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Archival

Yet again, you can find older talk in the archives. Thanks to everyone who supported me. --Elaragirl 02:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

You are back

• hugs* I am so glad to see that you are feeling better. Cheers! — Arjun 03:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, just heard that you were feeling well and now you're better. Glad you're feeling better. Bastiq▼e 03:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yay! Elaragirl is back! Time for the welcome back fiesta.....I will need some cake, ham, chicken, Hors d'œuvres, Chocolate fountain, a bowl of punch, and some fruits. =) Ed Reviews? 03:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I'm glad to see that you're back. Someone has to keep the inclusionists in check :) I'm glad you're feeling better, as well. Cheers, PTO 03:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

(hugs everyone) I'll be okay, I guess. Make sure you all pray for Kyoko. :) --Elaragirl 03:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back. I'll try to saymore later, but I just feel very drained right now. Thank you. --Kyoko 04:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Elaragirl! I'm glad to see that you've come back. I hope that your wikibreak enabled you to get some perspective both on Misplaced Pages and in real life. I'm not sure if I can do much else than send a standard packet of good will your way, but if there is, tell me :). I will try to pray for you and others. If I may quote from Walden,

Every morning was a cheerful invitation to make my life of equal simplicity, and I may say innocence, with Nature herself. I have been as sincere a worshipper of Aurora as the Greeks. I got up early and bathed in the pond; that was a religious exercise, and one of the best things which I did. They say that characters were engraven on the bathing tub of King Tchingthang to this effect: "Renew thyself completely each day; do it again, and again, and forever again."

Mmmmmm, sounds good to me. Find the means for refreshing yourself, Elara (if you don't have one already), and do it! :) Gracenotes § 04:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yay, she's back! Me jumps up and down with excitement. Hope RL is a bit better. Cheers, Moreschi 08:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I, too, am deeply joyed that you have returned. I hope your life has turned around for the better. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I could say some lame thing about being so happy that you're back, but I won't. I'll just say that I know those pains don't go away quickly, and that I'm here if you need someone to lean on. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Replying to your query

I haven't gone anywhere as of yet. However, until this situation is resolved, I will be restricting my editing to the Rfc and Arbcom. Once it is settled I will make a decision about remaining. And it was wonderful to see your name on my talk page. I hope things are improving for you now--you were in my thoughts. Jeffpw 11:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Tutorial

I've seen your deletion tutorial, it's very nice. Can I interest you in helping with rewriting/clearing up our actual policy and guideline pages? Several them are in dire need of a touchup. >Radiant< 12:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Teacup

Have you met Guy? I think you two might get on well together - you seem to have the same views on civility as applied to trolls, etc. David Mestel 09:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• Can we stop the pokes at JzG, already? He got kicked around enough on ANI. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 21:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• Wasn't meant to be a poke - just a light-hearted comment, and it certainly wasn't meant to be critical of his stance - just an observation that their views seem similar. I have the greatest respect for JzG. David Mestel 10:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Elara, I TOTALLY need to apply this policy to my user page. I am going through some drama of my own. Bearly541 00:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Back!

Welcome back, Elara. Good to see you around. God knows we need your wit here. DoomsDay349 03:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Elara

I'll email you:). Nina Odell 02:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

Thank you , CJ. :) --Elaragirl 03:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you're back.

So instead of fighting the hordes out there, you're deciding to engage them here? Good luck. (Personally I think the ones here are crazier. We're all loonies here.) ColourBurst 07:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Deletion

Hi. I have enlisted in your project.

Where can I read pages pertaining to deletion policy; specifically, the criteria for inclusion and deletion? Rintrah 09:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Your note

You're welcome. :-) SlimVirgin 09:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Your final and only warning

WP:Civil & WP:Assume good faith. Also, wikistalking just because you disagree with my AFD votes is not cool.Yzak Jule 10:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

AGF is not a suicide pact. ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 22:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to hear - :(

Sorry to hear you're not having a good time of it. Hope things perk up for you soon & you'll be back to your happy optimistic self. If you want to talk about anything, my user page is always open... :) Spawn Man 03:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope everything is settling down for you, on the exterior at least. My kindest sympathies. --lovelaughterlife♥ 05:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Direct-buried cable

Hi. Reference 2 in the article Direct-buried cable, which you created, seems to be wrong. Did you enter the wrong URL by mistake? This URL does not appear to support either of the referenced points.--Srleffler 05:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This is one of the reasons why it's a good idea to use the {{cite web}} and {{cite paper}} templates for references to documents found online. By filling in the template fields, you document what the webpage or pdf document was, and when you viewed it. That way if the content changes or goes offline, Misplaced Pages still has a valid reference, albeit to a source that is no longer available. Readers with an interest may be able to track down that reference elsewhere. (There is also {{cite book}} for books, and several other related templates.)--Srleffler 23:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Martial art question

Do you mind if I ask what martial art style you participate in? If you'd rather I ask by email let me know or, if you don't respond I'll take it that you'd rather not say. No problem either way. Cla68 06:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Your userpage template

I just read your template that reads "This is a Misplaced Pages user page. It's not an article. Don't cry." That really gave me a good laugh. Thanks for making my day so wonderful!--Ed Reviews? 22:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Be honest....

How long did it take you to get your userpage/talkpage to look so nice? It took me hours upon hours to get mine to look how it is, and it's just simple tables. :( .V. (talk) 05:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

re: that little pigsty of controversy at WP:DGAF

You rock. And what do I find, but you have very cool user pages, including your "i love me wall" (mine is still a box, including that nat-def-svc-spam-ribbon which I also have; I had to buy a new ribbon rack for that shit, do you believe it?) and your own very funny and candid "Elara:NOT" page. Which rocks more. You inspire me, shipmate. I must plagiariaze your creativity for my own pages, but not before applauding you and offering to do your dishes anytime you please. Just ask. Alpha Mike Foxtrot. David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 02:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see your back in full force

It's good to see you're back to your old ways. Put them in their place good, eh?. Hope you're feeling better, and all that. DoomsDay349 03:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I, too, am pleased to see things go back normal. I do hope you that you have gotten over everything and are feeling better now. Have a great day, Elara. ← ANAS 13:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

MySpace blogs of notable people

Despite WP:RS guideline being against blogs, that same guideline allows self-published sources to be included. Some notable people use their MySpace blogs as a way to announce important points in their career. As such, could a blog posting I described still be used as a reference? --w 06:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If I may also add a voice here, there are many times where MySpace blogs seems quite acceptable under WP:RS, both as Leon above states, and under the Primary source section. See Lillix (diff) for an example where MySpace blogs were used to convey information about the state of the band. In these cases, this was the only credible place where such information existed. I fail to see how an official resource of a band, such as their MySpace page, should be counted any differently than a website owned by them, or a press release issued by them. None of the information on any of these can be added to or changed by anyone except individuals involved with the band. I certainly agree with removing references and links to blogs from any random MySpace profile (and any random message board, etc), but an exception certainly should be made for bands, movies, politicians, etc...all of which are increasingly using MySpace rather than traditional websites to reach fans or a targeted audience. -- Huntster 09:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

My problem with the blog links I removed is that they were consistantly not used to state things that were encyclopedic. Misplaced Pages isn't a place, for example, to list who's going to be at a concert. Nor is it the place to state why one member of the band thinks another member of the band left. WP:RS is pretty clear that self-published sources are acceptible only when they are "relevant to the self-publisher's notability" and aren't used as secondary sources. I only did a 100 article run yesterday. About a fourth of the blog.myspace.com links I saw were properly used. A handful were questionable, but I left those. I removed things about album releases for one simple reason: if an album's release can't be documented by the record label, it's not verifiable. The record label releases it, not the band. And if the record isn't released with a record label, it's not notable. *shrugs* If there is a better source than a blog, you should use it and find it. For example, the band website lists all the same information (even if it is horrible to look at). So does this band website (which is even more eye turning, but hey). --Elaragirl 18:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I do see your point, however, in the article in question, only one (I believe) of those blog links were pertaining to release data. That can easily be referenced elsewhere, and I'll do so. However, the other links were data that cannot be obtained elsewhere (you'll notice the main website hasn't been updated in quite some time, not uncommon for a band that has broke up), so the blog is the best (and only) source. Also, I should note that the lillixuk.com website is, I believe, a fan site; however, I'm not in the best position to explore it at the moment (currently sitting in lecture, where this has taken 15 minutes to write :). In any case, I'm not sure how best to proceed, since the entire domain of MySpace blogs have been blacklisted, unless you are a meta admin and can whitelist these, or can point me to someone else who might do the job. -- Huntster 20:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Primary sources should only be used in rare occasions, as they undermine the integrity of wikipedia's sourcing. As such, including them usually does more harm than good. That is why blog.myspace.com was blacklisted. It was a primary source of the worst kind. Unverifiable, unreliable, and rife with bias. It should not be on Misplaced Pages, and higher up people than this lowly editor apparently think so too. Jimbo himself requested the blacklisting and as such, I do NOT see it being overturned. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 06:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

On a scale from one to awesome...

On a scale from one to awesome, you're pretty cool. In other non-sequitors, how do you smoke and run marathons? I mean, if there's some secret I should know, please do share. Not the quiet type 07:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion tables vs archiving

You may find this comment interesting; you did comment that inclusionism is an integral part of MediaWiki software. Have a nice day :) Gracenotes § 14:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Peloponnesian War as this week's WP:AID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week Peloponnesian War was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

Me and my CSD-ing

I'd like to think so. Not only that, I actually have Firefox bookmarks available to watch every speedy deletion category - particularly those which I am most used to dealing with. So I can see every single article on CSD in a certain category at the touch of a button.

Thanks for the compliment. Bobo. 02:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Problems with potential nationalist

Hi Elara. Remember me? Well, there is a user who removed huge part of Bosnian War article which was totally sourced by international courte judgements etc. I think it was classical provocation. The user is Ivan Kricancic and here is his contribution , Your advice? What should I do next? Regards. Emir Arven 02:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I was the one who reverted vandalism, whereas Emir Arven reverted back to a version which was unsourced/vandalized. And apart from that, it's quite ironic that Emir would call anyone a "nationalist", when it is quite clear from his/her contributions that Emir is a nationalist who blindly reverts other editors solely because they are a Serb or a Croat, and calls any edit that conflicts with his/her POV "vandalism. —KingIvan 02:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Bull shit. Anyone can see what happened. Emir Arven 03:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

That's right; anyone can see what happened. And they'll agree with what I said above. —KingIvan 03:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No they will not. Because I always provide the sources, unlike yourself who is provoking and insulting. You didn't read the article. So stop insulting my intelligence. If you have a problem with ethnic frustration this is not the right place for you. Emir Arven 03:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I do believe that you are the person provoking and insulting - coming to some ransom talk page and writing shit about me. Get a life. "Ethnic frustration" is caused by editors like yourself, who blindly revert on the basis of ethnicity, and who provoke other editors by suggesting they are involved in genocide.

P.S. How can I insult something that does not exist? —KingIvan 03:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry but this is not a hospital, I can't help you. And I came here to ask for an advice, not to discuss with you. This is the end of the discussion. Emir Arven 03:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Spread your shit on bs.wikipedia - on the en, we don't take crap! —KingIvan 03:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Elara is not a gangbang. Furthermore, Elara is not dispute resolution. It exists. Take your petty name-calling there. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 03:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)