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== Relation to Africans and Australians == |
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== brahmins are not dravidians == |
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there is a line linking a "tamil brahmin madisar" to the clothing of "dravidian women". there are no links to a tamil brahmin, who follow indo aryan culture, to that of the native dravidian people. adopting a sari does not make them "dravidian". genetic studies also disagree. ] (]) 18:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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Uh, Dravidians ARE closely related to Africans and Australians. This is supported by the fact that a migration wave of humans related to modern Australians moving through India: ] |
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:Misplaced Pages is not a place for "ethnic cleansing"; people are generally identified as those speaking a particular language or following a particular culture for generations and identify themselves as belonging to that group; this can even override any genetic analysis. It's just whatever the sources say. ] (]) 04:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::Copied and pasted messages don't work buddy, you need to stop pushing your offensive and dominant ideologies on others' who want nothing to do with you. ] (]) 23:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Sheduled tribes in India == |
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Along with the works of Carleton S. Coon: ] |
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Are all Central Dravidian (Kolami–Parji), North Dravidian (Brahui-Kurukh), Gondi-Kui languages speakers considered as sheduled tribes in India? ] (]) 08:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC) |
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This, which shows heavy genetic admixture from Australoid groups throughout India, more and more prevalent the farther south you go: http://members.tripod.com/%7Etanmoy/bengal/races.html |
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== Add other South Indian kingdoms architecture to dravidian architecture. == |
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Along with http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/pasa.html and http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/bengal.html. |
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Like Vijayanagaras. ] (]) 06:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Yes, I know the last two links are from an afro-centric historian site, but the Australoid/African admixture in India is undeniable. It's different from afrocentric crackpots grabbing at straws over the facial features of Egyptian statues or saying Aristotle stole from Alexandria, or that Beethoven was half-black. This is real and should be included. |
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== Recent changes == |
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::If we can find credible sources then we can create a sub section under '''modern views'' to talk about the Australian link ] |
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{{yo|Fylindfotberserk}}, {{yo|Joshua Jonathan}}, {{yo|Doug Weller}} Can you please review these recent changes: . Thought of restoring ]'s version as on 5 April 2024. Checking with others to be doubly sure. ] (]) 06:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Rasnaboy}} Yeah, I see a lot of unnecessary and ] stuff. It is not a "ethnicity" (supra- or otherwise). It is a collection of ethno-linguistic groups that are tehmselves diverse. You can restore version and start from there if necessary. - ] (]) 11:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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==Organized the article== |
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::Thank you, {{ping|Fylindfotberserk}}. Done. ] (]) 12:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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I took the liberty to organize the article as it was a jumble of too many views sometimes not relating to the subject matter on hand. Please forgive me for any transgressions. I think the article is better now. We still have to do more pruning and adding to make it truly encyclopedic.] |
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:::Glad someone else did it, I'm wiped out. ] ] 15:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The same user now appears to engage in edit warring at ] (, , ) and ] (, , ). I've already reverted their edits twice and warned them on their talk page, but they have vowed to continue with their removal of sourced contents. May require admin intervention. ] (]) 18:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== A small mistake in the article == |
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==Views from Pakistan and Bangladesh== |
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I have read official documentations (such as tourist advertisement in Newsweek by the Government of B'desh) that claims the people of Bangaldesh are Dravidian although they speak Indo-Aryan lanaguage. Pakistani websites claiming that the substratum of all Pakistani languages are Dravidian and thus they are not Aryan but Dravidian. These have to incorporated as part of the '''Political ramifications''' section. |
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There is a small mistake around in the ] where John Marshall the United States founding father is mistaken for John Marshall for the archaeologist. Please replace the link with the statesman with the ]. ] (]) 09:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Racial classification" == |
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:{{Done}} Thanks for pointing that out. - ] (]) 23:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I doubt that the recently added reference ''Khan, Hayat. Differences between Pakistanis and Indians. 2006. August 26, 2006. http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/differences.html'' is of significance. An essay on a GeoCities homepage? Looks like a bad joke. Also, is it intended to be a reference for what classical anthropologists did in the past or a reference for an assumed fact? --] 14:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
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::Agreed, should be removed. Is not credible ] 14:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
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==Dravidians and Vedic culture== |
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This is about the definition of what and who are Dravidian people, if such a concept is exits. About the prevalence of ], it is a different subject matter altogether and I have created a stub and linked it here. Please expand it properly. Thanks ] |
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::Also the external links about Aryan Dravidian controversy belong in the appropriate linked article called Arayna Invasion theory (history and controversy). ] |
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== Removing fair use images == |
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The images that are provided with this article, are not covered by a free license. They have been uploaded on ], which do not allow them to be used on this article. Their use would amount to copyright violation. Thus, I am removing the pictures from the article. Please do not revert back. Thank you.--]<sup>a.k.a.D<font color="green">]</font>epu<font color="white"> </font>Joseph |<font color="green">]</font></sup> 04:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC) |
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I bet you were dinner monitor in school or register collector.... ;) |
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== Merge Proposal == |
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These articles appear to be about the same subject, or close enough for a merge considering the small size of the ] article. Thoughts? ] 19:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:Yes it should be merged. It's the same subject. ] 22:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== Text suggested by ] == |
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(moved from article page by ] <font color = "blue"><sup>]</sup></font> 14:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)) |
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There could be some logic to this. As in the tamil (the oldest dravidian language)tongue, the word for homeland is 'Ur'. Ur was the first city of the world in the Middle East region. Other aspect, perhaps by the sea expeditions of the South Indian Kings, is the remarkable cultural similiarities between the people of East Asia and South Indians. |
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== This page is a joke. There is no such thing as a Dravidian == |
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I cant believe there are still people who think there are people who call themselves Dravidian.....THe term Dravidian is a racist term made up by Euorpeans....In India nooooobody calls themself Dravidian.....I live in America and ive never met one person from south India who says there Dravidian.....I dont know anyone that takes pride in saying there Dravidian......And a big chunk of people dont even know what a Dravidian means!......Dont u people get it by now!....Its 2006!.....The Aryan invasion theory is a joke.....ANd the label of Dravidian is a joke to!.....Brrrrrrrruah Punjab India! ] 22:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Dravidian is a classification for a family of aboriginal ethnic groups throughout the Indian Sub-continent from Pakistan all the way down to Sri Lanka. Just like the term Oriental was used as a clssification of the ethnic groups in China and Japan. You are right that the average South Indian would not say that he or she is a Dravidian, just like a Chinese or a Japanese would not tell you that they are an Oriental. Also, one cannot say that Dravidians are just only in South India. Even though they are densely populated in Southern India and Sri Lanka, they are scattered throughout Central and Norther India too. In the case of Central India and some other parts, there have been intermarriage between both Dravidians and Indo-Aryans. Also, as far as linguistics go, there are Dravidians of Central India and Northern India who speak Indo-Aryan languages, and those whose language is mixed in between Dravidian and Indo-Aryan words. So, to say that Dravidians do not exist, is like saying that Indo-Aryans do not exist. I understand the importance of the unity of India is through diversity. Live and let live. Regards. |
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] 06:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:Off the top of my head, I would estimate that the majority of political parties in Tamil Nadu identify themselves as Dravidian. --] <font color = "blue"><sup>]</sup></font> 21:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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there is a line linking a "tamil brahmin madisar" to the clothing of "dravidian women". there are no links to a tamil brahmin, who follow indo aryan culture, to that of the native dravidian people. adopting a sari does not make them "dravidian". genetic studies also disagree. Temporary 1010 (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Are all Central Dravidian (Kolami–Parji), North Dravidian (Brahui-Kurukh), Gondi-Kui languages speakers considered as sheduled tribes in India? Kaiyr (talk) 08:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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Done Thanks for pointing that out. - Arjayay (talk) 23:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)