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Thanks for taking a lead role on getting Money Heist to GA - I knew it was worthy of such after you got to it! Hope to see you back at it for part 4! :) Vaselineeeeeeee 00:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
- Well, thank YOU. I admit there are still a few spots in the article in terms of scope where I am not satisfied yet. (I knew beforehand it wouldn't be done by the end of the GAN review.) I'll keep working on it at my own pace for however long it takes, and I am certain I'll be back for part 4. – sgeureka 16:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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I actually started my wiki career long ago with some fiction fancruft. But these days I think wikia is a much better place for them. The problem with a 'universe of' type of article is that it should be properly referenced, and also discuss the real world significance (inspiration, impact, etc.). For example, I was surprised but Interstellar Network News is surprisingly good and may even stand on its own. But few other articles from that show have reference sufficient to be worth merging. As such, I'd rather prune most of them. If at some point someone wants to create a good article about the universe, they likely won't have much use for cruft we are deleting. It is also worth noting that Star Wars universe redirects to SW. SW is one of the most popular franchises, with a ton of fans, and they weren't able/willing to write a universe article. Star Trek universe - ditto. SG gets Mythology of Stargate, which I could nitpick, but there are indeed many low hanging fruits so I don't think this needs to be axed now (in the next 10 years, as things are going around here, hmmm). Interestingly, another famous fiction series, Tolkien's Middlearth, doesn't get a universe of article, but gets Outline of Middle-earth. Oh well, for now I will go and kick nest of ants and nominate something from that series for AfD. Maybe Sting (Middle-earth)... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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Leave me a note if you can
Hey, if possible and not too much of a hassle for you, I'd appreciate if you can leave me a note if you merge episodes back into the season/list pages. I've been working on cleaning and sorting episode redirects and I just noticed the Babylon 5 episodes were converted by seeing the template at TfD, and that specifically was a series I checked off my list so would not have seen it otherwise. Would appreciate it. Thanks! --Gonnym (talk) 19:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Sure, I don't merge many episode articles, but when I do, I do so en masse. Is there a WP site that explains the current best way to do so? I used {{R to TV episode list entry}} for B5, which was the preferred method 10 years ago, but things might have changed. – sgeureka 21:59, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've created a while back {{Television episode redirect handler}} which handles most scenarios and produces a consistent outcome (including handling of printworthy, double redirect, default sort and others). --Gonnym (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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B5 redirects
Wow, you went through almost all of them. Frankly, I'd think most of the main cast should be notable. Most of them have a chapter each in From Starship Captains to Galactic Rebels: Leaders in Science Fiction Television (see ). For Delenn/SI/LA, consider . Other sources: . I know I started this with going after the supporting characters, but I think for the main cast, an AfD would be appropriate (and I think I'd vote keep for some of them, actually). PS. I have rested 3-4 articles that I think may be notable and should at least to to AfD. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Well, I didn't merge them because they non-notable, but because after trimming for WP:WAF, there was no need for WP:SPINOUTs, and other reasons per WP:MERGEREASON. I noted these reasons in the edit summaries. I consider AfD-ing these main character articles a bad idea, because, as you said, they are notable, and I actually don't want them deleted (just merged for now). Anyone can resurrect these articles, but they should address the concerns that lead to the merger. – sgeureka 07:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Right, I've added a section on literary analysis and such to each article. This should help for now. I couldn't find anything for others, so they should stay merged until someone digs out more sources... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: I am preparing the merge proposals for all character articles now. The main issue that I have is that the articles are 95% exceeeeeeesively long plot summaries. – sgeureka 08:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Feel free to ping me for any relevant merge, but I think the 4-5 ones that survive right now can stay. Sure, they are totally unbalanced with regards to plot vs analysis, but that's probably ok... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: I created a discussion at Talk:List_of_Babylon_5_characters#Merging_all_main_character_articles_here where I laid out all my arguments in favor of a merger. We can continue the discussion there. :-) – sgeureka 08:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Feel free to ping me for any relevant merge, but I think the 4-5 ones that survive right now can stay. Sure, they are totally unbalanced with regards to plot vs analysis, but that's probably ok... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: I am preparing the merge proposals for all character articles now. The main issue that I have is that the articles are 95% exceeeeeeesively long plot summaries. – sgeureka 08:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Right, I've added a section on literary analysis and such to each article. This should help for now. I couldn't find anything for others, so they should stay merged until someone digs out more sources... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Kull Warrior
Seems like something that should be prodded and deleted, unless you feel like merging and soft delete/redirecting first? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: That's the only SG article where I honestly don't know what to do, because there are some sourced production and design details that I'd hate to lose, but ultimately these warriors have been a 20-episode long plot contrivance. Technology in Stargate probably shouldn't have a WP article nowadays, and Mythology of Stargate and List of Stargate SG-1 characters don't really fit. Maybe merge to Stargate SG-1 (season 7)#Production? I'll probably deal with this article last, after I've dealt with the other SG articles. – sgeureka 13:37, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note to self: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kull Warrior ended shortly before my wiki return; I hadn't even noticed. – sgeureka 14:00, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Merged into List of Stargate SG-1 characters#Other alien recurring characters. This works well considering there are already several alien race sections, and although Kull Warrior aren't individuals, they can be considered characters rather technology. – sgeureka 15:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Minor places in Middle-earth (2nd nomination)
Thank you for providing a closing rationale at that AfD. Do you think we can also redirect in the same fashion two other articles I mention (and that are even more minor), i.e. Minor places in Beleriand and Minor places in Arda? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:53, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: I am aware that this was an AfD that might/will get used as a precedent for the future of other Tolkien-based location articles. Therefore, I'd like to wait a few days to see if my AfD closer gets challenged at WP:Deletion review. If it doesn't get challenged, other editors (not me) can surely redirect Tolkien-based location articles citing this AfD. If the redirects don't stick, start another AfD citing this AfD result. – sgeureka 09:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Direct link: Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2019 December 3#List of Forgotten Realms deities. – sgeureka 11:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
List of spacecraft in the Culture series
The spacecraft names, the ship names in the Culture series, are part of what makes the series of stories unique. They're obviously chosen with a good deal of care and gentle humour - can the list be reinstated? Mike Lacey, UK 22:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeLacey (talk • contribs)
- @MikeLacey: It was discussed and unanimously decided at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of spacecraft in the Culture series that wikipedia should not have an article/list on these ships. The list has found a new home at https://theculture.fandom.com/List_of_spacecraft_in_the_Culture_series though. – sgeureka 08:55, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Please reinstate the list. The Culture series is notable beyond a small fan base, the naming of it's minds contributes to its appeal and uniqueness and it's personally one of my most often referenced pages on wikipedia. The tracker and ad infested wiki of fandom is no replacement for it. Misplaced Pages just got poorer to me after reading up on the deletions going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.131.177.100 (talk) 11:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is WP:NOTWEBHOST for material found unsuitable for wikipedia, and as I already said above, the wikipedia community (not me!) decided this topic was unsuitable for WP. – sgeureka 12:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
After spending an hour trying to find out what happened to this page I am wondering why it doesn't show up as deleted in the deletion log or has the usual "Deleted Page" notice when opened through the various links that are still around on the internet (e.g. news.ycombinator.com has discussions about it, duckduckgo still finds it). Would it not be nicer for everyone if it was easier to find out what happened? (Note I am not trying to discuss why it was deleted or whether it should or should not be restored. I understand why it had to be deleted, even if it makes me sad.) Hn3000 (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- The log at List of spacecraft in the Culture series says it all. Apparently, User:Muboshgu moved the page history to User:Winter's Tulpa/List of spacecraft in the Culture series post-deletion, but I have neither knowledge nor interest in exactly why, but you could dig up the info on those users' talkpages. – sgeureka 22:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Nomination of List of starships in Stargate for deletion
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TV task forces
After cleaning up the categories, looking at Category:WikiProject Television descendant projects it seems that these are possible candidates to convert to TV task forces:
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject British television (similar to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Television/American television task force)
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Scottish television
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Canadian television
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Idol series
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject ITC Productions
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject NCIS
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Nickelodeon
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Television Stations
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Television Game Shows
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Top Model
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject The X Factor
What do you think? --Gonnym (talk) 19:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: My motivation to turn inactive TV WikiProjects into taskforces was to discourage the creation of more TV WPs >> creation of more in-universe fancruft articles under fanboy protection >> more to clean up five years down the road when the fans have moved on.
- With most of the your listed remaining WPs, I think fancruft will not be much of an issue, so there is not as much (imagined?) pressing need. However, there seemed to be a general interest in unifying more subprojects under the WP:TV header during my recent proposal, and I'd certainly support your proposal as well. I don't really see how anyone would oppose it; all WPs all inactive or low-interest. – sgeureka 22:06, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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Attribution for copied text
Regarding this edit: can you please provide attribution for the copied text, as described in Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages? Thanks very much! isaacl (talk) 18:06, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- I did exactly that. (quote: At minimum, this means providing an edit summary at the destination page – that is, the page into which the material is copied – stating that content was copied, together with a link to the source (copied-from) page, e.g. Copied content from page name; see that page's history for attribution.). – sgeureka 18:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- I'm used to seeing the actual text "see that page's history for attribution" in the edit summary in order to connect the dots for attribution purposes, though I appreciate one could infer it from your edit summary. I also am used to seeing the {{copied}} template being used, though I know it's additional work. Thanks for your quick reply. isaacl (talk) 02:14, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Documenting the history
Hello. This may sound like a crazy idea, but I was already partly thinking of this before your post at the WT:FICT discussion made me think of it a bit more seriously, but is there any easy way to document the history of fictional areas (like STARGATE and MIDDLE-EARTH) that were crufty but survived for ages and have a long history that could be documented? And would there be any interest in that (both from those who edit in such areas and those who might want to read about it in passing)? I suppose a starting point would be a list of articles, of deletion and merger discussions, and the start, middle and end points of various 'deletion' waves? I'd also be interested in tracking the editing activity and stats (e.g. number of editors, number of edits, number of years the articles existed). Page views might also be of interest. It would kind of feel like drawing a line under it, but maybe only in a rudimentary way as doing too much might in itself be a waste of time. But I do think it is important to document things in some way to prevent repetition of the same mistakes. The deletion discussions themselves only give some insight into that. Carcharoth (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- For Stargate, a good starting point for the notability/merge discussions are the talk pages of WP:STARGATE, starting at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stargate/Archive_9#WP:EPISODE, our guideline for articles on episodes in mid 2007. I made my first comments there shortly afterwards, and started or participated in many merge/redirection discussions, the most recent one in November 2019. Major changes are pretty well documented there, because I am that kind of person, but also because I like to protect my merge-work against "boo-hoo you haven't properly pre-discussed this so I'll revert you, you evil deletionist". Another approach is to look into Category:Stargate character redirects to lists, reviewing the redirects to the remaining SG articles (What links here >> Show redirects only), or looking for {{merged-from}} templates on talkpages (I used to be very thorough with this). – sgeureka 18:32, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reply. I will try and include Stargate article histories if I get back to this. Are you aware of other areas that might meet the criteria of: (a) being around for a long time; and (b) being fairly well organised? Carcharoth (talk) 11:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- A good starting point would be Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Television/Descendant WikiProjects and task forces, which lists projects for TV shows where editors joined in en.wiki's early days to improve the fiction coverage. If these projects were every well organized, I don't know. You'll either find their articles are a huge abandoned in-universe mess, or their articles are the average "main characters and seasons are the only spinouts we have" (either because the project never really took off, or cleanup has already happened). WP:SIMPSONS appears to be an outlier: they are still active, and have the necessary manpower, desire and notability to still produce decent stand-alone articles. (ETA: I only really work in the TV area and can't comment on other fiction areas.) – sgeureka 12:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reply. I will try and include Stargate article histories if I get back to this. Are you aware of other areas that might meet the criteria of: (a) being around for a long time; and (b) being fairly well organised? Carcharoth (talk) 11:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
re: Category:Fictional companies
The worst of both worlds, eh? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:19, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Your Seaquest characters clean up did more harm than good.
It didn’t list the main crew members who died and you placed Bourne, Deon, Strassi and Mason Freeman were adversaries. Also, Brody was main cast for season 2 and the first seven episodes of season 3, while “Causalities” can mean injury or death so “Fatalities” is a better word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.56.20.130 (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- WP:SOFIXIT. After all these years, the goal is to finally have a list that follows WP:WAF instead of WP:UNDUE WP:FANCRUFT. The few remaining errors (which happen in any cleanup attempts) can be spottet and fixed more easily also. Repeatedly reverting cleanup work, without addressing the underlying problem or being willing to work together, actually does more harm, as it discourages other editors to spend time on cleanup and thus leave an eternal mess around. – sgeureka 07:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Seaquest DSV Characters
I would like to add back the pages for the characters by season as well as the recurrings. It'll help show stuff like who lived and who died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riders&Rangers (talk • contribs) 17:15, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Riders&Rangers: Stand-alone character lists per season are completely unnecessary per precedent. If someone reestablishes them another time for this show, I'll run them through WP:Articles for deletion to get binding community-wide input, but it's almost certain they'll get deleted (or redirected). The in-universe status of characters can be covered in the main character list. How should that list look (format, content)? You can get some inspiration from character lists of other show, but keep WP:WAF and WP:MOSTV in mind, because those other character lists might also be poor and not serve well to draw from. Otherwise, go crazy, I have no vested interest in the main character list. I just think, with my years of wiki experience, that the current list is in a healthy state to continue further improvement from, rather then the poorly formatted list(s) that it was previously. – sgeureka 08:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
"Meet the Browns (TV sreies)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Money Heist characters
Check out my work here. If you are interested you can collaborate. --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- I used your work in Draft:List of Money Heist characters in the voice Professor (Money Heist). Thank you again. --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: Discussion continued at Talk:Money Heist#Scope of Characters and Casting sections. In short: I am interested in collaboration, but not for another week or two. – sgeureka 07:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006:@Vaselineeeeeeee: It's been almost a month since my last reply, and I want to be honest here and give some perspective. For the time being, simply the thought of editing wikipedia is too draining, and I need to conserve my energy for other things to not go nuts in these trying times. Money Heist is still high on my priority list, and I still want to work on its en.wiki coverage, but I need to wait until I feel like its fun again. I hope that the relaxed lockdown regulations will help with this, but of course I can't say for sure. Thank you. – sgeureka 07:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: Discussion continued at Talk:Money Heist#Scope of Characters and Casting sections. In short: I am interested in collaboration, but not for another week or two. – sgeureka 07:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Million Award for Money Heist
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Backlog
At Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements. Some stuff is getting relisted. We could use more comments from the experienced editors. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Category:Game of Thrones wars and battles has been nominated for deletion
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Stargate Program
Why did you delete the Stargate Program article? The article does not only write about the characters, it is a general view of the development of the Program. I think it is useful for a better understanding of the series and I think it should exist. Andypos (talk) 23:20, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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