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@Shhhnotsoloud: Are you sure? Tropical cyclones in 2006 is a DAB page, which may or may not someday be turned into a WP:BCA. For so long as it is not, this redirect is required per WP:INTDAB. Narky Blert (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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Please Review

Please Review and Accept the Article: Draft:R Nait Sapna RJ 07 (talk) 10:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sapna RJ 07: I don't review articles for creation. You need to go through the WP:AFC process. Narky Blert (talk) 10:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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Abhinetri

Dear Narky Blert! Can you rename from Abhinetri to Abhinetri (1970 film)? Thank you! --178.71.162.78 (talk) 08:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Bob Israel

The Bob Israel referenced here is not one of the Robert/Bob Israel subjects currently on the disambiguation page, which I have been largely curating. It appears that this particular Bob Israel is a jazz musician (part of a group called "Total Eclipse") in the Washington DC area who also has a tiny record label (First American) and is an event coordinator. I am not sure that he would merit a Misplaced Pages biography according to our notability standards. What do you think? I'd be happy to create his biography, if it's seen as important to include in the encyclopedia. - AppleBsTime (talk) 12:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@AppleBsTime: Good research! If you think he's wikinotable, go ahead and write the article (but I suspect you think he isn't). If you've got some citations, post them here if you like, and I'll give you my opinion.
If you don't think he's notable, the most helpful thing for our readers may be to remove the link, and to add an {{efn}} footnote by his name. You'd need to add a Notes section (with {{notelist}}) immediately above the non-existent References section. If you've got a WP:V citation or two tying him to the album, so much the better; you wouldn't have to prove notability, just the fact.
Mind you, I doubt that the album article itself (unsourced since 2006!) would survive WP:AFD, and that might be the simpler solution... (I see you've voted recently twice at AFD, and were right each time.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing that template and that cool AFD link with me! I keep learning more every day about nifty gadgets on Misplaced Pages. Sources for the "jazz" Bob Israel would be limited. There is an article from March 16, 1989 in The Evening Sun (Baltimore) about the "Blues Alley" nightclub, with many comments by Bob Israel, "marketing director" of Blues Alley. But the content is about Blues Alley, not about Mr. Israel. I note also that the only venue where "Bob Israel's Jazz Orchestra" and "Bob Israel's Big Band" ever seemed to land a gig was at Blues Alley. Other indications of limited reliable sources are this, this, this, and this. Nice enough guy, but "jamming with friends" is not material that builds a Misplaced Pages biography. I think I'll try an AFD on the Pamela Moore album, as it appears the original author of that page was a single-purpose editor, probably looking for a promotional boost in sales. - AppleBsTime (talk) 14:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
@AppleBsTime: I've looked at those citations (bar #1, which needs a subscription) and agree with the whole of your assessment - more about the club than about him, local musician, probably good for a fun evening out, but not wikinotable.
I collect handy-looking WikiGadgets.
If you're thinking of posting at WP:AFD, make sure to do a WP:BEFORE search. Two or three pages of a search should be enough. I suspect that for a never re-released album there won't be anything, but you never know; I've saved a couple of articles about Bollywood films which I was angling to delete by finding a review or two, and adding them.
Notability standards were lower in WP's early days, there are some very thin articles still around. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
And now I realize in my haste that I mistook "Washington DC" for "Washington state", so the "Bob Israel" on First American records' smash-hit album "Take a Look" is not even the Bob Israel of Blues Alley. - AppleBsTime (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
After further thought, if Pamela Moore is to be considered a notable musician (and I think that is not in question), it's important enough that her first recorded album be included in Misplaced Pages. So, that meant referencing it, not nominating it for deletion. I guess deep down, I am an "Inclusionist". - AppleBsTime (talk) 15:34, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
@AppleBsTime: As an inclusionist myself, I approve of WP:RESCUE-type work. Narky Blert (talk) 15:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding disambiguation

Hi, I have noticed that you edited Amanat's disambiguation page Amanat Ali but here is that article which you need to see and add this to the disambiguation page of Amanat's ali Draft:Amanat_Ali_(born_1987) and kindly remove born 1987 when you move the page.

There are four Amanat Ali in Pakistan in which two are dead and two are alive, and all four are from the musician's family. --103.12.122.136 (talk) 11:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

It can't be added to the DAB page while it's still a draft. Add it to the DAB page only when it's in mainspace. Narky Blert (talk) 11:30, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I understand Narky but can this be remove (born 1987)? it should be empty.

--103.12.122.136 (talk) 11:50, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Because there's more than one Amanat Ali, the title needs a disambiguator (as Robert McClenon has already pointed out). The other three are all singers as well, and the one in draft has no third element to his name; so his birth year does look the best way of doing it. It's what I'd do. Narky Blert (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Dharti

Dear Narky Blert! Can you rename from Dharti to Dharti (1970 film) and from Kranti to Kranti (1981 film)? Thank you! --178.71.162.78 (talk) 13:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Rotary joint

Re , the rotary joint in this case carries two compressed helium lines and an electrical signal, so it's partly like a slip ring and partly something that we don't seem to cover here. I'm not sure how to resolve that! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:27, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: That's what it looked like to me, though I couldn't visualise the gas line element (especially a dual one). Is it something like a Ground glass joint#Ball-and-socket joints? (I had to google for those, the hatnote on ball-and-socket joint was misleading.) Those allow some flexion, but I can envisage metal or plastics versions which would enable full rotation as well. Helium is tricky to contain, so the seal would have to be good. Or is there only partial rotation, when a pair of flexible pipes would work (twist not a problem)? If we don't have an article, an inline or {{efn}} footnoted explanation (ideally with a citation which includes a drawing) may be the most helpful thing for readers. Narky Blert (talk) 04:36, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
It's continuous rotation. It's described in (in particular see Fig. 9), and is manufactured by (in Japanese). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: It's only a small (though essential) bit of the whole device. How about something like "a specialised rotary seal, combining an O-ring seal for the gas connection and a slip ring for the electrical one"? I'm looking for wording which most readers can just pass over thinking "OK, got it" without being sidetracked.
(I remember an edit I made, a couple of years ago, about a video game which used an advanced computer graphics technique. I could have linked to a highly technical WP article; but decided that all the average reader would want was a brief layman's description of how those clever shadow effects were produced.) Narky Blert (talk) 20:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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A brownie for you!

Your edit on Comme des Garçons is appreciated, thanks! EraKook (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@EraKook: It's the sort of things us WikiGnomes do; and looking at your contribution history, you seem to be doing a fair bit of gnoming yourself. Narky Blert (talk) 12:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Windows on ARM

You write "Links to DAB pages are errors per WP:INTDAB" while it actually says "are typically errors". Yes, it also states "the community has adopted the procedure of rerouting all" (because of some issues, also affecting you?), but it seems this is a very good exception. Windows on ARM is not likely to mean something completely different, and I actually mean it to apply to both current uses (and all I could foresee added there, in case we get Windows 11...). I do see "The exceptions, when an intentional link to a disambiguation page is appropriate", but not sure I can follow it like "Windows on ARM (see the source here). What bad effects are for keeping as I did? It's not clear to me how to follow WP:HOWTODAB. Maybe it's a case of WP:Ignore all rules. comp.arch (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

A stalker writes: @Comp.arch: WP:HOWTODAB is about deliberately linking to a disambiguation page when referring to all or many of its entries together, e.g. The word Mercury has many meanings. However, Julia (programming language) has one specific meaning, which I think from the context is Windows 10 on AArch64. We don't have an article on that exact topic. The nearest I can find is Windows 10 Mobile or perhaps Windows RT#Successors. Certes (talk) 18:16, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
I was deliberately linking to Windows on ARM (not at first, but later with my revert). If the context had been "Windows 10 on AArch64" (only) then yes, you're right (but there's no good single link for that). I wasn't liking saying it was explicitly supported, on the opposite, I was saying it, and any Windows on ARM wasn't supported. comp.arch (talk) 18:22, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
@Comp.arch: Is Windows on ARM a big enough topic for a {{bca}}, or for a section in some article or other? It wouldn't need to be very long, and a paragraph or two could be much more informative to readers (such as me, I still don't know what it is) than a DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 18:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
I was going by ref 112, which specifically mentions ARM64 and AArch64. However, I expect you're right that Windows RT on ARM32 (and plenty of other combinations) won't support Julia either. Do we even need to mention unsupported platforms at all? Certes (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
I felt it needed to mention Mac transition to Apple Silicon at the Julia article (and just mentioned Windows as a side-note), even if not explicitly supported, yet. Since it probably will be in the recent future. Also it's not only about what's explicitly supported, but what can be supported, and Windows probably can just as well (you can compile from source for ARM, I'm guessing for Windows too, and binaries provided for Linux). While Apple has such a page, it might be too soon for Microsoft, their implementation doesn't seem as good, and the (long-term) plan isn't there to ditch Intel. But I can very well see that article expanded, at least to a stub (would fix our problem) or moved to List of Microsoft Windows versions (and Windows on ARM made a redirect). To be fair, when I think about it, Windows Phone 7 (all Phone my now discontinued) only ever supported ARM, so for that it's a major implicit feature. I wouldn't make a big deal of it yet for desktop Windows, there's not even a separate Windows on Itanium or for PowerPC or Alpha chips, also once supported. comp.arch (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
@Comp.arch: I like well-written stub articles. Narky Blert (talk) 20:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry

I thought my DAB link was OK when commented, having (possibly mis)remembered someone telling me that, and I reverted before reading the rule you linked to. I'll have another look tomorrow and work out how best to address it, being too tired now. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:30, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

(I made the mistake of looking at the latest notification first!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Laterthanyouthink: No worries, we've all done worse! (And I've come across 10-year editors and admins who didn't know that rule.) Narky Blert (talk) 12:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing those, and for your gracious response. I was so tired last night (not to mention sick of the long and winding editing road that those breweries and Lion took me on for several days!) that I initially thought you'd just undone it because you thought I hadn't intended to link to the DAB page. Now that I have properly read and understood the rule, I will remember it in future (I hope). Thanks for all of the excellent work you do, and happy holidays Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
@Laterthanyouthink: Topics with messy sources can be both frustrating and satisfying, and you did a lot of work on those three breweries. BTW, I approve of your hidden "intentional" note; I have one I use in a boilerplate file. Happy Holidays to you too! Narky Blert (talk) 07:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Drum, California (disambiguation)

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@Hog Farm: Drum, Nevada County, California was listed in {{Nevada County, California}} until I just took it out. That's cleared the links-in (there were over 50). It would be worth checking to see if any other of those deleted California backlots are in templates or have other links-in.
I've WP:ROBIN swapped Drum, Placer County, California and Drum, California per WP:PRECISE. Let me know if any other of these deletions results in a redundant DAB page, and I'll be happy to do the same.
Compliments of the Season. Narky Blert (talk) 08:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Oneupsmanship: This painting turned the friendly rivalry between Edward Redfield and Elmer Schofield into
a feud. Schofield was a frequent houseguest at Redfield's farm, upstream from New Hope, Pennsylvania,
and the two would go out painting together, competing to capture the better view. Redfield served on the jury
for the 1904 Annual Exhibition of the Carnegie Institute; at which, despite Redfield's opposition, Across the
River was awarded the Gold Medal and $1,500 prize. It was not until a 1963 interview that the 93-year-old
Redfield revealed the painting as the cause of the 40-year feud between them. Schofield may have painted it
in England, but a blindsided Redfield knew that this was a view of the Delaware River, from his own front yard!
@BoringHistoryGuy: I can't better that pic! There are, unfortunately, plenty of mistakes - not only in WP - to keep us all occupied for a looong time. I'm currently struggling with the biography of a minor, but notable, C18 composer; whose entry in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (the gold standard secondary WP:RS for classical music) says he was "not a society man". Well, I have a baron and a count nearer to his time who say exactly the opposite. The Law of Holes does not apply. Narky Blert (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I've had some experience with challenging authorities that refused to correct things, even after presented with evidence that proved them wrong. I knew the adage, but never heard it called "Law of Holes." I like it. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

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Thank you for your continued service adding to Misplaced Pages throughout 2020. - Cdjp1 (talk) 19:24, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
@Cdjp1: Thank you, and a Happy New Year! Just to think, it's only four days until we turn over a page and start this all over again... Narky Blert (talk) 19:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Voting for "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" closing

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Misplaced Pages is not therapy

Dear Narky Blert

Thank you for that link. I had not seen that essay before. As it says, Misplaced Pages: Misplaced Pages is not therapy. That being true, therapy in the form of providing at least a modicum of purpose and meaning is in the eye of the beholder. As is equally, I suppose, disruptive behaviour. That said, I was surprised to be accused of wiki-lawyering. It seems to me that WP policies and essays are OK to rely on when explaining why some actions should not be taken, but relying on such policies and essays to explain why an action was taken is seen as wiki-lawyering. I have also been surprised that essays which are not part of WP policy and have not been vetted by the community are referred to as if they have some kind of quasi-policy status. I know of only one exception, and that is WP:BRD, which I was recently surprised to see is only an essay rather than WP policy. Even so, BRD seems to have become custom and practice.

I wanted to say this as politely as I could rather than having it floating through my head, for the next six months.

thank you, René aka Sandbh (talk) 00:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

What to do when the source itself is ambiguous?

At The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth, you added a dab-needed tag to an internal link to Diospolis. Now I'm not sure what to do. I did realise at the time I added the link that I was linking to a disambiguation page, which I did because the source used only refers to "Diospolis", without disambiguating which Diospolis is meant. From the context, it's clear that it's supposed to be a Diospolis in Egypt, but still there were two cities with that name in ancient Egypt (Diospolis Magna and Diospolis Parva).

Now someone with more knowledge than me about ancient Egypt might know which Diospolis was meant, so it would make sense to leave the dab-needed tag on the page. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this is what the tag is normally used for, neither whether future wiki users would understand what is expected from them. Other options are to remove the wiki-link itself, or to link to the disambiguation page in the proper way (by using something like ]<!--DAB link is intentional, source is ambiguous over which Diospolis is meant--!>, as I've just learned).

What should I do in cases like this? I'm relatively new here, but given the nature of the materials which I work on, I suspect that I will be confronted with this kind of thing relatively often. Apaugasma (talk) 19:07, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Apaugasma: Good question! I'd already bookmarked that one for possible attention by WP:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome in case someone there knows for sure. (They're really really good. I was astonished that anyone could confidently solve this problem - Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome#A link to a DAB page.)
What I do when I've decided that it will likely forever be impossible to determine exactly which place is meant, is to add an {{efn}} footnote something like. "The source says FizBuz, but that could mean either FizBuz (north) or FizBuz (south)". No WP:OR, and it shows that an editor has had a good hard look at the problem, and readers learn that it's unsolved and possibly insoluble.
I've used that technique in particular for English birthplaces when there are two villages less than a mile or so apart, locations of air combats in WWI and WWII where even the war diaries of the units would be unlikely to help, and birthplaces of the ancestors of Jewish emigrés from e.g. Poland or Belarus where many villages have the same name and it's highly unlikely that any records have survived. Narky Blert (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
(PS - my money's on Thebes, but I can't say so or even suggest it in WP's voice.) Narky Blert (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I like this footnote idea, but would leave the ambiguous term unlinked altogether and just have the footnote say: "The source does not specify whether this is FizBuz (north) or FizBuz (south)". BD2412 T 20:24, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
It depends. If someone was born in 1200 AD in FizBuz, I will confidently assert that it was none of the places in USA with that name. If an air ace won a victory in France in 1915, I will link to the DAB page noting the unlikelihood that it took place in Brittany while linking in particular to the places where IMO (WP:OR...) military logic says it could have taken place. Narky Blert (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Dear Narky Blert and BD2412: Many thanks for the input! Thanks a lot also for alerting me to the existence of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome (I too would have been able to answer your query about Philo and Zeno, so I will definitely add this page to my watchlist).
What I've ended up doing is what I should perhaps have done in the first place: do some extra research. It turns out that even the editor of the English Nag Hammadi translations isn't sure whether the Hermetic treatise is referring to Diospolis Magna or Diospolis Parva (and, moreover, that he wrote this in a passage which I had actually read the first time, and even cited), so it seems that it is fundamentally unclear (as these things often are). I've added an explanatory footnote as suggested, but with the added bonus of a reference. Apaugasma (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@Apaugasma: Excellent!
If you ever need them, both DGRBM and DGRG are available online at archive.org - old, but solid scholarship, and well-referenced. Narky Blert (talk) 03:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Another for your collection, but well earned

The Disambiguator's Barnstar
The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators.
Aside from your general prolificness, I wanted to call out the comments I see you adding after dn tags. The rest of us do some investigation, hit a dead-end, and just throw that effort away, leaving a glaring dn sitting there unadorned. It's nice to see you putting forth the effort to help those that follow (at the very least to not repeat the same research), and hopefully it can inspire the rest of us to do the same. -- Fyrael (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@Fyrael: Thank you! I'm know I'm not the only one - I've cleared {{dn}} tags where I'd just about made up my mind but wasn't really sure - until I opened the page to edit it and found that another editor had reached the same tentative conclusion. Two of us? this may be a time to be WP:BOLD! And, as you suggest, a hint may be all the next passing DABfixer needs to get the job done. (Even a {{dn}} tag can do that; I remember once tagging a dozen articles about college football; next day, all had been cleared.)
They can also be aides-memoires to self for the next time through - you've already looked at this, and failed (or, got this far, if you feel like having another go).
They can also have the hidden agenda - is there any real chance of notability here? feel free to unlink. Narky Blert (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

WP 20

Thank you for good wishes! - Happy Misplaced Pages 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Anniversary

Vicennalia
Thanks for all your work for the encyclopaedia; it's twenty years old today! GPinkerton (talk) 19:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Kurds and Kurdistan case opened

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Erich Kunzel

The Amen! album was a Grammy nominee. Perhaps the more extensive credits should be shifted to its own page? Does being nominated for a Grammy automatically make it notable enough for its own page? --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 06:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Scottandrewhutchins: A Grammy nomination puts it in with a fighting chance - see WP:NALBUM#4. That guideline says such albums may be notable, but doesn't guarantee it. I'd want to see a couple of reviews as well (which it almost surely had - nominations don't come out of thin air). Narky Blert (talk) 08:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

January 2021

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject Bluelink patrol

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@Liz: Please treat this as a {{db-author}} speedy. The capitalisation of "p" in "WikiProject" is incorrect. The correct version of the cat is Category:Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Bluelink patrol, which is populated. This page was most likely the result of a bad save while I was setting up a nest of categories yesterday. Narky Blert (talk) 16:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Should we move that to Category:WikiProject Bluelink patrol? Most similar categories don't contain "Misplaced Pages:". Certes (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
@Certes: I saw your comment at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Bluelink patrol#Gone live. The moves won't be difficult, but I'm giving it a day or so until any accidental garbage such as this is cleaned up. Creating a group of new related cats is, fiddly. Narky Blert (talk) 17:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Pending changes protection

I've been thinking about your proposal on ANI for pending changes protection on mainpage articles, and I think this really has potential. Would you be interested in bringing it to the idea lab? Pinging @Hemiauchenia and @TheDragonFire300, who were also in favour. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet: Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Pending-changes protection of Today's featured article. Narky Blert (talk) 10:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Disabled filter 1010

(also @Certes:) Hey, Narky Blert. From the looks of the log, the "irrelevant linker" is inactive, so I've disabled filter 1010 (hist · log). If they show up again, let me know, and I'll switch it back on. The true positive from October was in the same range they used earlier, Special:Contribs/240f:ca:ea:1/64, a block might be more effective anyway. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1054#IP editors breaking links in Indian film-related lists (Part 3) for the most recent cliff-hanging edge-of-the-seat update. There's no point in keeping a filter running if it's catching nothing. If this nuisance reappears, it should show up (as I now know) in Category:Pages with excessive dablinks (which I refresh daily, or try to). Its signature style is inscribed on a parchment which I keep under my pillow. Should I come across it again, I'll be (as they say) back. Narky Blert (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. I agree that there's no point in running a filter which catches nothing, but let's keep it around (disabled) in case we need it or a modified version again later. The Indian film vandal is different from "irrelevant linker". I suspect that for some (probably good-faith) reason they replace the section by a list compiled by taking film names from a (probably reliable) source and mechanically adding square brackets, without understanding that not every article can have its ideal title. Certes (talk) 00:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted at the open Kurds and Kurdistan case

In the open Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case, the proposed decision has now been posted. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. You were notified as you made comments in the case request. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 16:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dreamy Jazz: My sole contribution to this case is accurately reflected in WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan/Proposed decision#National and territorial disputes, and I have nothing to add. For the rest, I can do no better than draw ARBCOM's attention to "Well as, one judge said to the other, 'Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary'" in William S. Burroughs' notorious novel Naked Lunch. Narky Blert (talk) 18:37, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Schmidt-Lademann House disambiguation needed

Dear Narky, I am not quite sure how your comment https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Schmidt-Lademann_House&diff=next&oldid=1007307983 can be resolved. The original source only mentions: "the whole floor is covered with blackbutt mosaic tiles". The exact Eucalyptus type is not specified. Blackbutt parquettry is a quite common notion usually without specifically mentioning the exact wood type. Therefor the original article probably also did not mention the exact wood type. Please give a hint, how you think this should be resolved. Thanks Frank-Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.93.182.177 (talk) 13:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me, and so quickly. I suspected that that might be the case, and have solved the problem using an editorial footnote. No guesswork needed. Narky Blert (talk) 14:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan closed

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Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan closed

XIIIfromTokyo

Hello, I am writing to you because you were the one speaking French in the Guy Macon's ANI topic, and because Drmies asked me not to write in the current ANI topic. I just had a look to the global contribution link XIII gives in the ANI and I ended up on a conversation name "the pedophilia conspiracy in Sciences Po" on the French Misplaced Pages : https://fr.wikipedia.org/search/?diff=180233351#Le_complot_p%C3%A9dophile_de_Sciences-Po . You can see by yourself the misrepresentation of the truth he is giving, most of the contributors do not really understand his point of view anyway. He is saying that a false pedophilia conspiracy theory is being put in the article with sources like Gala and that he wants to alert the English WP of this because it could look bad if journalists see it (one is telling him that Gala is nowhere to be found in the sources ; they tell him to write on the English help desk, but he says he tried with no outcome, not mentioning of course the current ANI, but anyway).

I noticed one point though: he is asking several times, and it is the aim of the topic, if somebody would know the personal contact information of WP English administrators ("est-ce qu'une personne fréquentant le bistro aurait un bon contact avec du coté des Administrators de la version anglaise ?" "Donc si quelqu'un a un contact d'Administrator à qui refiler le bébé, je prends." – administrator is in English "je demande... le contact...").

(Redacted) I thought you might want to know he is trying to privately discuss the matter with English Misplaced Pages admins. Best wishes.

--Delfield (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Delfield: IMO Drmies gave you good advice in WP:ANI#XIIIfromTokyo, and you are right to follow it. You've made your points for everyone to read. There's no value in repeating them. I plan to stay out of that discussion from now on unless someone proposes a vote.
If XIII wants to contact an English WP admin, Talk Pages and emails are available. The other editors who posted in that French WP thread seem well aware that enwiki and frwiki are entirely separate. No-one seems to have responded to the suggestion of involving le service juridique, and I suspect a trace of le second degré in Thibaut's post.
The comment les anglo-saxons relatant les choses de façon moins édulcorées que les francophones made me chuckle. French lawyers are accustomed to sign off letters containing blood-curdling threats of legal action with Soyez assuré de mes sentiments les plus distingués.
Should you suspect that my posts in that ANI thread were designed to provoke a reaction, with a good idea as to what it might be, you could well be right. Narky Blert (talk) 21:18, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Ok :-). --Delfield (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I think XIIIfromTokyo is using over and over that common trick of politicians: to answer about a scandal about you, appear shocked and make a scandal about the question about the scandal so that the other one has to explain himself and the subject becomes the other people's question or comment. But I am not answering or interacting with him at all now, and it seems admins are seeing it. Best wishes. --Delfield (talk) 08:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration Case Opened

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Siadn

Of course, you already knew everything I wrote at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 February 28#Template:Misplaced Pages disambiguation. However, it may be attended by editors who know more about templates than they do about disambiguation. Whatever happens to {{Siadn}}, I just wanted to clarify that {{Disambiguation}} can't replace it (though {{Dn}} might). Certes (talk) 15:53, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Templates are such a good idea that it's important to have as many fine distinctions as possible. See Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 15#Template:R from alternative hyphenation and Template:R from alternative punctuation just below it. Who cares if they're improperly or inconsistently used, or require guesswork?
It's probably too late to add siadn to that discussion, and I don't intend to try. I mentioned it for completeness (assuming there are no other disambiguation templates no-one knows about).
In my experience, discussions about disambiguation (except at WT:DAB and WT:DPL) are always attended by editors who know nothing about the subject and won't see the problem. Narky Blert (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Citizenship

You right of course. It might work for England, Scotland and Wales, but would fall flat on its face in NI. (I thought continuing to reply at ANI was unproductive) 92.3.131.156 (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

The whole topic is full of agenda-pushing, including historically, and not just in UK. The Balkans and the Near East can be as bad. Narky Blert (talk) 08:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Roud Folk Song Index songs has been nominated for deletion

Category:Roud Folk Song Index songs has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 00:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Goalkeeper

Not a problem; I wasn't even aware such a request had been made, I saw a link being fixed on one of my watchlisted pages and though "I bet there's loads" and turns out here was! GiantSnowman 12:58, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Most readers will just pass straight over links like that; but readers who don't know a particular game will be best helped by the most specific bluelink we have. Narky Blert (talk) 13:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
If there's any more soccer-related cases like this let me know, more than happy to help where I can. GiantSnowman 15:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
We also have Penalty shootout and Referee, plus several where the primary topic isn't sporting: Cap, Captain, Manager, Wing, Left wing and Right wing. I fixed about 600 articles in September 2018 but plenty of later additions may have potential for improvement. Certes (talk) 16:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Five-eighth yielded two easy bad links and one impossible one. Narky Blert (talk) 17:47, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Help requested at WT:WikiProject Rugby union#Five-eighth. Narky Blert (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Back is already on my daily check. Plurals may be of interest: I just fixed Backs and Captains, but Wings may be interesting, (if only for Paul McCartney). Certes (talk) 18:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Just the one good album IMAO. Narky Blert (talk) 18:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Plural Wings done: one McCartney and one aircrew brevet. Another is about eating turkey wings, but turkey wing leads elsewhere so I left it. Plural Managers also done: just the one football reference. Am I the only one who finds it hard to glean what sport an article is about without looking at its categories? Certes (talk) 23:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Procedural close per WP:TRAINWRECK

Please note that the AFDs for various canal locks are all separate — as the nominator says, links are provided for convenience, but each one's nominated separately, so TRAINWRECK doesn't apply. Nyttend backup (talk) 15:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

GENUKI

Is there a convincing reason to create a special "Futher reading" section for GENUKI in settlement articles, rather than use the "External links" section? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: It could go just as well in EL. Narky Blert (talk) 09:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Good because I guess you saw that I've already shot first and asked questions later. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

As a multi-lingual Misplaced Pages

Good afternoon In case I got the name wrong this is a message for Narky Beart Nyttend backup (talk Is there any reason why the performance credits on German Misplaced Pages`s entry for Angelique Rockas https://de.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Angelique_Rockas&action=edit&section=2 cannot be transferred to the English Misplaced Pages? Is there a possibility for you to do this ? There are production photographs on this artist`s page without any text? It is restricted to Wikipedians with over 500 edits. Thank you IP Address provided {195.191.67.225 (talk) 13:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)}

Slightly messy (the first link I checked in the English article failed verification; but I've found a replacement) - I'll look into it. Narky Blert (talk) 13:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. There is also material on https://es.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Angelique_Rockas&action=edit&section=2 I noticed you have some knowledge of Spanish. IP Address {195.191.67.225 (talk)} — Preceding undated comment added 14:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive

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Claudia Pulchra

I just now realized, you own source supported my position that there was only one person of that name. Your timely and ill-conceived intervention has now caused me a tremendous headache. Avilich (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Avilich: You orphaned the DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
No, I deleted it because it was unnecessary, and now there's someone attempting to undo everything because of you. Your a misleading comments in the talk page were just enough to cause a general confusion. Avilich (talk) 21:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
@Avilich: You deleted it without taking it to WP:AFD. That's why three editors including myself have reverted you. Narky Blert (talk) 06:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Don't pretend to be in favor of a discussion: you refused to discuss the subject on the talk page after I encouraged you to, and your only contribution was a source which supported my position all along. The other two who reverted me were only doing so because they thought you had a valid position to begin with; they had no personal objections of their own either. This is nothing more than pointless obstruction. You're still free to offer more arguments in support ofyour position in the talk page: but you won't do that, will you?
With regards to your most recent restoration I shouldn't need to tell you that disambiguation pages are only supposed to list articles with the same title. Avilich (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@Avilich: Not true. I expressly quoted WP:DABMENTION - "If a topic does not have an article of its own, but is mentioned within another article, then a link to that article may be included if it would provide value to the reader." I've seen valid DAB pages which contained no links at all matching the page title. Narky Blert (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
She is named Clodia, not Claudia Pulchra, and she does already have an article of her own, duh. Avilich (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@Avilich: Clodia Quadrantaria was born Claudia. Narky Blert (talk) 14:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Not "Claudia Pulchra". I ask you to check the sources I left in the talk page, and the source you yourself provided (DGRBM). Only the great-niece of Augustus was called Claudia Pulchra. Women in the ROman Republic did not have surnames. Avilich (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@Avilich: Please read the introductory paragraphs of MOS:DAB and WP:DAB. Narky Blert (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
There is already Claudia (disambiguation) and Claudia gens#Claudii Pulchri; any of these could be put as hatnotes on the article Claudia Pulchra. Why on earth does there need to be a Claudia Pulchra (disambiguation) when there is only one person of that name? Your own guidelines say that disambiguation pages are only for ambiguous search terms. A name borne by a single person is not ambiguous. Avilich (talk) 14:14, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Avilich: They aren't my guidelines, they're English Misplaced Pages's guidelines (which I had no part in shaping). Narky Blert (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)