually drawn on an ethnic basis that largely coincided with historical ones. With regard the large Serb populations in Lika, Kordun and Banija, they largely remained in Croatia because it was historically, geographically and economically an integral part of Croatia, contained a large number of Croats, and was not readily linked to Serbia because of the decision to restore the territory entity of Bosnia & Herzegovina in it's Ottoman/Austria-Hungary borders and served as a tampon zone b/c of the role BiH played in nationalist Croat/Serb visions. Serbia got to keep Eastern Srijem, Banat and Backa, Sandzak and Kosovo. Montenegro got the coastline from Boka Kotor to Budva. Croatia got Istra and Baranja. So every group had some gain and something to complain about.
	::: At the risk of contradicting the fact of my response on the subject, it's a shame the subject of borders dominates the region. Had SR Serbia focused on democratic and economic reforms rather than the military acquisition of the SR Croatia's oil fields (Slavonia) and tourist city of Dubrovnik , it would not find itself in the position it finds itself today - minus Montengrans and Kosovars as partners; and among the bottom of Europes economic ladder; and the subject of political parody over the mention in it's new constitution the site of a medieval battlefield. ] 10:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Factanista ==
	Factanista ima potpuno pravo sto govori. Nije bas sve 50/50 na Wiki. Neki imaju vise prava i i to stalno minjaju Wiki kako ono hoce.
	Jedno Pitanje..kako je on moga izbrisat sve sto je pisalo na njegov discussion page?
	Ja sam to isto mislio jednom radit ali ti se reko da nemogu to ja brisat ako neman tvoj ok.. cak sve je copyright pod Wiki i nista se nebrise...ali on je sve izbrisao.
	Ja ga ne tuzim ..samo pitan jeli moguce ..jer i ja bi tako sve izbrisao pa se vise ne vratio.
	Dosta je i meni bilo od nekih poput Giovanni itd...
	] 02:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Checkuser confusion ==
	In regards to ], I hope I cleared up some confusion on your part by adding that explanation from {{user|UninvitedCompany}}, a checkuser. Cheers, '''] <sup>]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 03:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Re: ==
	здраво! Извини за овако спор одговор на твоју поруку. Пишем на српском јер видим да ти је сх матерњи језик. Што се тиче национализма и википедије и мог одласка и доласка......... Не знам шта да ти кажем, јер било каква тема у том правцу захтева дуго разлагање, а ово није место за то. У једној реченици, не могу да смислим било какав облик национализма, а нажалост тога има свуда, било да је српска, хрватска, словеначка или босанска википедија. Неки људи из дотичних држава као да нису сити ратовања па би хтели још и још увек млате неку већ испрану националну реторику. То је био једини разлок мог привременог одласка са српске Википедије. На њу сам се вратила, али избегавам чланке које су на онај или овај начин везане за ратове, политику, религију и такозвани патриотизам на тлу бивше СФРЈ. Бљак... ;)
	Хвала за звездицу!!! :) Поздрављам те!
	п.с. Одакле си?
	] 07:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Re: Smoking ==
	A prije li si opazio... :)))
	Hvala. ] 08:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Petition ==
	I open a petition ]. --] 19:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
	== I Dunno ==
	I sed i think so, but im not sure. Uno, dont quote me on that.
	] 05:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Hey! ==
	Pa ti si HolyRomanEmperor! :)tj. bivshi HRE.
	Sad znam ko si ti :) Otkud PaksEkvilibrijum?
	Nije samo bio u pitanju BMalagurski ili kako mu je vec bilo prezime.. Vec chinjenica da su chlanci koje je ON pisao ostali (i dan danas). Ima jedan chlanak koji je on napisao, i koji josh eto stoji tako na srpskoj vikipediji, a kao da ga je Mitevic pisao u ondashnje ratno hushkachko vreme.. Stoga, nije on kriv shto je tako lud, vec shto ga je celokupna zajednica, tj. wiki community, podrzhala u toj ludosti..
	Shta ima po Beogradu? :)
	] 10:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	==Mapa Vojvodine==
	Naprotiv, mapa Militargrenze je netačna. To sam već davno proverio. Granica Vojvodstva Srbije i Kraljevine Slavonije je bila kod Iloka. ] ] 17:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Hey! ==
	You've heard Albanians complaining that they don't have rights? Or you've heard Macedonians complaining about the rights of Albanians in Macedonia?
	If the first, I can tell you one thing (let me put it in Serbocroatian): ''Даш му прст, а он хоће читаву руку''. That is the simpliest way of explaining that situation.
	If the second, it is a result of the first (the quote in Serbocroatian). Regards, ] 18:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	:I've never heard about the "Yugoslav Serbo-Macedonian Alliance...". Also, there weren't any such attempts of "removing" Albanians through the Constitution.
	:You made me curious about this. Do you have any links? Thanks in advance, ] 19:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
	== AVNOJ Borders of the SFRJ Republics ==
	The visual effect of the examples you have provided would change if you included Vojvodina & Kosovo which whilst enjoying autonomy were still part of SR Serbia. It would also change if you used the Triune Kingdom or the NDH instead of the Banovina.
	Regarding BiH, the decision made to not include parts of BiH in either Serbia, whose claim was compromised by the Chetnik activities against Bosnjiaks (Muslims), a key interest group for Tito and the fact that most Serbs resided in Western Bosnia, difficult to link to SR Serbia; or Croatia who had a strong claim becuase of practical application (Herzegovina adjoins Dalmatia) and history but compromised by the NDH's activities, and the Muslims notion that Bosnia is indivisible. There was also the fact that many territories in Bosnia were heavily mixed and would require a population swap - an untenable position. The potential exception would have been Herzegovina where the populations were less mixed.
	Note that what I wanted to show by my example was that it was not only Serbs who had people outside it's respective 'motherland' albeit in the Serbs case it was more pronounced - many Bosnjiaks resided in Serbia and Montengro, many Croats in BiH & Vojvodina, many Albanians in Serbia and Macedonia, many Hungarians in Serbia.
	With regard to Slavonia, the association with the Croatian (read here Trpirmir, Arpad, Anjou, Hasburg dynasties) kings and the triune kingdom, Banovina, NDH and Socialist Croat federal republics merely reinforce the historical link and correspond to the ethnic reality of the region. Hence to conclude that Eastern Slavonia and Western Srijem, indeed the whole of Slavonia as a part of Republic of Croatia resulting from that continuity, as strange and detrimental to Serbia, is itself strange and does not factor in the continuity mentioned above.
	I also think it is important to remember that the so-called gains and losses by the Republics often reflected either ethnic reality, historical links or both (albeit with a heavy bias towards more modern history); and these two criteria often reflected economic and geographical viability of the republics. Thus Bosnia was too mixed to split. Regarding the Lika, Kordun & Banija Serbs, to remove that area from Croatia would not only cut the historical continuity the area had within various iterations of the Croatian state, but undermine the geographical continuity and economic viability of both entities, as was demonstrated in the case of the short lived SAO Krajina.
	Regarding the loss of Montenegro, it depends on how you view it - one could view it as loss of a Serbian land, or the reinstatement of Montenegran independence taken away from them in the early 1900's.
	Out of curiosity, how would you have redrawn the AVNOJ boundaries? What would have been the criteria? ] 07:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
	:* Wasn't alot of the Kosovo tension over a referendum promised circa 1945 then reneged by Tito over whether it would be included in Yugoslavia or Albania?
	:* Re Kosovo autonomy, I can understand how in most respects except for monetary, foreign and military functions, the region was self-governing; but Vojvodina had a majority of Serbs - if it was the case that Vojvodina was assuming a status of almost a republic, then it would have had to be supported by Serbs?
	:* The notion that Serbs were without an effective motherland is a claytons one. The goal of a unitary state resembled a Greater Serbia in effect under the hegemonic influence of the largest ethnic group, the Serbs. The goal of preserving and codifying federalism resembled quasi-independence for the Croats and Slovenes. Hence the idea of cultural autonomy model you suggested would not work given the end games in mind. The European experience has shown that the best model for preserving national is achieved through a nation state that accomodates minority rights, and wider issues within regional frameworks such as the EU and UN (despite their flaws).
	:* I disagree with your notion that Croatia could only function once the Serbs left - I believed that Croatia could have functioned with their Serbian population, had the Serbs not allowed themselves to be manipulated by Serbia - a folly they have dearly paid for. Serbs functioned well within the structures of the ''Kingdom of Croatia'' the ''Triune Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia & Slavonia'', holding the position of vice-ban. They operated well within the Banovina and the Croatian Republics in the Second Yugoslavia. The reason for this is because they were more closely linked with their Croatian kin because of shared historical experiences such as the reformation, revolutions etc, exposure to same institutions and eduction, integrated economic systems (the whole of Lika, Kordun, Banija, Northern Dalmatia and Zagreb are one economic entity). This commonality was stronger for most of the time, than some epheral national consciousness with Serbs everywhere. But unfortunately, scaremongering, rural backwardness and political opportunism won out in the end. Despite this, Croatia still functions with a sizable Serb minority today. ] 16:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Little question ==
	Do you know why ] and ] both claim to be leaving Misplaced Pages... on the same day?? It seems like the number of us former-YU editors is dwindling. All of a sudden, I may be second-closest to being admin someday :P. (Heaven help us if that actually happened...)
	Also, sorry about the King Petar Krešimir article. Unfortunately, I don't have access to many printed sources as I live in ]. Trekking over to the Croatian library in my area for Misplaced Pages's sake would quickly result in me failing school, which is why I don't contribute very in-depth info. Regards. --] 22:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Bosniakophobia should be given a chance ==
	Some Serbs that Bosniakophobia is not an English word? Well, Serbophobia is also NOT an English word. It's not located in English dictionary. In the beginning, Serbophobia returned only 2 matches at Google. When Serbs introduced this word to Misplaced Pages, thanks to thousands of scrapper pages, Google now returns close to 3,000 matches (all copies of Misplaced Pages content). Serbophobia was also nominated for deletion etc, but nobody deleted it. Bosniakophobia should also NOT be deleted. ] 07:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
	:'''Bosniak''', one illegitimate article doesn't warrant another. I agree, the ] and ] are both dubious articles, just as is ], ] and other such made-up, politically motivated articles. Drop the whole nationalist blame-game and spend your time on something constructive instead!Regards ] 12:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Kosovar (the User) ==
	PaxEquilibrium, you wrote a message in my talk page. I wrote a short message back below your message. I also send you some ''greetings'' in the Talk:Kosovo page. Take care and I hope I am not taking too much of your time. Yours, ] 19:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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	== Afrika paprika ==
	Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've blocked both IPs. You're welcome to ] a request for checkuer if you'd like, otherwise, no further action is necessary. —<span style="color: red;"><span style="font: small-caps 14px times;">]</span><small> (])</small></span> 21:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
	:I've removed your report from ] - not because it wasn't personal attacks, but because someone got to the IP address and blocked it already :) ] <sup>]</sup> 16:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	== You too? ==
	Eh, you left too? I tried to leave, but I am too notorious wikiholic (as Duja said), and since I do not have job, the ways to spend my free time would be too limited without Misplaced Pages. :) I hope you will come back too. ] ] 02:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
	==I don't wish talking to people with mental illusions==
	TThis includes you, a war criminal defending editor and denier of serb beast crimes.
	'''I don't know wether user Duja has mobilized serb nationalist for this ridiculous vote, or if these supposedly non-serbian voters actually are serbs hiding behind wikipedia accounts. No matter what, you are all voting for the removal of a page listing devilish people - and in doing so you do not less than support them! Some call this page POV just because it lists? It's unbelievable - well it wasn't me or any other editor that killed the children or women which earned the criminals a place on the list of serb criminals. Becasue of your scandalous denial and the belief that commited war crimes should be hidden away and forgotten, your deeds will be answered with consequences. I'm sure these consequences allready are present in your lifes to an extent - how can anyone who votes for denial feel good inside their damaged souls? But like I said time will catch up with anyone who does so. Truth always prevails and those who work against it will regret it deeply with time. The moral equivalence that wikipedia's extremely amateuristic writers are trying to follow is horrible, being neutral does not apply when it comes to choosing between the evil and good side, anyone who thinks so automatically has chosen the evil side. Being equivalent in the Bosnian "war" (aggression!), is like being neutral and equivalent to the Holocaust of Jews. We are talking about peaceful human beings killed by humans possesed by evil forces - and you are neutral?, well keep on dreaming..neutral is the last thing you are. I and every peace loving man or women whish you no good, for people like you are the reason of war and misery, sorry but that is the truth - it's an evil path you have choosen for yourselves. My suggestion to you is to try to save yourselves before it is to late and you will regret all your bad acts. (This will probably be removed sooner than I wrote it, obviously another example of denial and injustice) ''' ]
	== POV? ==
	"This is an incomplete list of people, with Serb ethnicity, who have been accused of war crimes and attrocities commited during sgovernmental military campaigns, mainly carried out in Bosnia between 1992-1995, on civilian Bosniaks and warprisoners of both Croat and Bosniak ethnicity." No where does it say that every Serbian is a war criminal. It points out those who are currently hiding, being tried, or have been sentenced. How is it POV? Greetings, ] 21:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	:That statement was not there when this subject was introduced to me. I do not agree with that statement, however, now there is nothing wrong with the artilce. It is as neutral as it can be. Thanks, ] 21:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	::Of course the other two articles will show up. However as far as I can see there are only a few Bosnian Muslim leaders indicted of those 2-3 were jailed, the rest let go. This is according to the articles List of ICTY Former Yugoslavia War criminals. (Bosniaks have done some attocities, but ona a much lower scale, look at the Serbian attack on Srebrenica for example) Thank you, ] 21:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	== Response ==
	I understand, however, I did not make the list. We may have to remove some people and add others if the article is kept. And yes, we have to define a war criminal. To answer your question, Draza Mihajlovic, in my opinion, is a war criminal considering that in every school in Yugoslavia students learned that he was a criminal. He was fascist and fascists are not welcomed in this world. If you would like you can play "Devil's advocate" and say “why the fascist ideology would be bad?” Well, today's society defines it is a bad ideology. (I thought you were for the SFRJ ideologies and nation) Thanks, ] 22:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
	:He was a Cetnik leader, which automatically defines him as fascist. They were the ones who hand in hand fought with the Germans during the Second World War, meaning they agreed with the Nazi ideas. They carried out many missions for the Nazi's during WWII. He was tried by the OZNA and the SFRJ.
	:The English article has a lot of POV, but these to sentences provided some interesting detail overlooked by the English article:
	:*''Sa svojim trupama se na početku borio protiv Njemačkog okupatora, dok je kasnije četnički pokret počeo otvoreno surađivati sa okupatorom u borbi protiv jugoslovenskih partizana. Odsjek zaštite Naroda (OZNA), 12. marta 1946, uhapsio je Dražu Mihajlovića.''
	:Thanks, ] 01:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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	You made on ]. Please review ] and do not make further such edits. You need to file a ] request to confirm if the user is indeed a sockpuppet; otherwise such edits can be considered as ]. Regards, &mdash; ]<span class="plainlinks"> </span> 06:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
	== Odgovor ==
	I find it interesting that you changed your opinion considering that you seem to be one of the users for SFRJ. However, it seems that now you are defending Cetnik ideoloy. I do not understand your viewpoint. Nothing good can come out of the Cetniks and the Ustase unless one supports the nationalism in those countries. A true Yugoslavian actually detests the work of Draza Mihajlovic. I mean he was a Cetnik and worked against Yugo. That is enough for me, since no one unless they are Cetnik or Ustase, can they say that Yugo was a horrible country. It is actually positive that Tito removed their freedom. Thanks, ] 22:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
	== Personal Information ==
	For posting personally idenitifying information , I have indfefinitely blocked you from editing. An indefinite block need not mean you will not be unblocked. But There is no excuse for posting personally identifying information anywhere on Misplaced Pages, without that person's consent. Should I find this to be the case, I will remove your block and apologize.--] 19:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	:I must say I have ''no idea'' what you're talking about. What personal information? When, why? What are you talking about? No apology needed - just let me see if you had any reason to ban me in the first place. ;) --] 20:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	:One of the funniest things is that I ''do not know'' personal information of any User whatsoever. :) --] 20:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	:], it seems that I posted around personal information about a user called ]. This is very, very weird to me - I've seen the talk page of him/her right several seconds ago for the first time in my life - and have never met him/her ''ever'' before. I really do not understand... --] 21:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	::Come on, own up, apoligize and say you'll never do it again (assuming you did not do it and unless this was a tactic to get a permablock so that you can retire :p).--] 21:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::Read below. :) --] 21:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::LOL, sorry about that. BTW if you haven't left WP then why don't you revert your userpage?--] 21:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	To make a long story short, there was odd sequence of events involving ] which led to the block, which I have now removed. I apologize for the inconvenience. Best, ] ] 21:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	:I am blocked ''again''. --] 11:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	==Reply==
	Yes, it very much does appear that way. I hope you don't have to go through anymore of that! ''semper fi'' — ] 21:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	==My guess as to what happened==
	At 12:54 (UTC) today, you made an edit to ], which added to the bottom of the page a notice of Pschemp's alleged real name and contact details in a special box. Immediately under it, you added the following:
	:''<nowiki>== Afrika paprika ==
	]. All self-confirmed and evident. He has been banned - but that ban gave no effect as he kept returning for all these weeks (months?). --] 12:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)</nowiki>''
	The next edit, at 12:56, was from ], and carried the edit summary:
	:(''→] - deleted user info'')
	I didn't see it at the time, but saw MONGO's note to Pschemp, just before I went to dinner. I looked at the diff, and saw that the personal info had been deleted in the very next edit. I sent an e-mail to the oversight mailing list from ] page &mdash; the best way to do it, as it gets the entry permanently removed without drawing extra attention to it first. I did wonder if PaxEquilibrium might be innocent. The user who has been posting that info in the last few days normally put it in the edit summary as well, and used IPs or newly-created accounts. I wondered if PaxEquilibrium had copied that info, and then accidentally pasted it into a genuine post, or if the software bug which sometimes causes an old edit to be reinstated when a new edit is made had struck again (which would mean that that info had been posted and then reverted in previous edits to the noticeboard shortly before PaxEquilibrium made his post.
	I was going to post to the noticeboard after dinner, suggesting that PaxEquilibrium might be innocent and a glitch in the system might be responsible. However, when I got back to my computer, I found that the info had been oversighted, and Mackensen had unblocked PaxEquilibrium. I endorse the unblocking (though I also endorse the original blocking, as that's an emergency security measure that we take while investigating the posting of personal information).
	Since PaxEquilibrium's post has been oversighted, looks as if BusterD posted the good part of PaxEquilibrium's post, whereas in fact he really removed the bad part.
	Hope that makes things clear. ] ] 21:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
	:I was blocked by an autoblock by MONGO. Could someone please lift the autoblock? --] 11:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	::It should be lifted now. ''']''' 11:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::I'm the accidental culprit in this. I apologize to anyone affected by my poorly worded communication to MONGO. I had sent a personal email and associated diff which looked strange to MONGO because of the database blanking removing the vandal's tracks. My intention was ask MONGO to offer an administrator's view of the database blanking, which related to a bad vandal I had warned and then was really quickly squashed by an admin. I had no argument with that appropriate action and didn't want to raise any chat on a public talk because I didn't understand the action.
	:::My curiosity about how admin tools work and my poor communication skills were the contributing factors, and I sincerely am sorry for any inconveniences I was involved in causing. ] 15:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::Until reading on this talk page about the terrible mess I caused I was unaware of ] page and now know where to turn when I see activity of such a damaging kind. WP Admins were all over this situation in minutes. I had been innocently reading my watchlist, saw the inappropriate posting, and made what I judged the correct change, then warned the user. Before I could report the activity, virtually all database records of this incidents were deleted from my user view. I saw my contributions wiped off, and sensed this was how the pedia dealt with those risks, and then used a back channel to ask an admin I trust for perspective. MONGO misinterpreted my email as a notification and call to action, and MONGO wasted no time protecting the community. That's my first-hand view of what happened. ] 15:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	== Montenegrin Demographic data ==
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	I have put source, but you still delete it. Can you explain this? Please check history http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Demographic_history_of_Montenegro&action=history -] 14:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	: Did you notice my entry in Source section: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Demographic_history_of_Montenegro&diff=89608035&oldid=87219276 -] 15:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	:: You are working here as POV pusher, as you didn't use same rule to other parts of article. This document show that ethnicity of people that lived in Montenegro at that time are called Montenegrin and document author is ruler of Montenegro at that time, if that is not official I really don't know what it is. You have there the source section and all data that you need to find it. It is printed in Belgrade, Published by CID Podgorica 1999. year -"Acts collection of Petar I Petrovic" -] 15:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	::: Statement by the Ruler of Montenegro that in Montenegro lives Montenegrin people is not demographic data? And the statement that in Montenegro lives Serbs are Demographic data? Can you explain this? Also explain where are sources in that form and details that you have asked for other statements on this page? -] 16:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::: Where is that reference about that? Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/Demographics -] 17:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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	Oh, no, you didn't do anything bad, I understand that I had forgotton to complete a page move for over 20 minutes and had broken the other half of the joke, I understand your motive :) ''semper fi'' — ] 17:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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	The Church was manned by World War II Nazies... and the sole reason of its existence was to wholesomely assimilate an ethnic group... mostly dealt with forceful subjection. --PaxEquilibrium 15:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
	:So write it like that. With this - I agree. ] 15:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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	:Pax, sorry if I was unclear above. I invited you to the Srebrenica massacre page to act as a second opinion on the ongoing discussions there. Right now it is very polarized and I'd like some fresh editors to the article to maybe calm things down.] 12:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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	I sort of disagree with you about my Montenegrin. I truely do understand it and know how to write it, but I am writing in non-stop English that I am forgetting some words and how to phrase out the words.
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	Yes, I do have pride in my Montenegrindom, but my actions have led me to downgrade that pride on wikipedia. From now on, I am neutral on many matters. If I know about a topic and write about it, I want people to agree me, not to go against me.
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	Also, I am terribly sorry for critisizing you for being a "Serb nationalist and using too many pro-Serb sources" when I know you try to stay neutral. I just had this bad hunch that you may be at it "again" while reviewing the talk page on the Duklja article.
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	==Rudjer Boskovic==
	I see I maybe got tangled into things I shouldn't have meddled with. You see, I was always taught that Rudjer Boskovic was a Serb, but I realize that he is considered a Croat. I apologize for complicating things, I was only writing what I thought was right. I won't edit that article anymore... --] 21:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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	Rudjer Boscovich had a Croatian father and Italian mother. He was born in Croatia. That would make him Croatian and part Italian.
	He has no blood or birth link to Serbia.
	Just Serb propaganda.
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	:He had no blood or birth link to Serbia... well, except his father's humongous interest in Serbia and the its Churches and Monasteries... He wasn't born in Croatia - he was born in ''Ragusa''. As for who his father really was - he indeed converted from Orthodoxy to Catholicism (perhaps), but we all today learn that he was Croat - and so that should it be. The minor less significant Serbian claim should also be mentioned, but only as such. --] 21:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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	Are people born in Monaco called French????
	Paxi, people of Ragusa were Croats just like you have French in Monaco.
	Religion and interests is not a factor in someones origin.
	His father could well have been a Bosniak.
	I too love the pyramids does that make me Egyptian?
	Does your love of the Dalmatian dog make you Croatian?
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	Ivo Andric also loved the Serbian culture etc... but his origin was Croatian.
	It's called respect. Croats and Serbs have always found eachother interesting.
	Now to get onto your band wagon..Tesla was a Vlach by origin but some say Serb..in the end he said he was Serb and that's what we should write.
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	This topic has no end..and to tell ya the truth it's areal sick topic.
	We all know the truth yet someone wants to keep bending it into some SerbPov.
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			== The so called "Pannonian Croatia" ==
	////007 u Crnoj Gori. Cujem prvi put ali vidim da se spomije ...trebamo vidit film. 007 in Montenegro.
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	] 00:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
			i'm not a wikipedia user but just an amateur historian with a degree in Greek history. I have noticed, however, on this encyclopedia the article ]. The title is already an offense to the historiography as a science: it is known that no source mentions the Lower Pannonian duchy with this name. It is also known that there is no evidence even regarding some croatian political and / or cultural hegemony on this region in the ninth century. All sources in all languages ​​until at least the beginning of the seventeenth century speak of a region "of the Slavs" (Sclavonia, Windisch Land, Tótország, "Szlouenska zemla"), often in contrast to the neighboring Croatian duchy / kingdom / region.
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	Nisam to znao da je Bond poceo karijeru u Crnoj Gori. Drago mi je to znati sad jer ja volim te filmove ali nisam gledao sve (ima ih dosta, preko 20 haha). Znam da se pricalo da se taj James Bond "based on some true to life Serbian secret agent."
	Neznam jeli taj Srbin bio za KGB ili nesto drugo..
			The article even states (based on what evidence?) that the common language of the duchy was a not otherwise known "Old Croatian". Unbelievable! In the introduction there is the admission that the term "Duchy of Pannonian Croatia" is used only in Croatian historiography, but then the article proceeds regardless of this premise. The map accompanying the article is the work of a Hungarian historian of the 19th century, is old and obsolete, the boundaries do not correspond to those of the Duchy in the ninth century ... but, above all, no "Pannonian Croatia" is mentioned but only a domain of "Braslav, vassal of the Franks".
	Kako mogu dati zvezdu User "God of Justice"...zaboravio sam.
			I noticed that you are an influential user, a wiki.expert on the history of the Slavic countries. Please, for the sake of the Misplaced Pages project, do something to remove this propaganda article, taken directly from nineteenth-century romantic historiography. The year 1848 has long passed. Otherwise, in a while, wikipedia will be literally invaded by articles like "Duchy of Slovenian Carantania", "Slovak Empire of Great Moravia", "Ukrainian Principality of Kiev".
	God Speed
			There is already a good article on this topic: ], please remove this duchy of Pannonian Croatia from the english wikipedia once for all. Obviously a similar move will be inconceivable for the wikipedia in Croatian language, but this is not your problem.
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	Mislio sam i tebi dati jednu zvezdu ali sam je povuko/obrisao.
	Vidim da tvoj User page nema vise nista jer mozda ti tako volis.
	Znam da si imao prije dosta tih zvezda.
	Popov je Bond ..izgleda tako, veruj meni bice i film jednog dana o tom Popovu, mora biti.
	Cuo sam da ce biti film od Josipu Brozu - Titi, Stallone i De Nero radu dva razlicita filma od njemu.
	Volio Titu ili ne, covek nije bio tolko los, Tito se borio protiv nacifasisma i moze se slobodno reci on je donekle i zaustavio to u Evropi. Svak ima dobru i slabu stranu ali to je Titina dobra strana.
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	Tvoje novo ime je PIXIE
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	Pixie,
	Cuo sam negde prije kad si bio User:HRE da ti nisi pravi Srbin (po krvi). Ja sam mislio da su tvoji roditelji poreklom pola Srbi pola Hrvati ali zive u Srbiji.
	Prvi put cujem da nisi ni jedno ni drugo, nego nesto trece.
	Izvini ali odakle su tvoji roditelji? Volio bi to znati.
	Moji su iz Perast/Tivat Montenegro (yes you were right about EG M and me). Govori se da smo Hrvati iz Bosne dosli u Boku preko 500 godina. Obo dvoje su Catolici ali nije to bas 100% da smo Hrvati. Neki drugi govore da smo mi pravi Crnogorci naselili Boku. Moguce je da smo promenili veru kad smo dosli u Boku itd... A i prica ima da smo dosli sa Slavenima na Balkan u 7 stoljece i bili izmedu prvima na Jadranu. Kome verovati, i ko zna 100%? Jos jedno u Australiji sam ucio jezik u Hrvatskoj skoli jer ovde nema bas puno Crno Goraca i Srba.
	Pa eto mesam jedno i drugo kad pisem.
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	U vezi Tesle...to je stara vest..pa covek je 100% Vlach..znam da je imao Orthodox veru ali milsim da su njegovi tu veru preuzeli nekoloko generacija prije njega. AAaa ko zna to 100%.
	Znam da je Tesla sam govorio da je Vlach u nekim tekstima, on je znao to. Ali bio je Srbin na kraju i tako se zna po svetu. Ta istorija je glupa stvar ako idemo tolko back in time svi smo isti iz Afrike hahaha. Na Wiki je pre pisalo da je Vlach i ja sam pitao da se stavi jer se to zna o njemu, ali isto tako da se rece da je Srbin u njegov lifetime. Ancestry je druga prica to je Vlach , a sto je on, to je 100% Srbin. Razumes...
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"if I stayed - I would've lost my life, or lost my soul - for the moment that I would fire a gun (regardless to where is it pointed) - my very point of existence would have died forever, never to be resurrected; with that single shot."

Amazing words. Thanks for that.

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Lol, thanks? :D --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 07:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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Bosnia ethnic map, 1991

Hey. I got the original ethnic map of the university of belgrade for bosnia for 1991. Ceha's indeed is an edited version that shows croats and bosniaks more numerous, far more than in 1981. Tell me, how can I upload it? This is map is part of a book so I can scan it... but what then is the copywrite status? I don't want to upload it and have it deleted. Pozdrav, (LAz17 (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)).

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Unblocked

You have been unblocked per your appeal and consensus of comments on the admins' noticeboard regarding the possibility of doubt in the previous checkuser findings. Please don't give me reason to regret this. Thatcher 16:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

lol, trust me, he won't. PaxEqulibrium has always been a respected editor throughout Misplaced Pages. Yes, he has had his moments, but who hasn't? Anyways, welcome back, Pax! --Prevalis (talk) 00:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, welcome back :) BalkanFever 09:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Always nice to see a user get back on his feet, welcome back Pax :) --DIREKTOR 09:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Stvarno sam bio iznenađen kada sam video da si bio blokiran, i prvi, a posebno drugi put. Šta da ti kažem, welcome back, i srećno ti wikipedisanje. -- Bojan  09:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Does pax know that he's unbanned? (LAz17 (talk) 22:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

Yes he know--Rjecina (talk) 09:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Funny story

Hi, I just heard that you were unblocked. This is hilarius. Supposedly, someone stole your account. Again.

So, there is "another" active wikipedian in your vicinity using the same IP for 2 years, and you don't know who this is and how to stop him from stealing your identity.

This is hilarius. What is even more hilarius is that en:wiki have admins who are ready to buy this fairytale.

Good luck with your future sockpuppets. Anything goes here. --Ante Perkovic (talk) 13:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

...You are mistaken, my friend. Pax is currently studying at the University of Belgrade...which, as do most schools throughout the world with internet access, share IP addresses...So it couldn't have been Pax who did such a thing, as we all know PAx wouldn't commit to such crimes...Pax is a good Wikipedian, and I stand by that. --Prevalis (talk) 22:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

And we are supposed to believe you ,just because you say that??? LOL--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 09:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, I feel that even if Pax did use sockpuppets he's been banned for quite a while and deserves a second chance. (A third chance, however, is a different matter as I'm sure we'll all agree.) --DIREKTOR 09:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's think this way.

What a person whose wiki-identity is stolen do? It would propably immediately contact some admin and tried to take back his account and win back the respect of the comunity.

What a person who was blocked for having 70 sockpuppets would do? He would waited 3 months so noone can recheck his old IP addresses, and then he would claim that this "identity thief" used inly his job's IP address.

Pax waited 3 months and few days.

So, people, don't be naive, or even worse - don't knowingly support sockmaster just because you share (greater-serbian) political views with him.

--Ante Perkovic (talk) 06:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

important

It is of huge importance, that you tell the copywrite status of the 1991 ethnic map that you uploaded. Ceha is trying to get it deleted because of copywrite status. If you created it you can say it's your creation and are releasing it to the public domain. This way the map can be secured and not deleted. (LAz17 (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)). These are your maps which need copywrite status... http://commons.wikimedia.org/Image:BH1991.png http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:BH1991.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:BH1991.png Please also leave a comment in the talk page of those maps, as we need to keep them. (LAz17 (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)).

And do tell us how you made them. Cause if you made them editing (or coloring) anything remotly similar to than it should be deleted because you did not have copyright to edit that kind of data. You had to get submunicipal borders from somewhere. Also according to Laz, those maps are not correct and do not show settlment borders , see eastern tip of Derventa, Donji Višnjik settlment. No copywrite rights, bad borders, bad data. Simple solution, simple deletion. --Čeha (razgovor) 22:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Ceha, you made your maps by editing other maps. That's a fact. I see nothing wrong with coloring over the national geographic map. Pax is under no obligation to tell us how he created his maps. Be it painting over, using a base map, or doing all sorts of other things such as paint, GIS, photoshop, or other things. According to me, Pax's map is far more accurate than the miserable map(s) that you support, some which have already been deleted. (LAz17 (talk) 05:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)).

Laz, try to read wikipedia's policy about copywrite. Editing maps without copywrite writes on those belgrade's maps(which he did do) is a breach of copywrite. Editing any map (including National gographics) without premision of the author is a breach of copywrite contract. Only of my maps which were deleted were due to copywrite problems.
For all the maps, according to wikipedia policy, author must give checkablle sources so it can be validated. So, yes, Pax obligation is to tell us how he created those maps and if they are in any breach with wiki policies (which they are) they will be deleted.
As for my maps of which do we argue about they are made by coloring blank municipal map of BiH (which can be downloaded from the net with edit copywrites) and bih census of 1991 and other sources which are listed there.
Laz, please, try to comprehend than according to you is not a valid wikipedia mesure and that you should stick to wikipedia rules. They, on all possible levels, do promote deletion of Pax's map. Only reason why it hasn't been done yet is because of our outgoing discussion. Hower, as it reaches it's end, those maps will be deleted for certain. --Čeha (razgovor) 07:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that you do not understand one thing. When I took cartography, our professor said that nobody can attack someone for using a certain base-map, when it comes to copywrite issues. Basemaps really can not be copywrited. It is what is on the basemap. Furthermore, it is okay to reproduce a map that looks like another map, but which is a bit different. Pax probably used GIS to get some cadastral sub-municipal borders, and then when he finished he just removed the borders, which is easy to do in GIS. The point is that you want to get his cartography skills and other stuff, so that you can enhance the quality of your bad maps, to try to make it look like they are good. (LAz17 (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)).
Laz, you are a bit paranoid, aren't you? Those maps were made by editing (probably in paintbrush)map (of which you claim it is from Belgrade's University, and which can be found on Rastko pages. I advised you to read and because you confuse fredom of information legistlation with public domain. There is no blank submunicipal basemap of bih whith free copywrite and you and Pax can be blocked if eather of you do post copyrighted material despite appropriate warnings. --Čeha (razgovor) 04:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually all base maps are free. Nobody can persecute someone for what they use as a base map. They can only quarrel over what is shown on the map, if it is too similar. I can take a rand mcnally map of a state of the US, scan it, delete everything on there asides from the border of the state, and put whatever I want on it, and it would be okay. It is not possible to persecute based on the base map. Furthermore, one can re-create base maps. And lastly, if this is true what you say, then nobody can make any new maps that are accurate. You are using a bosnian base map for the entire country, so by your logic, it must be deleted ASAP. (LAz17 (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)).

Ceha, you see this map?? http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:DemoBIH2006a.png You took that and changed the colors as well as other things. Why should your new version of this map not be deleted? Same stuff. (LAz17 (talk) 21:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)).

Pax is not aware that he is unblocked... is he? (LAz17 (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

Laz, again, do you read wikipedia policies or? Did you read what copywrite had sorce of this map  ? According to copywrite I had rights to change it. Pax's map does not have needed copywrite. I'm sorry to tell you that, again. If you can find apropriate base map wich shows submunicipial borders of BiH from institution which has the right to show it and which does not have copywrite issues, do please tell me. I'm very interested in that kind of map>:)
Pax's map are going to be deleted because of the breech of copywrite. Simple as that. Do try to read wiki policy before going into the discussion. --Čeha (razgovor) 07:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually these maps may be perfectly fine. We need to hear what PAX says. And he need not say how he made it, as it is legal to use any base map. His map does not have any boundaries inside the country. (LAz17 (talk) 04:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)).

Due to wikipedia policies, maps has been deleted. Laz do try to read previous conversation I'm not going to explain it all ab infinitum.--Čeha (razgovor) 06:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Email

Sorry but I can't trust you like earlier and because of that our only possibility is to talk on discussion pages. user:Thatcher has fallen on your words but every checkuser is knowing story about 3 months.

Like we have spoken in better times about Podgorica Assembly I am not interested in emotional arguments and personal thinking, but only in sources. All sources are speaking that annexation of Montenegro has been against Montenegrin laws. If you want more data which is not in article: Podgorica Assembly has been against points 2 and 70 of Montenegro constitution.

All statements which can be declared questionable are supported by sources, and because of that I can't understand where is problem. It is important to notice that event writen in article are supported by montenegrin historians, school books ..... I can understand that Serbia and people from Montenegro which are today for union with Serbia see things differently and this can be added in article, but only in separated section using rules Misplaced Pages:Fringe theories. In my thinking this is only possible solution if you want to add your theories--Rjecina (talk) 10:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Što ste ga napali, covječe?! Ma pusti te ga na miru. Čim je deblokiran, vi nalazite razlozi da biste ga odmah blokirali, opet. Ma kakvo je to poštovanje, ljudi? --Prevalis (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Rjecina, zna se da su namjere Podgoričkog skupština bile ilegalne i nijesu se slažili sa tadašnjom Crnogorskom ustavom, ali Srbi propagiraju to i kažu da su to neistine i da su činovi te skupštine bili fer. Pa šta će čovjek uraditi ako samo može koristiti izvore sa Srpskim bibliotecima? Mora da doprinosi nešto, barem njihove mišljenje, zar ne? --Prevalis (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Čeho, o'kle znaš sad da je slika o demografiji stanovništva Bosne i Hercegovine ilegalno postavljena na Wikipediji. Gdje su vam dokazi? Pokaži nam vaših izvora za vašu žalbu, pa ćemo vidjeti ko je u pravu ovdje. Možda je tvoja informacija pogrešna i bezvrijedna, možda i nije ali ćemo ikako saznati kada vidimo te vaše izvore. ;) --Prevalis (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Pozdrav prevalis. Imaš 2 izvora i većina ti se može naći u mojoj raspravi s Lazom . Međutim s obzirom na dužinu, dvje stvari su najbitnije:

• Podopćinske granice prikazane na slici nisu granice naselja. Ovdje se nalazi prilično dobra karta (bar tako mislim) položaja i granica naselja , a Pax-ova karta ima iste granice kao i na . Pogledaj onaj mali dio špic općine Derventa na istoku. Gornji Višnjik. Drugačije. Korisnik Laz tvrdi da je to zato jer su to granice katastarskih jedinica a ne naselja
• Podaci koje je korisnik Laz17 koristio za prikaz toga se razlikuju od popisa stanovništva 1991, što možeš vidjeti na pod podnaslovom valid data. Imaš i neke podatke za kupres pod podnaslovom Kupres data request gdje vidiš razliku barem na području jedne općine (Laz je pustio još par općina, ali te rasprave su poslije izbrisane).

A glavni razlog ti je što su karte vjerojatno pokupljenje s www.rastko.org što su POV stranice (velikosrpske). Uglavnom, Pax ih je vjerojatno odtuda pokupio i zatim prefarbao. S obzirom da nije imao valjan copywrite, niti izvore karte su sada izbrisane.

U svakom slučaju, dodatna objašnjenja ne škode. Pozdrav,

--Čeha (razgovor) 07:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Ceha, da ti nesto priopcim... podatci sa http://hr.wikipedia.org/Kategorija:Popis_stanovni%C5%A1tva_u_Bosni_i_Hercegovini_1991. su takreci isti ko sam mojim podatcima. Mozda se razlikuje broj stanovnika za nekoliko ljudi, ali je procenat isti. Dakle nije bitno koji se podatci koriste. Problem je da ti koristis podatke sa http://www.fzs.ba/Podaci/nacion%20po%20mjesnim.pdf sta je totalno sranje. Ko sto vidimo, taj tvoj PDF file je sranje, zato sto neprikazuje sva naselja. Najbolji primer je glamoc. Naravno da nikad necu da priznam taj glupi pdf file. Ali priznajem taj sa hrvatke vikipedije, jer su ISTI procenti kao i moji podatci, sa sve te jedinice.

Te karte nisu iz rastko organizacije. Te karte su sa univerziteta beograda, i rastko ih samo prikazuje. Nije rastko previo te karte. karte neodgovaraju cehi jer se surprostavljaju sa njegovom ustaskom propagandom koja zeli da prikaze da ima sto vise hrvata po herceg bosni, centralnoj bosni, i posavini. Ceha pljuje na svim mapama, dal su sa univerziteta beograda, sa magazina national geographic, ili sa drugih izvora. Otvoreno je rekao da nece da stavlja mala srpska naselja na mape, ali u privremeno ima mala hrvatska naselja. Uzas je od coveka, treba bit izbrisan sa wikipedije ako se ja pitam. Plus, zove me slep jer je on slep - mozes na diskusiji videti da mu lepo priopcim mape od kljuca i od sanskog mosta... covek nevidi gde su njegovi podatci pogresni... ko da jede pa moram da mu sazvacem, da mu sve objasnim da svati to sto se jasno vidi ali on zaboga nevidi. On je nacionalista koji je protiv znanja, nego je za propagandu velike hrvatske. (LAz17 (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)).

Ok, Laz za ove optužbe si prijavljen na ANI-ju. Mislim da sam pokazao i previše strpljenja oko nekih pitanja.

I nemoj lagati. Rekao sam da karte ne prikazuju enklave manje od 150 stanovnika. To što si ti ugrožen (i uskoro blokiran) to je tvoj problem. U općini Glamoč uopće nema hrvatskih naselja.

A da si malo pročitao pravila wikipedije shvatio bi što su službeni izvori, što je provjera podataka i što može proći kao valjani podatak. Ono što si ti meni slao nema nikakve reference, ne može se nikako provjeriti i može sasvim lagano biti izmišljeno. Nakon što te odblokiraju, potrudi se proučiti pravila, da se incidenti ne bi ponavljali.

Što se tiče podataka, ponoviti ću ti još jednom, i to blago jer mogu vidjeti da imaš problema sa shvaćanjem. Taj pdf file po kojemu cijelo vrijeme pljuješ je službeni podatak. Prilikom izrade karte su korišteni podaci po naseljima iz knjige bilten 234, što lagano možeš provjeriti po nacionalnim wikipedijama s prostora bivše jugoslavije.

U budućnosti, nadam se da ćeš se malo civilizirati te da se nećeš ponašati ko 13o godišnje djete.

--Čeha (razgovor) 22:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Koga to zajebavas? Kakvo Glamoc? pricamo o grahovu! Imas hrvatska mesta tamo, mesta koja imaju 2 stanovnika i oko 100 stanovnika. To mozes, a ispod su 150, a srpska u tomislavgradu nemozes zato sto su srbi. Pokazujes direktnu nacionalisticku mrznju jer diskriminises protiv srba. (LAz17 (talk) 00:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)).

Bre providan si sa tvojim stvarima... evevi gde su neki drugi podatci, jer je ociledno da nisu pobrisali ono sranje gde si branio tvoje dve lazne mape - http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bosnia_and_Herzegovina/Image_discussion_Bih_1991.jpg (LAz17 (talk) 04:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)).

This is english wiki and we all need to write using english language.

For all users interested in discussion about Bosnian maps you can enter discussion on User:Rjecina/Bosnian census

Pax we will speak about Podgorica Assembly tomorow. From time to time I have really enyoyed our discussions :)--Rjecina (talk) 06:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Data which I talk about is that data from ex-yu wikis. That is the official data from 234 Bilten and census 1991.

Again, Laz, I would like to ask you that you do not lie. You mentioned Glamoč, which can be seen on ani; Discussion is indeed leading nowhere. Ceha has openly said that his map is a simplified map, so he will not take into account small settlements of certain groups. Let me clue you all in to what this means. For example, he justified excluding two serbian regions in the municipality tomislavgrad, because he says they are too small. Yet, he includes two even smaller croat regions in a nearby municipality, glamoc. How can he know what he is doing when he is on purpose excluding serbian areas because of small size, yet not excluding croat ones that are even smaller? That's just mind boggling. It spells of propaganda and POV. (LAz17 (talk) 16:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)).

end of quote.--Čeha (razgovor) 07:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

both start with a G and they sound the same. You could have easily figured out what I was talking about. (LAz17 (talk) 19:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)).

I'm not a mind reader. Lern to express yourself. And no, GLAMOC and GRAHOVO do not sound similar.--Čeha (razgovor) 09:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I have created new section on Podgorica assembly talk page.--Rjecina (talk) 18:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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No problem, mate. It's ridiculous that these Croats would be this anti-Serbian, especially towards you, a respected Wikipedian, but hey, they are propagandists just like the Serbs, but no matter, it will and will always be an endless war. I will look deeper into this situation, as requested by Ceha and Rjecina. --Prevalis (talk) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

About Nikola Radonjic, I haven't really written any Historical article after you left but I'll give it a shot. I want to get more active on Misplaced Pages, now that we all have some backup :D. I have a lot of articles in mind, and will be writing up a bulk of them by the end of December, hopefully. --Prevalis (talk) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I have some text about him in the Historical Lexicon of Montenegro, but if you'd like, you may e-mail me the book. Holmia, with proper references, can be created even if it doesn't exactly pertain to Misplaced Pages guidelines, as it was significant in the Vasojevic clan history, unless you suggest we add Holmia as a section within the Vasojevici (or Nikola Radonjic) article. However, in the Lexicon, his name is given as Nikola Milošević Vasojević, son of Prince Staniša Mihaila Milošević Vasojević. If you say otherwise, then so be it, you'd know better. But I'd suggest the article be named Nikola, Knez of Vasojevici, Nikola, Prince of Vasojevici or Nikola Vasojevic. You decide, because I, at this point, am undecided. --Prevalis (talk) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I forgot to mention, a certain Montenegrin Wikipedian known as Sideshow Bob, has returned to Misplaced Pages, as had CrnaGora (but he remains largely inactive :S). --Prevalis (talk) 11:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back, mate. How was your trip? --Prevalis (talk) 04:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Anyways, I wrote up the text to the Nikola Vasojević article, but I was waiting on you for your sources, because my source is, well, the only one I can find :S. You may e-mail me via the E-mail User function as I have registered my e-mail on Misplaced Pages ;). --Prevalis (talk) 04:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Name of Montenegro

I nominated article about Montenegro on Serbian Misplaced Pages for featured article, but I'm not sure from where name Montenegro came from. Various states that it came from edict to Vranjina monastery, but who gave the edict and when? Uroš in 1276 or Milutin in 1296? And do you have something about Venetian, Dubrovnik and Kotor sources for names Cerna Gora, Montagna Negra, Montenegro and Monte Negro? -- Bojan  21:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Why? Well, there is a faction among Serbian Wikipedians who calls for overciting. But now they are minor problem. What it is your opinion about article Montenegro regarding NPOV? It is clear now that the article wont pass the vote, but I'll renominate it later. -- Bojan  15:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Mhhm, sources for what? I think that more important is what' is referenced rahter than how many references are in a article. Anyway, I'll expand article for the next nomination. -- Bojan  08:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I missed, sorry. I added into the article parts about Montenegrin cousine, generating electricity in the country (from Italian Misplaced Pages), climate and list of the biggest towns of Montenegro per last census. -- Bojan  20:30, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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Zašto si uklonio moju mapu iz članka o Ugrinu Čaku sa objašnjenjem da je sporna? šta smatraš spornim na mapi? (odgovori mi ovde, molim te) PANONIAN 13:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Translation:

Why have you removed my map from the article on Ugrin Csak with the definition that it is questionable? What do you consider questionable on the map (please respond to me in here).

That was a long time ago, I don't really remeber. If I recall, the borders were far too OR to be acceptable to the wikipedia. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 10:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I do not understand what you want to say (šta znači "the borders were far too OR"?). Can I improve or change this map in some way to be OK for you? Please tell me what I should change there? OK? PANONIAN 20:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Bribery?!

I belive that the structures of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, namely its Ministry of Faiths bribed the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople to give up its jurisdiction over the Orthodox Faith in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

See http://www.istocnik.com/articles/38/dijaspora.html

Stop reverting the information in the article about the House of Kosača, we must report information to the respect of that time and age and not some modern re-interpretation. Please stop inserting false information.

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Bribery?!

I belive that the structures of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, namely its Ministry of Faiths bribed the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople to give up its jurisdiction over the Orthodox Faith in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

See http://www.istocnik.com/articles/38/dijaspora.html

Stop reverting the information in the article about the House of Kosača, we must report information to the respect of that time and age and not some modern re-interpretation. Please stop inserting false information.

It is most clear what has been done. Masking the word Orthodox with the wikilink to Serbian Orthodox Church.

Imbris (talk) 19:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm your Socket puppet!

I am being accused by User:Rjecina that I am your socket puppet. Please, could you tell him that I am not? I have a report on him right now. See my talk page. Thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizso (talk • contribs) 02:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well yes, I am being accused of being sock puppets of various people, including you, by Rjecina and his friends on and off. --Bizso (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Is Jovan Erdeljanović source for Значење имена лежи у словенском топониму за велике и густе горе или мрке шумовите предјеле.? Please, check when Ottomans seized Podgorica, in 1474 or in 1478 (when Žabljak Crnojevića fall). And I don't understand: The municipality of Podgorica consists of Podgorica City Proper and two subdivisions called Urban municipalities (Градске општине, Gradske opštine), Golubovci and Tuzi. What is City Proper in Serbian? If this means Uže gradsko jezgro, then there is no suburban places beyond City Proper and two urban municipalities? This is so confusing for me. -- Bojan  10:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hey friend. Looking through the discussion page on Skanderbeg, I can see that you tried to put the possibility that his mother was Serbian on the page but for no apparent reason was denied. I am trying to do the same and even after providing 4 published sources, I continue to be denied. I was wondering if you had any additional sources I could use to prove my case? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serbia123 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXVI, August 2011

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The Bugle: Issue LXIX, November 2011

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March Madness 2017

G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:

• tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
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2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting

As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians

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"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Misplaced Pages. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Misplaced Pages Military Historians.

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The so called "Pannonian Croatia"

Dear, i'm not a wikipedia user but just an amateur historian with a degree in Greek history. I have noticed, however, on this encyclopedia the article Duchy of Pannonian Croatia. The title is already an offense to the historiography as a science: it is known that no source mentions the Lower Pannonian duchy with this name. It is also known that there is no evidence even regarding some croatian political and / or cultural hegemony on this region in the ninth century. All sources in all languages ​​until at least the beginning of the seventeenth century speak of a region "of the Slavs" (Sclavonia, Windisch Land, Tótország, "Szlouenska zemla"), often in contrast to the neighboring Croatian duchy / kingdom / region.

The article even states (based on what evidence?) that the common language of the duchy was a not otherwise known "Old Croatian". Unbelievable! In the introduction there is the admission that the term "Duchy of Pannonian Croatia" is used only in Croatian historiography, but then the article proceeds regardless of this premise. The map accompanying the article is the work of a Hungarian historian of the 19th century, is old and obsolete, the boundaries do not correspond to those of the Duchy in the ninth century ... but, above all, no "Pannonian Croatia" is mentioned but only a domain of "Braslav, vassal of the Franks".

I noticed that you are an influential user, a wiki.expert on the history of the Slavic countries. Please, for the sake of the Misplaced Pages project, do something to remove this propaganda article, taken directly from nineteenth-century romantic historiography. The year 1848 has long passed. Otherwise, in a while, wikipedia will be literally invaded by articles like "Duchy of Slovenian Carantania", "Slovak Empire of Great Moravia", "Ukrainian Principality of Kiev".

There is already a good article on this topic: Lower Pannonia (9th century), please remove this duchy of Pannonian Croatia from the english wikipedia once for all. Obviously a similar move will be inconceivable for the wikipedia in Croatian language, but this is not your problem. Best regards79.50.235.155 (talk) 21:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive

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