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			OK, so the judgment is in. You have any suggestions on what I can do? I know the notice says I can appeal, but I'm not sure trying to appeal the sanction immediately after it was handed down is a good idea. ] (]) 02:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
			:{{u\|Mk8mlyb}}, there are many articles on Misplaced Pages which aren't about the Palestine-Israel conflict. Anything from articles about chemistry to history to art. And they all have ways they could be improved. So, find some of those to work on, find some good sources to work from, and start in. My other advice, for you specifically, would be to drop the tone of "Well of course this is what I'm doing, because my way is right and yours is wrong" that you seemed to be taking previously. An approach like that will rarely lead to constructive dialogue; it will just put people's back up. If you can work constructively in other areas for some months, I think you'd find people quite willing to consider lifting the ban after that. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::::Oh, OK. By the way, how do you like my recent editing on ]? ] (]) 05:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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OK, so the judgment is in. You have any suggestions on what I can do? I know the notice says I can appeal, but I'm not sure trying to appeal the sanction immediately after it was handed down is a good idea. Mk8mlyb (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Mk8mlyb, there are many articles on Misplaced Pages which aren't about the Palestine-Israel conflict. Anything from articles about chemistry to history to art. And they all have ways they could be improved. So, find some of those to work on, find some good sources to work from, and start in. My other advice, for you specifically, would be to drop the tone of "Well of course this is what I'm doing, because my way is right and yours is wrong" that you seemed to be taking previously. An approach like that will rarely lead to constructive dialogue; it will just put people's back up. If you can work constructively in other areas for some months, I think you'd find people quite willing to consider lifting the ban after that. Seraphimblade 06:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Understood. For the record, the reason I took the stance I did was because I had heard news of pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas protests celebrating the October 7 attack, many of which turned violent and into attempts to target Jews. I was deeply upset by this, and when I looked at Misplaced Pages's coverage of the conflict, I felt that it was promoting the same narratives that were used to justify the terrorist attack. I still stand by my belief that Misplaced Pages's rules and policies, such as WP:NPOV, are not being properly followed or are being twisted to promote anti-Israel bias and anti-semitic tropes, though I don't think the people involved are antisemitic. You have the right to disagree, but that's just how I feel. I have a few questions, though: can I edit the Israel or the Palestine articles in any way? Or are those off-limits too? Mk8mlyb (talk) 06:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Please remember that while it is not a violation of your ban to request clarification on it, you cannot discuss the subject itself anywhere on Misplaced Pages, including here. You certainly cannot edit the articles about Israel or Palestine. Seraphimblade 07:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, OK. By the way, how do you like my recent editing on this page? Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not the biggest baseball fan myself (I know, I get some trouble for it already), but I know statistics are quite important to many people who follow it, so I'm sure someone will appreciate having the details there! Seraphimblade 10:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you know how long it takes for editors to become administrators, on average? How long did it take you? Mk8mlyb (talk) 06:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

It's not gained by tenure. The community has to approve a request for adminship. It took me about a year and a half, but that was a long time ago. Seraphimblade 11:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

OK, understood. Can I edit the Iran article? Mk8mlyb (talk) 02:30, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Hypothetically you could as long as you are very careful to avoid any material in it regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But it would be very easy to stumble into that, and I don't think that's a wise choice. Seraphimblade 17:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

OK. I have a question to ask. What do you think of Ronald Reagan? I personally think he's one of the greatest presidents ever, but he made some mistakes and I don't see him as a god. So I'll understand if you don't agree. Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, but I'm really not interested in getting into any on-wiki discussions regarding politics. Seraphimblade 04:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

OK. Merry Christmas! I have a question to ask. Do you know anyone on here that is on Tv Tropes? I'd like to talk to them. Mk8mlyb (talk) 06:52, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I've occasionally read something on TV Tropes, but I don't know a thing about it other than that. Seraphimblade 09:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello,

A couple of months ago, you closed the draft with the result "delete." Thank you for handling the closure. However, I noticed that the draft had limited discussion. I believe moving the draft instead of closing it outright might have been a better decision, especially if the AfD concluded without a definitive result.

The limited discussion made it difficult for me to fully understand the core issues, which I believe could be addressed in the future. I would appreciate feedback on the specific reasons that led to the "delete" outcome. If possible, I kindly request restoring the draft and initiating a talk page discussion to facilitate improvement.

AFD link : Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tej Giri

Thank you. Endrabcwizart (talk) 07:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

As the closer of an AfD, I am not making the decision on what I personally think should happen with the article, just evaluating the discussion. So, I have nothing to add to what you would find there. The reason for the "delete" outcome is that this was the consensus the discussion reached. Seraphimblade 08:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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