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Evidence presented by User:Bill_Huffman

Supreme_Cmdr and WarHawk are Derek Smart Sockpuppets

• I've probably read almost all of Mr. Smart's over 7000 Usenet posts in his Usenet flame war. Mr. Smart has a unique abrasive haughty style of writing that matches these users's writing style. Based on this and the things said, I was convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that these users are Mr. Smart sockpuppets. All additional evidence I believe points in the same direction with the sole exception being the statements of the alleged sockpuppets.
• Supreme_Cmdr, WarHawk, and WarHawkSP are WP:SPA that only edit Derek Smart and related articles.
• On October 11, 2006 Supreme_Cmdr was blocked for 48 hours for edit warring. Apparently because Mr. Smart's Supreme_Cmdr account was blocked, on October 12, 2006 User:WarHawk account was created and within minutes WarHawk picked up in the edit war right where the Supreme_Cmdr account had left off.
• On November 15, 2006 Supreme_Cmdr was blocked for 7 days for edit warring. Apparently because Mr. Smart's Supreme_Cmdr's account was blocked, on November 16, 2006 User:WarHawkSP was created and within minutes he picked up in the edit war where the Supreme_Cmdr account left off .
• Derek Smart uses the handle/alias "Supreme Cmdr" on his own discussion forums.

Derek Smart (Game Developer) same person as Derek Smart (Usenet Poster/Flamer)

There was a flame war on Usenet from 1997 to March 2002. The total posts in the flame war was over 55,000 posts or over 29 posts per day on average. There was a Usenet persona with an email address known as dsmart@pobox.com that was a major participant that posted over 7000 posts or approximately four posts a day on average. I too was a major participant and made about 5800 posts or about three posts per day.

There is a computer game developer named Derek Smart.

I believe that the following evidence shows that Derek Smart and dsmart@pobox.com are one and the same person.

• Dsmart stated in every post that he was in fact Derek Smart. Dsmart used the name “Derek Smart” in his posts. Dsmart had a sig in almost every Usenet post that had the following first three lines (or something close).

Derek Smart Ph.D.

Designer/Lead Developer

www.3000ad.com

• Derek Smart claims that he is dsmart in interviews and on the forums at www.3000ad.com . For example Mr. Smart’s website has a link to an interview of Mr. Smart. Mr. Smart says

I'm just like them, a gamer and I have no airs of superiority other than the authority I wield, as the Supreme Commander of the domain I built. Heck, I even have my own personal stalking detractors -- but they're not gamers, they're just anti-social psychotics, giving gamers a bad name and a bad rap, while doing everything they can in order to bring down the house that dsmart built.

• Another example where Derek Smart claims to be dsmart, he wrote a guest editorial for Looneygames and if you click on his name then you get an email window pre-addressed to dsmart@pobox.com.
• Derek Smart has admitted in interviews that he participates in the Usenet flamewar. For example the above quote, here's another

Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble.

• Dsmart posted the following on July 31, 2000

Below are the pics of the space rock sent to me by Final Frontier mag

a few years back. IIRC, they said it was from Mars. Its a piece of

silver metal. If they had said outer space 'rock', I would've thought

- meteorite.

There you have it, draw your own conclusions.

www.3000ad.com/temp/et_pic1.jpg (200K)

www.3000ad.com/temp/et_pic2.jpg (178K)

www.3000ad.com/temp/et_pic3.jpg (213K)

Derek Smart Ph.D.

Designer/Lead Developer

The Battlecruiser Series

www.3000ad.com

Note that dsmart has linked directly to some images that have been placed on the temp directory of Derek Smart’s business website. Also one of the pictures shows Derek holding the piece of metal that is allegedly from Mars. Here’s a link to the image that shows Derek and was archived away on a different website.

• Derek Smart has to my knowledge never denied that he's the author of the Derek Smart posts on Usenet.

Because a significant portion of Derek Smart's fame and notority was created by his antics online in the flame war, the frequency of participation by Mr. Smart in the flame war, and the consistency of his posts (both frequency and content), I assert that the Google Usenet record can be considered a reliable source for Derek Smart statements in the flame war. I suggest that this can be used to make up part of the "controversy" section of the Derek Smart article. I suggest that ArbCom rule one way or the other to make this clear.

Derek Smart and his WP:SPA's are the Cause of the Derek Smart article Edit War

The Derek Smart article has been recognized on Wiki as a lame edit war of ridiculous duration. see

• Many admins and editors come and go, the WP:SPA's dedicated to the Derek Smart article are an important constant in the edit war.
• Derek Smart's personality is such that he creates flame wars on Usenet and edit wars on Misplaced Pages.
• Supreme_Cmdr's own words, even when he's on his best behavior before the ArbCom, shows that he has little respect for others as well as little respect for Misplaced Pages. Please see Supreme_Cmdr's haughty response when it's mentioned that the article had previously gone through a WP:RfAr. I believe his words demonstrate the reasonableness of both that he's responsible for the Derek Smart article edit war and that his infamy is tied in large part to this very type of abrasive behavior.

Evidence presented by Nuggetboy

WarHawk and WarHawkSP are are the same user

WarHawkSP claims to be a duplicate account.

WarHawk/WarHawkSP has engaged in personal attacks and violations of WP:CIVIL

• "btw, did I read somewhere that you claimed to be a doctor? Doesnt that position hold a level of competency, honor and respect? I have to say that your vehement posts seem to indicate otherwise." -
• "Since you folks do not like dealing in facts" -
• "You might want to actually do the research before editing the article." -
• "...is not going to make your edits or pointless commentary any less irrelevant..." and "Not everyone believes any of the nonsense you people spout. We the sensible ones who can make up our minds and draw our own conclusions dont just lap up anything a bunch of trolls and detractors post."
• "It is quite apparent and clear that you are simply fishing and have literally no meaningful information to contribute to this Wiki."
• "I see you haven't let up from your usual posting of pure nonsense and fabrication.", "But you know it all to be crap and its just your way of attacking Smart even further, regardless of how laughable and how much of a joke you have become around here."
• "Dont you ever quit?"
• "For someone whose edits are meaningless..."
• "a notorious net stalker" (referring to Bill Huffman)
• "But you are clealy a liar."

Supreme Cmdr asserts ownership over the Derek Smart article and intends to continue to revert-war over it.

Supreme Cmdr considers only his own or any edit non-critical of Smart to be NPOV. This represents an attitude of ownership in the article. This user also makes the intent clear that any other editing "will not stand". The user has also gone so far as to express the intent to subvert possible bans:

• "Reverting to versions that are neutral takes all of one minute."
• "If you ban me just because you don't like my edits, I will just come back with an anonymizer"
• "Let me just make this clear. The description of the Werewolves link is not npov. I will never allow it to stand. In fact, I wasn't the one (it was Mikademus) who made that original description to begin with; but I allowed it because it was npov. As soon as this page is unprotected, I will revert it back to his version."

Evidence presented by Ehheh

Supreme Cmdr has engaged in a pattern of personal attacks

A selection of diffs from Supreme Cmdr, mostly from the Derek Smart article's talk page. More such can be provided if they are required.

"you are being irresponsible in your reverts which have no basis in reality."

"injecting your stupid site into every discussion that you can"

"just ignore Kerr and his silly remarks and edits."

"further his agenda of tainting this Wiki with meaningless edits"

"Like all your other notes and useless edits"

"He is notorious in online communities for being a net stalker"

"Only an idiot would believe that a notorious Smart stalker like you who is noted for twisting facts, distorting truths and online harrassment would have anything truthful to say, let alone have factual evidence of anything."

"I don't have time for your bullshit...If you want war, its war I'll give you and we'll just turn your talk page into a battle ground."

"Are you jealous or something? Is it because he is Black (well, he is mixed actually)?"

"You and your ilk, are the problem with this page."

While arbitration is in progress:

"Yeah, it would make sense to you and anyone who can't comprehend written statements"

Evidence presented by Steel359

Article ban on Supreme Cmdr

• The ban received support, being called a good idea
• At the time the ban was imposed, no-objections had been raised on WP:ANI
• Supreme Cmdr made it clear he had no intention to comply with the ban:

Your ban is unwarranted and there is no supporting consensus for it.

You can do whatever you like, there is no consensus for the ban and I will simply not honor it. Here, let me quote from WP:BAN for those of you who think you can just get together and ban someone.
Users are banned as an end result of the dispute resolution process, in response to serious cases of user misconduct.

• Uninvolved user Addhoc (talk · contribs) also objects:

No, when the WP:BAN policy says "community bans must be supported by a strong consensus and should never be enacted based on agreement between a handful of admins or users" that's exactly what it means. This ban isn't legitimate because it was "based on agreement between a handful of admins or users".

• Supreme Cmdr violates the ban and receives a two week block from uninvolved admin Glen S (talk · contribs)
• After the block expired, Supreme Cmdr continued disrupting the talk page

You just-dont-get-it do you?

Please stop waving the WP:Civil flag around. Where do you think we are? A schoolyard?

• No discussion regarding ban violation took place, and no blocks were issued. Supreme Cmdr continues to edit the talk page (the article itself is fully protected at present).

Evidence presented by beaker342

User Supreme Cmdr has a Conflict of Interest

Though there is strong reason to suspect that Supreme Cmdr and Warhawk are both sockpuppets of Smart himself, even if this is not the case, Supreme Cmdr has admitted a personal relationship with Smart and therefore suffers from a conflict of interest.

Early on in the edit wars Supreme Cmdr threatened to email Smart and involve him in the edit war "I have sent Smart an email. Lets just wait until he shows up and see what happens going forward."

A few months later Supreme Cmdr again threatens to involve Smart through email, claiming that because he is in communication with Smart via email, his opinions on the article should carry special weight "I have sent Smart another email about this before the argument starts that since I'm not Smart, my opinions about libelous information on the werewolves.org page does not count."

Supreme Cmdr also claims to have received special permission from Smart to use his handle at Misplaced Pages "btw, I contacted Smart and offered to give him this page since most know him as the Supreme Commander (from his game world) but he has indicated that he has no interest in this debate and that he would create his own Wiki page when he wants."

Just recently Supreme Cmdr writes that Smart knows the true identity of Supreme Cmdr and is in communication with him. Supreme Cmdr attributes the following line to an email he received from Smart "There is another alias called Supreme Cmdr (I know who it is) who isn't me either. He did offer to give me that ID if I wanted it, but I declined." I will note that it is extremely odd that Smart in this communication would inform Supreme Cmdr that he knows who Supreme Cmdr is, since Supreme Cmdr had already claimed to have been in contact with Smart months ago.

Regardless of these glaring inconsistencies, even if Supreme Cmdr is not Smart himself he is admittedly close to Smart and works at his direction. Therefore Supreme Cmdr has a conflict of interest as outlined in WP:COI.

Evidence presented by -- BBlackmoor

No evidence that Supreme Cmdr is Derek Smart

There have been frequent accusations that Supreme Cmdr is Derek Smart, and thus should not be permitted to edit the Derek Smart article. Thus far there has been no evidence provided that Supreme Cmdr and Derek Smart are the same person. There has been coincidence and assumption: nothing more. (If that fact changes, bring it to my attention and I will delete this assertion.)

No evidence that Supreme Cmdr and/or Warhawk/WarhawkSP

There have been frequent accusations that Warhawk/WarhawkSP is a sockpuppet of Supreme Cmdr. Thus far there has been no evidence provided that Supreme Cmdr and Warhawk/WarhawkSP are the same person. There has been coincidence and assumption: nothing more. (If that fact changes, bring it to my attention and I will delete this assertion.)

No evidence that Supreme Cmdr has made legal threats

There have been frequent accusations that Supreme Cmdr has made threats (or legal threats) against other editors or against Misplaced Pages itself. Thus far there has been no evidence provided that Supreme Cmdr has made such threats. (If that fact changes, bring it to my attention and I will delete this assertion.)

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