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| I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, ], or ]. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, ] (]) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Dividing ] into two or three articles == | |||
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| Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the ], but in short, the name ] throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.] (]) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| A user, ] has lately been behaving very uncivil, randomly forcing Jewish identities on several Polish figures (including Adam Mickiewicz among others), and calling people who oppose his citation-less and controversial edits "anti-Semitists." He has then recently added pratically every American politician with a Jewish ancestor to the list. The page is now semi-protected, so I have no power without going ahead and making a username, but that would just be ] on my part and I have too much of an ego to have go through that. Can somebody please get rid of these ridiculous entries? ] 23:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Renaming the ] to Democratic Party (Poland) == | |||
| == white or grey == | |||
| Hi, I belive that the ] should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? ] (]) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Copied from ] per 'no response'. | |||
| == Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate? == | |||
| Polish flag is white-red not grey-red. Look here for example KRID | |||
| :Well, not so clear, see Flag of Poland for more details. The question is - should we stick to the law or to the common usage, the president webside included? My preference is for the latter (i.e. "white"). That's less surprising. However, the Flag of Poland article, which discusses the matter in details, should present the correct ("grey") color (or both). Comments? --Beaumont (@) 09:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Indeed, I find "grey" somehow surprising. Have you seen it anywhere? Nothing is explained. AFAIK, the surprise is not recommended, yet the color is justified by the law. If you express your preference to follow the above proposition I'll do it. Any other suggestions?--] ] 19:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) ] (]) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| See, unfortunately, we are not free to invent reality at Misplaced Pages, but instead have the duty to report it. When the Polish flag was legally defined in 1980, likely no one thought about how it should be displayed on a shining computer screen. Consequently, the law as it exists today, specifies a shade of white which, according to thoughtful people who have been discussing this matter on the Polish Misplaced Pages talk page ] and updating the article ] (and the English interwiki equivalent at ]) have reasonably arived at a calculation for the white of the flag, which, on a bright, luminescent computer screen -- which after all, is a source of light, and not a reflecting surface like an actual flag in real life -- '''does appear a bit gray'''. But that's only so because of contrast: If you viewed the page, instead, on a black/dark background, you would not have the sensation of seeing gray. It would look white. | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| As we know from comparing sheets of white paper, some white is whiter than other. Polish law, for better or worse, has carefully described the whiteness of the white of the flag, and this legal whiteness has in turn been calculated recently for display on the computer screen by Polish Wikipedians. If, in the future, Polish law says something else about the display of the flag on computer screens, then we will of course update the depiction of the flag once again. For now, however, I ask, what is more factual? Simplistically assuming the whitest white of the computer screen -- a lightbulb, really -- or present the shade of white (and the shade of crimson stipulated by the same law) faithfully, according to the letter of the law? I invite thouse who can, to follow the discussion on the Polish Misplaced Pages, where it has been going on for quite a while. There is no need to campaign for the pure white of the flag under every article that makes use of the flag. I suggest that on the English Misplaced Pages, the correct place for the English-language discussion is at ]. The matter has also been raised at the ], since the repeated mutual reverts of the uploaded newly computed flag versions have led to the freezing the old flag versions as protected files, for now. But I suggest that the center of the sustained discussion and offered expertise is on the Polish Misplaced Pages talk page for ], not on ] or ], or even here. Let's keep the conversation focused and factual, as opposed to wage a campaign of agitation for one point of view or another wherever possible, repeating the same thing over and over, or as ] has admitted doing, replacing the link to the flag on other wikipedias' "Poland" article with a Polish-language message of protest... That's vandalism, surely, not a way to build consensus. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran ] 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :thanks! --] ] 12:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::-''From a colorimetric point of view'': " have reasonably arived at a calculation for the white of the flag, which, on a bright, luminescent computer screen -- which after all, is a source of light, and not a reflecting surface like an actual flag in real life". This means that the people you are referring to translated from a light-absorbing surface colorplane to a light-emitting one. This means that they did the translation ''knowing'' the result wuould be, by a perceptive point-of-view, ''wrong''. | |||
| ::-''From a perception point of view'': "If you viewed the page, instead, on a black/dark background, you would not have the sensation of seeing gray. It would look white." Wrong, have a look yourself: | |||
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| ::-''From a common sense point of view'': If the flag is expected to be white, while it appears grey (and even on a black background it would never be white), then somebody, even in good faith, made a mistake, and should admit it, instead of keeping on supporting a blatantly wrong version. | |||
| ::-Furthermore, keeping the discussion on ] will cut out everybody who does not know Polish. As the result of the discussion will affect a lot of pages all around Misplaced Pages, an international talkpage should be chosen to settle this matter. | |||
| ::--] 11:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The discussion on plwiki seems to converge to a consensus supporting my first proposition. The rationale is partially coherent with ] stance. The main expert, who actually created the "grey" flag supports it too. To avoid edit wars I refrain from quick changes here, but at the moment there is no strong support for the "grey" version (with one exception of the article where the flag is described in details and the "grey" color explained to the reader). --] ] 11:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Ghirla and M.K. are asking for comments about my behaviour on Misplaced Pages. I am happy to indulge them by posting the link to their request on a page frequented by many editors who have edited with me in the past - although I am fully aware they may use it as yet another example of (quote from their request): "canvassing supporters on the Polish noticeboard" and "calling on a significant group of like-minded, fellow Poles, whom he recruits to his causes (Molobo, Halibutt, Space Cadet, Lysy, Appleseed, Balcer, etc)."--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 18:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: that's the first Request for Comment that apparently the requester wants to keep without comments :) --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 06:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Dear Polish friends, ] was a redirect to ], because it is the only appelation of the duchy used in Western sources prior to 1945. Unsurprizingly, most articles linking to ] actually refer to ]. All the other Sagans were listed on ], linked from ] through ]. Today some guys destroyed the redirect and moved dab page to ], which is now a collection of American surnames. I don't have time to dispute with such military ignorance of our policies and historical usage, but think that some of you may want to check this ] on ]. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 13:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'll note for the record that per ], this sort of an electioneering post is frowned upon. And, just FYI, ] appears to be French, not American. --] 14:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::If asking for an opinion about Polish towns on the Poland-related noticeboard qualifies as "spamming", then you should label ] as "spam". --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :To most Americans, and thus to a large portion of users of Misplaced Pages, the name Sagan is strongly associated with ], while they never heard of Sagan the Duchy. In light of that, having ] as the disambiguation page makes sense. 99.9% of users will want to get to ] when they type Sagan into the search box, and this option saves them a detour through ]. Still, that is just my personal opinion. Both solutions are essentially fine with me. ] 14:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Agreed with Balcer. When I think of Sagan, I think of Carl, too.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 16:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Well, ''I'' do think about Françoise Sagan first, because she's more famous in France than Carl... :) But that's beside the point. Maybe this discussion should be moved to the related talk page? Personally, the current disambig page is more or less OK for me, but maybe other editors will have different opinions? -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't think we should encourage American ignorance, because it's not an American project in the first place. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Please read ], ], and ] before you get in trouble. --] 15:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You found a wrong guy to issue threats to. I am off to investigate how you moved ] to ]. It seems admin tools were seriously abused in performing this move. Best, <font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I indeed discovered that a redirect was deleted in the circumvention of ]. My policy towards admin's abuse is strict. I suppose the illicit move should be overturned and a legitimate move should be requested through ]. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 19:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: There is no trouble because it's not a threat. The similar, yet more popular problem with Georgia (the country and the US state) was subject of quite countless debates, and '''was''' finally turned into a disambig while it pointed, IIRC, to the US state. So the subject is definitely worth looking into. And Ghirla is right in a way, because there is already enough systemic bias on WP, there is no point creating/encouraging more... -- ] <sup>]</sup> 16:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Ghirla and M.K. are asking for comments about my behaviour on Misplaced Pages. I am happy to indulge them by posting the link to their request on a page frequented by many editors who have edited with me in the past - although I am fully aware they may use it as yet another example of (quote from their request): "canvassing supporters on the Polish noticeboard" and "calling on a significant group of like-minded, fellow Poles, whom he recruits to his causes (Molobo, Halibutt, Space Cadet, Lysy, Appleseed, Balcer, etc)."--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 18:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :+: that's the first Request for Comment that apparently the requester wants to keep without comments :) --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 06:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Jan Dzierżon == | |||
| I came across the ] article on the talk pages of other users and attempted to copyedit and clean up the namespace. I also posited some questions and ideas on the talk page, but it seems my edits are frowned upon. I do not anticipate being able to copyedit the article further, so I have removed it from my watchlist. I mention the article here because there has been recent dispute with it, and others might be able to provide their expertise. ] 23:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Miodzio== | |||
| Collection of archival Polish newspapers, online: --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 01:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Horilka == | |||
| Please consider the validity of the article ] which is voted for deletion now. Although I voted '''"delete"''' basing on article content, I am aware that I am not an expert. Also there may be important information in Ukrainian, Polish or Russian langauge I cannot assess. | |||
| I am posting this message on all slavic notice boards, because now the voting is participated mostly by amateurs far from horilka. ] 16:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| was recently deleted; it seems that the main concern was that we cannot use it under fair use because 'it is not important to the article'. See ] and ] of the user who deleted it when I asked him for more explanation. I believe this is a very useful image - what do you think?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I wanted to ask for help. An anon ip has introduced a controversy section at ], and has provided sources for their statements. In checking them, I realized that I'm having a hard time determining if the sites are reliable sources...me not being familiar enough with Polish media. I'd appreciate if a few people could give me a quick read on whether these sites are indeed ] quality or are more blogsnews and such. The controversy section should be viewable in the history prior to my revert with the edit summary about "thanks for the sources..." . | |||
| Thanks very much for any help you can give. ] 21:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :...done. Still, the inserted text needs some cleanup, language neutralizing, copyedit etc. --] ] 18:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Warszawa== | |||
| Is it an accident and lack of oversight that the articles: ], ] and ] use ] refering to the Polish capital instead of ]? It seems to me a violation of ] but I don't care enough to go and edit these articles. So I am just bringing up the issue here for someone to take a look. --] 01:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, this one, or WP:AFD. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Dividing Warszawa Główna railway station into two or three articles
Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the article talk page, but in short, the name Warszawa Główna railway station throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Renaming the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) to Democratic Party (Poland)
Hi, I belive that the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate?
Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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