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== RfC on linking to template namespace ==
{{atop|status=Option B|result='''Prelimary results:''' <u>8/13/7 (7/9.5/4 adjusted for dual votes)</u><br>'''Summary of Option A arguments:''' It's useful!.<br>'''Summary of Option B arguments:''' Templates are for technical behind the scenes editors namespace, so readers shouldn't be looking at them. However, we gotta preserve the data, and they're getting huge!<br> '''Summary of Option C arguments:''' Templates are not articles!<br>'''Summary of Consensus:''' The main consensus here is to move them out of template space and preserve it. This is going towards '''Option B''' since the arguments are combing both ''Option A'' and ''option B''. It'S uSeFuLl, but ThEy'Re NoT aRtIcLeS! Option B has your back everyone. <small>(])</small> &#123;&#123;]&#125;&#125; ] ] 05:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)}}
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The "Data and figures" section of this navbox links either exclusively or almost exclusively to the template namespace. Here are three options:
*'''Option A''': Keep as is and continue to link to template namespace.
*'''Option B''': Expand the linked templates into standalone articles.
*'''Option C''': Remove the linked templates from the navbox.
I look forward to reading your thoughts. 06:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC) ]&nbsp;] 05:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': some of the templates have been already included in standalone articles. For example, ]. Linking to the statistics subsection counts under option B. ]&nbsp;] 23:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


I rewrote this template so it relies on the native Lua module ]. This alone cut the ] of the template in half (previously, this template alone took up over 1/4 of the per-page limit). It also allows the module to be called directly with <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:</nowiki>]<nowiki>|}}</nowiki></code>, which cuts the size in half again (to 1/4 of it's original size). On every page that I checked, this eliminated the need to use the {{para|short|yes}} option (although that's still available for an additional 50% reduction in size). If there are any issues you find with this transition, please let me know. --] (]) 22:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
'''Discussion and !votes'''
*'''Option C or B''' We should not be linking to templates. It is against usual Misplaced Pages practice. Current links to templates can be dropped, replaced with links to article sections, or, where appropriate, the linked templates can be expanded into standalone articles. ] (]) 07:23, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*Before making a decision, it would be good to know '''why''' it is linking to templates. &middot; &middot; &middot; ] ]: 08:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*{{Comment}} +1 to {{u|Pbsouthwood}}, and another question: does the navbox already link to the pages, which transclude these templates? Do these pages have captions and/or prose describing the transcluded content? —⁠] (]) 09:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*:I assume that each template is transcluded into at least one article within the scope of the navbox, but have not checked, and it is technically possible that I may be wrong. In most cases I would expect at least two transclusions, into two articles, otherwise why bother to make it a template. &middot; &middot; &middot; ] ]: 10:30, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*::Here's list of translusion counts:
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/International medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/International medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/WHO situation reports|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/WHO situation reports|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
| '''None'''
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/China medical cases by province|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/China medical cases by province|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/China medical cases chart|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/China medical cases chart|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Iran medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Iran medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
| rowspan="21" | all location-related templates are transcluded once on pages "2020 coronavirus outbreak in X"
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Japan medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Japan medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Japan medical cases chart|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Japan medical cases chart|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Diamond Princess medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Diamond Princess medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/South Korea medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/South Korea medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/South Korea medical cases chart|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/South Korea medical cases chart|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Philippines medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Philippines medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Singapore medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Singapore medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Thailand medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Thailand medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/United Arab Emirates medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/United Arab Emirates medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Europe medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Europe medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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| {{What links here|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/France medical cases|Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/France medical cases|extraparams=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1}}
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::: Most templates have a single transclusion. ] has no transclusions at all. And two templates have more than one transclusion. —⁠] (]) 14:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:::* With the above in mind, my !vote goes to '''Option C'''. ] should be ] as a paragraph in the section ] and deleted per ]. —⁠] (]) 14:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option C or B''' per Bondegezou rationale--] (]) 14:00, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option B''' based on what ] said. ] (]) 16:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*Since there seems to be a suitable article using all except one template, I see no added value to the reader in having an extra link from the navbox to each table. I would be interested to know the rationale for having these tables as templates rather than the more usual practice of simply including them in the text. I can see the point when a table is used in more than one article, but not when it is in only one article.&middot; &middot; &middot; ] ]: 18:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A or B'''. These data are extremely valuable. Most readers don't know or care what a MediaWiki namespace is. If someone wants to turn these into articles in mainspace, that's great, but I think a link to the data should be preserved in any case. ] (]) 01:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*:I have not seen anyone contest that the data are valuable, just the way they are being used is unusual and not covered by any manual of style guidance that I am aware of. As tables in a regular article they are plainly encyclopeic. As naked tables without context the case is not clear.
*:What is the specific usefulness claimed for them as stand-alone tables, beyond their obvious value in articles where they are given context and explained? &middot; &middot; &middot; ] ]: 15:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*:: Now that you mention it, maybe there's no need to link to the templates specifically instead of the articles which transclude them. For example, instead of linking to ], we could just link to ]. I'm fine with doing that. ] (]) 22:56, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A''' the navigation to all the relevant pages is useful to quickly jump around to edit or read. I expect our readers will also appreciate it. So ] is applicable if an rule is an obstacle here. Removing the links does not add to the encyclopedia and would be slightly disruptive. ] (]) 03:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A'''. It is useful, ]. I also cannot find any policies or guidelines that explicitly discourage linking to templates. ]<sup>(])</sup> <span style="font-size: 70%;">Ping when replying</span> 03:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*:Useful in what way? &middot; &middot; &middot; ] ]: 15:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A''' Works well the way it is. We can innovate and do what makes a better encyclopedia. ] (] · ] · ]) 03:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A''' The templates provide useful encyclopedic, sourced information and in this context including them in the navbox seems appropriate. The context in each template is provided by the {{t|main}} headers in the <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> header sections. This context may not make sense for more typical Misplaced Pages navboxes. Obviously, a navbox for functional templates like {{t|t}} or {{t|citation needed}} would not make sense in the main namespace. ] (]) 01:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::We have a guideline on this. It's ]. Shouldn't we do what it says? ] (]) 07:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I do not know if you are all aware that transclusions can be done from main space, in the same way that templates are transcluded from template space. If these tables are so generally useful that they should be used as stand-alone content, why are they not in main space as articles? &middot; &middot; &middot; ] ]: 07:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option B''': While there is nothing wrong with option A, I find option B to be a better choice per <span class="plainlinks userlinks">]</span>. I just think it would be better to avoid linking to other namespaces as much as possible. It might confuse many newcomers who might think of it as a template with example numbers or something. Side note: I am officially no longer an uninvolved editor in this RfC so I will not be the one closing the discussion. I recommend waiting a week before requesting a closure per ] ]&nbsp;] 08:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC).
*'''Option A''' Keep it as is and expand given their usefulness. ] (]) 16:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A or B''' I think they are useful as is and provide valuable information, although I would be fine with expanding them into articles as well, particularly if they become larger. ~ ]] 20:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option B or C'''. We should not be linking to template namespace from mainspace. Navboxes in mainspace are for navigating between ''articles''. If the template is already transcluded to an article, then the material is already navigable. If it isn't, then it should be, otherwise it defeats the purpose of the template namespace. ] (]) 10:31, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option B or C'''. Misplaced Pages often has too much trouble maintaining a firm line between content for readers and maintenance content for editors. My interpretation of ] is that templates are firmly on the maintenance side of that line, and we should not blur it. If the data is useful, find another way to present it. ] (]) 06:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option B'''. It makes it easier to navigate it for most Internet users. Most users of modern Internet are not interested of technicalities and inners of many services. ] (]) 12:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
* '''Option C'''. The relevant guideline here is ] which states that {{tq|Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content}}. Additionally, template pages do not show up in search results by default (most users will not use any "Advanced search" option, nor are navboxes visible on mobile, which is at least 50% of our readers. That means that whoever is creating these templates, are creating it for themselves and a small group of editors, and not for the wider community. Option B is irrelevant here, if the topic is notable for an article, expand, if it isn't add it to an article. If both aren't an option, that means that the template has no reason to exist. --] (]) 06:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
* '''Option B''' The data are very useful and current the CDC does not publish a daily report of cases and deaths by state. Not like other countries. Link to page with the statistics (table of state cases and deaths) from main page would be fine. ] (]) 19:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
* '''Option B''' Seems less confusing for users and allows us to maintain useful data. ] (]) 19:36, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option A/C'''. These templates are used in other articles, if we make standalone articles out of them this gets awkward. We could reduce the number of links here, however. Link to a list of these templates. --] (]) 02:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
* '''Option B'''. Length of the template is getting out of hand. ] (]) 00:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''On the wall''', templates are more for the 'behind the scenes' part of WP, as opposed to general reading. However, I still think that we should have the links there... Perhaps I am biased towards what would be more useful to me, as an editor. <code>'''>>]'''<sup>]</sup></code> 11:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Option B or C''', a lot of the arguments for option A are ]. I think the arguments given for the other options are better. ] ] 22:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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:Hey, @], can you tell me where I need to go to edit this? I have a new article I'd like to add, but this is new to me. Sorry if I'm being dense! ] (]) 16:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
== Misplaced Pages's response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic ==
::@] You would edit it at ], or, if you're not familiar enough with Lua and HTML syntax, you can just submit an edit request here. --] (]) 17:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Oi, jeez...nah, we don't want me messing with that, I'd definitely cause someone work fixing my incompetent efforts. What I wanted to do was add ] into Impact>Social impact. ] (]) 21:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


== Misplaced Pages and the COVID-19 pandemic ==
Should ] be added? ---] <sub>(])</sub> 15:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
:Update: I've added to the Information subsection, alongside media coverage and misinformation entries. ---] <sub>(])</sub> 16:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
::Aren't we all in a conflict of interest writing on our own response to COVID?--] (]) 05:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:::{{u|Pestilence Unchained}}, Well, who else is going to write the entry? If you have specific concerns, please share on the response article's talk page. Thanks! ---] <sub>(])</sub> 15:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


] has been moved to ]. Can someone update the template appropriately? ---] <sub>(])</sub> 18:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
== Shortages is Impact + Socio-Economic? ==


:{{already done}} by {{u|Paintspot}}. --] (]) 20:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't the ] page also be placed under "Impact --> Socio-Economic"? This change does highly impact businesses too, especially supermarkets. ] (] &#124; ]) 09:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
:Or should there be only one instance of ] page as "Shortages", placed only in the "Health issues --> Problems and restrictions" section? ] (] &#124; ]) 09:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

== Asia ==

I propose removing "East", "Central and North", "South", "Southeast", and "West", and just having subheaders for Mainland China, India, and Philippines. The Africa and Europe sections do not have regional subheaders, and splitting Asia into so many section makes finding specific locations more difficult, especially for editors who may not have a strong sense of geography. Thoughts? ---] <sub>(])</sub> 15:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
: Actually, I'd be fine with keeping subheaders for North Asia and South Asia since there are Misplaced Pages articles specific to the regions: ] and ]. I prefer removing the subheaders for regions without articles specific to the pandemic. ---] <sub>(])</sub> 18:49, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Cell width ==

I was thinking consistent cell widths would make the template look cleaner. Does someone know how to make the subheaders for Asia, Europe, and North America the same width?

{{Ping|mfb}} I believe you helped with this before. Do you mind taking another look?

---] <sub>(])</sub> 15:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:. Didn't do it for the separate countries in Asia, but feel free to give them a groupwidth as well if you prefer. --] (]) 00:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Mfb}}, Thanks! ---] <sub>(])</sub> 15:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Rewritten in Lua

I rewrote this template so it relies on the native Lua module Module:COVID-19 pandemic. This alone cut the post-expand include size of the template in half (previously, this template alone took up over 1/4 of the per-page limit). It also allows the module to be called directly with {{#invoke:COVID-19 pandemic|}}, which cuts the size in half again (to 1/4 of it's original size). On every page that I checked, this eliminated the need to use the |short=yes option (although that's still available for an additional 50% reduction in size). If there are any issues you find with this transition, please let me know. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @Ahecht, can you tell me where I need to go to edit this? I have a new article I'd like to add, but this is new to me. Sorry if I'm being dense! Valereee (talk) 16:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
@Valereee You would edit it at Module:COVID-19_pandemic, or, if you're not familiar enough with Lua and HTML syntax, you can just submit an edit request here. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Oi, jeez...nah, we don't want me messing with that, I'd definitely cause someone work fixing my incompetent efforts. What I wanted to do was add Pandemic baking into Impact>Social impact. Valereee (talk) 21:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages and the COVID-19 pandemic

Misplaced Pages coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic has been moved to Misplaced Pages and the COVID-19 pandemic. Can someone update the template appropriately? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

 Already done by Paintspot. --Ahecht (TALK
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