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| Ilena, I warned you before about using Misplaced Pages as a platform for your personal campaigns. I see you today created an attack page devoted to outing another editor you're in dispute with in real life, assuming your identification is accurate. I've therefore blocked this account indefinitely. I don't know what the status of your ArbCom case is, and whether you still need to post there. If you do, let me know, and if you think this block is unfair, you're welcome either to post here about it, so long as you don't name people, or e-mail me. Either way, I would need an assurance from you that you'll stop editing in this area and will stop behaving in a way that appears to constitute harassment of other editors. Cheers, ] ] 01:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I indeed '''strongly object''' to your block. I believe that evidence will indeed show that it is I being harassed by ... Ronz and Fyslee, collaborating together. Blocking me during this Arb is clearly unfair and unjust. The fact that ... has put up a vanity commercial website for himself and another for his wife is definitely relevant to facts about this Arbitration, very accurately called Barrett Vs Rosenthal. <b>]</b> ] 01:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :::I will look at the state of the case to see whether you still need to post there. Please understand this one point: this is an encyclopedia. It's not a website for you to wage war on regarding events in your personal life. ] ] 01:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::Alan, by all means show me diffs of behavior you feel warrants admin attention, but regardless of whether Ilena was responding to provocation elsewhere or not, her own behavior has been unacceptable for some time. That she created an attack page on another editor even as the ArbCom was voting to ban her for similar behavior doesn't exactly inspire confidence. ] ] 02:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::I might suggest reverting the article to last weekend and cleaning up from there. What is legitimate descriptive may need careful, superior editing, also see my to SV.--] 03:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the ] if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to ], are considered ]. If you continue in this manner you may be '''blocked from editing without further warning'''. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. <!-- Template:blatantvandal-n --> -- ] 19:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I assume this is the deletion in question . In response to Ilena and Alan, if a user's conduct is clearly unacceptable (I am not making any judgement in this case as I have not seen the evidence) then they can still be blocked even with an ongoing ArbCom against them. It has nothing to do with justice or fairness, it has everything to do with protecting the content and integrity of our Misplaced Pages. Again I stress that just because you (and others) think that you are being ''harassed'' does not give you the right or justification to be uncivil, aggressive or even attack back. Cheers ] 12:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::'''Please stop.''' If you continue to violate Misplaced Pages's ] by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Furthermore, reinserting the same commentary multiple times may cause you to violate the ], which can lead to a block. <!-- Template:Comment3 (third level warning) --> -- ] 20:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Ilena appears to be correct about harassment by Ronz and Fyslee. And for the record, SlimVirgin, let there be no mistake: this IS a website on which many parties -- not least Ilena's detractors -- ''are'' waging war: continuous, relentless, vicious war. You might like to think it is just a cool-headed, facts-only encyclopedia, but the reality behind many articles (and generally behind the scenes) is quite otherwise. Before you jump on Ilena's case you need, and need badly, to investigate the totality of the situation and its context. Much of what she says is merely a ''reaction'' to provocations from elsewhere, and in those cases the problem is with the provacateurs, not her. In other words: ''get your act together'', gal! Cheers! -- ] 02:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Stop using Misplaced Pages for personal attacks == | |||
| <small> Cross-posted from User talk:SlimVirgin </small> | |||
| It is a well-known fact that you hate certain people. Take it elsewhere, like Usenet. Misplaced Pages is not a place to carry on your attacks. -- ] 22:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Just popping in to fully support this indefblock. "Outing" is indefblockable, regardless of whatever else was going on - and face it, there was a lot else going on. Ilena has shown no interest in learning about Wikipeida at all - her whole attitude has been "I am here on a mission and anyone who tries to get me to be polite or follow policy is the ENEMY and I will insult and be nasty to them!!!" IMO there has always been almost zero chance she would become a positive contributor, and now she has simplified things for us by yet again ignoring a rule she was warned about - basically pissing in our faces. I'm all done with trying to help her. She doesn't want to be helped. She wants to crusade. One puppy's opinion. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| The above-entitled arbitration case has been closed and the final decision published at the above link. {{user|Ilena}} is banned from editing Misplaced Pages for one year and is banned from editing articles and talk pages related to alternative medicine, except talk pages related to breat implants. {{user|Fyslee}} is cautioned to use reliable sources and to edit from a neutral point of view. He is reminded that editors with a known partisan point of view should be careful to seek consensus on the talk page of articles to avoid the appearance of a COI if other editors question their edits. For the arbitration committee, ] 12:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| : Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages{{{{{subst|}}}#if:Stephen Barrett|, as you did in ]}}. It is considered ], and ] a vehicle for advertising. Thanks. <!-- Template:Spam2 --> --] 02:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I have started three separate proposals to merge these three articles. The discussion for each amalgamation of the merge . I would appreciate you taking the time to give your thoughts for each proposal. Thanks. ] 06:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Even if you're not banned from the article, you're in danger of violating ]. Stop immediately. — ] | ] 15:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Stephen Barrett's propensity to change history will not be tolerated.' | |||
| : I have added pertinent and relevant information, with appropriate links. | |||
| : What the EFF says is FAR more relevant than one of Barrett's publicists. | |||
| : Every word I wrote is accurate. | |||
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| You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the ]. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.</div><!-- Template:3RR5 --> — ] | ] 16:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :: It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. ] and ] only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|, as you did on ],}} can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain ] with your comments. Thanks! <!-- from Template:Civil1 --> --] 00:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Please stop. If you continue ]{{{{{subst|}}}#if:Barrett v. Rosenthal|, as you did in ],}} you will be ] from editing.<!-- Template:Spam3 --> --] 20:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] This is your '''last warning'''. The next time you insert a ] link, {{{{{subst|}}}#if:Barrett v. Rosenthal|as you did to ],}} you ''will'' be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Persistent spammers may have their websites ] from Misplaced Pages. <!-- Template:Spam4 --> --] 19:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}| as you did at ]}}, you will be ] for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. <!-- Template:Npa3 --> --] 20:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == The National Council Against Health Fraud == | |||
| Please stop. If you continue to violate Misplaced Pages's ] by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, {{{{{subst|}}}#if:The National Council Against Health Fraud|as you did to ],}} you will be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. <!-- Template:Comment3 (third level warning) --> --] 02:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I find an enormous amount of bias here for Barrett. It is NOT my point of view that NCAHF was suspended by the State of California, nor is it my point of view that NO ONE has shown any proof whatsoever that is a legal corporation capable of accepting donations that it solicits in Massachusetts. | |||
| : When I first began reading here a few days ago, the FACTS regarding Barrett's case against me were absolutely falsely stated from their desired point of view. | |||
| : I do not understand why you continue to protect the fact that NCAHF was suspended. | |||
| : ] 16:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Ilena, just what do you think the suspension means? You keep including it as if you think it was something that passes Misplaced Pages's notability and trivia guidelines. (BTW, notice the sig is always placed at the end of the comment, not at the beginning. Just four tildes, nothing more, and nothing less.) -- ] 23:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Ilena, it seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}| on ]}}. Please remain ] and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigating ]. <!-- from Template:Civil2 --> --] 01:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] This is your '''last warning'''. <br />The next time you violate Misplaced Pages's ] rule by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, {{{{{subst|}}}#if:The National Council Against Health Fraud|as you did to ],}} you ''will'' be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.<!-- Template:Comment4 --> --] 19:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}| as you did at ]}}, you will be ] for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. <!-- Template:Npa3 --> --] 19:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| *Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles{{{{{subst|}}}#if:National Council Against Health Fraud|, as you did to ]}}. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's ] policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the ]. Thank you. <!-- Template:Comment2 (second level warning) --> ] 23:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please do not make personal attacks on other people, as you did at ]. Misplaced Pages has a policy against ]. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be ] from editing by admins or ] by the ]. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please ] appropriately. Thank you. <!-- Template:Npa3-n --> --] 00:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :]This is your '''last warning'''. If you continue to make personal attacks, {{{{{subst|}}}#if:Talk:The National Council Against Health Fraud|as you did at ],}} you ''will'' be ] for disruption.<!-- Template:Npa4 --> --] 01:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Stephen Barrett == | |||
| ] Ilena: It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner{{{{{subst|}}}#if:Talk:Stephen Barrett| on ]}}. Please remain ] and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigating ]. <!-- from Template:Civil2 --> --] 15:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: This is absurd. You advertise the loser, Barrett's website and remove pertinent websites around my winning side of this case. | |||
| :: Is there no one at Misplaced Pages to be encyclopedic and not make Misplaced Pages another Barrett bullied front group? | |||
| :: How can Ronz remove my sites and add Barrett's and call this "unbiased." ] | |||
| ::: When will you ever try to be taken seriously here? Until you start learning and practicing the way things are done here, you're not going to get much sympathy or cooperation. Formatting your entries properly would be a good place to start. Do like others. Indent properly, sign properly. Signature goes at the end, with the time stamp. Just use four tildes, no more, no less, and don't violate the rules here by spamming each entry with your website, and stop attacking other editors. If you start behaving, even I will cooperate with you! I'll leave a standard welcoming message at the top. It has some good pointers. -- ] 21:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| {{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|With regards to your comments on ]: }}Please see Misplaced Pages's ] policy. Comment on ''content'', not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to ] for disruption. Please ] and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. <!-- Template:No personal attacks (npa2) --> --] 05:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == ] again == | |||
| Please read ]. Your posts about me on your web site may be considered a negative factor in decisions as to whether your violations of ], ], and ] are serious enough to warrant blocks or bans. (I should point out that, if ''I'' were making such decisions, I'd keep your unfamiliarity with Misplaced Pages under advisement, even if that unfamiliarity is somewhat willfull. — ] | ] 14:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| We need to be little more gracious and helpful with new editors who are struggling with "obvious truth" & Misplaced Pages policies.--] 11:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == taking advantage of == | |||
| I've put in a restoration. Ilena, you might consider slowing your edits down a little, spend some time on the Wiki policy links they keep spitting out, so more experienced adversaries can't "set you up" for rules violations (and blocks), a favorite being the 3RR (reverts rule). It may seem twisty, as to to the difference between lots of edits and a reversion but very important in the middle of a catfight when several gang up on you. Besides, slower but persistent with a hard reference (extra time used) is probably more aggravating to any hotter heads...--] 11:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I apologize for not explaining myself better. I would like to add that '''truth''' is irrelevant to Misplaced Pages; '''verifiability''' is the primary requirement. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that NCAHF ''not'' being registered in MA is verifiable; all we can be sure is that they're not registered as a MA corporation; that database doesn't seem to have foreign corporations registered to do business in MA. — ] | ] 15:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you I'clast. | |||
| It is definitely verifiable that NCAHF is NOT registered in Massachusetts. The Secretary of State's office has reiterated that all legal corporate entities are listed in their database. Any legal corporate in any state can prove their legality in a heartbeat. | |||
| ] 15:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Ilena Rosenthal | |||
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Ilena, I warned you before about using Misplaced Pages as a platform for your personal campaigns. I see you today created an attack page devoted to outing another editor you're in dispute with in real life, assuming your identification is accurate. I've therefore blocked this account indefinitely. I don't know what the status of your ArbCom case is, and whether you still need to post there. If you do, let me know, and if you think this block is unfair, you're welcome either to post here about it, so long as you don't name people, or e-mail me. Either way, I would need an assurance from you that you'll stop editing in this area and will stop behaving in a way that appears to constitute harassment of other editors. Cheers, SlimVirgin 01:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I indeed strongly object to your block. I believe that evidence will indeed show that it is I being harassed by ... Ronz and Fyslee, collaborating together. Blocking me during this Arb is clearly unfair and unjust. The fact that ... has put up a vanity commercial website for himself and another for his wife is definitely relevant to facts about this Arbitration, very accurately called Barrett Vs Rosenthal. Ilena (chat) 01:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I will look at the state of the case to see whether you still need to post there. Please understand this one point: this is an encyclopedia. It's not a website for you to wage war on regarding events in your personal life. SlimVirgin 01:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Alan, by all means show me diffs of behavior you feel warrants admin attention, but regardless of whether Ilena was responding to provocation elsewhere or not, her own behavior has been unacceptable for some time. That she created an attack page on another editor even as the ArbCom was voting to ban her for similar behavior doesn't exactly inspire confidence. SlimVirgin 02:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I might suggest reverting the article to last weekend and cleaning up from there. What is legitimate descriptive may need careful, superior editing, also see my request to SV.--I'clast 03:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I assume this is the deletion in question . In response to Ilena and Alan, if a user's conduct is clearly unacceptable (I am not making any judgement in this case as I have not seen the evidence) then they can still be blocked even with an ongoing ArbCom against them. It has nothing to do with justice or fairness, it has everything to do with protecting the content and integrity of our Misplaced Pages. Again I stress that just because you (and others) think that you are being harassed does not give you the right or justification to be uncivil, aggressive or even attack back. Cheers Lethaniol 12:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ilena appears to be correct about harassment by Ronz and Fyslee. And for the record, SlimVirgin, let there be no mistake: this IS a website on which many parties -- not least Ilena's detractors -- are waging war: continuous, relentless, vicious war. You might like to think it is just a cool-headed, facts-only encyclopedia, but the reality behind many articles (and generally behind the scenes) is quite otherwise. Before you jump on Ilena's case you need, and need badly, to investigate the totality of the situation and its context. Much of what she says is merely a reaction to provocations from elsewhere, and in those cases the problem is with the provacateurs, not her. In other words: get your act together, gal! Cheers! -- Alan2012 02:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Cross-posted from User talk:SlimVirgin
- Just popping in to fully support this indefblock. "Outing" is indefblockable, regardless of whatever else was going on - and face it, there was a lot else going on. Ilena has shown no interest in learning about Wikipeida at all - her whole attitude has been "I am here on a mission and anyone who tries to get me to be polite or follow policy is the ENEMY and I will insult and be nasty to them!!!" IMO there has always been almost zero chance she would become a positive contributor, and now she has simplified things for us by yet again ignoring a rule she was warned about - basically pissing in our faces. I'm all done with trying to help her. She doesn't want to be helped. She wants to crusade. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua 17:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal
The above-entitled arbitration case has been closed and the final decision published at the above link. Ilena (talk · contribs) is banned from editing Misplaced Pages for one year and is banned from editing articles and talk pages related to alternative medicine, except talk pages related to breat implants. Fyslee (talk · contribs) is cautioned to use reliable sources and to edit from a neutral point of view. He is reminded that editors with a known partisan point of view should be careful to seek consensus on the talk page of articles to avoid the appearance of a COI if other editors question their edits. For the arbitration committee, Thatcher131 12:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)