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| ==Skookum Illahee== | |||
| It's indeed a nice name for ]. Are you aware of any source we could cite to put it in the article? — ] ] 20:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :No one's ever used it; I coined it during my involvement with the Chinook Jargon listserve; I'm one of the few non-academic, non-Native Americans/First Nations, who's bothered to undertake to learn the Jargon, and also who'll try to use it to coin new applications, such as the immortal "maika house naika house?" ("your place or mine?"). Skookum Illahee was one of those, partly because there's been an old grind around BC about getting rid of its "colonial" name - it's that "British" word they don't like, and while we're at it "Columbia" is colonialistic too, although I'm fine with the combination form myself; a name is just a name. Partly, also, though, because "we" (in the listserve/Jargon community) needed a shorthand for the geographic range/turf of the Jargon, instead of BC-OR-WA-ID-MT-AB-YT-AK and sometimes NV, CA, UT and WY. Oh, and as it turns out there are even CJ placenames in Quebec and New Hampshire, no less (see ]), but not to the degree you find in the "core ecumene", the Skookum Illahee proper (roughly coincident with that Cascadia place) and the combination happens to be a handy one. While skookum remains pretty common in t he region, nobody uses illahee anymore (in English), not to mean a country anyway - it generally means a piece of land or a pasture; so it's a bit awkward that way: Skookumland doesn't have the same ring to it, although I'd also liked "The Skookum Country", which as with Skookum Illahee really needs the definite article to sound right. The sense is the same whether it's illahee/country; either the country that ''is'' skookum (in whatever shade of meaning chosen), or the country ''of'' skookum, i.e. where you hear the word (other than those placenames in Quebec, NH and elsewhere). But no, it's not a citable usage, not until I publish a book anyway; there might be a listserve cite you could dig out from the CHINOOK archives on linguistlist.org, though] 00:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Pacific Northwest and Cascadia== | |||
| I'm writing to you as one of the people who contributed to ]. I hope I could contribute to ] and I would appreciate if you could participate in the new effort of ]. — ] ] 22:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Liberty Bell to Liberty bell== | |||
| : Hello again! Could you please take a look at the section ] I agree with you that defining the area by political boundaries does not do it justice, but without a clearly sourced map, many people will automatically refer to state and province borders to make their point. — ] ] 20:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Good one (but you may have given some editors an idea...). Anyway, speaking of the Bell, want to see something cool? Awhile ago I added a template or three to the page 'United States Declaration of Independence' and, completely by accident, when I looked at the template stack I thought 'Darn if that doesn't look like the shape of the Liberty Bell'. Check it out. ] 13:27 12 February, 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Hwlitsum == | |||
| : After I split up the article I thought it would be a good idea to split up the talk page, as well. The only contribution that was hard to split up was your contribution about the origin of the name. I didn't wan't to split it up in the middle of a paragraph which was relevant for both topics. Maybe you can find a better splitting point or, if not, just duplicate the paragraph. — ] ] 05:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| For a complete list of task forces, see ]. | |||
| : In the article ], there is a sentence: "In ecologically rich areas such as those inhabited by the ] in the ] ] ], traditions like ] kept wealth relatively evenly distributed, ...". When I just disamb'ed Cascadia it occurred to me that "Pacific East Rim" seems quite redundant there. Maybe both this and "ecoregion" could be deleted, or should we create a separate article for it? — ] ] 06:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Yah, i'd like to reiterate that I am sorry if I did take things too personally. I get your drift when you say you are ''a really nice guy, just with a taste for salty language and colourful metaphors'' . . In hindsight, I think its mostly my fault for interpreting you wrongly. (Although, call me pretentious, but I do take it personally when people say I was schooled wrong!) I'll put that on the Pac NW talk page at some point. In the meantime, I will read ''Beyond the Tragic Vision'', or at least the relevant parts of it - I do have enough time and have been having trouble finding at least concise sources, so any suggestions are great. Thanks. --] → <sup>]</sup> 05:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Category:Historical Chinatowns in British Columbia== | |||
| Hi Szoltys. Had a few days think about this; take your pick between: ], ] and my namesake article, ]; the two town articles may be revised in future and are somewhat incomplete at the moment, though. Dękuje. (No, I don't speak Polish, but I did study some once upon a time). ] may be the best one to translate, as it's not likely to change all that much, and maybe is the most interesting.] 17:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::The reason the Chinese overturned streambeds was to get at the deep gravel and "black sand" found down against bedrock; white miners were rarely so thorough and marvelled at the Chinese skills in the goldfield - contrary to the CCNC's site, which claims that Chinese were left with what the leavings only after whites had taken the pickings; in reality while Chinese did work sites left over by whites, they often made them more profitable because of their superior mining techniques; and in the case of the streambeds led the way (...) people were amused to see the Indians chasing the Chinese off the streambeds. ] | |||
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| :The Chinese worked their ''own'' original sites ''and'' the leavings of other miners; yes, they did rework non-Chinese diggings, but not cause they ''had to'' but because they could; the CCNC site paints it completely different, as more evidence of white discrimination yadayada; it was true in California, but they treat it (as did this page originally) as if it applied in BC as well. ''It did not''. Anyway, this streambed thing I can cite as soon as I find, amid the piles of paper and books scattered around my apartment, the Harris and Edwards books. ] | |||
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| :Hahahaha sorry Maude, I'm an older editor who just went through a block perpetrated by younger editors who condemned me for, basically, being a crotchety old f**k and standing up to childish nonsense from a teenager who wanted exclusive control over a subject area he really knows nothing abuot but has a very decided POV agenda for....; I'm leaving Misplaced Pages once and for all; done done done; see section below. Misplaced Pages is being run by people who got their adminships when they were in their early teens who have no real knowledge of teh world, that's my summatino of the problem in a nutshell. I've got only so many years left, tired of arguing with the arrogantly ill-informed and those with power they don't deserve and very little common sense and even less real manners. But man, a whole ''lot'' of attitude.] (]) 02:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::ALL miners in the Canyon engaged in sluicing benchland and other till well above waterline, but the Chinese were not exempt from this violation of native food resources and burial grounds; the syntax of my statement put it in a subphrase, "including the Chinese" when perhaps the sentence should start with "The Chinese, along with miners from other backgrounds" etc.] | |||
| == Notice to The Interior and Moonriddengirl re illicit removal of POV/ESSAY/SYNTH tags == | |||
| :::But the page also included "Chinese miners had to live in tents" or something to that effect in the railway section; as if every other kind of pioneer didn't and as if that had to do with immigration. This page includes all kinds of stuff which don't have to do with immigration ''per se'', the same way that the old HongCouver page contained all kinds of things that didn't belong on it, such as it was. I replaced what had been here before about how Chinese had supposedly been chased off gold workings with this more accurate account; they were driven off ''only'' at Tulameen and ''nowhere'' else, but this is enough for the CCNC and a coterie of academics to treat that one instance like it was a standard, which it was anything ''but''. There were many conflicts between First Nations and Chinese, as individuals and sometimes in parties (as with the streambed quarrels), often escalating to violence and no small amount of court cases relating to same; and this because the Chinese stayed on in the goldfields longer, and in the Lillooet area (the "Upper Canyon" or "Upper Fraser" in gold rush-era parlance) the bulk of hydraulic mining was Chinese-owned and worked (i.e. always on food-bearing lands because of the nature of the local geography/biome and the density of native populations) . All this is a reminder that Chinese, like all other colonist/exploiters, were as much a disturbance to First Nations life and resources ''as anybody else''. This should be reflected on this page, just as whites are slagged for nearly everything under the sun concerning the general history of the province, which is a complete double standard. If it's not relevant to ''immigration'', fine, it can be completely removed or put somewhere else; but I'll be watching like a hawk for finger-pointing about bad stuff that whites are chastised for having done when it's clear that the ''Chinese'', like everyone else, should share in the blame. The original content here glossed over the gold rushes and made them seem like inconsequential relative to the railway, and also as if they were another example of white high-handedness; quite the contrary, and if it weren't for the successes of gold rush Chinese, the railway Chinese would never have been brought in, nor would they have come. I may be able to get a "rate" of land displacement up and down the canyon, as a friend of mine just completed an exhaustive history/geography of ''all'' placer workings from Boston Bar to Big Bar or so, including who owned them; this is a good indicator of the degree of (a) Chinese economic success relative to others and (b) the primacy of Chinese in the displacement of lands for hydraulic workings (back in mid-September I stayed on a place at 12 Mile south of Lillooet that had been a Chinese mine-working; either that or a ] town, but the "holes" don't look right for the latter; but given its location it's quite probable that, prior to the Chinese ditching and pits on the site, it ''had been'' a First Nations site (because of its strategic location and water supply ''it must have been''); interesting problem that the landowner will only resolve (i.e. get the Lillooet Tribal Council) off his back if he can prove it was a Chinese hydraulic working; and yeah, the records exist...or should.] 07:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| My block is over; who cares? I don't. The only thing that's prevented me from responding with one final condemnation of the illicitness of this peremptory block, which gave ''carte blance'' to a highly POV and persistently AGF editor, is personal circumstances including six weeks ago the smashing of my laptop screen; other than that I was going to condemn, item by item, violations of policy/guideline committed by yourselves and comebacks to some of the inane comments in the ANI. D | |||
| That's silly. It doesn't belong on this page any more than it would belong on page like "Irish Immigration to Canada" as they likely participated in the gold rush too. This certainly belongs in an article on the gold rush, but since it has nothing specific to do with the Chinese (and there's no reason to think they would act any differently than other miners) it doesn't belong on this page, and you know it.] | |||
| ::Yet the pretense in p.c. historiography, and in the Chinese community's own political bumpf, is that they ''did'' act differently than other miners; I'm just trying to put it that they ''didn't'' (other than being more "efficient" - i.e. destructive - in their displacement of land in the course of their workings).....] | |||
| But here's what it is: why would I spend more time responding to people who refused to read anything I said while pandering to whining and pleading by WTM who even said, "is there a way to block him that won't be subject to consensus at ANI" - where his ally-in-enmity LegacyPac failed to get consensus. So yes, there was; harrassing me and demanding I stop 'interfering with' his sole authorship of his soapboxing about BC history on purely biased lines; I cringe at seeing some of his additions since my departure; but hell, MRG, you plunged in from the start saying you didn't want to have to research the previous months, and the lot of you - The Interior, yourself, Viriditas , Anna - refused to read anything I had to say, whether here or on the article talkpage. You have supported not just a POV fork but a blatantly OWN one, with loads of ESSAY/TRIVIA ''bunk'' and washed your hands of it and walked away. | |||
| :Most Irish in the goldfields were of two kinds: American Irish from California and parts east, generally Catholic; and Anglo-Irish officials, particularly military (e.g. ], the first Chief Constable of the new colony). Why there ''isn't'' an article on ] is a good question; perhaps it's addressed on ] but if that's the case, why aren't the Chinese immigration to Canada issues addressed on ]? There were, by the way, as many Irish died as Chinese in the building of the CPR, as they were the grunt labour east of the Rockies (the worst stretch to build, contrary to the text which says the Chinese were "given the worst stretch" to build, was actually the long and dire nastiness of the Canadian Shield from Kenora to southern Ontario; Irish and other British labour were not used in BC because they were too expensive to ship out west via the US or Panama or Cape Horn, and Chinese were not used east of BC because they were too expensive to ship east via the same routes; but the article paints it like the Chinese were ''deliberately'' given the worst work, when in fact it was the result of happenstance and practical logistics. And the same tight-fisted budgeting which ruled out British immigration for railway labour in favour of bargain-basement Chinese coolies, obligingly provided by the Chinese entrepreneurs who had struck it rich on the Fraser and in the Cariboo and elsewhere, or in Victoria in the course of supplying the rush (most gold rush money, anywhere, is made by people providing supplies and services, not by actual miners).] 07:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ''NPOV is not negotiable'', Moonriddengirl; your comment about nobody else commenting about POV being there is no consensus is completely out of line; read NPOV again and its POV fork again; using personal complaints as a way to denounce and override complaints of POV is ''against policy''. But my own personal complaints ''about him'' were ignored, while his about me were pandered to and encouraged/mollycoddled. | |||
| ::] in his ''The Resetttlement of British Columbia'', in the chapters on the gold rush and the benighted Nlaka'pamux of the region (I used "benighted" here because he manages to omit, or is unaware, of their genocidal wars on the Stl'atl'imx, Lil'wat and Stuwix, while speaking of a white genocide against the Nlaka'pamux in the Fraser Canyon War) tries to pin this on whites alone, but as in my other edit just now "other" rather than "white" is the proper terminology here because it wasn't just a white/Chinese racial dichotomy, as there were other "races" in the Fraser Canyon gold rush; but he goes on to describe Chinese hydraulic mining and farming on what obviously beforehand had been native land (a typical blinkers-on blame-game played by modern BC historiographies) | |||
| Cole Harris specifically says it was whites alone, or simply uses "whites" as the "other" to indigenous people? If it's the former, I'd be more inclined to believe your complaints about white-bashing. If it's the latter, he's just oversimplifying things into a white/native racial dichotomy, which although incorrect, is hardly the same thing. It's no more wrong than grouping all indigenous people together as one race, is it? Or all Chinese, which ] is equally incorrect.] | |||
| :The Chinese claim that the red-headed, spiral-tattooed fair-skinned mummmies of the Tarim Basin are Chinese, and that the Tibetans are Chinese, and the Uighurs are Chinese, and that the Manchurians and countless others are Chinese. This is like the multiple meanings nowadays for "Canadian"; all Chinese present in the colony were Cantonese, although maybe there was a Yao or Hmong in there somewhere, who knows. And yeah, Harris like other post-modern politically-correct academics, pins everything on whites alone (or to use the pastiche neologism, "Euro-Americans", which obscures the very real differences between various kinds of Brit, Canadian and Americans of European ''and'' British origin; the other p.c. term that's also inappropriate re early BC is "European" because of its multiple meanings, i.e. it can't just be used as a replacement for the overtly racial term "white", even though that's what is clearly meant), in the same way that he turns a blind eye to the Nlaka'pamux-Shuswap invasion and enslavement of the Lillooets, and the extermination of the Stuwix (the Nicola Athapaskans); the Chinese, and the First Nations, in Cole Harris' world, can do no wrong.] 07:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The Interior's b.s. about me writing 20,000 character opuses was a laugh; at the top of my talkpage at the same t ime was a link to the NOR board discussion which, if you go find it in the archive, was called a complete was of time by the ''sane'' editor who closed it. Do a word count on the 'new' CCinGV article - it's twice that length. Have even ''one'' of you read its content and fact-checkecd it, or noted my complaints about the content he had cultivated on the CCinBC article about how much repetition there was, about obvious SYNTH, about blatant POV, about working to exclude sources while cherrypicking others? No, obviously not, if you don't have the time to research what you're pronouncing judgement on ''you shouldn't be pronouncing judgement'' on it, ''never mind taking sides as you have done''. | |||
| You can reply here, I'll watch your page.- ] 05:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| So we have, other than the token British Columbian who levelled the block against me, an American-Texan-Chinese now OWNing articls about BC after successfully blocking the sole active British Columbian who works (worked) in historical areas and listed point after point after point about what was wrong ''all of which was ignored'' and not just ignored, but condemned. The Anglo-American bias issue of ] is very much in evidence here, and also in WTM's behaviour and content, where the Sino-globalist bias is also very much not just in evidence ''but his whole agenda''. | |||
| As a history major specializing in Chinese-immigration to Canada (and as the person who began this article), I respectfully disagree with your view that Chinese-Canadians portray their history as "revisionist" and only view itself as the victims. There was very severe discrimination against ethnic Chinese in Canada before multiculturalism, and I simply stated those discriminations when I began the article. I'd like to point out the following: | |||
| That you, MRG, claimed my saying he was "ill-informed" was an NPA while never considering the AGF against me, and his covert NPAs implicit throughout that AGF ''from day one'' - that you refused to take the time to read - is incredibly hypocritical and alos ironic - because you, too, are ill-informed and willfully so. but that you would call ''that'' an NPA while allowing "paranoid delusional" and various other very nasty and unfair ''direct NPAs'' to stand, including indulging in personal attacks yourself, is so much part of wiki-culture now that it's pointless to even explain it to you; you can never admit you're wrong and what you claim are guideline-driven actions on your part are actually ''policy violations''. | |||
| * The Chinese are not the only ethnic group to portray their history from a victim POV (e.g.: Jewish-Canadians, Ukrainian-Canadians, etc.) | |||
| * The Chinese-Canadian experience was one of the best-documented examples of institutional discrimination in Canada (as no other ethnic groups were subjected to a Head Tax for entering Canada) | |||
| * While other European groups were discriminated within Canada, Canada did welcome European immigrations in an effort to encourage Western settlement, as the Canadian government placed ads in newspapers throughout Europe, promising free land in Western Canada. Although there was some discriminations against other ethncities in Europe, they were relatively mild to what the Chinese had experienced. | |||
| NPOV is not negotiable. Period. Read ] and ] sometime; be warned, they're longer than seven sentences; they're "too long did not read". | |||
| Thus, I wouldn't exactly mention discrimination against the Chinese and that of the Irish in the same breath. ] 13:18, 23 Nov 2006 | |||
| "Misplaced Pages is not censored" is hilarious bullshit; wikilawyering is all ove the place, NPOV violations are commonplace, OWNership behaviour and DIVAism I've beeen accused of; both describe WTM to a 't'. (capital T). "I don't want to be interefered with:" as he said to someone, Viriditas I think, sums it up. No, he wants control of the sandbox and no messing around freom somebody in the way of his agenda, or his notions of content; I see bias and shabby logic not just in his content and arguments ''but in yours''. | |||
| : I thought that the focus was the discrimination of ethnic groups in Canada, ''not what they were subjected to back in the "old country."'' I'm not terribly interested the treatment of Irish back in Ireland (or Chinese back in China for that matter), since the focus of that article has to do with ethnic immigration to Canada. Second, I'm not the person who put in that misinformation. I started this article well after I've taken a course about Chinese immigration to Canada in university. Third, I'm quite proud of my "hypenated Canadian" staus (as I'm Chinese-Canadian). If Canada celebrates its multicultural policy ("the cultural moasic") so much, then long-time Canadians should accept newcomers who like to identify with their heritage. Finally, having lived in a province with a significant Ukrainian population (Alberta), I'm quite interested in the Ukrainian experience in Canada. ] 12:01, 24 Nov 2006 | |||
| The block is over, but I will not be back, other than to answer Anna below; | |||
| ==Historical photos== | |||
| Hey Skookum - I reposted the argument, links, and copyright tags beneath your reply so that the info and resources are available to everyone. Hopefully it'll encourage others to upload historical photos because there's a lot of great ones on the web. My original post with that stuff seems to have been archived.] 17:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I will now re-place the he removed a month after you blocked me, The Interior - ''did you even notice''. And they belong in "his" new article, which is a travesty not just of bias and essay/synth/trivia but also of incredibly bad english composition. | |||
| ==Panama== | |||
| (the canal, not the Van Halen song...) | |||
| It's a little simplistic to say X caused Y, but that's hard to avoid in this format when more than one sentence per idea is considered extravagant. If the port's coming of age has to be boiled down to one thing, it might be better to say it was the reduction of freight rates on goods shipped through the Rockies in the 1920s. Prior to that, there were discriminatory rates imposed by the railways that made it uneconomical to ship prairie grain west even though Vancouver was the nearest port. Van was, obviously, also the new kid on the block, so all the infrastructure was already oriented to shipping it east. Anticipation that the Panama Canal would bring a sea change in int'l shipping that might leave BC out in the cold I think drew a lot of energy and summoned the political will for developing the port to where it had state of the art facilities compared with the biggest int'l ports. Thus, the federal Harbour Commission was set up and took over much of the stewardship of the harbour from the CPR and other business interests. | |||
| Misplaced Pages has become a bureaucracy ruled by the uninformed with no sense of logic, and pandering to bias and empire-building and entrenched empire building by established admins and editors; it is not the collaborative environment it once was, and now is a battlefield and ''I'm not the one to blame for that''. Ignorance is, on the one hand, and 'gaming the system' on the other. and 'gaming the system' is exactly what has gone on here, and you have either been suckered by it ''or were part of it''. | |||
| Much of the grain trade was then diverted to Vancouver not only from Montreal's port, but even from American ports that were in on the action. The 1st grain elevator in Van was called "Stevens Folly" (after H.H. Stevens) because it was mostly unused in its 1st years. Part of that was the war as you mentioned (the elevator was built in 1914), and port development didn't really take off til the 20s. Vancouver also pioneered storage methods for grain so it could actually make it to the UK without rotting even if it travelled through the tropics (apparently that was one of the major arguments against shipping grain west. There's also Western Canada's lumber and mineral resources that are much closer to the Pacific coast than eastern ports. No matter how cheap trains are, it's still cheaper by water, so it made economic sense to float stuff down to Panama from Vancouver and back up again to the UK, or even to the Atlantic coast (BC timber for NYC construction, for example). Anyway, if you can give me an email address, I can send this article (its a PDF). It's a good read, succinct and she explains it better than I can.] 02:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| That this anti-consensus block in direct violation of policy was done by two ''paid editors'' - paid by the WMF no less - makes it all the more noxious; you have lost yourself a once-loyal contributor by pandering to an obvious propagandist. I will place those templates; I've already said ''over and over'' what is wrong with the CCinBC article; the same applies on the CCinGV article. So why bother contributing ''anything more to Misplaced Pages AT ALL'' when I have been hounded and harassed to help along a prodigious but suspicious editor. Please note - he is now no. 21 up from no. 34 onthe lsit of all time contributors; that is not some kind of proof of his validity, MRG, rather it calls into question the value of those contributions and note, the very bad writing and repetitious content and bad sourcing; i still think he's not one editor but a team, and if he isn't then prove it by opening his edit summary instead of concealing it; CHECKUSER is called for but given the bureaucracy is staffed by the same kind of people who have hounded and condemned me I have better things to be doing with my life and time. | |||
| ==history section== | |||
| Just as I read your comment about the battle in seattle movie, a super-bright movie set light began shining through my window (somewhere north of hastings near main - is that your people?) That's hysterical that they're bringing authentic Seattleites across the border for the shoot. | |||
| :Also a fiscal issue. Even at ten beans an hour, multiply that by 1000, then add 1.5x/hr for four hours of basic overtime, then 2.0x/hr for the next 4. Plus meal penalties and, after 16 hours, triple time (or, hm, is it quadruple time?)...also they're likely to be a lot more enthusiastic than Canadian extras, although apparently the few dozen they used today for the silent-protest phase of the story did a smack-on job, so real the director or a.d. or whomever came into holding kudo'd them for looking and behaving like the real thing (a detailed video of the story/riots had been shown in holding, over and over, so people would have an idea how to behave; quite a few people got upgrades from camera close-ups today, I'd gather; I was a bland passerby, mostly sat in holding. And no, we were on the Library steps and at street level at GM Place. What you saw was probably ''Intelligence'', the DaVinci spinof series.] 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I will not be writing in Misplaced Pages anymore; but I definitely will be writing ''about'' wikipedia, {{ping|User:Jimbo Wales}} take note. Not that you care, it seems that your own staffers were who hounded me out and blockerd me- you ''condoned'' their violation of the NPOV policy. | |||
| About the Vancouver article, I'm gonna try and step back for a little while. I've already put way too much time into it, and the FA process has been very frustrating, so I'll wait until the dust settles a bit. The introduction's already been completely re-written since yesterday. I just glanced through the Vancouver article on the Canadian Encyclopedia, which was interesting. I didn't pay too much to the content - most of the usual stuff - but I like the structure. It was written by Patricia Roy, an historian, but interestingly enough, it didn't have a "history" section. Instead, she goes through the various themes ("economy," "transportation," etcetera) and treats them all historically. It's a bit late to reconceptualize our Vancouver article, but I think maybe it could be reworked in that direction. No matter what factoids you choose, it feels unsatisfying to cram it all in to 2 paragraphs, while the rest of the article can be somewhat a-historical. For example, transportation could cover a fair bit of interesting historical developments (BCER, anti-freeway campaign) rather than beginning with the skytrain in 1986. Same with demographics - it might flow better if it were organized chronologically. The history section, rather than being a ghetto, could be left to deal with the earlier history, maybe divided between pre and post incorporation. That's my thoughts, but I'll let it sit for a while and see what develops. | |||
| Legacypac and others from the political-activist branch of Misplaced Pages will no doubt be happy that I am gone; watch for the gloating; hell, WTM went out and ''looked'' for enemies to help condemn me with - he was polling, in othr words. Would a responsible admin be doing that? No - bt I don't think there ''are'' many responsible admins; hypocritical ones by the score, to be sure. | |||
| Also, I do have a fairly large collection of local history books and would be willing to look up specific information for citations and what not. I know it's not realistic to run to the library to get the proper citations. It would be nice to have more printed and fewer internet sources used as well. Chuck Davis is good because he's in both places, but I'd also like to feel less like we're replicating the Greater Vancouver Book here too. ] 03:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Chuck also has errors, and repeats errors. Not wilfull confabulation or sins of omission; I haven't read him in detail but I've noticed things here and there that are either mis-takes or repetitions of stories from someone else that may have, for instance, come from bumpf/brochure aeons ago and have come to be considered as fact. That said, I can't provide any immediate examples. Anyway, had a nap and time for my bath....] 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeah, I've noticed some of that. What I like about the GVB though, and probably CD's biggest strength, is that he brought a lot of people together and had them write a piece on something they know something about - an architect on architecture, historian on history, archeologist on archeology (to use some examples cited in Wiki Vancouver article). As a quick reference guide, a source for local trivia and anecdotes, it's great, but I don't think I'd pull it out as the final word in a debate. ] 04:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If you ban me for this 'rant' then please delete ALL my contributions and build back the thousands of articles I've contributed ''yourselves''. Maybe WTM would care to undertake that huh? | |||
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| Seeing the removal of thoe templates was the height of gall, but it's not the first time he's behaved with incredible arrogance, "Honestly" in his edit comment is a joke; he hasn't been honest or respectful ever since he barged into Canadian wikispace. He's played you, and won. Maybe he'll be Number One someday huh? | |||
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| Power corrupts, and you are corrupt. And in the wrong.] (]) 01:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Why do you have to get so worked up about everything? I mean, we disagree on this issue, but you don't have to take it personal or accuse the world of working against you. We share a lot of the same views on most things, and you're about as close to a friend as I have on wikipedia, but I feel you're going a little over the top on this Chinese Immigration thing. Fine, you feel it's POV. I saw you had made a bunch of edits on friday (with some pretty extreme edit summaries), and to be honest, I was worried, because I know you have pretty intense feelings on the issue, which run pretty much totally contrary to mine. But when I saw your edits, I didn't see any problem with them. Just keep up your reasonable edits, and there doesn't have to be a fight at all. | |||
| :Welcome back. Let me see if I get this straight: after being blocked for three months for alleged battleground behavior, disruptive editing, and personal attacks, the first thing you did when your block expired was to ''return'' to battleground behavior, disruptive editing, and personal attacks. Am I correct on this, because that's what your contribution seems to show. Also, you once again complain about how nobody reads what you write, but you've been repeatedly told to shorten your TL;DR rants and ravings into something that is brief and to the point out of ''consideration'' for those of us who have jobs and actually have to work for a living. Is any of this getting through to you? ] (]) 02:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| I agree with you that the government didn't issue redress/compensation right away because they were worried that they'd have to give it out to everyone, but I never heard any politician actually give that as an excuse. I can't imagine anyone from Chretien to Harper saying "Yes, that would be the right thing to do, but we don't want to do it because it would cost too much, because we'd have to start doing the right thing all around." I could well be wrong, but usually politicians aren't that honest. My edit wasn't POV. I'm not trying to hide anything, or push an opposite viewpoint from yours, I just never heard anyone responsible make that claim. You freaking out and claiming to be the only person who reads the newspaper is not only uncalled for, it's not going to help anything. If you want to put it back in with a fact ref, or a citation, go right ahead, but calm down a little and assume good faith, okay? -- ] 05:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::coming from someone who claimed to be a moderator and demand I concede to a blatant guideline violation/instruction creep while refusing to discuss the NPOV policy you're nothing more than a hypocrite; you condoned the creation of a POV fork and shepherded a badly-written and over-sourced ''tract'' to mainspace and did ''nothing'' when he removed tags from the CCinBC article without ''ever'' even reading or doing anything about the many problems that article had, and still has. You are not a moderator you are a ''harassser'' and a scold; if you were a moderator you would have sought to understand the POV and sourcing problems instead of demand I accept his ''false'' claims about what RS says (which it doesn't) or his false claims about what that board said in response to him. ''He is a liar''. | |||
| ==Skookum== | |||
| ::"Is any of this getting through to you"?? hahah repeat after me "I won't be back", other than to chronicle for Anna below the number of times controversial actions have prompted responses frm me and how many there are out there who intervene on subject and title discussions who have no clue what they're talking about. ''That includes YOU''. | |||
| Good evening. I got your messages and was slightly taken aback. I have to say that you have made some rather bizarre assumptions! You refer to "my pet" twice and say "you may love your kitten..." What are you talking about? I do not own any Skookums. I am part of the WikiProject Cats group and am working to ensure that all recognised breeds of cat have a page and profile. This is not the only one I have done work on. What on earth gave you the idea that I had a Skookum? I am also slightly bemused at your assertions that the profile was written in overly cutesy language. It is a straightforward description of the physical characteristics of the breed and the history of its development. The only bit which might have been taken this way was the one sentence description of the typical temperament. I have removed this now, although you will find that many of the other breed profiles do have a description of temperament. Thanks for your clarification about TICA, as you will have read the breed was accepted for registration, but the breed name was not approved because someone on the committe thought the word Skookum meant something bad. Obviously this is just one of the organisations and the DCA is also there as a citation. So, no, I have no emotional attachment to the Skookum breed, I do not own one. None even exist in the country I live in. This is not my invention. The info is now accurate and appropriate in tone with citations. And just to make sure I have contacted a person who is a cat breeder who breeds this breed to request that she reviews the page. I do hope this clarifies your issues. Please do not remove any moe cat breed profiles, although go ahead if you want to set the Skookum page to a disambiguation page leading off to four pages. I am not totally sure wikipedia should be used as a dictionary, so perhaps your first definition of skookum shouldn't be here, but there could be a page for the monster and one for the dolls. | |||
| ::You have always been a waste of time. But here you are, back to the harassmwent and the scolding and ''still'' not considering t he POV issues I've raised, and ''still'' condoning the ''immortal prose'' of his contributions, which is just plain sophomorically bad English plus too many uses of "So-and-so in such-and-such said that the term is " and building SYNTH arguments from that. but you're perhaps in teh same camp as him, and only here to protect rankly POV editors like him frmo people calling "bullshit". which is what this block was, and what all that was said by those refusing to read what the problems were ''without ever researching content''. My anger is justified; and so is my contempt for ''YOU'' in particular. Moderator my ass; have ytou taken down that bit from the Dhammapada from your userpage yet??] (]) 02:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ==PS== | |||
| :::This would be incredibly funny if it wasn't so pathetically sad and depressing. Do you realize that every time you post a comment to Misplaced Pages, your sole intention is to lash out and attempt to harm others? Here are some words that others might use to describe your behavior: vindictive, vengeful, unforgiving, resentful, jealous and bitter. The best thing you can do for yourself is leave Misplaced Pages and find a good psychiatrist who will treat you. ] (]) 02:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Also puzzled by your comment "You also shouldn't have the cat breeds category on your own userpage; you're not a cat". I do not understand why you have said this when I do not have the cat breeds category on my userpage. You did not look properly. What is says is "This user is a member of WikiProject Cats". Many thanks for looking at the page though. | |||
| == Columbia River route map == | |||
| ::::'''''JEALOUS'''' hahahah man that's a good one; and here you are making more than one rank NPA ("find a good pyschiatrist who will treat you" is a ''rank'' violation of NPA but hey you're immune from any reproach huh?). Hghahahah man you sum up everything that is wrong with this place.] (]) 02:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, Skookum. I’m sorry to take so long to get back to you on this. I was on vacation from Misplaced Pages for a few months, and then I kept meaning to respond but I kept putting it off. I have updated the Columbia River satellite photo/map as you suggested to show the Columbia’s complete route in British Columbia. The new map is here: ]. (The old one was here: ].) I meant to just overwrite the old one when I uploaded the new one, but due to a capitalization error (On ''vs.'' on) I wound up creating a new image. So I updated the three links to the old image and I requested deletion of the old one with an <nowiki>{{ifd}}</nowiki> tag. •] 03:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Looks great, pity can't get the top of the Big Bend on it, as I'm planning an article on ], and there'll be a ] (which was a town) and ]; this would be a great map for some BC illustrative maps, particularly history (see ] and ]. What's really interesting on these satellite maps is you can see the border; because of different land blocks and logging cuts and other activity-shifts from one side of the 49th Parallel to the other; especially through the Kootenays/Idaho-Montana and out onto the Prairie.] 07:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*I noticed that you could see the border, after you pointed it out. It’s interesting! Here is something along similar lines that is quite interesting. On my website at there is a very dramatic dividing line that you can see from space, where the border between North Korea and South Korea crosses the peninsula. South Korea is ablaze with light, while North Korea has just a few pinpoints here and there. What a difference between a free, capitalist country and a Communist tyranny! •] 00:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: :::It's a complete joke that I was blamed for "battlefield behaviour" when the battlelfield behaviour was his from the ''very start'' from his first appearance on ]. but ''none'' of those condemning me have condescended to ''read'' the disputes and observe the escalating battlefield against ''me'' though RfCs, NOR RS and other boaards, and illogical responses and arguments against sources and so on; ''none of those condemning me'' including the scold above have read the whole of the dispute, ''or'' paid attention to my points about how he counter-attacked with demands including I should buy a book when he knew I didn't have money, or following my comments asking him to 'back off' as I was having health and life-crisi problem by posting a parody of that bout himself ''then'' launching into a massive amount of edits and also talkpage/board arguments against me. the battlefield has always been of his making; and he enlisted supporters and blatantly polled for support by those hostile to me. but who gets blamed? His victim. You're all sociopaths IMO.] (]) 02:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Football? == | |||
| ::::::Per ], you should be immediately re-blocked. To come back here after three months and start right where you left off is a good rationale for an indef. ] (]) 03:01, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| When you Canadians say “football,” are you referring to ] or ]? •] 18:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| And who are you again? You are a harasser and have refused to consider ''any'' of the content issues I have raised and it is ''you'' who have furthered teh battlefield behaviour here as you have before. Be that as it may, you just made two ''very'' personal attacks and I launched an ANI against you, and it's ''you'' who need disciplining, ''not me''. | |||
| :], which resembles American football but with slightly different rules (longer field, different scoring system and penalty/"down" rules, game relies more on passing than carrying). ] in Canada is always referred to as soccer, usually even by expat Brits and Euros and Aussies, at least when they're talking to "us". Canadian football and American football are not quite the same game, even though players come and go between the respective leagues; more similar than different, relative to the differences between ordinary rugger and Aussie rules (which are totally different games); the Canadian-American distinction is more to do with rules and style/strategy. Supposedly ours is older, too, as the first game ever known was between the Harvard (or Yale?) rugby club and the McGill soccer league, at McGill (Montreal).] 21:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*Interesting. You learn something every day. I didn’t know there was such a game as Canadian football! •] 21:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Indefinitely blocked for standing up for myself? that's how this place works huh? and who are you again? some interloper who won't consider the subject matter and its POV violations but instead engaged in threatening and demanding behaviour; instead of moderating you ''took sides''. The only reason I don't care about an indefinite block is I want to ''publicly'' explain to Anna below why her question is a conundrum and list off the controversies that I engaged myself in that ''needed engaging'' and gee, which for the most part, ''I won''. | |||
| == Football and Culture == | |||
| And as for being "bitter" of course I'm bitter that people from outside my province have created a blatantly biased and distorted version of its social history, while engaging in personal attacks in the course of preventing me from adding balance and/or arguing for it. {{Ping|User:JimboWales}} please take note of all this; the harrassment I have received here is a violation of behavioural guidelines in the course of retrenching a violation - a very blatant violation - of ]. I'm not insane, and I'm not stupid either; hilarious that V. 's barntar for me had been, in part, for 'calling a spade a spade'; but when the shit was on his own shovel, he/she turned nasty. Or is he/she on your payroll too, as are Moonriddengirl and The Interior? ] (]) 03:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| See ]. •] 22:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Tree photo== | |||
| Hi Skookum1 - just happened on your pic link that you posted on Talk:Lodgepole Pine a few months ago. It looks most like a juniper to me, probably ''Juniperus scopulorum''. - ] 13:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Indefinitely blocked == | |||
| ==Curious edit to Columbia River== | |||
| Hi Skookum1. I'm curious about to the ]. You deleted two ''accessdate'' fields in citations, and removed/damaged two ''ISBN'' numbers. The other edit (adding ''allegedly'') is fine. What happened? — ] 07:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Skookum1, I have indefinitely blocked you for immediately resuming battleground behavior against ] upon your return from your block. Converting your block to indefinite or following with indefinite if the behavior continued was an option presented by several at , where consensus was confirmed for that block. I'm sorry that it's necessary. | |||
| All I remember doing is adding "allegedly" and making the edit comment; I don't remember deleting ''anything''. Maybe there was a rapid-type ctrl-select that I didn't see in the course of typing (been known to happen when I'm writing/editing, but in the course of ordinary text - not infobox formatting). I also wasn't anywhere near the section that had ISBN numbers; I made only one edit (that I was aware of) - the addition of "allegedly". Could this be a glitch somehow?] 08:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Content policy concerns do not trump behavioral policy concerns. (], ] and ] are all policies.) It is not necessary to engage in battleground behavior to right wrongs; what is necessary is to demonstrate to other users that your content concerns are valid. If the user with whom you are disagreeing cannot be persuaded, dispute resolution is the way to go. If dispute resolution does not garner consensus to your view, you need to let it go. | |||
| That's weird. If it was a glitch, it had a semi-uniform shotgun distribution where it tore up the target. I made the intended fix. Thanks. — ] 08:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I do not believe that you should be unblocked without some indication that you are willing to work very differently here. I realize that you are angry that those who have disagreed with your behavior have not also involved themselves in content, but as I noted to you in the past ] does not permit this. There are many, many editors who can help tangle out the content issue if you are unblocked and will only engage without the personal attacks, unsupported allegations of impropriety and incivility that you have continued to lodge against WhisperToMe. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| Try assuming good faith one and a while, eh? I wrote that section, and I'll admit it is actually prairie-centric. But that's not because I'm part of some "Central Canadian" plot to deny BC's existance. I just was using "the West" poetically, and in the "old west", "wild west", "last, best, west", etc. Salright? ] 02:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :I know, but it's a common prairie view to regard BC as part of the same region; only by direction and distance from the centre; it's a term which doesn't "work" in BC, and it's incidental (sort of) that the content in that section was about the Prairies only; I just happened to be browsing a book on immigrant groups in BC (''Strangers Entertained'', which you won't find in bookstores as it was a govt centennial publication in '71) and was perusing the Irish section. Ours were different than those in other parts of the country, and BC attracted a certain element/type from any group; Raised myself a storm of definition issues now because have a look at ] (which for now includes a section on Canada, which in the Irish-from-Ireland view is "in America", "America" meaning the New World to them, not just the U.S.....); the definition problem now comes because it's hard to tell who to give ] to, and who to give ] to, and there might have to be an ] because many of BC's Anglo-Irish weren't from Ulster, nor part Scots; but there's no Anglo-Irish in Canada or Scots-Irish in Canada articles; just the US one. Found this out when I dropped by to add the Irish Canadian tag to ] and ] (BC's 1st and 4th Premiers), as I had just done for ] and ].] 02:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :The "put the lie to" comment was fair, considering that the article had been written, albeit in good faith, under the assumption that Australian bigotries can be applied across the board to Canadian bigotries; the "indentured servants" wording is POV, unless equal-time is given to the notion that ALL Hudson's Bay Company staff, including managers, clerks and chief factors, were also "indentured servants". I had added material to the article about the different meaning of the word, and the different social situation, on our side of the Pacific, and to back it up included the Koppel cite (out of potentially very many; it's just the most focussed publication); but some earnest Australasian deleted that material because...well, no real good reason was given other than disbelief, based in a lack of knowledge of what happened with Kanakas in North America. I'm of the kind that if something is a lie, I'm going to call it a lie, and that's what I did.] 00:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :As for a separate category of native trade routes vs post-contact ones, that's not going to work as one is often the other; there is nowhere else to go. And many of the native trade routes don't have names, though spots along them do (e.g. a named pass), and they're not quite the same thing as an infrastuctural route, i.e. something constructed/budgeted/maintained - something that could be accounted for in material history rather than by ethnographic cartography; as far as mandated routes go also need writeups are the Hudson's Bay Brigade Trail (Spuzzum-Coldwater-Merritt) and the route of the Company Express (books and profits from Fort Vancouver to Port Churchill, annually...via Colville not via Kamloops as I'd ocne thought...); the Brigade Trail is not a native route but the Express Route consistently used native trade routes (i.e. the rivers and portages connecting them). There can implicitly be no distinction, whether it's the ] or ] or ], all of which used "native trade routes". I'd suggest maybe a category on something like Heritage Routes rather than Trade Routes, although I'm not fond of the word "heritage" but "historical" doesn't cut it either. Waddington's Road (the aborted Homathko Canyon gold rush route cf ] comes in there; also the route of the Collins Telegraph, known as the Telegraph Trail). BC's history is in large part that of the establishment of constructed, mapped infrastructure (our first military were, needless to say, all professional surveyors and engineers...). The Whatcom Trail was not a native trade route; rather a badly-conceived and largely awkward route from Bellingham Bay to the Chilliwack area of the Fraser; see its inland counterpart the ] and I have yet to write the ] (the Similkameen-Coldwater/Nicola branch of the Okanagan Trail]]).] 06:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :Don't be cute. A lake is a lake and in this encyclopedia should be written as such; that it's a caldera is incidental; since it is (if it is) it can be included still in the Volcanoes category (] in Oregon is in both Lakes of Oregon and Volcanoes of Oregon); but the article should be primarily about the lake itself as a geographic feature; location, size, volume, setting; you've written it only as a geology article as if it weren't also a geographic artifact, and of course in this case a recreational-tourism feature as well.] 23:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :Try using ] as a guideline for overall layout; it's a good article and has the volcanic focus you're interested in while still being a park/recreation/geographic/environmental article.] 23:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| yo skookum (dude can you believe I used the word skookum the other day in ontario only to recieve blank stares, and people asking what the hell that meant)????? Anyways I wrote the whole Shifting Fortunes part BC since the 70's, check it out have a look, have an edit, whatev | |||
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| If you look at the canadian atlas, they identify Della Falls as the tallest in Canada. This is what Ive heard from various sources, but if you could provide some reference to the other falls being taller that would be appreciated. ] 02:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| www.britishcolumbia.com says Hunlen Falls is 853'; Bivouac.com gives 253m, so obviously not as high as Della, then; I'd been raised in a time when Hunlen was the highest known I guess; I do know that Hunlen has never been adequately measured because of the snowfield it drops into (its outflow runs through an ice cave), but I doubt there could be as wide a variance in its measure as 200m. Hunlen's in Tweedsmuir Provincial Park and, like much of that park, is not photographed a lot, especially under free licence; or I'd have written an article/stub on it by now. ] 03:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the status of waterfalls in Canada. The Atlas of Canada does not have much information, just stating a few general statistics, but the person I contacted there stated that Della Falls is the tallest; however, there remain many falls that are unmeasured. ] 01:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I saw somewhere that you mentioned wanting to figure out the citation templates. If you haven't yet, you can find the templates . Just cut and paste from the "common usage" column and fill in the details (and place between the <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> things in the text). And if it's not already there, stick this in the 'references' section:<nowiki><references/></nowiki> and they'll go in automatically. I find these templates kind of tedious to use, but it seems most people prefer having them. cheers, ] 09:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| i think that the projects do follow a hierarchy, so that the tag should be the most specific (i.e., just Vancouver, not Van,BC, and Canada). But I'm not exactly sure what the implications of that is. I asked a similar question on the BCproject talk page, but haven't got a response. In my mind, it should work like the category tree, but then again, these are independent projects and not really interconnected technically, even if they are grouped in families. So maybe it's a judgement call for each article to decide if the city and the province can claim it. | |||
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| As for the French thing, the constitution (as the franco-philes like to point to as the authority) has it as la Colombie-Britannique, in upper case. But I think it only needs the 'la' if it's in a sentence, so that the infobox doesn't require it. I've checked a few places on the french wikipedia, and that seems to be the case, though I don't remember from my french classes the logic for it. Life in a country that doesn't make any sense (check the 'multinational' discussion on the Canada talk page sometime if you want more). 09:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Stanley Park is #1, not #16 == | |||
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| Bobbany and Skokum - I believe my latest version is shorter, more precise, and more up to the point. It is not important to point out data that Stanley Park is 16th in the place. That's simply not true. I mean, the agency selected ugly Mexican park to be #1 in the world, and that park doesn't even have 1/3 of features and beauty of Stanley Park. The agency has discredited itself and we should not quote it. How can one put ugly, dirty, Mexican park on #1 place and Stanley Park on the 16th place? It's ridicolous. I strongly oppose information from discredited agencies to be included into Stanley Park article. I've been in Mexico and seen the ugly dirty park they selected as "#1 Park in the World", and it can't even be compared with our Stanley Park. Don't include that info, as by doing that - you are only insulting the most beautiful park in the Universe (Stanley Park!). ] 06:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I've established that ] is in fact Erik Bornmann himself, and he has repeatedly vandalized both the article about him ''and'' the talk page by deleting posts by other editors (including my own from last night, which I just restored). I think I'm going to have to ] him, plus Omar Jack, JJGardiner and others who have fiddled with these pages (Omar Jack and others, if you look at their User Contributions, have ONLY posted on the Erik Bornmann article; similar one-article contributors can be found in the BC ledge raids article and talk page and their histories.] 20:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I have blocked you for . ]|] 19:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :Oh rejoice. Finally somebody takes action against this guy. He should have been blocked a long time ago. ] <small>(] - ])</small> 19:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :For what it's worth, I think is the precise diff of the reason Zoe blocked. Regards, ] 07:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| As I explained here: ,I doubt Skookum1 has made a legal threat. Please consider unblocking him, or at least have a discussion with him about it that doesn't presume he's guilty. FWIW, I've run into this guy a few times on geography articles and he's made valuable contributions. <s>Let's try not to lose him.</s> ] 05:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :I've "run into this guy a few times" also and he's made some very borderline racist comments. Not to mention he incessantly soapboxes in a lot of Talk pages, and add a lot of inane inline comments in articles he has edited in the past. Definitely should be kept blocked. ] <small>(] - ])</small> 06:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::OK, that kind of thing is definitely a concern (if true), but the current block is for legal threats. If he hasn't made any, the block should be lifted. I don't have the big picture of the disputes he's been in, so I have no opinion on whether he should be blocked for the other things. ] 06:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, whatever, I'm just glad he's been blocked. ] <small>(] - ])</small> 07:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Not totally, Hong. Found your comments here amusing and your biased reversions/deletions at the various articles you've finally found the courage to re-revise in my absence, but I had bigger fish to fry. Freedom of speech and all that; you might try it sometime.] 23:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::PS Governor Douglas really did issue edicts and reprimands to miners concerning equal treatment for Chinese gold miners. Read some BC history sometime instead of just pontificating on it from political pamphlets.] 23:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I have had assistance from Skookum1 several times on work I have done and have observed a wide range of valuable contributions that he has made about British Columbia. His useful and extensive work often digs into sources that are beyond what is easily available. It would be a great loss if he was prevented from continuing this work. The block is based on a breach of ]. I support removal of the block because the comments are not a threat at all and because they are not a threat of legal action (the Law Society is only a regulatory body, not a court). The editor's remarks made were part of a series of vigorously expressed comments made advancing a concern that edits are being made to a biographical article inappropriately. It is clear from the comments that the editor's intent was that bias ought not to be a basis for deletion of content. His concern is about whether the information presented is being manipulated. It would be a shame if his vigour of expression in defence of the integrity of our work becomes a basis for him to be excluded. At ] I see "Users who make threats, whether legal, personal, or professional, that in any way are seen as an attempt to intimidate another user may be blocked without warning. If a warning is desirable, the <nowiki>{{npa6}}</nowiki> template can be used. Users who make severe threats can be blocked indefinitely." If there is to be a block, it ought to be of short duration. The sort of "severe threat" contemplated by the policy is beyond anything that can be found in Skookum1's comments. There are several unsupported negative allegations made by others in this section that have no bearing on the basis for this block. Those comments should be ignored. Any decision about whether to block a user, particularly a user of this value, should be based on the actual policy and unsupported negative opinions should have no bearing on that decision. ] | ] 04:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC) By the way, in case anyone gets the idea I am the lawyer that Skookum1 refers to in his note, I am not. ] | ] 06:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| {{unblock reviewed|1=Here is my position. I cannot apologize for something I did not do, which was not a legal threat, not even a threat of any kind. Etc. I am appealing this block because I made NO legal threat. I apologize if my suggestion that the Law Society of Upper Canada, the bar association for the province of Ontario, will find the censorship of the Bornmann article of interest in their hearings on Mr. Bornmann's bar application. But as I cannot know that rascalpatrol is Mr. Bornmann, who can it be that I threatened rascalpatrol? I indicated that (non-legal, albeit professional) proceedings against Mr. Bornmann would be of interest to the Law Society of Upper Canada. I repeat, I made no legal threat and have never done such on Misplaced Pages and know better than to do things like that at all (I'm the type that would take court action before speaking about doing so, for one thing...). I made a simple comment, that as observed by a lawyer friend of mine, the censorship and vandalism of the Bornmann page may be of interest to the LSUC. If that's a threat, then I retract it, as it wasn't meant that way. But I will not apologize for something I did not do - because in my mind it was not a threat, just an observation - and cannot promise not to do something again that I didn't do in the first place. The issues concerning the slack definitions and loosely-defined policies here are further to this and I could explore the arguments posed over them, but the central point remains: I did not make a threat, period, and deserved no block. This block has been unfair and unjust, and I protest it. I'm not going to demand an apology, but I certainly feel I deserve one.Skookum1 23:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)|decline=While you did not claim to be pursuing a lawsuit, your comments were sufficiently uncivil as to justify a block. Certainly you violated the spirit of ] if not necessary the letter. I cannot support an unblock at this time. However, if you request another unblock and indicate that you have read ] and understand how to resolve disputes, I would not object to another admin unblocking you. -- ] 00:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)}} | |||
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| outside legal authority to resolve editing disputes. I have also read WP:CIVIL and WP:Legal and have and will abide by their guidelines.] 10:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :I can't post to this right now because I'm still fighting what I see as an unfair and highly :politically partial block; just wanted to comment on your post about the shameless self-promotion: :that's only because rascalpatrol and Randy3 et al. have been allowed to run roughshod over this :article; if the content they deleted - all of it valid - were restored, the article is very relevant :and concerns high-stakes public affairs. BTW if rascalpatrol is Bornmann, pls note the length of :his self-laudatory post here, which precedes yours, vis a vis the "shameless self-promotion" thing. :This article should be sent to Edit Wars or Arbitration and be Protected, and the SPAs who have been :controlling it, and brow-beating anyone who tries to fix it, should be censured much more severely :than I have been.... | |||
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| I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on that. Even looking at the history, the article doesn't show why he deserves an article. ] 04:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :Hm. You did read didn't you? I guess I'll have to lay out in point form why this case is highly-relevant to the public interest, and why the separate players throughout it each should have their own page (but not tonight; it's New Years and I'm gonna go play some tunes in the park...and eat, drink and otherwise be merry). As Domperignon, whoever he is, long ago noted, he'd only incidentally created this page first and was going to make the Basi and Virk pages and all the ancillary pages that would focus on ], but he was accused of singling Bornmann out and, as others have also been, and me by imputation, that people trying to represent the full story are agents of "those criminaly charged" (sic), namely Basi and Virk, and THAT is false, uncivil, and all kinds of Wikicrimes in one breath. That it's been emasculated to a (rather pathetic) vanity article in order to help cover-up a major and breaking political scandal the subject is involved in just doesn't seem right; and if it's not on the radar in T.O. yet it soon will be as the trial will be opening up in coming weeks and Mr. Bornmann is a star witness - ''the'' star witness. He's not just an articling student seeking to promote himself; the case he's involved in, and his activities in relation to it, are a matter of public interest. Not prurient interest, but ''the'' public interest.] 04:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :I should postscript that with the comment that articles on the other principals in the case are needed, and will be just as lengthy/complex (as this one would be if it had all the facts/news coverage), in the same way as any political or criminal biography; having all their stories crammed onto the BC Ledge Raids page just won't fit, and would make that page unwieldy (right now it's still emasculated too, although some people have been trying to re-add material attacked by the Bornmann camp previously...(curiously many of them from ON and QC IP addresses or otherwise indicated as being from outside BC....); I'm not Skootum3, btw, whoever that is; a tribute username I suppose but definitely not me in case anybody claims it is ;-| ] 04:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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MaudeG3 (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
- Hahahaha sorry Maude, I'm an older editor who just went through a block perpetrated by younger editors who condemned me for, basically, being a crotchety old f**k and standing up to childish nonsense from a teenager who wanted exclusive control over a subject area he really knows nothing abuot but has a very decided POV agenda for....; I'm leaving Misplaced Pages once and for all; done done done; see section below. Misplaced Pages is being run by people who got their adminships when they were in their early teens who have no real knowledge of teh world, that's my summatino of the problem in a nutshell. I've got only so many years left, tired of arguing with the arrogantly ill-informed and those with power they don't deserve and very little common sense and even less real manners. But man, a whole lot of attitude.Skookum1 (talk) 02:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Notice to The Interior and Moonriddengirl re illicit removal of POV/ESSAY/SYNTH tags
My block is over; who cares? I don't. The only thing that's prevented me from responding with one final condemnation of the illicitness of this peremptory block, which gave carte blance to a highly POV and persistently AGF editor, is personal circumstances including six weeks ago the smashing of my laptop screen; other than that I was going to condemn, item by item, violations of policy/guideline committed by yourselves and comebacks to some of the inane comments in the ANI. D
But here's what it is: why would I spend more time responding to people who refused to read anything I said while pandering to whining and pleading by WTM who even said, "is there a way to block him that won't be subject to consensus at ANI" - where his ally-in-enmity LegacyPac failed to get consensus. So yes, there was; harrassing me and demanding I stop 'interfering with' his sole authorship of his soapboxing about BC history on purely biased lines; I cringe at seeing some of his additions since my departure; but hell, MRG, you plunged in from the start saying you didn't want to have to research the previous months, and the lot of you - The Interior, yourself, Viriditas , Anna - refused to read anything I had to say, whether here or on the article talkpage. You have supported not just a POV fork but a blatantly OWN one, with loads of ESSAY/TRIVIA bunk and washed your hands of it and walked away.
NPOV is not negotiable, Moonriddengirl; your comment about nobody else commenting about POV being there is no consensus is completely out of line; read NPOV again and its POV fork again; using personal complaints as a way to denounce and override complaints of POV is against policy. But my own personal complaints about him were ignored, while his about me were pandered to and encouraged/mollycoddled.
The Interior's b.s. about me writing 20,000 character opuses was a laugh; at the top of my talkpage at the same t ime was a link to the NOR board discussion which, if you go find it in the archive, was called a complete was of time by the sane editor who closed it. Do a word count on the 'new' CCinGV article - it's twice that length. Have even one of you read its content and fact-checkecd it, or noted my complaints about the content he had cultivated on the CCinBC article about how much repetition there was, about obvious SYNTH, about blatant POV, about working to exclude sources while cherrypicking others? No, obviously not, if you don't have the time to research what you're pronouncing judgement on you shouldn't be pronouncing judgement on it, never mind taking sides as you have done.
So we have, other than the token British Columbian who levelled the block against me, an American-Texan-Chinese now OWNing articls about BC after successfully blocking the sole active British Columbian who works (worked) in historical areas and listed point after point after point about what was wrong all of which was ignored and not just ignored, but condemned. The Anglo-American bias issue of WP:Systemic bias is very much in evidence here, and also in WTM's behaviour and content, where the Sino-globalist bias is also very much not just in evidence but his whole agenda.
That you, MRG, claimed my saying he was "ill-informed" was an NPA while never considering the AGF against me, and his covert NPAs implicit throughout that AGF from day one - that you refused to take the time to read - is incredibly hypocritical and alos ironic - because you, too, are ill-informed and willfully so. but that you would call that an NPA while allowing "paranoid delusional" and various other very nasty and unfair direct NPAs to stand, including indulging in personal attacks yourself, is so much part of wiki-culture now that it's pointless to even explain it to you; you can never admit you're wrong and what you claim are guideline-driven actions on your part are actually policy violations.
NPOV is not negotiable. Period. Read WP:NPOV and WP:POV fork sometime; be warned, they're longer than seven sentences; they're "too long did not read".
"Misplaced Pages is not censored" is hilarious bullshit; wikilawyering is all ove the place, NPOV violations are commonplace, OWNership behaviour and DIVAism I've beeen accused of; both describe WTM to a 't'. (capital T). "I don't want to be interefered with:" as he said to someone, Viriditas I think, sums it up. No, he wants control of the sandbox and no messing around freom somebody in the way of his agenda, or his notions of content; I see bias and shabby logic not just in his content and arguments but in yours.
The block is over, but I will not be back, other than to answer Anna below;
I will now re-place the templates he removed a month after you blocked me, The Interior - did you even notice. And they belong in "his" new article, which is a travesty not just of bias and essay/synth/trivia but also of incredibly bad english composition.
Misplaced Pages has become a bureaucracy ruled by the uninformed with no sense of logic, and pandering to bias and empire-building and entrenched empire building by established admins and editors; it is not the collaborative environment it once was, and now is a battlefield and I'm not the one to blame for that. Ignorance is, on the one hand, and 'gaming the system' on the other. and 'gaming the system' is exactly what has gone on here, and you have either been suckered by it or were part of it.
That this anti-consensus block in direct violation of policy was done by two paid editors - paid by the WMF no less - makes it all the more noxious; you have lost yourself a once-loyal contributor by pandering to an obvious propagandist. I will place those templates; I've already said over and over what is wrong with the CCinBC article; the same applies on the CCinGV article. So why bother contributing anything more to Misplaced Pages AT ALL when I have been hounded and harassed to help along a prodigious but suspicious editor. Please note - he is now no. 21 up from no. 34 onthe lsit of all time contributors; that is not some kind of proof of his validity, MRG, rather it calls into question the value of those contributions and note, the very bad writing and repetitious content and bad sourcing; i still think he's not one editor but a team, and if he isn't then prove it by opening his edit summary instead of concealing it; CHECKUSER is called for but given the bureaucracy is staffed by the same kind of people who have hounded and condemned me I have better things to be doing with my life and time.
I will not be writing in Misplaced Pages anymore; but I definitely will be writing about wikipedia, @Jimbo Wales: take note. Not that you care, it seems that your own staffers were who hounded me out and blockerd me- you condoned their violation of the NPOV policy.
Legacypac and others from the political-activist branch of Misplaced Pages will no doubt be happy that I am gone; watch for the gloating; hell, WTM went out and looked for enemies to help condemn me with - he was polling, in othr words. Would a responsible admin be doing that? No - bt I don't think there are many responsible admins; hypocritical ones by the score, to be sure.
If you ban me for this 'rant' then please delete ALL my contributions and build back the thousands of articles I've contributed yourselves. Maybe WTM would care to undertake that huh?
Seeing the removal of thoe templates was the height of gall, but it's not the first time he's behaved with incredible arrogance, "Honestly" in his edit comment here is a joke; he hasn't been honest or respectful ever since he barged into Canadian wikispace. He's played you, and won. Maybe he'll be Number One someday huh?
Misplaced Pages should not have been gamed like this. And you should all learn to read and not say you are going to take action against someone if you don't wsant to listen to what they have to say.
Power corrupts, and you are corrupt. And in the wrong.Skookum1 (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- Welcome back. Let me see if I get this straight: after being blocked for three months for alleged battleground behavior, disruptive editing, and personal attacks, the first thing you did when your block expired was to return to battleground behavior, disruptive editing, and personal attacks. Am I correct on this, because that's what your contribution seems to show. Also, you once again complain about how nobody reads what you write, but you've been repeatedly told to shorten your TL;DR rants and ravings into something that is brief and to the point out of consideration for those of us who have jobs and actually have to work for a living. Is any of this getting through to you? Viriditas (talk) 02:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- coming from someone who claimed to be a moderator and demand I concede to a blatant guideline violation/instruction creep while refusing to discuss the NPOV policy you're nothing more than a hypocrite; you condoned the creation of a POV fork and shepherded a badly-written and over-sourced tract to mainspace and did nothing when he removed tags from the CCinBC article without ever even reading or doing anything about the many problems that article had, and still has. You are not a moderator you are a harassser and a scold; if you were a moderator you would have sought to understand the POV and sourcing problems instead of demand I accept his false claims about what RS says (which it doesn't) or his false claims about what that board said in response to him. He is a liar.
- "Is any of this getting through to you"?? hahah repeat after me "I won't be back", other than to chronicle for Anna below the number of times controversial actions have prompted responses frm me and how many there are out there who intervene on subject and title discussions who have no clue what they're talking about. That includes YOU.
- You have always been a waste of time. But here you are, back to the harassmwent and the scolding and still not considering t he POV issues I've raised, and still condoning the immortal prose of his contributions, which is just plain sophomorically bad English plus too many uses of "So-and-so in such-and-such said that the term is " and building SYNTH arguments from that. but you're perhaps in teh same camp as him, and only here to protect rankly POV editors like him frmo people calling "bullshit". which is what this block was, and what all that was said by those refusing to read what the problems were without ever researching content. My anger is justified; and so is my contempt for YOU in particular. Moderator my ass; have ytou taken down that bit from the Dhammapada from your userpage yet??Skookum1 (talk) 02:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- This would be incredibly funny if it wasn't so pathetically sad and depressing. Do you realize that every time you post a comment to Misplaced Pages, your sole intention is to lash out and attempt to harm others? Here are some words that others might use to describe your behavior: vindictive, vengeful, unforgiving, resentful, jealous and bitter. The best thing you can do for yourself is leave Misplaced Pages and find a good psychiatrist who will treat you. Viriditas (talk) 02:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- JEALOUS' hahahah man that's a good one; and here you are making more than one rank NPA ("find a good pyschiatrist who will treat you" is a rank violation of NPA but hey you're immune from any reproach huh?). Hghahahah man you sum up everything that is wrong with this place.Skookum1 (talk) 02:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- :::It's a complete joke that I was blamed for "battlefield behaviour" when the battlelfield behaviour was his from the very start from his first appearance on WP:CANTALK. but none of those condemning me have condescended to read the disputes and observe the escalating battlefield against me though RfCs, NOR RS and other boaards, and illogical responses and arguments against sources and so on; none of those condemning me including the scold above have read the whole of the dispute, or paid attention to my points about how he counter-attacked with demands including I should buy a book when he knew I didn't have money, or following my comments asking him to 'back off' as I was having health and life-crisi problem by posting a parody of that bout himself then launching into a massive amount of edits and also talkpage/board arguments against me. the battlefield has always been of his making; and he enlisted supporters and blatantly polled for support by those hostile to me. but who gets blamed? His victim. You're all sociopaths IMO.Skookum1 (talk) 02:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- Per WP:NOTTHEM, you should be immediately re-blocked. To come back here after three months and start right where you left off is a good rationale for an indef. Viriditas (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
And who are you again? You are a harasser and have refused to consider any of the content issues I have raised and it is you who have furthered teh battlefield behaviour here as you have before. Be that as it may, you just made two very personal attacks and I launched an ANI against you, and it's you who need disciplining, not me.
Indefinitely blocked for standing up for myself? that's how this place works huh? and who are you again? some interloper who won't consider the subject matter and its POV violations but instead engaged in threatening and demanding behaviour; instead of moderating you took sides. The only reason I don't care about an indefinite block is I want to publicly explain to Anna below why her question is a conundrum and list off the controversies that I engaged myself in that needed engaging and gee, which for the most part, I won.
And as for being "bitter" of course I'm bitter that people from outside my province have created a blatantly biased and distorted version of its social history, while engaging in personal attacks in the course of preventing me from adding balance and/or arguing for it. @JimboWales: please take note of all this; the harrassment I have received here is a violation of behavioural guidelines in the course of retrenching a violation - a very blatant violation - of WP:NPOV. I'm not insane, and I'm not stupid either; hilarious that V. 's barntar for me had been, in part, for 'calling a spade a spade'; but when the shit was on his own shovel, he/she turned nasty. Or is he/she on your payroll too, as are Moonriddengirl and The Interior? Skookum1 (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- Please switch to a decaf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.0.13 (talk) 04:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Indefinitely blocked
Skookum1, I have indefinitely blocked you for immediately resuming battleground behavior against User:WhisperToMe upon your return from your block. Converting your block to indefinite or following with indefinite if the behavior continued was an option presented by several at the review of your prior block, where consensus was confirmed for that block. I'm sorry that it's necessary.
Content policy concerns do not trump behavioral policy concerns. (WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA are all policies.) It is not necessary to engage in battleground behavior to right wrongs; what is necessary is to demonstrate to other users that your content concerns are valid. If the user with whom you are disagreeing cannot be persuaded, dispute resolution is the way to go. If dispute resolution does not garner consensus to your view, you need to let it go.
I do not believe that you should be unblocked without some indication that you are willing to work very differently here. I realize that you are angry that those who have disagreed with your behavior have not also involved themselves in content, but as I noted to you in the past WP:INVOLVED does not permit this. There are many, many editors who can help tangle out the content issue if you are unblocked and will only engage without the personal attacks, unsupported allegations of impropriety and incivility that you have continued to lodge against WhisperToMe. --Moonriddengirl 12:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
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Smith's Landing First Nation
Hi Skookum!
I went to correct the formatting of the reserves within Smith's Landing (e.g., no curly apostrophes per the MOS), and found all sorts of contradictory spellings. Do you have a ref for the official orthography?
Please ping me if you answer.
Thanks — kwami (talk) 03:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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